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1. 05:53 AM - Re: Re: User Fees and Patriotism (Joe Larson)
2. 06:00 AM - Re: RV-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 04/21/07 (Francis Malczynski)
3. 07:41 AM - RV Advice, one leg flyer (Carl Bell)
4. 08:39 AM - Re: RV Advice, one leg flyer (Bob Collins)
5. 08:42 AM - Re: RV Advice, one leg flyer (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
6. 09:10 AM - Re: RV Advice, one leg flyer (David Leonard)
7. 09:35 AM - ELT Misfire.. Main solenoid (David Leonard)
8. 10:14 AM - Re: RV Advice, one leg flyer (Vanremog@aol.com)
9. 10:47 AM - Re: RV Advice, one leg flyer (Carl Bell)
10. 10:52 AM - Re: RV Advice, one leg flyer (Carl Bell)
11. 11:02 AM - Re: Re: RV-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 04/21/07 (Richard E. Tasker)
12. 11:05 AM - Re: RV Advice, one leg flyer (Carl Bell)
13. 02:25 PM - Re: RV Advice, one leg flyer (Bob Leffler)
14. 02:37 PM - RV-8 Wings officially started! (Stephanie Marshall)
15. 03:07 PM - Torque Values for Sensors and other not nuts and bolts stuff ? (Bill Schlatterer)
16. 05:44 PM - Re: Torque Values for Sensors and other not nuts and bolts stuff ? (Vanremog@AOL.COM)
17. 07:24 PM - Wing Jacks (Bobby Hester)
18. 07:46 PM - Re: Wing Jacks (Mark/Kara Phillips)
19. 07:55 PM - Re: Wing Jacks (Bobby Hester)
20. 07:59 PM - RV-7 engine/prop options (Charlie England)
21. 09:49 PM - Re: RV Advice, one leg flyer (David Leonard)
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| Subject: | Re: User Fees and Patriotism |
True, except Greenland and Antarctica both are solid ground with ice
over the top. So we WILL be adding water to the oceans.
-J
On Apr 22, 2007, at 1:41 AM, Brandon Rigio wrote:
> <brandon.rigio@kodak.com>
>
> I don't think we are dropping in another handful. If you have a glass
> of water with the floating ice piled over the top of the glass and the
> water level at the brim, as the ice melts the level in the glass wont
> change.
>
> The ice is less dense than water so it displaces its mass in water,
> not
> its volume, that's why it floats. Melt every bit of ice floating
> in the
> oceans, and most of it is floating, and we wouldn't even notice it.
>
> My $.02
>
> Brandon
>
> Do not archive
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| Subject: | RE: RV-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 04/21/07 |
Not yet, it's on my list
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1. 06:08 AM - Gene Pool (Chuck Jensen)
2. 07:29 AM - Re: Vans vs. Bobs Fairings (gbrasch)
3. 07:57 AM - Re: User Fees and Patriotism (Kenyon Brooks)
4. 08:16 AM - Re: Re: User Fees and Patriotism (Konrad L. Werner)
5. 08:29 AM - Re:Govenor oil leak (Jerry2DT@aol.com)
6. 08:35 AM - Re: Vans vs. Bobs Fairings (smittysrv)
7. 09:20 AM - Re: Re: User Fees and Patriotism (Andy Gold)
8. 09:58 AM - Re: Re: User Fees and Patriotism (ronlee@pcisys.net)
9. 01:17 PM - Re: Looking for advice (DAR IS OUT TO LUNCH, 100% WRONG)
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10. 01:30 PM - Liberalism and it's victims Re: User Fees and Patriotism
(luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky))
11. 02:55 PM - Re: Liberalism and it's victims Re: User Fees and
Patriotism (Bob Collins)
12. 03:21 PM - Re: Liberalism and it's victims Re: User Fees and
Patriotism (n801bh@netzero.com)
13. 09:27 PM - Re: Looking for advice / registering the plane (glen
matejcek)
14. 11:38 PM - Re: Re: User Fees and Patriotism (Brandon Rigio)
15. 11:54 PM - Re: Re: Vans vs. Bobs Fairings (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
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Time: 06:08:52 AM PST US
Subject: RV-List: Gene Pool
From: "Chuck Jensen" <cjensen@dts9000.com>
Things like this gives GA a bad reputation, but it does serve to improve
the gene pool.
http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?ContentBlockID=d5b17368-baec-4ff1-9b
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Chuck Jensen
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Time: 07:29:00 AM PST US
Subject: RV-List: Re: Vans vs. Bobs Fairings
From: "gbrasch" <gbrasch@earthlink.net>
When I saw the fit of Bob's on a friends -9, I ordered, they are great!
--------
Glenn Brasch
RV-9A Finishing #90623, O-360
Tucson, Arizona
Van's Aircraft Belt Buckles
http://home.earthlink.net/~gbrasch/
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Time: 07:57:29 AM PST US
From: Kenyon Brooks <kenbrooks@charter.net>
Subject: RV-List: Re: User Fees and Patriotism
Melting ice caps and rising sea levels? Maybe I'm missing something
here, but does your ice tea glass overflow when the ice melts?
I guess I just like to stir the pot! ;-)
Do not archive
Oh, by the way. . . would you listers please truncate your posts and
not copy every blasted thing from other posts that you're
referencing??? I enjoy reading what you have to say, but not what
everyone else had to say OVER AND OVER. Most of us know how to use
the list -- we can make the connection.
Ken Brooks
RV-8 Finishing
Roscoe, IL
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Time: 08:16:01 AM PST US
From: "Konrad L. Werner" <klwerner@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: User Fees and Patriotism
Only overflows if the ice in your tea sticks somewhat out into the air,
and when it melts you'll have a flood. Otherwise one could not see the
proverbial "tip" of the iceberg!
Melting ice caps and rising sea levels? Maybe I'm missing something
here, but does your ice tea glass overflow when the ice melts? I guess I
just like to stir the pot! ;-)
Do not archive
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Time: 08:29:40 AM PST US
From: Jerry2DT@aol.com
Subject: RV-List: Re:Govenor oil leak
I had the same problem with MT governor. First, tightened nuts at upper end
of torque limits. No joy. Removed governor, gasket looked fine, cleaned
everything, put thin film of Red RTV on surfaces, torqued using "armstrong
method". No more leaks.
HTH.
Jerry Cochran
RV-6a N18XP 11 hrs.
Time: 05:27:49 PM PST US
From: RSamuelson@aol.com
Subject: RV-List: Govenor oil leak
I have a new O-360 and the Jihostroj prop governor. I have a persistent oil
leak that appears to be coming from the gasket between the governor and the
engine. I changed the gasket once and my mechanic changed it a second time.
The
leak seems to be at the top of the joint and oil dribbles on down various
hoses and wires and exits at the lower cowl.
Anyone else have the problem?
Roy Samuelson
RV7A at Oakland CA
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Time: 08:35:18 AM PST US
Subject: RV-List: Re: Vans vs. Bobs Fairings
From: "smittysrv" <smitty@smittysrv.com>
Does anybody know a website address or email to contact these guys about
there
cowls? I'd like to find out more about them.
Thanks!
--------
Smittys RV-9A
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Time: 09:20:16 AM PST US
From: "Andy Gold" <andygold@rkymtnhi.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: User Fees and Patriotism
If your glass is full of ice and water and you drop in another handfull of
ice it will overflow; right? So on a global scale, as the ocean is now full
(at least in relation to beach front communities from Miami to Venice to
Beijing). The extra handfull of ice is that which is now above water making
up the Antarctic and Greenland caps and numerous glaciers all over.
Andy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kenyon Brooks" <kenbrooks@charter.net>
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 8:56 AM
Subject: RV-List: Re: User Fees and Patriotism
>
> Melting ice caps and rising sea levels? Maybe I'm missing something
> here, but does your ice tea glass overflow when the ice melts?
>
> I guess I just like to stir the pot! ;-)
>
> Do not archive
>
> Oh, by the way. . . would you listers please truncate your posts and not
> copy every blasted thing from other posts that you're referencing??? I
> enjoy reading what you have to say, but not what everyone else had to say
> OVER AND OVER. Most of us know how to use the list -- we can make the
> connection.
>
> Ken Brooks
> RV-8 Finishing
> Roscoe, IL
>
>
________________________________ Message 8
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Time: 09:58:36 AM PST US
From: ronlee@pcisys.net
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: User Fees and Patriotism
> If your glass is full of ice and water and you drop in another handfull
of ice it will overflow; right? So on a global scale, as the ocean is
now full (at least in relation to beach front communities from Miami to
Venice to Beijing). The extra handfull of ice is that which is now above
water making up the Antarctic and Greenland caps and numerous glaciers
all over.
If you folks really believe that mankind is doing anything substantial to
negatively impact climate, then please quit driving cars, flying
airplanes and revert back to an agrarian/hunter lifestyle living in caves
or huts. Please note that Earth's climate has changed substantially over
the millenia even when man was not a factor.
If you want to believe this non-science that is fine but keep your lack
of knowledge of anything but your own lifetime from impacting my life.
Ron Lee
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Time: 01:17:06 PM PST US
From: <gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com>
Subject: RV-List: Re: Looking for advice (DAR IS OUT TO LUNCH, 100% WRONG)
HE IS 100% WRONG!
It does not matter if its a Hartzell and Lycoming or a Two by Four you
whittled out and attached to a lawn mower engine. Also the Sensenich
is AN EXPERIMENTAL PROP. This guy is OUT TO LUNCH.
First you are not getting "airworthiness" you are getting a special
airworthiness certificate for an experimental aircraft. Experimental don't
have type certificates and therefore are not subject to
Part 39 - Airworthiness directives or.......
Second the following Parts do not apply to experimentals:
Part 21 - Certification procedures for products and parts
Part 23 - Airworthiness standards: Normal, utility, acrobatic, and
commuter category airplanes
Part 33 - Airworthiness standards: Aircraft engines
Part 35 - Airworthiness standards: Propellers
Part 39 - Airworthiness directives
Part 43 - Maintenance, preventive maintenance, rebuilding, alteration
THIS IS A FACT, LEGAL FAR, FACT. IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT
HIS OPINION IS OR WHAT HE WOULD LIKE TO SEE.
YOU NEED SOME ONE TO POINT THE ABOVE OUT, THAN IT
TAKES ALL HIS ARGUMENT AWAY.
Here is the problem people have, experimental aircraft have very
few FAR's compared to a certified, type cert plane with an
airworthiness certificate. SOME FAA or DAR's with a control or
Authoritarian Complex want to impose there Opinion and control
on experimentals that DO NOT APPLY. We need to get these
GUYS out of the DAR business or educate them.
For heavens sakes DON'T GO ALONG WITH THIS! He does it once
he will want to make it LAW.
GOOGLE: Airworthiness Directives and Amateur built aircraft
or
Amateur-Built Aircraft Certification Inspection Guide
Here is a link (with lots of reference):
http://www.sportair.org/articles/Rules%20&%20Regulations%20of%20Airplane%2
0Building.html
Look down where is says: Maintaining Your Airplane. You will see
many refs but if this guy is going on HOW HE THINKS IT SHOULD
be and LAW (FAR's) you are SOL. You will have to go to his
supervisor or District Maintenance Chief. HOW THEY SEND THESE
GUYS OUT WITH NO TRAINING AMAZES ME
If he does not believe you, have him call FAA legal department. My
Friend get into his face and say NO. Have him prove it. He is making
it up.
There is confusion from some old advisory circulars (AC) that where
published in the 1970's, but they are wrong. This is where the FAA
is not consistent.
HE IS WRONG WRONG WRONG. You don't need an A&P to work on
an amateur build experimental. Part 43 does not apply to experimentals.
Even more controversial is you don't need to comply to AD's on certified
parts, however its common wisdom and sense that its a very good idea.
As the builder you can make the choice to comply or not. Most agree
compiling is good. However when a Prop or Engine is mounted on an
experimental ITS NO LONGER A CERTIFIED PART. Its only certified
when its in that aircraft it was certified in. There are no REAL certified
prop/engines in experimentals for the purpose of maintenance, mod or
AD compliance. This approved combo is only for the 25 to 40 Phase I
period. Its totally different. Besides look at Van's catalog or call
Sensenich, its an experimental PROP they happens to be designed for
RV's with Lycs. However every installation is different and experimental.
Also the Sensenich prop and Lyc IS NOT A Certified Type Approved
combination. The Sensenich is an Experimental prop. Here is the deal
even if it was approved say in a piper or cessna, when its put into an
experimental the installation is not longer a TYPE Certificated
installation.
Here is the thing this guy needs to wrap is brain around, Experimentals
have almost a BLANK CHECK on what you do to it and who works on it.
The only real limit is the annual condition inspection, must be done by a
repairman for the plane or an A&P. However if you bought a second hand
Experimental the new owner can DO WHAT EVER HE WANTS,
maintenance and modification. Again however than he or she would need
to get a condition Inspection signed off. If the A&P does not want to sign
it off that is their choice.
Here is something I wrote about PROP AD's on a Hartzell.
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showpost.php?p=118022&postcount=12
If you are a member go to on the EAA web site or call the legal dept on
Monday. If you are a member it has lots of info and "controversial" debates
that the EAA legal department has worked out and the FAA is an
agreement.
Many DAR's sometimes work on their own personal preference or opinion
and not the law.
This GUY is WRONG WRONG WRONG. You do not have to maintain it to
TYPE CERT standards. I WOULD GET A DAR THAT KNOWS WHAT HE
IS DOING.
Good Luck but this GUY is OFF base. He is there just to sign off the paper
work not verify airworthiness. Now if he thinks something is not safe than
he can refuse. However the part about A&P's, STC and all that is 100%
wrong.
HERE IS WHAT YOU CAN DO:
-Get a EAA Technical Counselor
-He is going to need to be educated. HE IS NOT GOING TO LISTEN TO
YOU. You will have to get a knowledgeable FAA person to intercede.
-You can go over his head or call FAA in OK and talk to the FAA.
-I WOULD CALL EAA and IF NOT A MEMBER JOIN. They do more for
us, experimental builders/pilots than AOPA or any other group.
email me if you want more info. gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com
It does not matter if you get into a pissing match, HE IS 100% WRONG!
Stand up to the government, don't be afraid. You will get it signed off
and
YOU DON'T NEED AN A&P signature ANYWHERE.
George ATP,CFI-II-ME
>From: "Dan Ross" <dcr@fdltownhomes.com>
>Subject: RV-List: Looking for advice
>
>Guys:
>
> I'm going through the airworthiness inspection by the local FSDO. The
>guy is coming next Monday at 0900 to complete the inspection and
>paperwork. He happened by yesterday because he was in the area and
>had some time. He did most of the inspection and said to put if back
together
>and be ready to run the engine on Monday. He has since called and said I
>needed an A&P sign off for installing the Sensenich propeller on the
>Lycoming (certified) engine.
>
>He called again and said that because the engine is certified, it would
>have to be maintained as a certified engine by an A&P and only certified
>parts or STC ed parts could be installed. I suspect this guy is more
airline
>knowledgeable than experimental. BTW, he is a nice guy. My question
>is:
>
>does anyone know any FAA regs or materials I can gently suggest this
>guy to reference? Please, ranting and ravings about the FAA won't help me,
>just references/suggestions to help educate this guy. I have more to lose
>if weget into a pissing contest. Thanks in advance. Dan
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Time: 01:30:48 PM PST US
From: luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky)
Subject: Liberalism and it's victims RE: RV-List: User Fees and Patriotism
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Time: 02:55:48 PM PST US
From: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Liberalism and it's victims RE: RV-List: User Fees and
Patriotism
I'm probably on the wrong list for this. If so, I apologize.
I'm building this thing called an RV airplane
An RV airplane, by the way, is a cool thing you can build yourself if you
have enough tools, talent, and money. If anyone here needs any more
information on this, I'll be happy to offer what I can, although I'm not the
best source of information.
I was wondering if anyone here went to SnF saw. What forums did you attend?
What deals did you find? How many RVs were there?
Do not archive
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of lucky
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 3:30 PM
Subject: Liberalism and it's victims RE: RV-List: User Fees and Patriotism
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Time: 03:21:56 PM PST US
From: "n801bh@netzero.com" <n801bh@netzero.com>
Subject: RE: Liberalism and it's victims RE: RV-List: User Fees and
Patriotism
it's April 21,, not April1- april fools day... :-)
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net> wrote:
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I'm building this thing called an RV airplane
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nd?
What deals did you find? How many RVs were there?
Do not archive
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Time: 09:27:41 PM PST US
From: "glen matejcek" <aerobubba@earthlink.net>
Subject: RV-List: RE: Looking for advice / registering the plane
Hi All-
Let me chip in 2 cents here. I just went through a minor hassle that could
have been a big one. I sent in my registration package a little while
back. About 2 weeks later I received 2 letters from the feds. They had
consecutive dates, and were "you goofed your registration" form letters.
The letter has boxes to check to show what was missing from the
registration package. If you were to combine the everything that each
letter said was missing, you'd have a complete package. Hmm... looks like
somehow my registration package got split in two, and then two different
'crats rejected the individual halves. After much time on hold, and as
much time explaining and re-explaining the light bulb finally came on. The
'crat of the moment said she'd look for the docs and give me a call back.
2 days later, no call. So I called them. Turns out all was well, and the
2 halves of the package had been located and put back together. Great! So
where do we stand in the process? "Oh, the documents are being sent back
to you." What!?!?! "Yes, you made an error. The serial numbers on the
forms don't match." Long story short, they felt that MY airplane serial
number had to be VAN's kit serial number. I got hold of Charlie Becker up
at OSH who called the head of the fed office. Within a few minutes he
called back to tell me that my registration would be in the mail in a day
or two. Poof. That simple. Also, during the course of our conversation,
engine data plates came up. They absolutely DO NOT have to be removed from
the engine. You can be directed to the source material for these policies
by our friends in OSH, and certainly in my case they were able call the
right fed and make the problem go away in minutes. YMMV, but those folks
carry a lot of clout. I would advise anyone having these kinds of issues
to seek out the EAA tech folks and learn the truth, as well as how to get
the feds on track.
glen matejcek
aerobubba@earthlink.net
________________________________ Message 14
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Time: 11:38:33 PM PST US
Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: User Fees and Patriotism
From: "Brandon Rigio" <brandon.rigio@kodak.com>
I don't think we are dropping in another handful. If you have a glass
of water with the floating ice piled over the top of the glass and the
water level at the brim, as the ice melts the level in the glass wont
change.
The ice is less dense than water so it displaces its mass in water, not
its volume, that's why it floats. Melt every bit of ice floating in the
oceans, and most of it is floating, and we wouldn't even notice it.
My $.02
Brandon
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andy Gold
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 9:19 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: User Fees and Patriotism
If your glass is full of ice and water and you drop in another handfull
of
ice it will overflow; right? So on a global scale, as the ocean is now
full
(at least in relation to beach front communities from Miami to Venice to
Beijing). The extra handfull of ice is that which is now above water
making
up the Antarctic and Greenland caps and numerous glaciers all over.
Andy
________________________________ Message 15
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Time: 11:54:48 PM PST US
From: Fiveonepw@aol.com
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Vans vs. Bobs Fairings
Bob don't do cowls- DOES do some mighty nice emp fairings (I've done 3 so
far) and many report good results with legs & intersection fairings. For
non-Vans cowls, you'll probably need to contact Sam James
863.675.4493
Mark RV-6A N51PW
************************************** See what's free at
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| Subject: | RV Advice, one leg flyer |
Hello all,
I am new to the list and starting the journey to build an RV but could use
some advice before I get going. I have a bit of a dilemma which I need to
work out before I order more than the RV empennage kit. I am a left leg
above the knee amputee and I believe I need to work with an instructor to
figure out the plane for me to build and modify as appropriate. I can fly
standard Cherokee's, Arrow's, etc by using my good leg for either the left
or right rudder pedal as required and the hand brake if I need to hit both
brakes at once. Of course the Piper line has nose wheel steering and I find
this very easy for me to accomplish. I am just not sure what direction I
should pursue for the RV and feel I could use some flight instruction to try
and figure it out. I know I will need a hand brake to hit both brakes
simultaneously, and I'm thinking I will get more positive steering control
on an RV by going with a tail dragger vs a nose wheel version and trying the
differential toe braking. Any help you all can offer would be sincerely
appreciated. If there are any AK's amputees flying RV's that can clue me in,
it would terrific. I'm retiring next month and can work on this full time.
I was commercial-instrument rated, but now have had to revert to private.
Thanks Carl
Carl W Bell
New Venture Consulting
Office: 803.648.3407
Mobile: 803.640.2760
<http://www.newventureconsulting.com> www.newventureconsulting.com
carlbell@gforcecable.com
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| Subject: | RV Advice, one leg flyer |
Carl, there was just an article on this in Kitplanes a month or so ago, and
the plane profiled -- along with two pilots -- was an RV. I think I've got a
copy of it around here somewhere and will try to send it to you off ist.
bob
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[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Bell
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 9:39 AM
Subject: RV-List: RV Advice, one leg flyer
Hello all,
I am new to the list and starting the journey to build an RV but could use
some advice before I get going. I have a bit of a dilemma which I need to
work out before I order more than the RV empennage kit. I am a left leg
above the knee amputee and I believe I need to work with an instructor to
figure out the plane for me to build and modify as appropriate. I can fly
standard Cherokee's, Arrow's, etc by using my good leg for either the left
or right rudder pedal as required and the hand brake if I need to hit both
brakes at once. Of course the Piper line has nose wheel steering and I find
this very easy for me to accomplish. I am just not sure what direction I
should pursue for the RV and feel I could use some flight instruction to try
and figure it out. I know I will need a hand brake to hit both brakes
simultaneously, and I'm thinking I will get more positive steering control
on an RV by going with a tail dragger vs a nose wheel version and trying the
differential toe braking. Any help you all can offer would be sincerely
appreciated. If there are any AK's amputees flying RV's that can clue me in,
it would terrific. I'm retiring next month and can work on this full time.
I was commercial-instrument rated, but now have had to revert to private.
Thanks Carl
Carl W Bell
New Venture Consulting
Office: 803.648.3407
Mobile: 803.640.2760
<http://www.newventureconsulting.com> www.newventureconsulting.com
carlbell@gforcecable.com
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| Subject: | RV Advice, one leg flyer |
There is an article in EAA's sport aviation of a double amputee who
built and flies an RV8, so I am sure it can be done with some
modifications. I am traveling right now for transition training, and
will find the article for you as soon as I get home. You can probably go
to the EAA site and search for it if you need it faster. It was a great
read, and maybe he can help you do the mods required.
Dan
N289DT
RV10E
_____
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Bell
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 10:39 AM
Subject: RV-List: RV Advice, one leg flyer
Hello all,
I am new to the list and starting the journey to build an RV but could
use some advice before I get going. I have a bit of a dilemma which I
need to work out before I order more than the RV empennage kit. I am a
left leg above the knee amputee and I believe I need to work with an
instructor to figure out the plane for me to build and modify as
appropriate. I can fly standard Cherokee's, Arrow's, etc by using my
good leg for either the left or right rudder pedal as required and the
hand brake if I need to hit both brakes at once. Of course the Piper
line has nose wheel steering and I find this very easy for me to
accomplish. I am just not sure what direction I should pursue for the
RV and feel I could use some flight instruction to try and figure it
out. I know I will need a hand brake to hit both brakes simultaneously,
and I'm thinking I will get more positive steering control on an RV by
going with a tail dragger vs a nose wheel version and trying the
differential toe braking. Any help you all can offer would be sincerely
appreciated. If there are any AK's amputees flying RV's that can clue me
in, it would terrific. I'm retiring next month and can work on this
full time. I was commercial-instrument rated, but now have had to
revert to private. Thanks Carl
Carl W Bell
New Venture Consulting
Office: 803.648.3407
Mobile: 803.640.2760
www.newventureconsulting.com <http://www.newventureconsulting.com>
carlbell@gforcecable.com
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| Subject: | Re: RV Advice, one leg flyer |
Carl,
There used to be a paraplegic on this list building a super-6 but I have
forgotten his name and not heard from him lately. As I recall, he had
enough strength on the right side to stomp on that right rudder for
take-off.
For you, I would definitely recommend a tricycle gear. I'm sure you could
fly a TD if you had your mind set on it, but it would probably require a
special prosthesis so you could manipulate both pedals at once, and probably
both brakes too. The prob with a TD is that you really have to dance on the
pedals. You sometimes have to go very quickly from one rudder to the other
in order to overt a ground loop, then quickly back again, and back again
etc... In a big cross wind, a touch of break is sometimes needed to stay
on the runway as the tail transitions - but you still have to dance on the
pedals.
So unless you have some pent-up childhood need to fly a taildragger, get the
tri-gear. I have never flown a tri-gear RV, but they shouldn't be any more
difficult than the other planes you fly. Fairly easy to install hand brake
systems. Side-by-side models are your best bet for transition training.
Good luck,
David Leonard
Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
N4VY.RotaryRoster.net
www.RotaryRoster.net
On 4/22/07, Carl Bell <carlbell@gforcecable.com> wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
>
> I am new to the list and starting the journey to build an RV but could use
> some advice before I get going. I have a bit of a dilemma which I need to
> work out before I order more than the RV empennage kit. I am a left leg
> above the knee amputee and I believe I need to work with an instructor to
> figure out the plane for me to build and modify as appropriate. I can fly
> standard Cherokee's, Arrow's, etc by using my good leg for either the left
> or right rudder pedal as required and the hand brake if I need to hit both
> brakes at once. Of course the Piper line has nose wheel steering and I find
> this very easy for me to accomplish. I am just not sure what direction I
> should pursue for the RV and feel I could use some flight instruction to try
> and figure it out. I know I will need a hand brake to hit both brakes
> simultaneously, and I'm thinking I will get more positive steering control
> on an RV by going with a tail dragger vs a nose wheel version and trying the
> differential toe braking. Any help you all can offer would be sincerely
> appreciated. If there are any AK's amputees flying RV's that can clue me in,
> it would terrific. I'm retiring next month and can work on this full time.
> I was commercial-instrument rated, but now have had to revert to private.
> Thanks Carl
>
>
> *Carl W Bell*
>
> *New Venture Consulting*
>
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| Subject: | ELT Misfire.. Main solenoid |
Two years ago....
There I was JMMOB (an official medical abbreviation at some hospitals for
Just Minding My Own Business), home with my parents watching TV when my cell
rings.... Turns out the manhunt had finally located my 'downed' aircraft
parked safely on the transient ramp with the ELT humming away... Talk about
embarrassing. I drove to the airport and found a team of 14 year-old (dare
I say) nerds pointing electo-gadgets at my plane. Their leader insisted
that I pull the ELT to get the S.N. I had 'wisely' installed my ELT under
the baggage floor, so at 10pm the elctro team had to spend another hour
watching me unload all the stuff in the cargo area, remove the seats, remove
the floor, just to get the S/N off the ELT (it is now recorded in the owner
documentation). Sorry about that.
Anyway, I had assumed that some un-noticed bump had triggered the ELT. A
few times over the curse of the next year I had occasionally caught the ELT
light flashing while putting the plane away.. This disturbed me as I could
never come up with a good reason... I even blamed my passenger once for
accidentally pressing the activation button (which is near the pax headset
jack).
But last night I finally found the problem. While playing with the
electrical system, I was able to get the ELT to activate several times when
shutting off the main solenoid. Isn't there some sort of current spike
generated on shut off? Could that be triggering my ELT (ACK)? Has anyone
had a similar problem? Know of a fix? I have not installed a diode on my
solenoid like electric Bob recommends.. Will that fix the problem?
--
David Leonard
Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
N4VY.RotaryRoster.net
www.RotaryRoster.net
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| Subject: | Re: RV Advice, one leg flyer |
In a message dated 4/22/2007 7:43:00 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
carlbell@gforcecable.com writes:
I am new to the list and starting the journey to build an RV but could use
some advice before I get going. I have a bit of a dilemma which I need to
work out before I order more than the RV empennage kit. I am a left leg
above
the knee amputee and I believe I need to work with an instructor to figure
out the plane for me to build and modify as appropriate. I can fly standar
d
Cherokee=99s, Arrow=99s, etc by using my good leg for either the
left or right
rudder pedal as required and the hand brake if I need to hit both brakes at
once.
=================
Carl-
You need to get in touch with Bruce Cruikshank at Livermore, CA.
Bruce is a double amputee who flies the RV-4 "Cover Girl" that was featured
in Sport Aviation a few years back and is building an RV-9A currently. I
believe you can contact him thru KS AVIONICS 510-785-9407
_http://www.ksavionics.com_ (http://www.ksavionics.com)
If you can't get ahold of him, e-mail me direct and I will arrange to put
you in touch with him. He designed his own system to interconnect his
prosthesis to the rudder pedals and he seems to do very well. We just flew
to lunch
with him yesterday.
GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 844hrs, Silicon Valley, CA)
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com
.
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Thanks a bunch, I will call him at KS on Monday and see if I can talk with
him. I read the article and was very impressed with what he has
accomplished. I hoping to get away with hand brakes and the dancing foot
method since I'm used to it, but most feel a nose dragger is the way to go,
which is fine with me. I want to find a CFI with a 6A, 7A or 9A and give it
a go. Thanks again. Carl
_____
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vanremog@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV Advice, one leg flyer
In a message dated 4/22/2007 7:43:00 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
carlbell@gforcecable.com writes:
I am new to the list and starting the journey to build an RV but could use
some advice before I get going. I have a bit of a dilemma which I need to
work out before I order more than the RV empennage kit. I am a left leg
above the knee amputee and I believe I need to work with an instructor to
figure out the plane for me to build and modify as appropriate. I can fly
standard Cherokee's, Arrow's, etc by using my good leg for either the left
or right rudder pedal as required and the hand brake if I need to hit both
brakes at once.
==========================================
Carl-
You need to get in touch with Bruce Cruikshank at Livermore, CA.
Bruce is a double amputee who flies the RV-4 "Cover Girl" that was featured
in Sport Aviation a few years back and is building an RV-9A currently. I
believe you can contact him thru KS AVIONICS 510-785-9407
http://www.ksavionics.com
If you can't get ahold of him, e-mail me direct and I will arrange to put
you in touch with him. He designed his own system to interconnect his
prosthesis to the rudder pedals and he seems to do very well. We just flew
to lunch with him yesterday.
GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 844hrs, Silicon Valley, CA)
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| Subject: | RV Advice, one leg flyer |
Thanks Dan,
I saw the article and he is really fantastic, I am trying to do it with less
special stuff and use the good foot more. I will continue to try and find a
CFI with a 7A, 6A or 9A and try it out. Thx C
_____
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel R.
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 11:41 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: RV Advice, one leg flyer
There is an article in EAA's sport aviation of a double amputee who built
and flies an RV8, so I am sure it can be done with some modifications. I am
traveling right now for transition training, and will find the article for
you as soon as I get home. You can probably go to the EAA site and search
for it if you need it faster. It was a great read, and maybe he can help you
do the mods required.
Dan
N289DT
RV10E
_____
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Bell
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 10:39 AM
Subject: RV-List: RV Advice, one leg flyer
Hello all,
I am new to the list and starting the journey to build an RV but could use
some advice before I get going. I have a bit of a dilemma which I need to
work out before I order more than the RV empennage kit. I am a left leg
above the knee amputee and I believe I need to work with an instructor to
figure out the plane for me to build and modify as appropriate. I can fly
standard Cherokee's, Arrow's, etc by using my good leg for either the left
or right rudder pedal as required and the hand brake if I need to hit both
brakes at once. Of course the Piper line has nose wheel steering and I find
this very easy for me to accomplish. I am just not sure what direction I
should pursue for the RV and feel I could use some flight instruction to try
and figure it out. I know I will need a hand brake to hit both brakes
simultaneously, and I'm thinking I will get more positive steering control
on an RV by going with a tail dragger vs a nose wheel version and trying the
differential toe braking. Any help you all can offer would be sincerely
appreciated. If there are any AK's amputees flying RV's that can clue me in,
it would terrific. I'm retiring next month and can work on this full time.
I was commercial-instrument rated, but now have had to revert to private.
Thanks Carl
Carl W Bell
New Venture Consulting
Office: 803.648.3407
Mobile: 803.640.2760
<http://www.newventureconsulting.com> www.newventureconsulting.com
carlbell@gforcecable.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/N
avigator?RV-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: RE: RV-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 04/21/07 |
Just a quick comment. You included the entire digest in your email (27K
vs 2-3K for the typical message) which clutters up the archives.
Secondly, since you did this we have no idea to what your reply refers to.
Dick Tasker
Do not archive
Francis Malczynski wrote:
>
>Not yet, it's on my list
>
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| Subject: | RV Advice, one leg flyer |
David,
I think you are right about a nose dragger and will continue to look for a
CFI with one to figure it out. I did get an email from Alex from RV flight
training and he has an RV 10 which may do the trick, but he is busy until
June and in Texas, I'm in Aiken SC. I may just buy the tail and wings and
make the final decision on the fuselage last so I can get building. I want
to limit the mods to a set of handbrakes if possible, that way it will be a
pretty standard plane. If it was a steer able nose wheel this would be a no
brainier, I just don't know about the castoring nose unit. I'm thinking I
could also just put a welded hoop over the top of my foot for a push pull
set up which would give me more speed then the dancing foot, but I think
that may require a few pulleys and cable behind the pedals to make it a
closed loop system. Any thoughts on this? Thanks for the advice. Carl
_____
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Leonard
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV Advice, one leg flyer
Carl,
There used to be a paraplegic on this list building a super-6 but I have
forgotten his name and not heard from him lately. As I recall, he had
enough strength on the right side to stomp on that right rudder for
take-off.
For you, I would definitely recommend a tricycle gear. I'm sure you could
fly a TD if you had your mind set on it, but it would probably require a
special prosthesis so you could manipulate both pedals at once, and probably
both brakes too. The prob with a TD is that you really have to dance on the
pedals. You sometimes have to go very quickly from one rudder to the other
in order to overt a ground loop, then quickly back again, and back again
etc... In a big cross wind, a touch of break is sometimes needed to stay
on the runway as the tail transitions - but you still have to dance on the
pedals.
So unless you have some pent-up childhood need to fly a taildragger, get the
tri-gear. I have never flown a tri-gear RV, but they shouldn't be any more
difficult than the other planes you fly. Fairly easy to install hand brake
systems. Side-by-side models are your best bet for transition training.
Good luck,
David Leonard
Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
N4VY.RotaryRoster.net
www.RotaryRoster.net
On 4/22/07, Carl Bell <carlbell@gforcecable.com> wrote:
Hello all,
I am new to the list and starting the journey to build an RV but could use
some advice before I get going. I have a bit of a dilemma which I need to
work out before I order more than the RV empennage kit. I am a left leg
above the knee amputee and I believe I need to work with an instructor to
figure out the plane for me to build and modify as appropriate. I can fly
standard Cherokee's, Arrow's, etc by using my good leg for either the left
or right rudder pedal as required and the hand brake if I need to hit both
brakes at once. Of course the Piper line has nose wheel steering and I find
this very easy for me to accomplish. I am just not sure what direction I
should pursue for the RV and feel I could use some flight instruction to try
and figure it out. I know I will need a hand brake to hit both brakes
simultaneously, and I'm thinking I will get more positive steering control
on an RV by going with a tail dragger vs a nose wheel version and trying the
differential toe braking. Any help you all can offer would be sincerely
appreciated. If there are any AK's amputees flying RV's that can clue me in,
it would terrific. I'm retiring next month and can work on this full time.
I was commercial-instrument rated, but now have had to revert to private.
Thanks Carl
Carl W Bell
New Venture Consulting
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| Subject: | RV Advice, one leg flyer |
Not sure what it would take to rig it, but check out a Liberty if you get a
chance. It has finger brakes on the center console between the seats, one
for each brake. That may solve your ground maneuvering a little easier. I
suspect you could probably give them a call and explain your situation.
They may be able to give you some pointers, or at least their supplier.
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| Subject: | RV-8 Wings officially started! |
Well the wings are in Kansas, and this weekend we were finally able to get them
started!!!
www.rv-8.org has all the details and pictures!!
Steph Marshall
www.rv-8.org
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| Subject: | Torque Values for Sensors and other not nuts and bolts stuff |
?
Where or how would you find what to torque something like a Oil Temp Sensor?
Big brass fitting, 7/8 socket size into the case just above the oil filter.
Easy enough to get to with a crows foot and extension but how much do you
tighten it? I'm thinking something like 100-125 inch pounds which feels
like enough to flatten the copper gasket?
How about carb and fuel pump fittings ? ( I did find the AN values in the
AC43 but nothing on the "banjo" part,.. Why do they call it a banjo fitting
? )
Is there any kind of rule of thumb for things which don't fall into the nut
and bolt category? How about the synthetic Oil filler tube on an O-360 ?
Takes a 1 1/8 wrench but it would look like you could twist it off if you're
not careful? (Snug, then a little more, and wire it ??
All help appreciated, thanks
Bill S
7a Ark
Wired, cowled, canopied and "engining"
But nowhere near done ;-(
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Torque Values for Sensors and other not nuts and bolts stuff |
?
In a message dated 4/22/2007 3:09:59 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
billschlatterer@sbcglobal.net writes:
Where or how would you find what to torque something like a Oil Temp Sensor?
Big brass fitting, 7/8 socket size into the case just above the oil filter.
Easy enough to get to with a crows foot and extension but how much do you
tighten it? I'm thinking something like 100-125 inch pounds which feels like
enough to flatten the copper gasket?
==============================================
I believe that the more common torque specs out in the industrial world are
based on 75% of the yield strength of the weaker material, but that doesn't
really help you does it?
I have an old Ford Aerospace (now Loral Space Systems still owned by Bernard
Schwartz, the slime ball who sold/gave much of our space science to China)
torque standard that I could dig out and maybe they have some guidance on
this, but I would try to err on the side of caution with anything threading into
cast aluminum. If you fail to get anything useful from the builders here
over the next few days, e-mail me offline and I'll go thru my records to see if
I can find the document.
GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 844hrs, Silicon Valley, CA)
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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I saw a artical somewhere a few weeks ago about someone that made wing
jacks using 2x6 lumber and small car jacks. Can someone direct me to
where I saw this?
--
Surfing the web with my laptop from Hopkinsville, KY
Visit my RV7A website: http://webpages.charter.net/bobbyhester/MyFlyingRV7A.htm
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sport aviation I believe, this months issue
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bobby Hester" <bobbyhester@charter.net>
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 9:23 PM
Subject: RV-List: Wing Jacks
>
> I saw a artical somewhere a few weeks ago about someone that made wing
> jacks using 2x6 lumber and small car jacks. Can someone direct me to where
> I saw this?
>
> --
> Surfing the web with my laptop from Hopkinsville, KY
> Visit my RV7A website:
> http://webpages.charter.net/bobbyhester/MyFlyingRV7A.htm
>
>
>
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I beleive your right, now I've got to find my magazine, it's here somewhere.
Surfing the web with my laptop from Hopkinsville, KY
Visit my RV7A website: http://webpages.charter.net/bobbyhester/MyFlyingRV7A.htm
Mark/Kara Phillips wrote:
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> sport aviation I believe, this months issue
> do not archive
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobby Hester"
> <bobbyhester@charter.net>
> To: "RV7A" <RV7A@yahoogroups.com>; "RV-List" <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 9:23 PM
> Subject: RV-List: Wing Jacks
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>> I saw a artical somewhere a few weeks ago about someone that made
>> wing jacks using 2x6 lumber and small car jacks. Can someone direct
>> me to where I saw this?
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>> Surfing the web with my laptop from Hopkinsville, KY
>> Visit my RV7A website:
>> http://webpages.charter.net/bobbyhester/MyFlyingRV7A.htm
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| Subject: | RV-7 engine/prop options |
I have a couple of questions about engine choices.
If you have used an 'alternative' engine builder to build your
experimental Lyc engine, what was your experience (positive or negative)?
and,
Has anyone on the list used an extended hub Hartzell prop (as needed for
some of the James cowls)? If so, do you feel comfortable doing mild
'RV-acro' with the prop? The model I have available is an HC-F2YR hub
with F7666-4 blades. I'm willing to deal with the cowl issues but I'm
not willing to give up the occasional loop & roll.
Feel free to reply either on or off-list.
Thanks,
Charlie
ceengland@bellsouth.net
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| Subject: | Re: RV Advice, one leg flyer |
Carl,
The cable and pulleys to connect the pedals might work especially with a
tri-gear, but consider this: The pull portion is going to be strenuous
sometimes - even usually. You will need to be very securely buckled down or
you will be pulling yourself forward. That will be too tight for cruise
flight, so tightening yourself down before landing is another thing you have
to remember. If you forget, your knee will hit the panel and all hell will
break loose while you try to keep it on the runway. Also the pulley system
will probably require that your foot be connected to the rudder for the
entire flight (unless you come up with and easy in/out system). That will
get very uncomfortable on long flights.
Plenty of 2 footed people do ground loops every year. You will be at an
even higher risk.
So I still recommend the tri-gear unless you really want to live on the
edge. Besides, its not like anyone is going old rule "only real men fly
tail draggers" to you. Anyone who flies any plane with only one leg is man
enough.
Either way, good luck.
--
David Leonard
Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
N4VY.RotaryRoster.net <http://n4vy.rotaryroster.net/>
www.RotaryRoster.net <http://www.rotaryroster.net/>
On 4/22/07, Carl Bell <carlbell@gforcecable.com> wrote:
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> David,
>
>
> .... If it was a steer able nose wheel this would be a no brainier, I just
> don't know about the castoring nose unit. I'm thinking I could also just put
> a welded hoop over the top of my foot for a push pull set up which would
> give me more speed then the dancing foot, but I think that may require a few
> pulleys and cable behind the pedals to make it a closed loop system. Any
> thoughts on this? Thanks for the advice. Carl
>
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