---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 03/31/07: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:05 AM - Re: Tom Green (Dwight Frye) 2. 08:08 AM - Re: Tom Green (Hopperdhh@aol.com) 3. 09:12 AM - Re: Tom Green (Paul Besing) 4. 09:12 AM - Re: Tom Green (Paul Besing) 5. 10:27 AM - Re: Tom Green (Bob Collins) 6. 10:38 AM - Re: Tom Green (Bob Collins) 7. 03:26 PM - Re: Tom Green (Kyle Boatright) 8. 03:57 PM - Rudder Skin Crack (J. R. Dial) 9. 04:29 PM - Re: Not waiting on Bluemountain (Tracy Crook) 10. 05:13 PM - Re: Rudder Skin Crack (Kyle Boatright) 11. 05:33 PM - Re:Not waiting on Bluemountain (Tracy Crook) 12. 06:00 PM - Re: Tom Green (Bob Collins) 13. 06:07 PM - Re: Rudder Skin Crack (Charlie England) 14. 10:34 PM - Re: Re:Not waiting on Bluemountain (Paul Rice) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:05:16 AM PST US From: Dwight Frye Subject: Re: RV-List: Tom Green On Fri Mar 30 20:37:45 2007, Frank Stringham wrote : >I have also had great help from Gus, Scott, and Bruce. That is my list of favorites too. In particular Bruce has -always- gone out of his way to listen, to give me a straight story, to treat me and my problem with respect, and to even offer up alternatives I had not thought about. But all three have never been anything less that totally helpful and respectful. I am sure that there are other members of the Van's staff who also fall into the category of 'helpful and respectful' but it may be that the luck of the draw has not given me the opportunity to work with them. That being said ... there are others who, while I am sure are quite likely well-intentioned, don't fall into that category. I would stress that if you -do- have an unsatisfactory encounter don't just let it go ... call and ask for one of the three guys mentioned above, or talk to Tom Green. -- Dwight ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:08:11 AM PST US From: Hopperdhh@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Tom Green I know that the guys at Van's read this list, and I'll bet that they wish they were allowed to reply! Don't let all this go to your head Tom! Bruce, you are great to talk to. Van (or Tom?) should give you a raise! Service like this is what sells those airplane kits. I have also received very good advice from all of the guys at Van's. I can imagine that they get kind of tired of answering the same questions over and over, so it must take a lot of patience. After a long day of answering questions its easy to see why they may sometimes seem a little irritated. Hang in there you Van's guys. You have fantastic airplanes, and a wonderful group of builders and flyers. Thanks to all of you. do not archive Dan Hopper RV-7A -- flying since July 2004 ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:12:00 AM PST US From: Paul Besing Subject: Re: RV-List: Tom Green Besides the kit itself, this is one of the main reasons why Van's is one of the few to stay in business! Look at all the other companies...just about all of the big ones have gone through some sort of bankruptcy, reorganizations, at some point. I'll build another one someday..perhaps the twin engine RV? Paul Besing do not archive Dwight Frye wrote: On Fri Mar 30 20:37:45 2007, Frank Stringham wrote : >I have also had great help from Gus, Scott, and Bruce. That is my list of favorites too. In particular Bruce has -always- gone out of his way to listen, to give me a straight story, to treat me and my problem with respect, and to even offer up alternatives I had not thought about. But all three have never been anything less that totally helpful and respectful. I am sure that there are other members of the Van's staff who also fall into the category of 'helpful and respectful' but it may be that the luck of the draw has not given me the opportunity to work with them. That being said ... there are others who, while I am sure are quite likely well-intentioned, don't fall into that category. I would stress that if you -do- have an unsatisfactory encounter don't just let it go ... call and ask for one of the three guys mentioned above, or talk to Tom Green. -- Dwight --------------------------------- Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:12:05 AM PST US From: Paul Besing Subject: Re: RV-List: Tom Green Besides the kit itself, this is one of the main reasons why Van's is one of the few to stay in business! Look at all the other companies...just about all of the big ones have gone through some sort of bankruptcy, reorganizations, at some point. I'll build another one someday..perhaps the twin engine RV? Paul Besing do not archive Dwight Frye wrote: On Fri Mar 30 20:37:45 2007, Frank Stringham wrote : >I have also had great help from Gus, Scott, and Bruce. That is my list of favorites too. In particular Bruce has -always- gone out of his way to listen, to give me a straight story, to treat me and my problem with respect, and to even offer up alternatives I had not thought about. But all three have never been anything less that totally helpful and respectful. I am sure that there are other members of the Van's staff who also fall into the category of 'helpful and respectful' but it may be that the luck of the draw has not given me the opportunity to work with them. That being said ... there are others who, while I am sure are quite likely well-intentioned, don't fall into that category. I would stress that if you -do- have an unsatisfactory encounter don't just let it go ... call and ask for one of the three guys mentioned above, or talk to Tom Green. -- Dwight --------------------------------- TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:27:30 AM PST US From: "Bob Collins" Subject: RE: RV-List: Tom Green // I know that the guys at Van's read this list, and I'll bet that they wish they were allowed to reply! Really? Given the comments I've heard 'em make at the dinners and occasionally in the RV, it always seemed to me that no opportunity to disparage the Internet boards was often missed. (g) If it's true, by the way, they're not allowed to reply, isn't it time to take the chains off the poor guys? I see that Bruce occasionally posts on VAF, but it's 2007 and a Van's blog would really be a great idea. Do not archive ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:38:37 AM PST US From: "Bob Collins" Subject: RE: RV-List: Tom Green // I know that the guys at Van's read this list, and I'll bet that they wish they were allowed to reply! Really? Given the comments I've heard 'em make at the dinners and occasionally in the RV, it always seemed to me that no opportunity to disparage the Internet boards was often missed. (g) If it's true, by the way, they're not allowed to reply, isn't it time to take the chains off the poor guys? I see that Bruce occasionally posts on VAF, but it's 2007 and a Van's blog would really be a great idea. Do not archive ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:26:45 PM PST US From: "Kyle Boatright" Subject: Re: RV-List: Tom Green Bill Benedict used to post here, as did Scott McDaniels. I think both of them left because they got tired of being sniped at by people on the board. KB Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Collins To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 1:23 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Tom Green // I know that the guys at Van's read this list, and I'll bet that they wish they were allowed to reply! Really? Given the comments I've heard 'em make at the dinners and occasionally in the RV, it always seemed to me that no opportunity to disparage the Internet boards was often missed. (g) If it's true, by the way, they're not allowed to reply, isn't it time to take the chains off the poor guys? I see that Bruce occasionally posts on VAF, but it's 2007 and a Van's blog would really be a great idea. Do not archive ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:57:28 PM PST US From: "J. R. Dial" Subject: RV-List: Rudder Skin Crack I have a crack starting on the trailing edge of the rudder of my RV6. It is about 11=94 down from the top starting at the rivet and going back. It is about =BD=94 long. I have heard of this before but does somebody have a =93simple=94 repair for this. I looked in the archives but for some reason did not find anything. You can answer off list. Dick Dial jrdial@hal-pc.org DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:29:56 PM PST US From: "Tracy Crook" Subject: Re: RV-List:Not waiting on Bluemountain Since I inadvertently started this thread with my "Still waiting on Bluemountain" comment I thought it only fair that I say that the G4 EFIS did arrive and it is a impressive piece of work. Haven't flown it yet but everything appears to work on the bench and so far I can't confuse the HSI no matter how much I rock & roll the panel. It took awhile but I think Bluemountain is finally ready for prime time. The engine pod for the engine monitor is a marvel of installation simplicity but I miss the user calibration capability that the earlier models had. You are pretty much stuck using only BMA supplied sensors with the G4. Maybe they will relent and add this capability in a future software release. Disclaimer: I am not affiliated with BMA in any way other than as a customer. Tracy Crook RV-4 (steam gauge technology) RV-8 (BMA glass panel) http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:13:37 PM PST US From: "Kyle Boatright" Subject: Re: RV-List: Rudder Skin Crack Various outlets have what are called "click bond patches". I've never seen one, but my understanding is that they are small patches with a proprietary adhesive which can be used to create hardpoints for attaching hardware when there isn't a convenient spot. Also, they can be used for patches - internal and external. You should stop drill and deburr the end of the crack before you try the click bond patch. Here's a link to one product that might work: http://www.theflightshop.com/ClickBond/Menu_Click_Patches.php KB ----- Original Message ----- From: J. R. Dial To: RV-List Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 6:54 PM Subject: RV-List: Rudder Skin Crack I have a crack starting on the trailing edge of the rudder of my RV6. It is about 11" down from the top starting at the rivet and going back. It is about =BD" long. I have heard of this before but does somebody have a "simple" repair for this. I looked in the archives but for some reason did not find anything. You can answer off list. Dick Dial jrdial@hal-pc.org DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:33:45 PM PST US From: "Tracy Crook" Subject: RV-List: Re:Not waiting on Bluemountain Should have said "can't confuse the artificial horizon" in that last message. The HSI is mainly driven by the magnetometer when on the bench. The earths' magnetic field is pretty stable no matter what you do. Tracy ----- Original Message ----- From: Tracy Crook To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 7:25 PM Subject: Re: RV-List:Not waiting on Bluemountain Since I inadvertently started this thread with my "Still waiting on Bluemountain" comment I thought it only fair that I say that the G4 EFIS did arrive and it is a impressive piece of work. Haven't flown it yet but everything appears to work on the bench and so far I can't confuse the HSI no matter how much I rock & roll the panel. It took awhile but I think Bluemountain is finally ready for prime time. The engine pod for the engine monitor is a marvel of installation simplicity but I miss the user calibration capability that the earlier models had. You are pretty much stuck using only BMA supplied sensors with the G4. Maybe they will relent and add this capability in a future software release. Disclaimer: I am not affiliated with BMA in any way other than as a customer. Tracy Crook RV-4 (steam gauge technology) RV-8 (BMA glass panel) http://www.matronics.nbsp; available via title=http://forums.matronics.com/ href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:00:12 PM PST US From: "Bob Collins" Subject: RE: RV-List: Tom Green All the better to host their own blog. Moderate the comments, share the information . No sniping allowed. I think it would work do not archive _____ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kyle Boatright Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 5:25 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Tom Green Bill Benedict used to post here, as did Scott McDaniels. I think both of them left because they got tired of being sniped at by people on the board. KB Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Collins Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 1:23 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Tom Green // I know that the guys at Van's read this list, and I'll bet that they wish they were allowed to reply! Really? Given the comments I've heard 'em make at the dinners and occasionally in the RV, it always seemed to me that no opportunity to disparage the Internet boards was often missed. (g) If it's true, by the way, they're not allowed to reply, isn't it time to take the chains off the poor guys? I see that Bruce occasionally posts on VAF, but it's 2007 and a Van's blog would really be a great idea. Do not archive href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/N avigator?RV-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:07:11 PM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Re: RV-List: Rudder Skin Crack J. R. Dial wrote: > > > I have a crack starting on the trailing edge of the rudder > of my RV6. It is about 11 down from the top starting at the rivet and > going back. It is about long. I have heard of this before but does > somebody have a simple repair for this. I looked in the archives but > for some reason did not find anything. You can answer off list. > > Dick Dial > > jrdial@hal-pc.org Stop drill the crack (make sure you get past the end of the crack when you drill) with a bit larger bit than you might normally use, spray some fast-evaporating degreasing cleaner into the void, then force 'electrical grade', 'non-corrosive' silicone caulk into the hole to make a small internal blob contacting both the rudder skins. That's to reduce the flexing that causes the crack. (The 'electrical grade' caulk is to keep someone from telling you that your rudder is going to dissolve in the acid of regular RTV.) ;-) Charlie ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:34:30 PM PST US From: "Paul Rice" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re:Not waiting on Bluemountain I have also received my G4's. They have been installed and seem to function properly. Can't wait to see them in the air, should be in the air in a few weeks. Paul Rice RV8 ----- Original Message ----- From: Tracy Crook To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 7:27 PM Subject: RV-List: Re:Not waiting on Bluemountain Should have said "can't confuse the artificial horizon" in that last message. The HSI is mainly driven by the magnetometer when on the bench. The earths' magnetic field is pretty stable no matter what you do. Tracy ----- Original Message ----- From: Tracy Crook To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 7:25 PM Subject: Re: RV-List:Not waiting on Bluemountain Since I inadvertently started this thread with my "Still waiting on Bluemountain" comment I thought it only fair that I say that the G4 EFIS did arrive and it is a impressive piece of work. Haven't flown it yet but everything appears to work on the bench and so far I can't confuse the HSI no matter how much I rock & roll the panel. It took awhile but I think Bluemountain is finally ready for prime time. The engine pod for the engine monitor is a marvel of installation simplicity but I miss the user calibration capability that the earlier models had. You are pretty much stuck using only BMA supplied sensors with the G4. Maybe they will relent and add this capability in a future software release. Disclaimer: I am not affiliated with BMA in any way other than as a customer. 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