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1. 04:56 AM - Re: Information Aero Estates Airpark Lake Palestine,Tx. (Tom & Cathy Ervin)
2. 04:59 AM - Re: Information Aero Estates Airpark Lake Palestine,Tx. (Bob)
3. 08:25 AM - Re: Information Aero Estates Airpark Lake Palestine,Tx. (Tim Bryan)
4. 10:02 AM - Re: Real Men! Real Women! and REAL TAIL DRAGGERS! ()
5. 10:59 AM - Re: Re: Real Men! Real Women! and REAL TAIL DRAGGERS! (Bob J.)
6. 11:21 AM - Re: Re: Real Men! Real Women! and REAL TAIL DRAGGERS! (RAS)
7. 12:22 PM - Phase One Radius (Jerry2DT@aol.com)
8. 12:38 PM - Tires.. (bertrv6@highstream.net)
9. 12:53 PM - Re: Phase One Radius (Charlie England)
10. 01:24 PM - Re: Tires.. (Dan Checkoway)
11. 01:51 PM - Re: Tires.. (Darrell Reiley)
12. 02:25 PM - Re: Phase One Radius (ronlee@pcisys.net)
13. 02:41 PM - Safety (Was Real Men!...) (ronlee@pcisys.net)
14. 06:55 PM - Re: Safety (Was Real Men!...) (Kyle Boatright)
15. 07:39 PM - Re: Safety (Was Real Men!...) (Dave Cudney)
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| Subject: | Re: Information Aero Estates Airpark Lake Palestine,Tx. |
Tim, I will give you a call around noon Texas Time!
Thanks, Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Bryan
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 10:36 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Information Aero Estates Airpark Lake
Palestine,Tx.
Hi Tom,
I own property on Aero Estates Airpark. I have an RV-6, hangar, shop
and house getting started. I know everything you could possibly need to
know about the place having done extensive research before purchasing.
By the way there are a few lots available. Contact me off list if you
wish or simply just call me at 903-876-5511
Thanks
Tim Bryan
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom & Cathy
Ervin
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 6:37 PM
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV-List: Information Aero Estates Airpark Lake Palestine,Tx.
List: Do any of the Texas Rvators have information they can share on
Aero Estates Airpark?? The Airpark is approximately 75 miles SE of
Dallas and located on Lake Palestine.
I am trying to find a lot on the runway for retirement but
they are all sold. I would like to talk to individuals who are familiar
with the airpark or know someone who perhaps lives there. There are
supposedly a few lots for sale by owners but the Airpark Manager does
not want to give me any information on them??
Anyone in Texas who can give me a hand? It would
sure be appreciated!! Contact me off the list please.
DO NOT ARCHIVE Tom in Ohio tcervin@valkyrie.net
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| Subject: | Information Aero Estates Airpark Lake Palestine,Tx. |
>
>I own property on Aero Estates Airpark. I have an RV-6, hangar,
>shop and house getting started. I know everything you could
>possibly need to know about the place having done extensive research
>before purchasing. By the way there are a few lots
>available. Contact me off list if you wish or simply just call me
>at 903-876-5511
>
>Thanks
>Tim Bryan
>Do Not Archive
>
Tim
For general information purposes, could you tell the rest of us a
little about the Airpark and why you decided to buy there. I have
always wondered about living on an Airpark. Is it worth it, money,
time, convenience, inconvenience etc?
Now that the RVs just about build themselves we need something to
read about on the list...just kidding...well sort of.
Bob
RV6 "Wicked Witch of the West"
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| Subject: | Information Aero Estates Airpark Lake Palestine,Tx. |
Hi Bob and others,
We moved to Texas from Oregon to find warmer weather. We looked in Nevada,
Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas. We found many airparks and looked at many
of them in person. Some of those we looked at were not areas where there
were trees and green grass. Others were in either high terrain or flat out
hot desert. We were looking for our cake and eat it too. Also some were
pretty formal living. Those were beautiful, but very formal. Unfortunately
the price reflected this as well. We are not rich folk and could not afford
200K for a lot in an air park.
Aero Estates is in East Texas. We are about 120 miles east of Dallas and
about 25 miles south of Tyler. Tyler has just about everything a person
could want at over 100,000 people population. East Texas is green and has
rolling terrain with lots of greenery. As a bonus, the airpark is on the
south end of Lake Palestine a 21 square mile lake containing excellent
fishing, water skiing, and other water sports.
The airpark is very informal with a 3000 foot grass runway and pilot
controlled lights will be installed later this month. The roads are not
asphalt but are mostly a gravel type base. All of the taxiways are grass
and get cut every other week. Lots when we purchased 1 1/2 year ago were
from 14K to 21K for 1/2 acre. We have a private boat dock and launching
with an associated picnic area. Currently the dues are only $15 per month
or $150 per year. I see this going up some but not very much.
East Texas and specifically the Frankston area is a much more moderate
climate in the summer months than further south. This was a big plus to us
as well as the lake. The CC&R's are in place but are not too restrictive;
possibly not restrictive enough. There are still lots available but are
beginning to sell pretty fast. I own lots 67 & 68 down by the lake. You
can see all of this on the website at:
www.aeroestatesairpark.com
Convenience? Oh yeah, I have done more casual flying since moving here than
ever before. We fly out almost every weekend with others from here and
around to barbeques and such.
Inconvenience? I work from home so don't go to town much. If you drive in
for work, Tyler is 25 miles away. We do not live in town. I like that, but
others may not.
Bottom line is it is affordable, enjoyable, and in a climate friendly area.
If anyone has specific questions feel free to contact me off list or by
phone. If you just want to fly in and fish the lake you can tie down at my
hangar as my guest.
I just joined Chapter 1219 in Lufkin, Texas and look forward to that as
well.
Tim
RV-6
> Tim
>
> For general information purposes, could you tell the rest of us a
> little about the Airpark and why you decided to buy there. I have
> always wondered about living on an Airpark. Is it worth it, money,
> time, convenience, inconvenience etc?
>
> Now that the RVs just about build themselves we need something to
> read about on the list...just kidding...well sort of.
>
> Bob
> RV6 "Wicked Witch of the West"
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Real Men! Real Women! and REAL TAIL DRAGGERS! |
Facts:
Its call traditional gear, (the term tail dragger is kind of new term since we
got the planes with training wheels on the front. ;-)
Nose draggers where known as Tricycle gear, like that first three wheeler you
peddled when you where still making dodo in your drawers.
RV model-A's: cost more, little slower, harder to build and structure takes cockpit
space. Add some concern about the nose gear acting like a pole to a pole
vaulter, a spatula flipping a pancake.
No evidence that the trike has more cross wind capability, but if you can land
that A model in a 30 kt cross wind, U R DA MAN. However I doubt you really landed
in more the 30 total kts of wind much less 30 kts cross wind component.
(any RV would have issues with 30 kts x-wind.)
We know that the tail wheel may take a tad more skill, therefore the bigger balls.
Both are planes thus great.
George RV-4/RV-7/B757
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| Subject: | Re: Real Men! Real Women! and REAL TAIL DRAGGERS! |
Coming home from SNF 2004, we landed on our airpark on runway 18. Wind from
nearby AWOS was from 250 at 29KTS gusting 38KTS. I remember it quite
vividly. I started on the right side of the runway and had the right
wingtip almost dragging the grass (I was watching it out of the corner of my
eye.) Figured I'd try it once and if it didn't go well then I'd go around
and to the nearby airport with runway 23 into the wind. Turned out to be a
non-event, but the pucker factor was high. Ended up towards the left side
of the center of the runway with full right aileron and lots of right
rudder, half flaps. This was in my "traditional gear" RV-6.
Doubt if you want but I have no reason to lie. The airplane is capable of
doing it.
Regards,
Bob Japundza
RV-6 flying F1 under const.
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On 4/6/07, gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com <gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Facts:
>
> Its call traditional gear, (the term tail dragger is kind of new term
> since we got the planes with training wheels on the front. ;-)
>
> Nose draggers where known as Tricycle gear, like that first three wheeler
> you peddled when you where still making dodo in your drawers.
>
> RV model-A's: cost more, little slower, harder to build and structure
> takes cockpit space. Add some concern about the nose gear acting like a pole
> to a pole vaulter, a spatula flipping a pancake.
>
> No evidence that the trike has more cross wind capability, but if you can
> land that A model in a 30 kt cross wind, U R DA MAN. However I doubt you
> really landed in more the 30 total kts of wind much less 30 kts cross wind
> component. (any RV would have issues with 30 kts x-wind.)
>
> We know that the tail wheel may take a tad more skill, therefore the
> bigger balls.
>
> Both are planes thus great.
>
> George RV-4/RV-7/B757
>
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| Subject: | Re: Real Men! Real Women! and REAL TAIL DRAGGERS! |
So, why then art thou still aviating in an aerial vehicle with a
training wheel up front, an aerial vehicle which would also have
problems with a 30kts x-wind?
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----- Original Message -----
From: gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 6:00 PM
Subject: RV-List: Re: Real Men! Real Women! and REAL TAIL DRAGGERS!
Facts:
Its call traditional gear, (the term tail dragger is kind of new term
since we got the planes with training wheels on the front. ;-)
Nose draggers where known as Tricycle gear, like that first three
wheeler you peddled when you where still making dodo in your drawers.
RV model-A's: cost more, little slower, harder to build and structure
takes cockpit space. Add some concern about the nose gear acting like a
pole to a pole vaulter, a spatula flipping a pancake.
No evidence that the trike has more cross wind capability, but if you
can land that A model in a 30 kt cross wind, U R DA MAN. However I doubt
you really landed in more the 30 total kts of wind much less 30 kts
cross wind component. (any RV would have issues with 30 kts x-wind.)
We know that the tail wheel may take a tad more skill, therefore the
bigger balls.
Both are planes thus great.
George RV-4/RV-7/B757
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| Subject: | Phase One Radius |
Since I heard this list needs something to noodle about, here's one... Can
anyone tell me why it is important to limit the radius one can fly off phase
one to 50 miles, or any number of miles at all? I'm in the midst of this
exercise and wonder what safety issue dictates this... I would rather see the
rules
reflect that the pilot has an understanding of simply staying away from
populated areas, have a place to set down, etc., whether it's 50 miles out or
200... Sure would make it more interesting...
Maybe this is a holdover of the 1920's or sumpin'?
Just noodling,
Jerry Cochran
RV-6a 6 hrs.
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Hello:
I will have to buy the first set of tires for my RV6a.
Question is, what is the best deal out there...brand name etc..
I have heard more than once, from pilots, that they have found, that buying
re-treads, have given them better service than new ones...
Your experience appreciated,
Bert
rv6a
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| Subject: | Re: Phase One Radius |
Jerry2DT@aol.com wrote:
> Since I heard this list needs something to noodle about, here's one...
> Can anyone tell me why it is important to limit the radius one can fly
> off phase one to 50 miles, or any number of miles at all? I'm in the
> midst of this exercise and wonder what safety issue dictates this... I
> would rather see the rules reflect that the pilot has an understanding
> of simply staying away from populated areas, have a place to set down,
> etc., whether it's 50 miles out or 200... Sure would make it more
> interesting...
>
> Maybe this is a holdover of the 1920's or sumpin'?
>
> Just noodling,
> Jerry Cochran
> RV-6a 6 hrs.
Politics, just like the rule that you can't fly over densely populated
areas, except for t/o & landing (except when a Class B airspace
controller routes you directly over the city when you contact him/her on
a cross country flight).
'Rules' like that keep the 99.9% of the population who don't fly
experimentals from complaining too much that we get to play with neat
toys. Many FSDO's will give much larger areas if you ask & draw limit
lines that keep you away from major cities & busy airspace.
Having said that, the FSDO can limit you to even less area if it sees
fit. There's a local legend around here of a guy who got a test area
that kept him within sight of the runway. The inspector told him that
while he couldn't keep the guy from flying his creation, he *could* keep
the wreckage easy to find.
Charlie
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> I have heard more than once, from pilots, that they have found, that
> buying
> re-treads, have given them better service than new ones...
FWIW, I used only McCreary AirHawks for 1000 hours. They wore quickly but
were very LIGHT and CHEAP. Rotating them at ~150 hours I was getting
250-300 hours on a set.
At my last tire replacement, I switched to a set of Wilkerson retreads. I
got Goodyear Flight Custom II retreads for basically the same price as new
AirHawks. First the BAD news...they were notably heavier than the AirHawks,
and they were slightly larger in diameter.
Now the GOOD news. I'm going to get easily another 50% more landings on
these retreads than I did on the AirHawks. 200 hours and I still haven't
had to rotate 'em yet. May not even bother.
A worthwhile experiment imho, and for somebody who wants maximum bang for
the buck, the retreads seem to be a great value. But I'll be honest...I
don't mind rotating the tires and replacing them more often. I *enjoy*
working on my plane, and it doesn't take long to swap/rotate tires. When it
comes time to replace tires again I'm going back to the McCreary AirHawks.
I'd rather have the lightweight setup, even if that means I have to devote
two more afternoons to maintenance every year (no biggie!).
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D (1246 hours)
www.rvproject.com / www.weathermeister.com / www.weighmyplane.com
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I think DanC has the best deal going on his site.
Darrell
--- bertrv6@highstream.net wrote:
> bertrv6@highstream.net
>
>
>
> Hello:
>
> I will have to buy the first set of tires for my
> RV6a.
>
> Question is, what is the best deal out there...brand
> name etc..
>
> I have heard more than once, from pilots, that they
> have found, that buying
> re-treads, have given them better service than new
> ones...
>
> Your experience appreciated,
>
> Bert
>
> rv6a
> do not archive
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
>
> Web Forums!
>
>
>
>
>
Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate
in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A.
http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545367
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| Subject: | Re: Phase One Radius |
Some areas in Colorado are basically the entire state east of the
Rockies. 50 nm would be boring and only allow three airports to visit.
Ron
Lee
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| Subject: | Safety (Was Real Men!...) |
If all you macho taildragger dudes can stop kissing yourself in the
mirror for a bit I have a bigger issue.
I am getting damn tired of hearing of RVs crashing and killing people.
Does anyone feel that a safety course targeted to RV pilots may
eventually improve our safety record? I don't know if you can get
anything across to putzes who fly into class 5 (?) thunderstorms, tempt
Darwin and lose, but if most accidents are pilot error we should do more
to reduce that factor.
Chose whatever motivation you want: Not leaving loved ones behind,
having more planes for the resale market, more planes for Young Eagle or
builder motivation flights or my favorite...lowering insurance costs.
It could be web-based initially with other options for group learning at
fly-ins.
Comments?
Ron Lee
Yea I fly a -6A
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| Subject: | Re: Safety (Was Real Men!...) |
Excellent idea. What common threads do we see in fatal RV accidents?
Marginal VFR/VFR into IMC?
Low Altitude Aerobatics?
These two are the ones that come to mind for me, and the thing is, EVERYONE
knows that these are pilot killers and people still make these mistake all
too frequently.
Personally, I don't do low altitude acrobatics or buzz my friend's houses. I
will fly in marginal VFR, but have never been dumb enough (or unlucky
enough) to enter IMC.
KB
----- Original Message -----
From: <ronlee@pcisys.net>
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 5:40 PM
Subject: RV-List: Safety (Was Real Men!...)
>
> If all you macho taildragger dudes can stop kissing yourself in the
> mirror for a bit I have a bigger issue.
>
> I am getting damn tired of hearing of RVs crashing and killing people.
>
> Does anyone feel that a safety course targeted to RV pilots may
> eventually improve our safety record? I don't know if you can get
> anything across to putzes who fly into class 5 (?) thunderstorms, tempt
> Darwin and lose, but if most accidents are pilot error we should do more
> to reduce that factor.
>
> Chose whatever motivation you want: Not leaving loved ones behind,
> having more planes for the resale market, more planes for Young Eagle or
> builder motivation flights or my favorite...lowering insurance costs.
>
> It could be web-based initially with other options for group learning at
> fly-ins.
>
> Comments?
>
> Ron Lee
> Yea I fly a -6A
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Safety (Was Real Men!...) |
The lead article in the latest RV Builders hotline certainly shows
that there is plenty of room for a safety program.
dave
On Apr 6, 2007, at 9:40 PM, ronlee@pcisys.net wrote:
>
> If all you macho taildragger dudes can stop kissing yourself in the
> mirror for a bit I have a bigger issue.
>
> I am getting damn tired of hearing of RVs crashing and killing people.
>
> Does anyone feel that a safety course targeted to RV pilots may
> eventually improve our safety record? I don't know if you can get
> anything across to putzes who fly into class 5 (?) thunderstorms,
> tempt
> Darwin and lose, but if most accidents are pilot error we should do
> more
> to reduce that factor.
>
> Chose whatever motivation you want: Not leaving loved ones behind,
> having more planes for the resale market, more planes for Young
> Eagle or
> builder motivation flights or my favorite...lowering insurance costs.
>
> It could be web-based initially with other options for group
> learning at
> fly-ins.
>
> Comments?
>
> Ron Lee
> Yea I fly a -6A
>
>
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