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1. 04:37 AM - Sun N'Fun "Must haves"? (Garry)
2. 05:07 AM - Re: Sun N'Fun "Must haves"? (Jamie Painter)
3. 05:24 AM - Re: Sun N'Fun (Ralph E. Capen)
4. 07:42 AM - Re: Sun N'Fun "Must haves"? (bill shook)
5. 08:22 AM - Re: User Fees and Patriotism (Joseph Larson)
6. 08:34 AM - Re: User Fees and Patriotism (Bob Collins)
7. 11:54 AM - Re: User Fees and Patriotism (Jim Fogarty at Lakes & Leisure Realty)
8. 11:59 AM - Re: User Fees and Patriotism (Mickey Coggins)
9. 12:20 PM - Re: User Fees and Patriotism (Bob)
10. 12:24 PM - Re: User Fees and Patriotism (Chuck Jensen)
11. 01:06 PM - Re: User Fees and Patriotism ()
12. 01:07 PM - Re: User Fees and Patriotism (Kevin Horton)
13. 01:21 PM - Re: User Fees and Patriotism (Joseph Larson)
14. 01:46 PM - Re: User Fees and Patriotism (Rob Prior)
15. 01:46 PM - Re: User Fees and Patriotism (Terry Watson)
16. 02:13 PM - Re: User Fees and Patriotism (fwd) (Tedd McHenry)
17. 02:57 PM - LASAR CHT with VM1000 (Ralph E. Capen)
18. 02:59 PM - Re: User Fees and Patriotism (Bob Collins)
19. 03:00 PM - Re: LASAR CHT with VM1000 (Ralph E. Capen)
20. 03:03 PM - LASAR CHT with VM1000 (Ralph E. Capen)
21. 03:30 PM - Re: User Fees and Patriotism (Joseph Larson)
22. 04:03 PM - Re: User Fees and Patriotism (Kevin Horton)
23. 04:15 PM - Re: User Fees and Patriotism (Bob Collins)
24. 06:07 PM - vans' upper main gear intersection fairings (sarg314)
25. 06:33 PM - What I Miss at SnF (Kyle Boatright)
26. 06:34 PM - Re: User Fees and Patriotism (Rob Prior)
27. 06:51 PM - Re: LASAR CHT with VM1000 (Dale Ensing)
28. 07:53 PM - Re: LASAR CHT with VM1000 (Ralph E. Capen)
29. 08:18 PM - Re: vans' upper main gear intersection fairings (Jim Jewell)
30. 09:57 PM - Re: User Fees and Patriotism (Vanremog@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Sun N'Fun "Must haves"? |
I spent a full day walking around the vendor booths at Sun N'Fun
yesterday, and found some interesting sales pitches. A few of the items
actually caught my interest............Air Wolf air/oil separator, GAMI
fuel injectors, and 4 into 1 Exhaust systems. I'd appreciate any
feedback from the group as to the value of these items, if indeed I
should even consider them, and what real world experience folks might
have with using them.
Garry Stout
RV-7A IO-360
Tampa, Florida
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| Subject: | Re: Sun N'Fun "Must haves"? |
On 4/18/07, Garry <garrys@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>
> I spent a full day walking around the vendor booths at Sun N'Fun
> yesterday, and found some interesting sales pitches. A few of the items
> actually caught my interest............Air Wolf air/oil separator, GAMI
> fuel injectors, and 4 into 1 Exhaust systems. I'd appreciate any feedback
> from the group as to the value of these items, if indeed I should even
> consider them, and what real world experience folks might have with using
> them.
>
Before plunking down a chunk of change for the 4-into-1 exhaust I would
double-check that it's doable with the nosegear leg/engine mount on your
-7A.
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Jamie
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Jamie D. Painter
RV-7A N622JP
http://rv.jpainter.org
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4 into one is a good idea - make sure you can still get heat if you live/fly where
it gets cold - be careful of your intake and landing gear configurations too.
I wanted one of these - but heater boxes won out for my 6A in the northeast.
The Air-Oil seperator is a real good one - that I'll probably eventually get too!
Don't know that I'd spend money on the GAMIjectors - I have AFP and it has replacable
ports - maybe I don't really know what I'm talking about on this one......
-----Original Message-----
>From: Garry <garrys@tampabay.rr.com>
>Sent: Apr 18, 2007 7:37 AM
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: Sun N'Fun "Must haves"?
>
>I spent a full day walking around the vendor booths at Sun N'Fun yesterday, and
found some interesting sales pitches. A few of the items actually caught my
interest............Air Wolf air/oil separator, GAMI fuel injectors, and 4
into 1 Exhaust systems. I'd appreciate any feedback from the group as to the
value of these items, if indeed I should even consider them, and what real world
experience folks might have with using them.
>
>Garry Stout
>RV-7A IO-360
>Tampa, Florida
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sun N'Fun "Must haves"? |
> Before plunking down a chunk of change for the 4-into-1 exhaust I would
> double-check that it's doable with the nosegear leg/engine mount on your
> -7A.
>From what I've heard, it would be better to just move that wheel to the rear.
I'm told
that this change also helps level the human body such that it naturally produces
more
testosterone. Also, just the name "nosegear" just sounds backwards. Gear...hanging
from your nose? I don't get it, makes me want to reach for a hanky.
Yeah, get your 4 into 1. Move the nose gear to the rear.
Bill
-4 stalled
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| Subject: | Re: User Fees and Patriotism |
Maybe rather than listening to the Republicans about what the
Democrats are saying, or listening to the Democrats about what the
Republicans are saying, we should listen to each side and then decide
if what they're saying is in line with how they're voting.
Politicians lie. Politicians especially lie about their opposition.
I form my opinion about a particular politician primarily based on
what he says and what he does. I pay attention to what others say
about him, too, but I take all that with a huge grain of salt.
There *are* good people to vote for -- in both parties.
-Joe
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On Apr 17, 2007, at 10:51 PM, Vanremog@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 4/17/2007 1:58:33 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> jpl@showpage.org writes:
> I think everyone concerned about this issue should take it into
> consideration in upcoming elections over the next couple of years.
> ========================================
>
> And how is that supposed to help? We were told by the Republicans
> that the bad Democrats wanted the user fees, but that they would
> preserve our god given right to fly, so many voted for Republicans
> in the last few elections. That sure worked well.
>
> GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 842hrs, Silicon Valley, CA)
>
>
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| Subject: | User Fees and Patriotism |
Although I really can't wait for my Flying magazine subscription to expire
(you know, I'm just not interested in VLJs or the Citation Mustang or even
the Cirrus, or Dick Whatsisnames spiffy new GPS that costs more than sending
kids to four years of private school), I do think Mac (From the right Seat)
had a good approach to this issue. It's entirely likely that the best way
to approach this is to stress that we'll be handing over our nation's skies
to a corporation. That's an interesting concept since the sky -- even for
people who don't fly -- is a symbol of freedom and openness... and maybe
there should be something in this country that isn't owned by a corporation.
I think that argument might resonate with people who couldn't give a hoot
about how much people who can afford to fly in the first place have to pay.
As for politics and politicians..... well, I cover 'em for a
living...so....umm... hey, how about those RV airplanes, eh? (g)
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Larson
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: User Fees and Patriotism
Maybe rather than listening to the Republicans about what the Democrats are
saying, or listening to the Democrats about what the Republicans are saying,
we should listen to each side and then decide if what they're saying is in
line with how they're voting.
Politicians lie. Politicians especially lie about their opposition. I form
my opinion about a particular politician primarily based on what he says and
what he does. I pay attention to what others say about him, too, but I take
all that with a huge grain of salt.
There *are* good people to vote for -- in both parties.
-Joe
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On Apr 17, 2007, at 10:51 PM, Vanremog@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 4/17/2007 1:58:33 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
jpl@showpage.org writes:
I think everyone concerned about this issue should take it into
consideration in upcoming elections over the next couple of years.
========================================
And how is that supposed to help? We were told by the Republicans that the
bad Democrats wanted the user fees, but that they would preserve our god
given right to fly, so many voted for Republicans in the last few elections.
That sure worked well.
GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 842hrs, Silicon Valley, CA)
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| Subject: | Re: User Fees and Patriotism |
I believe the hard part for people to understand is how much commerce comes
to each local airport and cities across the USA as we fly around. This is
something each of us should be conveying at local airport events. We can do
this by telling people and or through our local publications. Just think of
the money that is spent this week for all the people traveling to Sun and
Fun. That's not just $100 hamburger. If someone fly's into Kentucky he or
she may like it there and someday come back or for that one landing buy
goods and services. It's all about the money, and we need to tell that to
our legislator's and our local business community.
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tedd McHenry" <tedd@vansairforce.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 3:11 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: User Fees and Patriotism
>
>> No matter what your political views may be, "Somebody has got to
>> Pay"! We are just debating who and how much.
>
> Bob:
>
> We already know that the debate is about who pays and how much they pay.
> After
> all, we're the ones doing the debating. What we'd like to know is what
> you
> think about THAT subject. There are lots of non-aviaion groups where you
> can
> discuss other stuff.
>
> Tedd McHenry
> Surrey, BC, Canada
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
> --
> 4:43 AM
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: User Fees and Patriotism |
> ... It's
> entirely likely that the best way to approach this is to stress that
> we'll be handing over our nation's skies to a corporation. That's an
> interesting concept since the sky -- even for people who don't fly -- is
> a symbol of freedom and openness... and maybe there should be something
> in this country that isn't owned by a corporation.
I think Bob has hit the nail squarely on the head. The reason we have a
harder and harder time distinguishing between the two major parties is
that they are both serving the same corporate masters, not "we the people".
Does anyone think for a minute that we'd have privatized FSS if there
was not a large corporation making massive contributions to various
politicians of both stripes?
I don't in any way blame the corporations for this behavior - they are
obliged to act in the best interest of their shareholders, and
influencing the government in their direction with cash contributions
provides an outstanding ROI. The problem is us - we allow this to happen.
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 finishing
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| Subject: | User Fees and Patriotism |
My point is that as long as soldiers in Iraq are using substandard
equipment and dying at a rate of 3-6 a day, I am all for (me
personally) paying user fees; if user fees will reduce the number of
US casualties or end the war sooner.
I feel that the $300+Billion we have spent in Iraq would have been
more than adequate to fund the entire FAA and ATC modernization program.
I can argue for or against the war, but I am a proponent of paying
for it now, rather than adding to the National Debt. If that means
user fees, I am all for it!
I get frustrated with people who support the war but want to cut the
taxes (stop user fees, etc.)!
Bob
At 03:11 PM 4/17/07, you wrote:
>
> > No matter what your political views may be, "Somebody has got to
> > Pay"! We are just debating who and how much.
>
>Bob:
>
>We already know that the debate is about who pays and how much they
>pay. After
>all, we're the ones doing the debating. What we'd like to know is what you
>think about THAT subject. There are lots of non-aviaion groups where you can
>discuss other stuff.
>
>Tedd McHenry
>Surrey, BC, Canada
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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| Subject: | User Fees and Patriotism |
Of course, there are those that will say that those thousands of people
flying to OSH are simply wasting tens of thousands of gallons of
gasoline and jet fuel that just makes us more dependent on foreign
suppliers. And that this great migration does little except burn
organic carbon fuel, further compounding the global warming problem for
no purpose other than a self-indulgent personal interest, past time and
hobby.
I'm sure OSH businesses think OSH is a great idea, but beyond those
local self interests, I doubt much emotion can be stirred. I may not
agree this perspective, but then, I'm a pilot. As always, it is in the
eye of the beholder.
Chuck Jensen
Jim Fogarty wrote..........
I believe the hard part for people to understand is how much commerce
comes
to each local airport and cities across the USA as we fly around. This
is
something each of us should be conveying at local airport events. We
can do
this by telling people and or through our local publications. Just
think of
the money that is spent this week for all the people traveling to Sun
and
Fun. That's not just $100 hamburger. If someone fly's into Kentucky
he or
she may like it there and someday come back or for that one landing buy
goods and services. It's all about the money, and we need to tell that
to
our legislator's and our local business community.
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: User Fees and Patriotism |
Could'nt have said it better.
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---- Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch> wrote:
>
> > ... It's
> > entirely likely that the best way to approach this is to stress that
> > we'll be handing over our nation's skies to a corporation. That's an
> > interesting concept since the sky -- even for people who don't fly -- is
> > a symbol of freedom and openness... and maybe there should be something
> > in this country that isn't owned by a corporation.
>
> I think Bob has hit the nail squarely on the head. The reason we have a
> harder and harder time distinguishing between the two major parties is
> that they are both serving the same corporate masters, not "we the people".
>
> Does anyone think for a minute that we'd have privatized FSS if there
> was not a large corporation making massive contributions to various
> politicians of both stripes?
>
> I don't in any way blame the corporations for this behavior - they are
> obliged to act in the best interest of their shareholders, and
> influencing the government in their direction with cash contributions
> provides an outstanding ROI. The problem is us - we allow this to happen.
>
>
> --
> Mickey Coggins
> http://www.rv8.ch/
> #82007 finishing
>
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: User Fees and Patriotism |
On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 10:33:48 -0500
"Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net> wrote:
> Although I really can't wait for my Flying magazine subscription to expire
> (you know, I'm just not interested in VLJs or the Citation Mustang or even
> the Cirrus, or Dick Whatsisnames spiffy new GPS that costs more than sending
> kids to four years of private school), I do think Mac (From the right Seat)
> had a good approach to this issue. It's entirely likely that the best way
> to approach this is to stress that we'll be handing over our nation's skies
> to a corporation. That's an interesting concept since the sky -- even for
> people who don't fly -- is a symbol of freedom and openness... and maybe
> there should be something in this country that isn't owned by a corporation.
>
> I think that argument might resonate with people who couldn't give a hoot
> about how much people who can afford to fly in the first place have to pay.
Sure. That'll work. Just like people would never stand for having roads or bridges
being owned by a corporation, and having to pay a toll to use them. The
automobile owning public would never stand for that, so I'm sure they will understand
why aircraft owners should be able to fly for "free".
Kevin Horton
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| Subject: | Re: User Fees and Patriotism |
Bob, I think one of the issues with user fees is that it's an
inefficient means of collecting funds. If the argument is that we
need additional funds to support the war, then we should be honest
about that, not act as if user fees are to pay for the FAA.
-Joe
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On Apr 18, 2007, at 3:15 PM, Bob wrote:
>
>
> My point is that as long as soldiers in Iraq are using substandard
> equipment and dying at a rate of 3-6 a day, I am all for (me
> personally) paying user fees; if user fees will reduce the number
> of US casualties or end the war sooner.
>
> I feel that the $300+Billion we have spent in Iraq would have been
> more than adequate to fund the entire FAA and ATC modernization
> program.
>
> I can argue for or against the war, but I am a proponent of paying
> for it now, rather than adding to the National Debt. If that means
> user fees, I am all for it!
>
> I get frustrated with people who support the war but want to cut
> the taxes (stop user fees, etc.)!
>
>
> Bob
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| Subject: | User Fees and Patriotism |
On 12:24 2007-04-18 "Chuck Jensen" <cjensen@dts9000.com> wrote:
> And that this great migration does little except burn
> organic carbon fuel, further compounding the global warming problem
> for no purpose other than a self-indulgent personal interest, past
> time and hobby.
And, truth be told, they wouldn't be wrong, either. But the same could be
said for the people who drive their RV's south to Florida for the winter,
or take their snowmobiles, dirtbikes, or ATV's into the wilderness, head
out on their boat, etc.
Unfortunately for us, engine technology hasn't changed a lot in the last 50
years. We're still flying behind Lycomings that remain largely unchanged
year over year. Compare/contrast that to the developments in engine
technology in motorcycles, boats, cars, etc. We're still running the
gas-guzzlers.
But it's not a reason to stop flying.
-Rob
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| Subject: | User Fees and Patriotism |
The late great Nobel winning economist Milton Friedman was known to say that
the government spends three dollars to do a one-dollar job. I would add that
they do that when they contract out the work; when they do it themselves
they spend more like five dollars to do a one dollar job, or more often a
job that doesn't need to be done in the first place. And when it does need
doing it would be done better by leaving it to those with a direct interest
in doing it.
Jeppesen started keeping notes so he could fly the mail (contracted from the
government) to distant towns when the weather was less than ideal. This
turned out to be a very valuable service -- so the government decided to do
it themselves. After all these years, Jeppesen still does a better job for a
competitive price. I wonder what those nearly "free" government approach
plates and charts really cost us.
Someone has to pay for an air traffic control system that keeps airplanes
from running into each other in areas of heavy traffic. I'm in favor of the
costs being paid by the beneficiaries, as I think most of us are. But most
of us also want that to be someone else. The airlines want it to be general
aviation; general aviation maintains that we need the system far less than
the airlines so they should pay. The political system makes this a contest
of political power rather than reason.
Maybe the problem is that we have allowed the government to amass way too
much control over our lives, which the "in" crowd trades among themselves as
if it were stocks or bonds. You don't need an advanced degree and thousands
of pages of regulations and tens of thousands of regulators to fly a small
airplane safely. Maybe fighting over who pays for all that is fighting the
wrong battle.
As for all those evil corporations, a corporation is just a legal entity
made up of individuals for some specific purpose. If you want to blame all
the ills of the world on corporations, you must also to be fair recognize
that virtually all the products we use, from clothing to entertainment to
food and drugs and airplane kits would not be possible without the legal
entity of corporations. Try to buy your next gallon of gas from a vertically
integrated small unincorporated fuel supplier. Try to send your next email
without using the services of a corporation. It's fine and fair to dislike
wrongdoing by any individual or organization. It's bigotry to identify them
only by their legal structure or skin color, religion, or whatever
convenient but irrelevant attribute.
Terry
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| Subject: | Re: User Fees and Patriotism (fwd) |
> I believe the hard part for people to understand is how much commerce comes
> to each local airport and cities across the USA as we fly around. This is
> something each of us should be conveying at local airport events. We can do
> this by telling people and or through our local publications.
What if we could find a way to make that statement through customer reward
programs, such as credit card points? Wouldn't it be great if businesses
around airports could see exactly how much of their revenue comes from people
associated with GA?
Tedd McHenry
Surrey, BC, Canada
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| Subject: | LASAR CHT with VM1000 |
Fellow listers,
I'm back to the last few electrical connections foreward of the firewall.
Here's one without any instructions (so far that I have):
My LASAR unit came with a double-wired CHT transducer - the correct type for my
VM1000.
The SL1-96 upgrade bulletin that came with it doesn't specify the wiring in enough
detail - so I'm asking those of you that have this setup running for help.
Here's what I was planning to do so far:
The transducer gets installed in the #3 cylinder head as it has been documented
as the hottest. I'm leaving the wiring long enough that I can relocate the transducer
later if necessary though.
The CHT has two sets of wires, one with a brown sheath (same color - different
material as the VM1000 CHT wiring), which I was planning to connect to my VM1000
wiring harness - red to red and white to white. The other set has a white
with red striped sheath and I was planning to connect that set to the LASAR harness
- white to white and red to purple.
I sent Unison a request for tech support to their piston mailbox - haven't gotten
a response yet.
I didn't find anything in the archives - which may mean that I didn't look for
the correct string.
Anyone out there got this configuration working? How did you do it?
Thanks,
Ralph E. Capen
RV6AQB Slider N822AR @ N06 Moving towards getting the big three bladed fan running!
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| Subject: | Re: User Fees and Patriotism |
khorton01(at)rogers.com wrote:
> Sure. That'll work. Just like people would never stand for having roads or
bridges being owned by a corporation, and having to pay a toll to use them. The
automobile owning public would never stand for that, so I'm sure they will
understand why aircraft owners should be able to fly for "free".
>
> Kevin Horton
Let me take another stab at it then. The strategy is that we equate open skies
with..well... America. You know, flag and bald eagles and all of that . Sure,
it's a marketing ploy, but if we can get a bunch of folks over to "our" side on
the strength of a concept as opposed to trying to win some battle of the spreadsheets,
well, isn't that the idea?
--------
Bob Collins
St. Paul, Minn.
RV Builder's Hotline (free!)
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| Subject: | Re: LASAR CHT with VM1000 |
Fellow listers,
I'm back to the last few electrical connections foreward of the firewall.
Here's one without any instructions (so far that I have):
My LASAR unit came with a double-wired CHT transducer - the correct type for my
VM1000.
The SL1-96 upgrade bulletin that came with it doesn't specify the wiring in enough
detail - so I'm asking those of you that have this setup running for help.
Here's what I was planning to do so far:
The transducer gets installed in the #3 cylinder head as it has been documented
as the hottest. I'm leaving the wiring long enough that I can relocate the transducer
later if necessary though.
The CHT has two sets of wires, one with a brown sheath (same color - different
material as the VM1000 CHT wiring), which I was planning to connect to my VM1000
wiring harness - red to red and white to white. The other set has a white
with red striped sheath and I was planning to connect that set to the LASAR harness
- white to white and red to purple.
I sent Unison a request for tech support to their piston mailbox - haven't gotten
a response yet.
I didn't find anything in the archives - which may mean that I didn't look for
the correct string.
Anyone out there got this configuration working? How did you do it?
Thanks,
Ralph E. Capen
RV6AQB Slider N822AR @ N06 Moving towards getting the big three bladed fan running!
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| Subject: | LASAR CHT with VM1000 |
Fellow listers,
I'm back to the last few electrical connections foreward of the firewall.
Here's one without any instructions (so far that I have):
My LASAR unit came with a double-wired CHT transducer - the correct type for my
VM1000.
The SL1-96 upgrade bulletin that came with it doesn't specify the wiring in enough
detail - so I'm asking those of you that have this setup running for help.
Here's what I was planning to do so far:
The transducer gets installed in the #3 cylinder head as it has been documented
as the hottest. I'm leaving the wiring long enough that I can relocate the transducer
later if necessary though.
The CHT has two sets of wires, one with a brown sheath (same color - different
material as the VM1000 CHT wiring), which I was planning to connect to my VM1000
wiring harness - red to red and white to white. The other set has a white
with red striped sheath and I was planning to connect that set to the LASAR harness
- white to white and red to purple.
I sent Unison a request for tech support to their piston mailbox - haven't gotten
a response yet.
I didn't find anything in the archives - which may mean that I didn't look for
the correct string.
Anyone out there got this configuration working? How did you do it?
Thanks,
Ralph E. Capen
RV6AQB Slider N822AR @ N06 Moving towards getting the big three bladed fan running!
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| Subject: | Re: User Fees and Patriotism |
Terry,
I agree with the second paragraph below. I've gotten tired of
"corporate profits" being a dirty word. WIthout profits, the
corporation wouldn't exist, the jobs wouldn't exist, and the products/
services wouldn't exist.
But I think I disagree with the last sentence I retained from the
first paragraph. I'm more than happy to pay my fair share. And I
don't know if I'm currently doing that through fuel taxes and the
other aviation-related fees I already pay. I think most pilots would
agree with me.
My experience with other pilots is that we're accustomed to taking
responsibility for ourselves. While we're more than happy to fly on
someone else's dollar, it's not something we expect, and we pay our
own way through life. I've never met a pilot I thought was just
hoping for a free ride through life.
I think instead that private pilots pretty much universally agree
with these statements:
-Those who benefit from the ATC system should pay for it
-No one should have to pay for more than their fair share
-But we don't want the payment system to discourage safe flying
practices
The last two points tend to work against each other.
-J
On Apr 18, 2007, at 3:46 PM, Terry Watson wrote:
> Someone has to pay for an air traffic control system that keeps
> airplanes
> from running into each other in areas of heavy traffic. I'm in
> favor of the
> costs being paid by the beneficiaries, as I think most of us are.
> But most
> of us also want that to be someone else.
>
> As for all those evil corporations, a corporation is just a legal
> entity
> made up of individuals for some specific purpose. If you want to
> blame all
> the ills of the world on corporations, you must also to be fair
> recognize
> that virtually all the products we use, from clothing to
> entertainment to
> food and drugs and airplane kits would not be possible without the
> legal
> entity of corporations.
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| Subject: | Re: User Fees and Patriotism |
>
> Unfortunately for us, engine technology hasn't changed a lot in the
> last 50
> years. We're still flying behind Lycomings that remain largely
> unchanged
> year over year. Compare/contrast that to the developments in engine
> technology in motorcycles, boats, cars, etc. We're still running the
> gas-guzzlers.
Which in-production gasoline-powered cars have a brake specific fuel
consumption lower than a fuel-injected Lycoming running lean of
peak? With references please.
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
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| Subject: | Re: User Fees and Patriotism |
jpl(at)showpage.org wrote:
>
> -Those who benefit from the ATC system should pay for it
> -No one should have to pay for more than their fair share
> -But we don't want the payment system to discourage safe flying
> practices
And let's remember that the largest user of ATC is the airlines. The reason that
Class Bs exist, is the airlines.
I'm not about to jump on the "I love corporations" bandwagon, but I don't recommend
stoning their offices either.
However, after 9/11, American taxpayers gave a huge bailout to airlines, many of
whom still gave their execs huge bonuses, and many of which were bleeding red
ink BEFORE 9/11. In Minnesota, we gave a HUGE public subsidy to keep NOrthwest
Airlines flying in the early 90s. We the taxpayers, subsidized an Airbus maintenance
base for them that now sits empty in Duluth, all the mechanics jobs
have disappeared when they refused to accept even more concessions, and Northwest
outsourced their jobs, including overseas.
So when I hear and read all the nonsense from THESE corporations about how private
pilots aren't paying their fair share, well, they should at least have the
common sense to shut their pieholes, because there are few industries better
at asking American taxpayers for something for nothing than this nation's airlines.
We just need to remind them that the skies of America belong to Americans. Not
to I'mBillingYouOnBehalfOfOurAirlinesForUsingYourSkies.com.
--------
Bob Collins
St. Paul, Minn.
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| Subject: | vans' upper main gear intersection fairings |
I just noticed the upper main gear intersection fairings in van's
catalog. I have all my other fairings and wasn't looking forward to
making these. But I'm building an RV-6A and the catalog identifies them
only as RV-7A fairings. I called van's and they said they hand't tried
them on a 6A. I would guess that they fit a 6A as well as they fit a 7A
(however well that is).
Has anyone out there with a 6A tried the Van's Upper Main gear
intersection fairings for the 7A? Do they fit?
I'm told Fairings etc. sells good ones, but they're twice as expensive.
Thanks for any info.
--
Tom Sargent, RV-6A
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| Subject: | What I Miss at SnF |
One thing that was always inspiring to me was the Sun 100. You got up
early on the Friday (?) of the show and watched the pilots roll out
their aircraft, all polished, with seams taped, a few "luxury" items
like VOR antennae and tailwheel springs deleted, and race numbers taped
on the side. They lined up from fastest to slowest, and then off they
went.
A 350 horse Venture leaving prop contrails, an RV-4 flying all the way
down the runway in ground effect before beginning his climb, a couple of
folks in KR-2's and Sonerais screaming after them a few minutes later,
and last, but not least, a Kitfox or some other not-particularly fast
airplane going out just to see how fast 80 hp will push a big winged,
strutted Sunday flyer around a 100 mile course.
Twenty minutes later, the fast airplanes are back. The Ventures, the
Swearingens, and the Glasair III's buzzing overhead at 500' and maybe
350 mph, having traded a few feet of altitude for more speed. In
another minute, the 4 cylinder Glasairs and Lancairs arrive, with the
fast RV's and Rockets mixed in, followed by the slower RV's, which are
"only" doing 200 mph or so as the cross the finish line. A little while
later, the KR's and Sonerais buzz by too, followed by pokey in his
Kitfox.
And the amazing thing is that these people built all of these beautiful,
fast airplanes in workshops and garages spread from one coast to
another. It gave me chill bumps every time.
KB
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| Subject: | Re: User Fees and Patriotism |
On 16:02 2007-04-18 Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com> wrote:
> > year over year. Compare/contrast that to the developments in
> > engine technology in motorcycles, boats, cars, etc. We're still
> > running the gas-guzzlers.
>
> Which in-production gasoline-powered cars have a brake specific fuel
> consumption lower than a fuel-injected Lycoming running lean of
> peak? With references please.
I probably should have said "We're still running the gas-guzzlers, as far
as the general public is concerned." There are Hybrid SUV's now that get
gas mileage as good as a large, non-hybrid sedan, but people still lump all
SUV's into one category, hybrid or not.
But are you saying that Lycomings don't need improvement? Can't be
improved? Shouldn't be improved? Just because they're already pretty
good, that's no reason to just sit by and tell everyone else to pull up
their socks. "The problem isn't aircraft engines, it's everyone else!"
Imagine how far that would go in a public debate.
Public perception of private aircraft owners is that we're a bunch of rich
playboys, doing whatever we want. Much like the SUV market. Sticking our
head in the sand won't make the outcry about frivolous pollution go away.
-Rob
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| Subject: | Re: LASAR CHT with VM1000 |
Ralph
I have the dual 'J' probe assembly (M5340-03) Your plan for mating the
wires is correct. The candy stripe set goes to the LASAR- purple to the red
of the CHT probe and white to white of the CH"T probe. The brown set goes to
the engine monitor - white to white; red to red.
Dale Ensing
RV-6A
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
"RV10-list" <rv10-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 5:56 PM
Subject: RV-List: LASAR CHT with VM1000
>
> Fellow listers,
>
> I'm back to the last few electrical connections foreward of the firewall.
>
> Here's one without any instructions (so far that I have):
>
> My LASAR unit came with a double-wired CHT transducer - the correct type
> for my VM1000.
>
> The SL1-96 upgrade bulletin that came with it doesn't specify the wiring
> in enough detail - so I'm asking those of you that have this setup running
> for help.
>
> Here's what I was planning to do so far:
>
> The transducer gets installed in the #3 cylinder head as it has been
> documented as the hottest. I'm leaving the wiring long enough that I can
> relocate the transducer later if necessary though.
>
> The CHT has two sets of wires, one with a brown sheath (same color -
> different material as the VM1000 CHT wiring), which I was planning to
> connect to my VM1000 wiring harness - red to red and white to white. The
> other set has a white with red striped sheath and I was planning to
> connect that set to the LASAR harness - white to white and red to purple.
>
> I sent Unison a request for tech support to their piston mailbox - haven't
> gotten a response yet.
> I didn't find anything in the archives - which may mean that I didn't look
> for the correct string.
>
> Anyone out there got this configuration working? How did you do it?
>
> Thanks,
> Ralph E. Capen
> RV6AQB Slider N822AR @ N06 Moving towards getting the big three bladed fan
> running!
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: LASAR CHT with VM1000 |
Thanks - good to know that my Jarhead common sense strikes again!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dale Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 9:50 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: LASAR CHT with VM1000
>
> Ralph
> I have the dual 'J' probe assembly (M5340-03) Your plan for mating the
> wires is correct. The candy stripe set goes to the LASAR- purple to the
> red of the CHT probe and white to white of the CH"T probe. The brown set
> goes to the engine monitor - white to white; red to red.
> Dale Ensing
> RV-6A
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
> To: "RV6 list" <rv6-list@matronics.com>; "rv-list"
> <rv-list@matronics.com>; "RV10-list" <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 5:56 PM
> Subject: RV-List: LASAR CHT with VM1000
>
>
>>
>> Fellow listers,
>>
>> I'm back to the last few electrical connections foreward of the firewall.
>>
>> Here's one without any instructions (so far that I have):
>>
>> My LASAR unit came with a double-wired CHT transducer - the correct type
>> for my VM1000.
>>
>> The SL1-96 upgrade bulletin that came with it doesn't specify the wiring
>> in enough detail - so I'm asking those of you that have this setup
>> running for help.
>>
>> Here's what I was planning to do so far:
>>
>> The transducer gets installed in the #3 cylinder head as it has been
>> documented as the hottest. I'm leaving the wiring long enough that I can
>> relocate the transducer later if necessary though.
>>
>> The CHT has two sets of wires, one with a brown sheath (same color -
>> different material as the VM1000 CHT wiring), which I was planning to
>> connect to my VM1000 wiring harness - red to red and white to white. The
>> other set has a white with red striped sheath and I was planning to
>> connect that set to the LASAR harness - white to white and red to purple.
>>
>> I sent Unison a request for tech support to their piston mailbox -
>> haven't gotten a response yet.
>> I didn't find anything in the archives - which may mean that I didn't
>> look for the correct string.
>>
>> Anyone out there got this configuration working? How did you do it?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Ralph E. Capen
>> RV6AQB Slider N822AR @ N06 Moving towards getting the big three bladed
>> fan running!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: vans' upper main gear intersection fairings |
Hi Tom,
I can not speak from experience either for or against the Van's intersection
fairings. I have had a couple of friends express that they put a lot of
effort into making them work.
I can speak to the fit and finish of the 6A fairings made by Bob at Fairings
Etc..
His product came very close to final fit right out of the box. In general I
found his instruction sheets simple, clear and concise. I spent some time
and effort making slight modifications. I did so primarily because I tend to
be a wee bit anal about such things. Hmmm, do yah think maybe that had
something to do with the 10 year build time {[B-).
Bob's Fairings may be a bit pricey ?.. but the value was there for me. I
attribute much of the compliments I get to his product.
Starting and finishing are all part of getting there,
Jim in Kelowna - The new governor works great, serious test flying now under
way.
----- Original Message -----
From: "sarg314" <sarg314@comcast.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 6:06 PM
Subject: RV-List: vans' upper main gear intersection fairings
>
> I just noticed the upper main gear intersection fairings in van's catalog.
> I have all my other fairings and wasn't looking forward to making these.
> But I'm building an RV-6A and the catalog identifies them only as RV-7A
> fairings. I called van's and they said they hand't tried them on a 6A. I
> would guess that they fit a 6A as well as they fit a 7A (however well that
> is).
>
> Has anyone out there with a 6A tried the Van's Upper Main gear
> intersection fairings for the 7A? Do they fit?
>
> I'm told Fairings etc. sells good ones, but they're twice as expensive.
>
> Thanks for any info.
> --
> Tom Sargent, RV-6A
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: User Fees and Patriotism |
In a message dated 4/18/2007 11:56:58 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
jfogarty@tds.net writes:
I believe the hard part for people to understand is how much commerce comes
to each local airport and cities across the USA as we fly around. This is
something each of us should be conveying at local airport events. We can do
this by telling people and or through our local publications. Just think of
the money that is spent this week for all the people traveling to Sun and
Fun. That's not just $100 hamburger. If someone fly's into Kentucky he or
she may like it there and someday come back or for that one landing buy
goods and services. It's all about the money, and we need to tell that to
our legislator's and our local business community.
==================================================
Maybe this is how the AOPA should spin their AOPA Credit Card service, the
"I AM A PILOT WHO JUST FLEW IN AND LEFT THESE DOLLARS IN YOUR COMMUNITY" card.
Seriously, this is the best way to ear-mark pilot dollars. Don't use
cash, always charge it on the PILOT CARD.
GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 842hrs, Silicon Valley, CA)
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