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1. 12:00 AM - Re: Defrost (Vince-Himsl)
2. 10:17 AM - Re: Defrost (luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky))
3. 11:00 AM - test (Jeff Dowling)
4. 03:38 PM - Defrost (PeterHunt1@aol.com)
5. 05:59 PM - Re: PAPSP - Pilot & Aircraft Proficiency & Safety Program (Was Safety) (Sherman Butler)
6. 06:23 PM - HIO in an RV? (Charlie England)
7. 07:01 PM - Re: Re: Real Men! Real Women! and REAL TAIL DRAGGERS! (Sherman Butler)
8. 08:40 PM - Garmin GNS 430 WAAS Upgrade Questions (ronlee@pcisys.net)
9. 09:07 PM - Re:Defrost (DEAN PSIROPOULOS)
10. 09:09 PM - Re: Re: Real Men! Real Women! and REAL TAIL DRAGGERS! (Bob J.)
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Next time you are in Home Depot or equivalent, check out the 1" diameter
round soffit vents; aluminum, screened, and with a lip to cover the crudely
cut mounting hole...unless you have a chassis punch.
I installed seven of small ones, 1 center and 3 equally spaced on each side
on my RV8. Used Black silicone to secure them with louvers pointed towards
windscreen to force naturally rising hot air closer to the windscreen.
Following the KISS philosophy, I won't add fans, ducts, or anything else
until I fly with it for awhile.
Plan to be flying this year...finally!
Vince H.
RV8-VSB
Moscow, ID.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DEAN PSIROPOULOS
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 8:01 PM
Subject: RV-List: Defrost
<dean.psiropoulos@verizon.net>
I'm finally down to the last 1% of the 90% that is left after you are 90%
done. Consequently I'm getting ready to rivet the forward top skin on my
RV-6A slider. But, before I do that, I'd like to know the group's concensus
on cutting a couple slots in the skin and installing a fan and ducts
underneath for a defrost system. Even though I live in Florida now, I know
that I'll be traveling all over the country and weather is not always as
pleasant in the north. So......how many have installed some sort of
defrosting system in your RV (of any model)? Also who has the simplest
method of implementing such a system (after 10 years of building I don't
want to spend another six months just for this), and can you email a rough
sketch or drawing? Thanks.
Dean Psiropoulos
RV-6A N197DM
Close!!
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What conditions makes this an issue? I've flown year round in PA and haven't had
a problem yet.
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From: "Mark Burns" <burnsm@suddenlink.net>
>
> Dean,
> Check out this thread on VAF.
>
> http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=13724&page=1&pp=10&hi
> ghlight=defrost
>
> scroll down to my post :-)
>
> Mark Burns
> RV-7A finishing
> Louisiana
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DEAN PSIROPOULOS
> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 10:01 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Defrost
>
>
>
> I'm finally down to the last 1% of the 90% that is left after you are 90%
> done. Consequently I'm getting ready to rivet the forward top skin on my
> RV-6A slider. But, before I do that, I'd like to know the group's concensus
> on cutting a couple slots in the skin and installing a fan and ducts
> underneath for a defrost system. Even though I live in Florida now, I know
> that I'll be traveling all over the country and weather is not always as
> pleasant in the north. So......how many have installed some sort of
> defrosting system in your RV (of any model)? Also who has the simplest
> method of implementing such a system (after 10 years of building I don't
> want to spend another six months just for this), and can you email a rough
> sketch or drawing? Thanks.
>
> Dean Psiropoulos
> RV-6A N197DM
> Close!!
>
>
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<DIV>What conditions makes this an issue? I've flown year round in PA and
haven't had a problem yet.</DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: "Mark Burns" <burnsm@suddenlink.net> <BR><BR>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Mark Burns" <BURNSM@SUDDENLINK.NET><BR>> <BR>> Dean, <BR>> Check out this thread on VAF. <BR>> <BR>> http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=13724&page=1&pp=10&hi <BR>> ghlight=defrost <BR>> <BR>> scroll down to my post :-) <BR>> <BR>> Mark Burns <BR>> RV-7A finishing <BR>> Louisiana <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> -----Original Message----- <BR>> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com <BR>> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DEAN PSIROPOULOS <BR>> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 10:01 PM <BR>> To: rv-list@matronics.com <BR>> Subject: RV-List: Defrost <BR>> <BR>> --> RV-List message posted by: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" <BR>> <DEAN.PSIROPOULOS@VERI
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T><BR>> <BR>> I'm finally down to the last 1% of the 90% that is left after
you are 90% <BR>> done. Consequently I'm getting ready to rivet the forward
top skin on my <BR>> RV-6A slider. But, before I do that, I'd like to know
the group's concensus <BR>> on cutting a couple slots in the skin and installing
a fan and ducts <BR>> underneath for a defrost system. Even though
I live in Florida now, I know <BR>> that I'll be traveling all over the country
and weather is not always as <BR>> pleasant in the north. So......how
many have installed some sort of <BR>> defrosting system in your RV (of any
model)? Also who has the simplest <BR>> method of implementing such a system
(after 10 years of building I don't <BR>> want to spend another six months
just for this), and can you email a rough <BR>> sketch or drawing? Thanks.
<BR>> <BR>> Dean Psiropoulos <BR>> RV-6A N197DM <BR>> Close!!
<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
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do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 8:50 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Transitioning Low-time Pilots (was: Cirrus - OT)
>
> All we have to offer are opinions....I'll offer mine then
> I guess.
>
> I was a 475 hour in many GA planes pilot when I flew my RV-10
> this past winter. Got 5 hours from Mike Seager. It was
> worthwhile getting the time, just to ensure you had some
> recent experience, supervised, in that make and model.
> I'm having a great time in the -10, as it flies and lands
> nicely.
>
> I think that the "speed factor" comments are probably part of
> the picture, and a definite complication with RV's. Don't
> bother defending them because they fly nice, they're still
> fast and easy to get behind. Mind you that this isn't
> ALWAYS the case...but it certainly CAN be. Currently I'm
> far away from home in El Paso for LOE. I've now taken the
> -10 to 3 of the 4 corners of the country. When your head is
> out the window in unfamiliar territory, and you're deciphering
> charts and getting vectors from controllers and being requested
> to report over "common" VFR points that you don't even know
> what or where they are, this speed becomes a factor. You're
> just plain a fish out of water. It's nothing to do with the
> plane, and all the pilot. Stick an even lower time pilot
> in a fast plane, in the complex airspace like a box canyon
> in New York....trying to sightsee at the same time, and
> make it a one-way box corridor and man, I see some
> possibilities. Part of the *problem* is the airspace and
> restrictions.....had it been a VFR corridor that was one-way
> only, defined with running altitudes and known GPS fixes,
> this might have been much prettier. Oh, and don't discount
> the weather that day. sure, the video I saw showed ok
> lateral viz, but it was drizzly and overcast that day. You
> can get many things taking your mind off from the flight.
>
> Now for one more twist... When have I felt the stupidest
> while flying? Probably when it was me and fellow VERY
> experienced (thousands of hours) pilot buddies, and we were
> just flying around VFR playing around. You have the
> tendency to be lax, and 2 pilots in the plane don't make
> it easier. I've felt the safest when flying IFR in hard
> conditions, with the same people by my side....so it's
> an attitude and attention thing, and I've personally seen
> how 2 heads can make worse decisions than one.
>
> Transition training, even only a minimal hour, should be a
> must. Recent experience in ANY plane is very valuable, so
> before first flights, get 5,10,20 recent hours under your
> belt...the more total time you have, the less recent required
> if you're like most people. Put on over 100 hours a year
> and you're likely to retain it very well for a few years.
>
> Sport pilot / Rec pilot? I'm not a fan. I really like the
> medical ideas, but the lack of overall training time sounds
> like a mess to me. To me, they're cheaper to fly so the
> goal could maybe be to let pilots get their 40 hours in
> cheaper planes, so it doesn't cost as much...but cutting the
> total to 20, well, lets just say there are times I wouldn't
> want to share the airspace with a 21 hour pilot who
> thinks they're ready. I'm now well over 600 and there
> are times that even with really good preflight prep that
> I could do better when I'm in unfamiliar places.
>
> The whole learn, buy a cirrus (or lancair, or rv-10, or...)
> and then pile it in, concept shouldn't be discounted too
> much either. A pocket of cash spent more on the toy than
> the time just isn't a good idea. Don't underestimate the
> value of *negative* experience in slower planes. I distinctly
> remember hopping the airports around MSP in a retract when I
> had only 75 or so TT and flying with another pilot. You're
> with your departure tower for 5 miles, have 2 miles until
> you must contact the other tower, and you're flying a faster
> plane than your trainer. I got turned around trying to
> visualize the runways as they told me to report over the
> "whatever" (that I had no clue what/where it was), and almost
> flew downwind to the wrong runway. It's when they bite
> your head off on the radio, and straighten you out, and
> you walk away only a little ego bruised that you start to
> gain "experience". The upside to living through the
> standard problems is the gain of experience....which is
> somewhat nice to get in slower, easy flying planes for
> a while.
>
> Remember that the insurance companies have mathematical
> reasons for setting rates, and pilot time and training
> requirements. Anyone priced insurance on a new SR22
> lately?
>
> It's not the plane, it's the pilot....same with our RV's.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> Bob Collins wrote:
>> Just projecting -- since I don't know for sure -- my guess is the big
>> difference in a trainer vs. an RV isn't the docile characteristics per
>> se, but the "speed factor." I assume things happen faster. Relating this
>> back to the Cirrus, I don't think it's an unsafe plane, I just think it's
>> probably a faster airplane. There are days when -- well, when I *was*
>> flying (I'm grounded at the moment) -- I'd find myself behind the old
>> truck and just oculdn't catch up. Can any of you who have transitioned
>> from a trainer to an RV report on that aspect of things?
>> Do not archive.
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
>> *Hopperdhh@aol.com
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 12, 2006 7:37 PM
>> *To:* rv-list@matronics.com
>> *Subject:* Re: RV-List: Transitioning Low-time Pilots (was: Cirrus - OT)
>>
>> Dwight,
>> While I agree that lots of transition training would be a good thing, I
>> flew my RV-7A with practically none. I landed a friends RV-6A from the
>> right seat one time and decided that I could fly the -7A that my wife and
>> I built, and I did. I had about 450 hours in Cessnas and Warriors, and
>> about 100 hours in a Grumman AA1C. The Grumman was a good "transition
>> trainer." The RV-7A is much more docile than that little devil.
>> ** *
>>
>>
>> *
>
>
>
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Dean,
I installed an avionics cooling fan with three output tubes. I ran one tube
to the radio/GPS (Garmin 530)another to my transponder and the third tube to
a small manifold which, through slits, blows a small amount of air on the
inside of the front of my canopy. The cooling fan is on my avionics bus and
runs all the time. I don't know if it helps defrost the canopy, but I can say
I have never had trouble with moisture inside the canopy. It was an easy
option. Come see it at Leeward Air Ranch this Saturday or catch me at Sun 'n
Fun.
Pete in Clearwater
RV-6, 2006 Sun 'n Fun Reserve Grand Champion
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| Subject: | Re: PAPSP - Pilot & Aircraft Proficiency & Safety Program (Was |
Safety)
I suspect that EAA though quieter has clout.
I think, that one way would be, that an Organization like, the
EAA, COULD MANAGE THE PROGRAM FOR THOSE INTERESTED IN SUCH.
I WOULD SAY AOPA, BUT, THEY HAVE SOME MANY THINGS TO DO, BESIDES
THEIR PAYINBG ADVERTISING, COMES FROM INSURANCE COMPANIES ETC..
BUT MAYBE NOT... CERTAINLY, AOPA, IS PERHAPS THE ONLY ORGANIZATION THAT
GET RESULTS, FOR OUR BENEFIT, EAA, DOES NOT HAVE THE CLOUT...
Sherman Butler
RV-7a Wings
Idaho Falls
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Anyone out there who's put an HIO helicopter engine in an RV?
If so, I'd love to hear the details. Feel free to email me off-list, if
desired.
Thanks,
Charlie
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| Subject: | Re: Real Men! Real Women! and REAL TAIL DRAGGERS! |
Bob - How was it to taxi? I do not have much experience with conventional landing
gear.
My Grumman AA1C was hard to taxi when the winds were above 25kts.
BTW ATC called out 40 gusting to 45 when I was on final with the Bonanza yesterday.
I taxied slowly, and the V-tail does not seem to weather vane much.
"Bob J." <rocketbob@gmail.com> wrote:
Coming home from SNF 2004, we landed on our airpark on runway 18. Wind from
nearby AWOS was from 250 at 29KTS gusting 38KTS. I remember it quite vividly.
I started on the right side of the runway and had the right wingtip almost
dragging the grass (I was watching it out of the corner of my eye.) Figured
I'd try it once and if it didn't go well then I'd go around and to the nearby
airport with runway 23 into the wind. Turned out to be a non-event, but the pucker
factor was high. Ended up towards the left side of the center of the runway
with full right aileron and lots of right rudder, half flaps. This was in
my "traditional gear" RV-6.
Doubt if you want but I have no reason to lie. The airplane is capable of doing
it.
Regards,
Bob Japundza
RV-6 flying F1 under const.
Do Not archive
Sherman Butler
RV-7a Wings
Idaho Falls
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| Subject: | Garmin GNS 430 WAAS Upgrade Questions |
From Garmin I learned the following (hopefully all is correct)
1) Turnaround time is one week
2) Terrain/obstacle functionality is included in the $1500 price. Price
may increase some time next year (TBD).
3) Primary nav software may be out 3rd quarter of 2007
4) New antenna and coax are included
5) Retains the current mounting tray
6) May require autopilot wiring change/addition
>From Jeppesen the database renewals use the same JSUM software and
Skybound adapter. Annual cost increases from $375 to $410
My question from anyone who has made the upgrade is it really a remove
and replace situation? Will it still drive my Trio wing leveler
autopilot with no wiring changes? Is the possible autpipilot wiring
change if you have altitude autopilot? Any other issues that may affect
a decision to upgrade?
Ron Lee
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Thanks to everyone who emailed on and off the list about installing a
defrost system in my RV. I'll pour over the wealth of data I've received
and decide on a course of action. Just when you think you're done with
fabrication tasks...........:-)
Dean
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| Subject: | Re: Real Men! Real Women! and REAL TAIL DRAGGERS! |
Hi Sherman, I got on the brakes fairly hard to get slowed down as fast as I
could, so I taxiied in at a very slow speed with full right aileron. I
don't really remember weathervaning much, but I do remember being very happy
that I was able to make that landing, the ride home was on the borderline of
being painful. It was so bumpy on the way down from altitude and down low
that I had to slow down to about 130KTS about 50 miles out, which I don't
have to do often being a flat-lander.
To be honest flying a tailwheel airplane has become second nature to me, I
don't put much thought into where the little wheel is. I've flown the A
models and to be honest, never felt like they were any easier or took less
effort to land. Just my .$.02.
Regards,
Bob Japundza
RV-6 flying F1 under const.
do not archive
On 4/10/07, Sherman Butler <lsbrv7a@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Bob - How was it to taxi? I do not have much experience with conventional
> landing gear.
> My Grumman AA1C was hard to taxi when the winds were above 25kts.
>
> BTW ATC called out 40 gusting to 45 when I was on final with the Bonanza
> yesterday. I taxied slowly, and the V-tail does not seem to weather vane
> much.
>
> *"Bob J." <rocketbob@gmail.com>* wrote:
>
> Coming home from SNF 2004, we landed on our airpark on runway 18. Wind
> from nearby AWOS was from 250 at 29KTS gusting 38KTS. I remember it quite
> vividly. I started on the right side of the runway and had the right
> wingtip almost dragging the grass (I was watching it out of the corner of my
> eye.) Figured I'd try it once and if it didn't go well then I'd go around
> and to the nearby airport with runway 23 into the wind. Turned out to be a
> non-event, but the pucker factor was high. Ended up towards the left side
> of the center of the runway with full right aileron and lots of right
> rudder, half flaps. This was in my "traditional gear" RV-6.
>
> Doubt if you want but I have no reason to lie. The airplane is capable of
> doing it.
>
> Regards,
> Bob Japundza
> RV-6 flying F1 under const.
>
> Do Not archive
>
>
> Sherman Butler
> RV-7a Wings
> Idaho Falls
>
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