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1. 03:53 AM - Re: Real Men! Real Women! and REAL TAIL DRAGGERS! (Bud Williams)
2. 04:00 AM - Re: Re: RV10-List: Kitlog Pro (Bob Leffler)
3. 06:20 AM - Re: Real Men! Real Women! and REAL TAIL DRAGGERS! (Hopperdhh@aol.com)
4. 06:38 AM - Re: Real Men! Real Women! and REAL TAIL DRAGGERS! (Bob J.)
5. 07:12 AM - Riveting the Leading Edge to the Main Wing Spar (smitty@smittysrv.com)
6. 07:13 AM - Re: Real Men! Real Women! and REAL TAIL DRAGGERS! (Tim Bryan)
7. 07:13 AM - Re: RV-10E (Tim Bryan)
8. 07:29 AM - Re: Riveting the Leading Edge to the Main Wing Spar (Tim Bryan)
9. 07:32 AM - Re: Riveting the Leading Edge to the Main Wing Spar (wgill10@comcast.net)
10. 07:35 AM - Re: Riveting the Leading Edge to the Main Wing Spar (Bob Collins)
11. 08:31 AM - Re: Real Men! Real Women! and REAL TAIL DRAGGERS! (Terry Watson)
12. 08:49 AM - Re: Real Men! Real Women! and REAL TAIL DRAGGERS! (Rob Prior)
13. 08:52 AM - Re: Real Men! Real Women! and REAL TAIL DRAGGERS! (linn Walters)
14. 09:09 AM - Cushion clamps in living color (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
15. 09:12 AM - Re: Real Men! Real Women! and REAL TAIL DRAGGERS! (Hopperdhh@aol.com)
16. 09:32 AM - Re: Real Men! Real Women! and REAL TAIL DRAGGERS! (Jim Fogarty at Lakes & Leisure Realty)
17. 09:39 AM - Re: Real Men! Real Women! and REAL TAIL DRAGGERS! (Darrell Reiley)
18. 09:47 AM - Re: Real Men! Real Women! and REAL TAIL DRAGGERS! (Hopperdhh@aol.com)
19. 09:58 AM - Re: Cushion clamps in living color (Walter Tondu)
20. 09:59 AM - Re: Real Men! Real Women! and REAL TAIL DRAGGERS! (Walter Tondu)
21. 10:12 AM - cushion clamps in living color (Erich_Weaver@URSCorp.com)
22. 10:27 AM - Re: Cushion clamps in living color (Bret Smith)
23. 10:41 AM - Re: Real Men! Real Women! and REAL TAIL DRAGGERS! (Bob J.)
24. 11:43 AM - Tail dragger (Wheeler North)
25. 11:45 AM - Re: Real Men! Real Women! and REAL TAIL DRAGGERS! (Darrell Reiley)
26. 02:10 PM - Today's montra is... (smittysrv)
27. 03:21 PM - Re: Today's montra is... (Smitty)
28. 04:22 PM - Re: Real Men! Real Women! and REAL TAIL DRAGGERS! (Bud Williams)
29. 04:37 PM - Information Aero Estates Airpark Lake Palestine,Tx. (Tom & Cathy Ervin)
30. 05:37 PM - Re: Information Aero Estates Airpark Lake Palestine,Tx. (Darrell Reiley)
31. 05:38 PM - Re: Information Aero Estates Airpark Lake Palestine,Tx. (Darrell Reiley)
32. 06:14 PM - Re: cushion clamps in living color (halbenjamin@optonline.net)
33. 06:38 PM - Re: Information Aero Estates Airpark Lake Palestine,Tx. (Tim Bryan)
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| Subject: | Real Men! Real Women! and REAL TAIL DRAGGERS! |
The old birds were made of wood.no primer (and not much life expectancy
for
the aircraft)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Reuven
Silberman
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 11:08 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Real Men! Real Women! and REAL TAIL DRAGGERS!
But what kind of primer did the ole folks use to prime their dragged
tails??
Curious minds want to know.
Bud Williams <bud27@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Sorry, but I have to do this (and I fully expect to receive a ration of
s(tuff) over this): just as modern conventional gear aircraft with
tailwheels are not technically "taildraggers" as you imply, neither is
the
Tiger Moth a "tail dragger." Technically speaking, the term taildragger
is
derived from the earliest aircraft that literally "dragged their tails"
across the ground (i.e., NO tail skid). That practice quickly faded away
in
favor of the tail skid, since tails didn't last too long when they hit
ruts,
holes, and other obstacles lying in the grass. Trust me when I say that
the
ride in this condition is a VERY rough ride...you WILL feel every little
anomaly in the landing surface! :) It was also a lot easier to replace a
shorn tail skid than it was to replace the back portion of the fuselage,
rudder post, etc.
As the Tiger Moth is a tail skid aircraft, it does not deserve the
taildragger moniker any more than a "modern" aircraft with a tailwheel
deserves the name.
That all being said, the term taildragger lives on for ALL conventional
aircraft, be they true taildraggers, tail skid, or tailwheel, in
recognition
of those great aircraft of yesteryear and the special skills required by
pilots to fly them. So, acknowledge your fellow taildragging brethren as
true "taildraggers"...or else be ready to be accused of not being one
yourself if the best you can do is come up a Tiger Moth! :) LOL
Bud
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
flynlow@usaviator.net
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 8:10 PM
Subject: RV-List: Real Men! Real Women! and REAL TAIL DRAGGERS!
Hello all;
I don't comment much on this group, but I find myself compelled to speak
here.
How many of you have ever flown a "REAL" tail dragger?
Many years ago I was fortunate enough to own a 1944 DeHavilland Tiger
Moth.
It was rustic at best. The airspeed was a spring and plate affair on the
wing strut. The compass was mounted between the pilots legs and you had
to
look down on it. Of course, it had no electrical system at all. No
starter,
no generator, no lights, no radios and most certainly no glass panel. It
also had no brakes! and NO TAIL WHEEL! It came from the DeHavilland
factory
equipped with a steerable skid on the tail. To stop one simply held back
on
the stick to place more weight on the tail. Yep, the tail really did
DRAG! I
have not flown my RV8 yet as it is not finished, but you can be sure it
will
not have a glass panel. It will have some vintage vacuum gauges. The
Tiger
Moth was an incredibly fun airplane to fly. Low n slo, guts and
struts......
It was very very very slow! A 300 mile trip was a long one. When I
bought it
I flew it from New Jersey to Kansas. Took three days. I expect the RV8
will
be a bit faster than that.
OK, I have reminisced enough, but I would still like to know if there
are
others out there who have flown anything with a skid and no brakes.
Bud Silvers
RV8 under construction.
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob [mailto:panamared5@brier.net]
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Test, Anyone Out
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| Subject: | RE: RV10-List: Kitlog Pro |
Bill,
You don't have to do anything. The changes that Matt made only impact
pages that are posted to the web site. The data that is local on your PC
didn't have these issues, so there was no change required.
Bob
Do not archive
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of WILLIAM AGSTER
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 12:10 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: RE: RV10-List: Kitlog Pro
What If we do not want to post them to the server, just want the updates to
our own software for "our computer" use?
Bill Agster
----- Original Message -----
From: Matt Dralle <mailto:dralle@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: RE: RV10-List: Kitlog Pro
Darrell,
No, all of these changes were made on the MyKitlog.com webserver side; no
update to your Windows Application is required to take advantage of them.
Matt Dralle
At 04:15 PM 3/24/2007 Saturday, you wrote:
>
>Matt,
>
>Would this be something requiring an update? I've
>clicked on the check for updates and the reply is no
>updates available.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Darrell
>
>--- Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com> wrote:
>
>> <dralle@matronics.com>
>>
>> At 05:29 AM 3/22/2007 Thursday, RV Builder (Michael
>> Sausen) wrote:
>> >Matt bought KitLog?!? Wow, that's cool! Maybe he
>> will fix the problem where clicking next on a
>> project web page takes you backward in dates instead
>> of forward. That' has always drove me nuts along
>> with the run on paragraphs. Spell check would be
>> great too. I also mentioned to Paul way back when I
>> was beta testing his 2.0 release that adding the
>> ability to attach files to entries like scanned
>> receipts to expenses would be useful.
>> >
>> >Michael Sausen
>>
>> Michael/Kitlog Users,
>>
>> I think you will be pleased. I've updated the
>> "Next/Previous" functionality on the individual log
>> entry pages so that the function is now more
>> intuitive. Give it a try and let me know what you
>> think...
>>
>>
>http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=msausen&project=22&categ
ory=0&log=16675&row=5
>>
>> How's that for customer service? Tell a friend!
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Matt Dralle
>> Matronics / Kitlog Pro
>>
>>
>>
>> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore |
>> CA | 94551
>> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F |
>> dralle@matronics.com Email
>> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products
>> For Aircraft
>>
>>
>>
>> browse
>> Subscriptions page,
>> FAQ,
>>
>> Web Forums!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast
>with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut.
>http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather
>
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| Subject: | Re: Real Men! Real Women! and REAL TAIL DRAGGERS! |
In a message dated 4/4/2007 11:02:25 PM Eastern Standard Time,
lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com writes:
All I know is that I'm not dragging my *&^ around
anywhere... ;-)
Darrell Reiley
RV7A QB Slider "Reiley Rocket"
N622DR Reserved
N469RV Reserved
CenTex_RV_Aircraft-owner@yahoogroups.com
Good post Darrell. Why would anyone want to drag their airplanes tail? I
can see better when I taxi on the ground. And does it really matter in the air?
I know they say 2 or 3 mph, but I have to wonder about that number. I'll
bet my faired in nose gear is as clean as that dirty tail wheel and all its
springs and horns and stuff sticking out there in the wind. Also, I don't have
to
stay at home when the wind blows across the runway.
Dan Hopper
RV-7A
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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| Subject: | Re: Real Men! Real Women! and REAL TAIL DRAGGERS! |
>
> Good post Darrell. Why would anyone want to drag their airplanes tail? I
> can see better when I taxi on the ground. And does it really matter in the
> air? I know they say 2 or 3 mph, but I have to wonder about that number.
> I'll bet my faired in nose gear is as clean as that dirty tail wheel and all
> its springs and horns and stuff sticking out there in the wind. Also, I
> don't have to stay at home when the wind blows across the runway.
>
> Dan Hopper
> RV-7A
>
Dan, you forget to mention that your nosegear has collapsed. :) I've landed
in a 30KT crosswind, the wind's never made me stay home.
Regards,
Bob Japundza
RV-6 flying F1 under const
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| Subject: | Riveting the Leading Edge to the Main Wing Spar |
I started yesterday riveting the right wing main spar to the ribs in the
leading edge. I can get the bucking bar to every rib but the center one.
Someone suggested that I just pop-rivet it in place. Is that an OK thing to
do?
Smitty - RV-9A
http://SmittysRV.com
http://FunPlacesToFly.com
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| Subject: | Real Men! Real Women! and REAL TAIL DRAGGERS! |
If I stayed at home when the wind blew across the runway I would never get
to fly. Wind don't matter much more in the td than the nose wheel. If
anything we are off the ground sooner so it matters less. :-)
Flame suit on
Tim
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Good post Darrell. Why would anyone want to drag their airplanes tail? I
can see better when I taxi on the ground. And does it really matter in the
air? I know they say 2 or 3 mph, but I have to wonder about that number.
I'll bet my faired in nose gear is as clean as that dirty tail wheel and all
its springs and horns and stuff sticking out there in the wind. Also, I
don't have to stay at home when the wind blows across the runway.
Dan Hopper
RV-7A
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Very nice. I saw an installation in a -9 that was about as nice as it gets.
Have fun
Tim
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel R.
> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 2:21 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: Test, Anyone Out There...?
>
>
> It is the RV10 with an Eggenfellner engine on it. I am hoping to be the
> first RV10 built by a customer to fly an alternative engine in it.
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Bryan
> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 3:13 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: Test, Anyone Out There...?
>
>
> Dan,
>
> What is an RV10 "E"?
> Do Not Archive
> Tim
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-
> > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel R.
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 12:31 PM
> > To: rv-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: Test, Anyone Out There...?
> >
> <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
> >
> > Personally, once I am flying in the next month or so, I will offer as
> > many rides to whoever wants them within a 200 miles radius of 4G1,
> NWPA.
> > I figure this 200 nm is about an hour from home, and a good excuse to
> go
> > fly with friends. While I was building I got many rides from friends,
> > and I will of course pay it forward for others. I think this is a
> great
> > idea, and I think we just need a central webspot to coordinate rides
> for
> > everyone, and one of my good friends put the cost of the ride at a
> > nickel. He felt it was his and others responsibility to get everyone
> > motivated to complete their projects and this was the best way he knew
> > to motivate others.
> > So as such, once the RV10E is done, I would be happy to give anyone a
> > ride for a nickel, but it must be one of the new nickels because they
> > look cool. I think we should make it a yearly contest to see who can
> get
> > the most nickels and give an award out at Osh Kosh to the winner.
> > Dan
> > N289DT RV10E, so close I can feel it, at least in the imagination I am
> > close!
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Collins
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 1:00 PM
> > To: rv-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RV-List: Re: Test, Anyone Out There...?
> >
> <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
> >
> > I may have something to kick around if folks aren't getting enough
> > e-mail (g).
> >
> > Last week, I wrote a piece in the RV Builder's Hotline about flights
> > builders give to people who are building. I've been surprised --
> > somewhat -- at the reaction I've gotten from some builders, many have
> > reached that point (again) where they need a little push; a little
> > motivation.
> >
> > I know some EAA chapters and builders groups -- such as the Minnesota
> > Wing -- occasionally have builder motivation flights, but I got to
> > thinking: wouldn't it be cool to set up some sort of program to match
> > pilots with builders? Sort of a dating service without the romance --
> or
> > rather the romance is with flying. Anyway....
> >
> > What would those of you who are flying, consider a fair compensation
> in
> > exchange for providing, say, 20-30 minutes of ride-a-long time for a
> > builder? And how many flights would you consider over the course of a
> > month.
> >
> > This is my Old Eagles idea.
> >
> > --------
> > Bob Collins
> > St. Paul, Minn.
> > RV Builder's Hotline (free!)
> > http://rvhotline.expercraft.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=104911#104911
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Riveting the Leading Edge to the Main Wing Spar |
It is not only OK, but the plans call for it to just be pop riveted on the
-6. Pop it on and keep going.
Tim
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of smitty@smittysrv.com
> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 9:00 AM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Riveting the Leading Edge to the Main Wing Spar
>
> <smitty@smittysrv.com>
>
> I started yesterday riveting the right wing main spar to the ribs in the
> leading edge. I can get the bucking bar to every rib but the center one.
> Someone suggested that I just pop-rivet it in place. Is that an OK thing
> to
> do?
>
> Smitty - RV-9A
> http://SmittysRV.com
> http://FunPlacesToFly.com
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| Subject: | Re: Riveting the Leading Edge to the Main Wing Spar |
Smitty,
I used solid rivets on all the leading edge ribs and don't recall having any difficulties.
I do have good assortment of bucking bars and occasionally use one
of the squeezer yokes as a bucking bar. I hope this helps in avoiding the use
of pop rivets in this area, but I know others have used pop rivets here.
Bill
RV-7 FWF
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From: "smitty@smittysrv.com" <smitty@smittysrv.com>
>
> I started yesterday riveting the right wing main spar to the ribs in the
> leading edge. I can get the bucking bar to every rib but the center one.
> Someone suggested that I just pop-rivet it in place. Is that an OK thing to
> do?
>
> Smitty - RV-9A
> http://SmittysRV.com
> http://FunPlacesToFly.com
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| Subject: | Riveting the Leading Edge to the Main Wing Spar |
That'll work. If you have someone who can help you, though, Those rivets
are easily reached with one person reaching in through the holes from the
outboard end and one shooting from below with the gun.
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> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> smitty@smittysrv.com
> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 9:00 AM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Riveting the Leading Edge to the Main Wing Spar
>
>
> --> <smitty@smittysrv.com>
>
> I started yesterday riveting the right wing main spar to the
> ribs in the leading edge. I can get the bucking bar to every
> rib but the center one. Someone suggested that I just
> pop-rivet it in place. Is that an OK thing to do?
>
> Smitty - RV-9A
> http://SmittysRV.com
> http://FunPlacesToFly.com
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| Subject: | Real Men! Real Women! and REAL TAIL DRAGGERS! |
The question that has been bugging me is where to tail-dragger pilots get
those big brass balls you hear clanging when they climb out of their
airplane and swagger bow-legged across the ramp? I was thinking about
hanging a pair of them by the tail tie-down on my 8A.
Terry
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Reuven Silberman
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 9:08 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Real Men! Real Women! and REAL TAIL DRAGGERS!
But what kind of primer did the ole folks use to prime their dragged tails??
Curious minds want to know.
Bud Williams <bud27@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Sorry, but I have to do this (and I fully expect to receive a ration of
s(tuff) over this): just as modern conventional gear aircraft with
tailwheels are not technically "taildraggers" as you imply, neither is the
Tiger Moth a "tail dragger." Technically speaking, the term taildragger is
derived from the earliest aircraft that literally "dragged their tails"
across the ground (i.e., NO tail skid). That practice quickly faded away in
favor of the tail skid, since tails didn't last too long when they hit ruts,
holes, and other obstacles lying in the grass. Trust me when I say that the
ride in this condition is a VERY rough ride...you WILL feel every little
anomaly in the landing surface! :) It was also a lot easier to replace a
shorn tail skid than it was to replace the back portion of the fuselage,
rudder post, etc.
As the Tiger Moth is a tail skid aircraft, it does not deserve the
taildragger moniker any more than a "modern" aircraft with a tailwheel
deserves the name.
That all being said, the term taildragger lives on for ALL conventional
aircraft, be they true taildraggers, tail skid, or tailwheel, in recognition
of those great aircraft of yesteryear and the special skills required by
pilots to fly them. So, acknowledge your fellow taildragging brethren as
true "taildraggers"...or else be ready to be accused of not being one
yourself if the best you can do is come up a Tiger Moth! :) LOL
Bud
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
flynlow@usaviator.net
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 8:10 PM
Subject: RV-List: Real Men! Real Women! and REAL TAIL DRAGGERS!
Hello all;
I don't comment much on this group, but I find myself compelled to speak
here.
How many of you have ever flown a "REAL" tail dragger?
Many years ago I was fortunate enough to own a 1944 DeHavilland Tiger Moth.
It was rustic at best. The airspeed was a spring and plate affair on the
wing strut. The compass was mounted between the pilots legs and you had to
look down on it. Of course, it had no electrical system at all. No starter,
no generator, no lights, no radios and most certainly no glass panel. It
also had no brakes! and NO TAIL WHEEL! It came from the DeHavilland factory
equipped with a steerable skid on the tail. To stop one simply held back on
the stick to place more weight on the tail. Yep, the tail really did DRAG! I
have not flown my RV8 yet as it is not finished, but you can be sure it will
not have a glass panel. It will have some vintage vacuum gauges. The Tiger
Moth was an incredibly fun airplane to fly. Low n slo, guts and struts......
It was very very very slow! A 300 mile trip was a long one. When I bought it
I flew it from New Jersey to Kansas. Took three days. I expect the RV8 will
be a bit faster than that.
OK, I have reminisced enough, but I would still like to know if there are
others out there who have flown anything with a skid and no brakes.
Bud Silvers
RV8 under construction.
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob [mailto:panamared5@brier.net]
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Test, Anyone Out
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On 8:31 2007-04-05 "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com> wrote:
> The question that has been bugging me is where to tail-dragger pilots
> get those big brass balls you hear clanging when they climb out of
> their airplane and swagger bow-legged across the ramp? I was thinking
> about hanging a pair of them by the tail tie-down on my 8A.
They come in the tailwheel kit from Vans. The clanging lets other pilots
know that the person climbing into the taildragger knows what he's doing.
What comes in the nosewheel kit? A skirt? :)
-Rob
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Terry, I can answer that! All pilots have them!!! They actually start
out really small, and grow bigger as the TD hours build. Then, if an OH
SH** happens, they go back to being little again, and the pilot starts
over. :-D
What a refreshing food fight .... haven't seen this one in quite a
while!!! :-P
Linn ..... got both
do not archive
Terry Watson wrote:
> The question that has been bugging me is where to tail-dragger pilots
> get those big brass balls you hear clanging when they climb out of
> their airplane and swagger bow-legged across the ramp? I was thinking
> about hanging a pair of them by the tail tie-down on my 8A.
>
>
>
> Terry
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Reuven Silberman
> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 9:08 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV-List: Real Men! Real Women! and REAL TAIL DRAGGERS!
>
>
>
> But what kind of primer did the ole folks use to prime their dragged
> tails?? Curious minds want to know.
>
>
> Bud Williams <bud27@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>
> Sorry, but I have to do this (and I fully expect to receive a ration of
> s(tuff) over this): just as modern conventional gear aircraft with
> tailwheels are not technically "taildraggers" as you imply, neither is the
> Tiger Moth a "tail dragger." Technically speaking, the term taildragger is
> derived from the earliest aircraft that literally "dragged their tails"
> across the ground (i.e., NO tail skid). That practice quickly faded
> away in
> favor of the tail skid, since tails didn't last too long when they hit
> ruts,
> holes, and other obstacles lying in the grass. Trust me when I say
> that the
> ride in this condition is a VERY rough ride...you WILL feel every little
> anomaly in the landing surface! :) It was also a lot easier to replace a
> shorn tail skid than it was to replace the back portion of the fuselage,
> rudder post, etc.
>
> As the Tiger Moth is a tail skid aircraft, it does not deserve the
> taildragger moniker any more than a "modern" aircraft with a tailwheel
> deserves the name.
>
> That all being said, the term taildragger lives on for ALL conventional
> aircraft, be they true taildraggers, tail skid, or tailwheel, in
> recognition
> of those great aircraft of yesteryear and the special skills required by
> pilots to fly them. So, acknowledge your fellow taildragging brethren as
> true "taildraggers"...or else be ready to be accused of not being one
> yourself if the best you can do is come up a Tiger Moth! :) LOL
>
> Bud
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> flynlow@usaviator.net
> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 8:10 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Real Men! Real Women! and REAL TAIL DRAGGERS!
>
>
> Hello all;
>
> I don't comment much on this group, but I find myself compelled to speak
> here.
>
> How many of you have ever flown a "REAL" tail dragger?
>
> Many years ago I was fortunate enough to own a 1944 DeHavilland Tiger
> Moth.
> It was rustic at best. The airspeed was a spring and plate affair on the
> wing strut. The compass was mounted between the pilots legs and you had to
> look down on it. Of course, it had no electrical system at all. No
> starter,
> no generator, no lights, no radios and most certainly no glass panel. It
> also had no brakes! and NO TAIL WHEEL! It came from the DeHavilland
> factory
> equipped with a steerable skid on the tail. To stop one simply held
> back on
> the stick to place more weight on the tail. Yep, the tail really did
> DRAG! I
> have not flown my RV8 yet as it is not finished, but you can be sure
> it will
> not have a glass panel. It will have some vintage vacuum gauges. The Tiger
> Moth was an incredibly fun airplane to fly. Low n slo, guts and
> struts......
> It was very very very slow! A 300 mile trip was a long one. When I
> bought it
> I flew it from New Jersey to Kansas. Took three days. I expect the RV8
> will
> be a bit faster than that.
>
> OK, I have reminisced enough, but I would still like to know if there are
> others out there who have flown anything with a skid and no brakes.
>
> Bud Silvers
> RV8 under construction.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob [mailto:panamared5@brier.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 3:40 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Test, Anyone Out
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Cushion clamps in living color |
Howdy-
Can anyone point to a supplier for adel type clamps with different colored
(not black-looking for yellow) cushions? I've seen these occasionally on RVs
and I've googled til I've gagged!
Thanks in advance and do not archive
Mark
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| Subject: | Re: Real Men! Real Women! and REAL TAIL DRAGGERS! |
In a message dated 4/5/2007 9:39:39 AM Eastern Standard Time,
rocketbob@gmail.com writes:
Dan, you forget to mention that your nosegear has collapsed. :) I've landed
in a 30KT crosswind, the wind's never made me stay home.
Regards,
Bob Japundza
RV-6 flying F1 under const
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Aircraft Spruce and you get the squeeze from Avery. They are not
aluminum, they are steel in a 30 knot crosswind. Sorry!
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: Terry Watson
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 10:31 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Real Men! Real Women! and REAL TAIL DRAGGERS!
The question that has been bugging me is where to tail-dragger pilots
get those big brass balls you hear clanging when they climb out of their
airplane and swagger bow-legged across the ramp? I was thinking about
hanging a pair of them by the tail tie-down on my 8A.
Terry
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Reuven
Silberman
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 9:08 PM
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV-List: Real Men! Real Women! and REAL TAIL DRAGGERS!
But what kind of primer did the ole folks use to prime their dragged
tails?? Curious minds want to know.
Bud Williams <bud27@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Sorry, but I have to do this (and I fully expect to receive a ration
of
s(tuff) over this): just as modern conventional gear aircraft with
tailwheels are not technically "taildraggers" as you imply, neither is
the
Tiger Moth a "tail dragger." Technically speaking, the term
taildragger is
derived from the earliest aircraft that literally "dragged their
tails"
across the ground (i.e., NO tail skid). That practice quickly faded
away in
favor of the tail skid, since tails didn't last too long when they hit
ruts,
holes, and other obstacles lying in the grass. Trust me when I say
that the
ride in this condition is a VERY rough ride...you WILL feel every
little
anomaly in the landing surface! :) It was also a lot easier to replace
a
shorn tail skid than it was to replace the back portion of the
fuselage,
rudder post, etc.
As the Tiger Moth is a tail skid aircraft, it does not deserve the
taildragger moniker any more than a "modern" aircraft with a tailwheel
deserves the name.
That all being said, the term taildragger lives on for ALL
conventional
aircraft, be they true taildraggers, tail skid, or tailwheel, in
recognition
of those great aircraft of yesteryear and the special skills required
by
pilots to fly them. So, acknowledge your fellow taildragging brethren
as
true "taildraggers"...or else be ready to be accused of not being one
yourself if the best you can do is come up a Tiger Moth! :) LOL
Bud
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
flynlow@usaviator.net
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 8:10 PM
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV-List: Real Men! Real Women! and REAL TAIL DRAGGERS!
Hello all;
I don't comment much on this group, but I find myself compelled to
speak
here.
How many of you have ever flown a "REAL" tail dragger?
Many years ago I was fortunate enough to own a 1944 DeHavilland Tiger
Moth.
It was rustic at best. The airspeed was a spring and plate affair on
the
wing strut. The compass was mounted between the pilots legs and you
had to
look down on it. Of course, it had no electrical system at all. No
starter,
no generator, no lights, no radios and most certainly no glass panel.
It
also had no brakes! and NO TAIL WHEEL! It came from the DeHavilland
factory
equipped with a steerable skid on the tail. To stop one simply held
back on
the stick to place more weight on the tail. Yep, the tail really did
DRAG! I
have not flown my RV8 yet as it is not finished, but you can be sure
it will
not have a glass panel. It will have some vintage vacuum gauges. The
Tiger
Moth was an incredibly fun airplane to fly. Low n slo, guts and
struts......
It was very very very slow! A 300 mile trip was a long one. When I
bought it
I flew it from New Jersey to Kansas. Took three days. I expect the RV8
will
be a bit faster than that.
OK, I have reminisced enough, but I would still like to know if there
are
others out there who have flown anything with a skid and no brakes.
Bud Silvers
RV8 under construction.
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob [mailto:panamared5@brier.net]
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 3:40 PM
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV-List: Test, Anyone Out
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| Subject: | Real Men! Real Women! and REAL TAIL DRAGGERS! |
You know... my dog drags his tail in the yard every
now and then... I wonder what he's trying to tell me.
;-)
Darrell
--- Rob Prior <rv7@b4.ca> wrote:
> <rv7@b4.ca>
>
> On 8:31 2007-04-05 "Terry Watson"
> <terry@tcwatson.com> wrote:
> > The question that has been bugging me is where to
> tail-dragger pilots
> > get those big brass balls you hear clanging when
> they climb out of
> > their airplane and swagger bow-legged across the
> ramp? I was thinking
> > about hanging a pair of them by the tail tie-down
> on my 8A.
>
> They come in the tailwheel kit from Vans. The
> clanging lets other pilots
> know that the person climbing into the taildragger
> knows what he's doing.
>
> What comes in the nosewheel kit? A skirt? :)
>
> -Rob
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
>
> Web Forums!
>
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In a message dated 4/5/2007 12:40:29 PM Eastern Standard Time,
lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com writes:
You know... my dog drags his tail in the yard every
now and then... I wonder what he's trying to tell me.
;-)
Darrell
Was he in a nose high attitude?
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| Subject: | Re: Cushion clamps in living color |
On 04/05 12:06, Fiveonepw@aol.com wrote:
> Can anyone point to a supplier for adel type clamps with different colored
> (not black-looking for yellow) cushions? I've seen these occasionally on
> RVs and I've googled til I've gagged!
I've got bags of used ones that I bought for a couple of buck from
Max Industries here in Los Angeles.
--
Walter Tondu
http://www.rv7-a.com - Flying!
http://www.evorocket.com - Building
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On 04/05 8:57, Rob Prior wrote:
> What comes in the nosewheel kit? A skirt? :)
A big(er) pecker :)
--
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| Subject: | cushion clamps in living color |
The color of the clamps is not just for aesthetics - it has meaning. See
Bub Nuckolls article here:
http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/adel.html
regards,
Erich Weaver
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Mark, here you go...
Bret Smith
RV-9A "Fuselage"
Blue Ridge, GA
www.FlightInnovations.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Fiveonepw@aol.com
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 12:06 PM
Subject: RV-List: Cushion clamps in living color
Howdy-
Can anyone point to a supplier for adel type clamps with different
colored (not black-looking for yellow) cushions? I've seen these
occasionally on RVs and I've googled til I've gagged!
Thanks in advance and do not archive
Mark
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Or you having 20 more HP. You didn't smoke me, that's for sure... Seems to
me you enjoy telling people about that.
On 4/5/07, Hopperdhh@aol.com <Hopperdhh@aol.com> wrote:
>
> In a message dated 4/5/2007 9:39:39 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> rocketbob@gmail.com writes:
>
>
> Dan, you forget to mention that your nosegear has collapsed. :) I've
> landed in a 30KT crosswind, the wind's never made me stay home.
>
> Regards,
> Bob Japundza
> RV-6 flying F1 under const
> do not archive
>
>
> I also didn't mention our race.
>
>
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I can assure you that with some of my landings, the term "taildragger",
as recently defined, does apply.
;{)
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No not really, but then he starts to chase his own
tail... 8^
Darrell
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--- Hopperdhh@aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 4/5/2007 12:40:29 PM Eastern
> Standard Time,
> lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com writes:
>
> <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
>
> You know... my dog drags his tail in the yard every
> now and then... I wonder what he's trying to tell
> me.
> ;-)
>
> Darrell
>
> Was he in a nose high attitude?
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Today's montra is... |
I'm saving money, I'm saving money, I'm saving money..
Keep poundin' them there rivets!
--------
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Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=105204#105204
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Oops. Sorry. Here's the picture to go with this posting:
http://www.smittysrv.com/photos/duck.jpg
> I'm saving money, I'm saving money, I'm saving money..
> Keep poundin' them there rivets!
>
> --------
> Smittys RV-9A
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=105204#105204
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| Subject: | Real Men! Real Women! and REAL TAIL DRAGGERS! |
The advantages/disadvantages, piloting skills, manliness factors, and other
related (or unrelated) of tailwheels versus training wheels...I mean nose
wheels...have all been discussed on the RV lists many times in the past, and
I do not wish to re-open those old threads. From a PERSONAL point of view, I
have but one word in response: WIMP! :) LOL
Seriously, to each their own...the -7A is a very fine airplane
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Darrell Reiley
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 10:00 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Real Men! Real Women! and REAL TAIL DRAGGERS!
All I know is that I'm not dragging my *&^ around
anywhere... ;-)
Darrell Reiley
RV7A QB Slider "Reiley Rocket"
N622DR Reserved
N469RV Reserved
CenTex_RV_Aircraft-owner@yahoogroups.com
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| Subject: | Information Aero Estates Airpark Lake Palestine,Tx. |
List: Do any of the Texas Rvators have information they can share on
Aero Estates Airpark?? The Airpark is approximately 75 miles SE of
Dallas and located on Lake Palestine.
I am trying to find a lot on the runway for retirement but
they are all sold. I would like to talk to individuals who are familiar
with the airpark or know someone who perhaps lives there. There are
supposedly a few lots for sale by owners but the Airpark Manager does
not want to give me any information on them??
Anyone in Texas who can give me a hand? It would
sure be appreciated!! Contact me off the list please.
DO NOT ARCHIVE Tom in Ohio tcervin@valkyrie.net
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Tom,
Check with these people. There are three different
contacts here. They handle a lot of airpark
properties.
Darrell
--- Tom & Cathy Ervin <tcervin@valkyrie.net> wrote:
> List: Do any of the Texas Rvators have information
> they can share on Aero Estates Airpark?? The Airpark
> is approximately 75 miles SE of Dallas and located
> on Lake Palestine.
> I am trying to find a lot on the runway
> for retirement but they are all sold. I would like
> to talk to individuals who are familiar with the
> airpark or know someone who perhaps lives there.
> There are supposedly a few lots for sale by owners
> but the Airpark Manager does not want to give me any
> information on them??
> Anyone in Texas who can give me
> a hand? It would sure be appreciated!! Contact me
> off the list please.
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE Tom
> in Ohio tcervin@valkyrie.net
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| Subject: | Re: Information Aero Estates Airpark Lake Palestine,Tx. |
It might help to drop the link...
http://www.argylemls.com/airports/Texas.htm
Sorry!
Darrell
--- Tom & Cathy Ervin <tcervin@valkyrie.net> wrote:
> List: Do any of the Texas Rvators have information
> they can share on Aero Estates Airpark?? The Airpark
> is approximately 75 miles SE of Dallas and located
> on Lake Palestine.
> I am trying to find a lot on the runway
> for retirement but they are all sold. I would like
> to talk to individuals who are familiar with the
> airpark or know someone who perhaps lives there.
> There are supposedly a few lots for sale by owners
> but the Airpark Manager does not want to give me any
> information on them??
> Anyone in Texas who can give me
> a hand? It would sure be appreciated!! Contact me
> off the list please.
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE Tom
> in Ohio tcervin@valkyrie.net
Darrell Reiley
RV7A QB Slider "Reiley Rocket"
N622DR Reserved
N469RV Reserved
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| Subject: | Re: cushion clamps in living color |
Hi Mark,
As Eric mentioned below, the colors are coded as to the materials that they are
made of. I get them from Genuine Aircraft Hardware Company. They also carry
all kinds of fasteners & have a really handy catalog they call the "Toolbox Reference
Book." Their website is a bit quirky, but I've always received good service
from them.
www.gen-aircraft-hardware.com
Good Luck,
Hal Benjamin RV-4
Long Island, New York
Finish Kit
----- Original Message -----
From: Erich_Weaver@URSCorp.com
Subject: RV-List: cushion clamps in living color
>
> The color of the clamps is not just for aesthetics - it has
> meaning. See
> Bub Nuckolls article here:
>
> http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/adel.html
>
> regards,
>
> Erich Weaver
>
>
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| Subject: | Information Aero Estates Airpark Lake Palestine,Tx. |
Hi Tom,
I own property on Aero Estates Airpark. I have an RV-6, hangar, shop and
house getting started. I know everything you could possibly need to know
about the place having done extensive research before purchasing. By the
way there are a few lots available. Contact me off list if you wish or
simply just call me at 903-876-5511
Thanks
Tim Bryan
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom & Cathy Ervin
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 6:37 PM
Subject: RV-List: Information Aero Estates Airpark Lake Palestine,Tx.
List: Do any of the Texas Rvators have information they can share on Aero
Estates Airpark?? The Airpark is approximately 75 miles SE of Dallas and
located on Lake Palestine.
I am trying to find a lot on the runway for retirement but they
are all sold. I would like to talk to individuals who are familiar with the
airpark or know someone who perhaps lives there. There are supposedly a few
lots for sale by owners but the Airpark Manager does not want to give me any
information on them??
Anyone in Texas who can give me a hand? It would sure be
appreciated!! Contact me off the list please.
DO NOT ARCHIVE Tom in Ohio tcervin@valkyrie.net
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