---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 05/01/07: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:48 AM - Re: Re: Looking for Robby Knox (RAS) 2. 06:15 AM - Re: Re: Transitioning from a C172 to a RV-7A/9A (Hopperdhh@aol.com) 3. 07:30 AM - Re: Another 9A First Flight (Charles Rowbotham) 4. 08:29 AM - Re: Looking for Robby Knox (Jekyll) 5. 01:51 PM - Re: Re: Looking for Robby Knox (jan) 6. 07:21 PM - Power Off Glide (Kyle Boatright) 7. 09:42 PM - Re: Main spar flange bend angle problem (Michael D. Cencula) 8. 11:16 PM - Re: Re: Looking for Robby Knox (HCRV6@comcast.net) 9. 11:32 PM - Official RV-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle) 10. 11:40 PM - Official RV-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:48:04 AM PST US From: "RAS" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Looking for Robby Knox Publishing details like ones posted would be enough for me not to do business with Jekyll. What guarantees me that he won't part as esaily with my personal details to somewhat less genuine people of which there are plenty about. If I see the amount of scam emails I receive on this email address, it can ve safely assumed that Mr Knox details are already in possesion of people who shouldn't have them. A request for someone to get in touch without the disclosure of personal details would have been most appropriate. I'm in aircraft repair business, and it would take a court order for me to make any disclosure of sensetive information of my customers however good or bad they may be. For none payment there's a court system, you work with the last known address, if it's no longer accurate then it will only add to the cost for the non paying customer. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:15:03 AM PST US From: Hopperdhh@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Transitioning from a C172 to a RV-7A/9A Sherman, I also used to fly a Grumman Lynx. The RV has a much bigger rudder, so it is not necessary to point the plane toward the edge of the runway like we did with the Grumman. Also, the RV is much easier to fly and land than the Grumman. The controls are light like the Grumman but more responsive and not at all twitchy, IMHO. The Grumman was a great trainer. I think the RV flies more like a C-150 although faster on approach, similar to the Lynx in that respect. But it doesn't sink like a rock if you get it a little slow, at least not like the Grumman. If you can fly the Lynx, the -7A will be a piece of cake. The only problem I had at first was losing the airport due to the speed of the RV. I would fly past the airport and look back maybe 20 seconds or so later and it wouldn't be there! It only takes a few flights to overcome that. Dan Hopper RV-7A In a message dated 4/30/2007 10:36:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, lsbrv7a@yahoo.com writes: When I flew a Grumman Lynx I would line up aimed at the right edge of the runway about 500 feet away. The initial prop wash would straighten my path down the runway without using the brakes. Then the control surfaces became more effective, raising the front wheel a bit would require right rudder. Does the RV-XA do the same? do not archive Sherman Butler RV-7a Wings Idaho Falls ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:30:41 AM PST US From: "Charles Rowbotham" Subject: RE: RV-List: Another 9A First Flight Daniel, CONGRATULATIONS and WELL DONE !!! Chuck & Dave Rowbotham RV-8A >From: "Snow, Daniel A." >To: >Subject: RV-List: Another 9A First Flight >Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:07:11 -0500 > > >Just to add another datapoint to the already excellent RV history, >N214D's uneventful first flight occurred early Friday morning. _________________________________________________________________ Mortgage rates near historic lows. 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Jekyll Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=110238#110238 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:51:18 PM PST US From: jan Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: Looking for Robby Knox Maybe no one talks about building RV's anymore because they all "assemble" pre-drilled, pre-holes ... quick build ...ready made etc.etc... flat pack RV's.... ;-) ... and need something else to talk about .... :-) ... Jan Snail speed building a RV6 ...from almost scratch ... -----Original Message----- From: Bob Collins [mailto:bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net] Sent: 01 May 2007 01:52 Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: Looking for Robby Knox //Bob Collins: sorry, but I disagree - this is not a private spat. This is a matter of forum etiquette. Bob did something inappropriate in a public forum therefore, the discussion belongs here as an aid to prevent future breaches. I'll give you that the RV List certainly has its quirks and the ability of it to engage in long diatribes about global warming -- last week -- or the role of public shaming -- this week -- is certainly one of them. But, God, sometimes you just have to wonder if anyone talks about building and flying RVs on the RV list anymore. I would think if someone has "breached etiquette," a simple email to the guy who runs the forum -- Matt Dralle -- would go a long way toward preventing a a future breach, if that truly is the concern. He might even -- depending on how strongly you feel -- remove the offending messages so that little bitty future Rvers (well, itty bitty now but soon they'll grow up to be Internet users too) don't read it and further "damage" done. In radio, we have a very important rule. If you make a mistake -- pronounciation wise -- , just keep going. Don't stop and correct yourself because you'll only call attention to the fact you made a mistake, and the damage will not be lessened, it will be increased. If anyone missed the alleged assault on Mr. Knox with the original post, it was impossible to miss in the subsequent barrage of follow-up emails. In a way, trying to fix the damage, only broadened it. Ironic, ain't it? (g) So.... How 'bout those freakin' RVs eh?? Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:21:55 PM PST US From: "Kyle Boatright" Subject: RV-List: Power Off Glide Today was a great flying day here in Georgia, so I made a tour of North Georgia after work. One of the things I experimented with today was the power off (prop stopped) glide characteristics of my plane. After climbing to 9,500' I gradually eased the throttle back and let the engine cool to below 250F on the hottest cylinder. It didn't seem to want to get any cooler, even in what was more or less an idling glide, so I pulled the mixture to kill the engine. The prop continued windmilling down to under 70 knots indicated and then stopped. An unusual sight, to say the least, and not one I hope to see unexpectedly. Next, I pulled out my little video camera and began to film instrument readings with the prop visibly stopped in the background. As it turned out, the airplane's lowest sink speed was 80 knots indicated, which gave a sink rate of 700 to 750 fpm. I logged about 5 minutes of glider time, filming all the while, and then pushed the mixture back to rich, pushed the nose down and waited for the prop to begin windmilling as the airplane accelerated. At about 120 knots, the prop made a half rotation and stopped on the compression stroke. This happened again a couple more times as airspeed increased, then, at 140 knots indicated, the prop began to windmill and the engine came back to life. So, I gradually eased power up, flew back to my home field, and went to review the data from my camera. Which hadn't filmed a darned thing. User error, I assume. My guess is that I hit the "record" button too soon after powering up the camera and it wasn't quite ready to make movies yet. Some other day, maybe... Kyle Boatright 160 HP, fixed pitch, RV-6 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:42:25 PM PST US From: "Michael D. Cencula" Subject: Re: RV-List: Main spar flange bend angle problem For the archive: After a talking with Scott at Van's, I learned that the spar flange angles are: Top flange 88.5 +/-.5 degrees Bottom flange 89 +/-.5 degrees Measured between flange and web (in the corner where the main ribs sit) My spar flanges were definitely out of spec. Scott indicated that they have had several spars with this problem. Apparently the spar channel is OK until it is assembled with the top and bottom bars. This causes the flanges to open up a bit. Scott recommended the same fix they use at Van's when they encounter this problem...cut a slot in a 2x4 and use that as a lever to tweak the flanges into positon. My situation was a bit more difficult because I already had all the platenuts attached, so I needed a rather narrow tool to fit between the platenuts. I tried several pieces of wood and composite material all of which broke on the first try. I ended up getting a piece of 1/2 inch thick aluminum bar from the scrap tub at work and cut a slot in it. After removing the main ribs (that was a chore) and reworking the left spar flanges, I'd qualify results as very good. Not perfect, but it's 95% better than it was originally. Rib #5 was the worst rib with about .090 gap. After reworking the flanges, there is essentially no gap between the spar flange and the rib joggle flange. A similar improvement resulted at all the other ribs as well. Hopefully someone will find this information useful in the future. Happy building, Mike On Saturday April 28 2007 01:39 pm, Michael D. Cencula wrote: > > RV-ers, > > I'm trying to figure out what to do about a problem with my main spar > flanges. The problem is detailed at: > > http://www.our7a.com/20070426.html > http://www.our7a.com/20070428.html > > Essentially, I think I need to tweak the bend angle of the main spar > flanges in some locations. > > The problem is that the material is THICK and I've already riveted on my > main ribs, so how can I tweak this angle? > > I suppose I could remove all the main ribs. It wouldn't be terrible since > they're only attached to the main spar at this point, but I'd prefer to > avoid that hassle if possible. > > Any thoughts on how to tweak that spar flange? Seaming pliers seems like a > rough way to go. > > Also, does anyone know what this angle is supposed to actually be? > > Thanks, > > Mike Cencula > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:16:10 PM PST US From: HCRV6@comcast.net Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: Looking for Robby Knox Excellent observation Jan! -- Harry Crosby RV-6 N16CX, 338 hours -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: jan > > Maybe no one talks about building RV's anymore because they all "assemble" > pre-drilled, pre-holes ... quick build ...ready made etc.etc... flat pack > RV's.... ;-) ... and need something else to talk about .... :-) ... > > Jan > Snail speed building a RV6 ...from almost scratch ... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Collins [mailto:bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net] > Sent: 01 May 2007 01:52 > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: Looking for Robby Knox > > > //Bob Collins: sorry, but I disagree - this is not a private spat. This is a > matter of forum etiquette. Bob did something inappropriate in a public forum > therefore, the discussion belongs here as an aid to prevent future breaches. > > I'll give you that the RV List certainly has its quirks and the ability of > it to engage in long diatribes about global warming -- last week -- or the > role of public shaming -- this week -- is certainly one of them. But, God, > sometimes you just have to wonder if anyone talks about building and flying > RVs on the RV list anymore. > > I would think if someone has "breached etiquette," a simple email to the guy > who runs the forum -- Matt Dralle -- would go a long way toward preventing a > a future breach, if that truly is the concern. He might even -- depending > on how strongly you feel -- remove the offending messages so that little > bitty future Rvers (well, itty bitty now but soon they'll grow up to be > Internet users too) don't read it and further "damage" done. > > In radio, we have a very important rule. If you make a mistake -- > pronounciation wise -- , just keep going. Don't stop and correct yourself > because you'll only call attention to the fact you made a mistake, and the > damage will not be lessened, it will be increased. > > If anyone missed the alleged assault on Mr. Knox with the original post, it > was impossible to miss in the subsequent barrage of follow-up emails. In a > way, trying to fix the damage, only broadened it. > > Ironic, ain't it? (g) > > So.... 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Don't make snide comments, personally attack other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing. - Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by List members promoting their respective products or items for sale should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to everyone, including those who provide products to the entire community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists. ------- [This is an automated posting.] do not archive ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:40:54 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: RV-List: Official RV-List Usage Guidelines Dear Listers, Please read over the RV-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete RV-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/RV-List.FAQ.html Thank you, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ****************************************************************************** RV-List Usage Guidelines ****************************************************************************** The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the RV-List. You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein. Failure to use the RV-List in the manner described below may result in the removal of the subscribers from the List. RV-List Policy Statement The purpose of the RV-List is to provide a forum of discussion for things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established: - Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc. - THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it. - Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and responses. - Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address, aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary space in the archive. - DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the web page or FAQ first. - If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it easy to find threads in the archive. - When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive can not be overstated! - When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the "reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your response to the original poster. You might have to actively address your response with the original poster's email address. - DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large. - When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly contribute something valuable. - Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing. - Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by List members promoting their respective products or items for sale should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble a typical SPAM message. 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