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1. 02:43 AM - Re: Power Off Glide (Kevin Horton)
2. 03:58 AM - Re: Power Off Glide (Kyle Boatright)
3. 07:31 AM - Exhaust Installation (Dwight Frye)
4. 07:50 AM - Re: Exhaust Installation (Tim Bryan)
5. 09:39 AM - RV family ()
6. 10:07 AM - Re: RV family (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
7. 10:37 AM - Re: Exhaust Installation (T.C. Chang)
8. 12:53 PM - Re: RV family ()
9. 03:14 PM - CHT's and EGT's Spreads? (Garry)
10. 03:38 PM - What cost flying ? (Austin)
11. 04:19 PM - Re: What cost flying ? (Terry Watson)
12. 04:21 PM - Re: What cost flying ? (Bob Collins)
13. 04:35 PM - Re: What cost flying ? ()
14. 07:54 PM - Re: What cost flying ? (Richard Sipp)
15. 08:03 PM - Re: RV family (Greg Young)
16. 08:17 PM - Re: What cost flying ? (Jim Fogarty at Lakes & Leisure Realty)
17. 08:53 PM - Re: What cost flying ? (rtitsworth)
18. 09:56 PM - Oil cooler port location (Ed Holyoke)
19. 09:56 PM - Oil cooler port location (Ed Holyoke)
20. 10:10 PM - Re: Oil cooler port location (Vanremog@aol.com)
21. 11:05 PM - Re: CHT's and EGT's Spreads? (HCRV6@comcast.net)
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| Subject: | Re: Power Off Glide |
On 1 May 2007, at 22:19, Kyle Boatright wrote:
> Today was a great flying day here in Georgia, so I made a tour of
> North Georgia after work. One of the things I experimented with
> today was the power off (prop stopped) glide characteristics of my
> plane.
>
> After climbing to 9,500' I gradually eased the throttle back and
> let the engine cool to below 250F on the hottest cylinder. It
> didn't seem to want to get any cooler, even in what was more or
> less an idling glide, so I pulled the mixture to kill the engine.
> The prop continued windmilling down to under 70 knots indicated and
> then stopped. An unusual sight, to say the least, and not one I
> hope to see unexpectedly.
>
> Next, I pulled out my little video camera and began to film
> instrument readings with the prop visibly stopped in the background.
>
> As it turned out, the airplane's lowest sink speed was 80 knots
> indicated, which gave a sink rate of 700 to 750 fpm. I logged about
> 5 minutes of glider time, filming all the while, and then pushed
> the mixture back to rich, pushed the nose down and waited for the
> prop to begin windmilling as the airplane accelerated.
>
How does the lowest sink speed and sink rate compare to what you
would see with engine at idle? Many folks do this testing at idle,
and I'm wondering how much error that creates. It would also be
interesting to do the same test with engine OFF, but prop windmilling.
What type of prop do you have?
Kevin Horton
Ottawa, Canada
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| Subject: | Re: Power Off Glide |
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Horton" <khorton01@rogers.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 5:39 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Power Off Glide
>
> On 1 May 2007, at 22:19, Kyle Boatright wrote:
>
>> Today was a great flying day here in Georgia, so I made a tour of North
>> Georgia after work. One of the things I experimented with today was the
>> power off (prop stopped) glide characteristics of my plane.
>>
>> After climbing to 9,500' I gradually eased the throttle back and let
>> the engine cool to below 250F on the hottest cylinder. It didn't seem
>> to want to get any cooler, even in what was more or less an idling
>> glide, so I pulled the mixture to kill the engine. The prop continued
>> windmilling down to under 70 knots indicated and then stopped. An
>> unusual sight, to say the least, and not one I hope to see unexpectedly.
>>
>> Next, I pulled out my little video camera and began to film instrument
>> readings with the prop visibly stopped in the background.
>>
>> As it turned out, the airplane's lowest sink speed was 80 knots
>> indicated, which gave a sink rate of 700 to 750 fpm. I logged about 5
>> minutes of glider time, filming all the while, and then pushed the
>> mixture back to rich, pushed the nose down and waited for the prop to
>> begin windmilling as the airplane accelerated.
>>
>
> How does the lowest sink speed and sink rate compare to what you would
> see with engine at idle? Many folks do this testing at idle, and I'm
> wondering how much error that creates. It would also be interesting to
> do the same test with engine OFF, but prop windmilling.
>
There doesn't seem to be a big difference in the idling performance vs the
prop stopped performance at 80 knots and below. As to the prop
windmilling/engine off sink rate, I didn't fly in that condition for long
enough to make a mental note of the performance.
> What type of prop do you have?
Aymar/Demuth fixed pitch wood. Fairly aggressively pitched.
>
> Kevin Horton
> Ottawa, Canada
>
KB
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| Subject: | Exhaust Installation |
I have a friend who has to replace his exhaust system on an RV-4, and
he has asked for my assistance. Thing is, this will be a learning
experience for me (i.e. I've not installed _my_ exhaust yet) rather than
one of those been-there-done-that situations. So I have questions.
We'll be installing a Vetterman crossover exhaust on his engine. The
existing exhaust is not a Vetterman, so there are changes afoot. For
one the current EGT probes will need to be changed and are not being
done at this time. Should we leave drilling for the probes until we
have them in hand, or can we drill the holes now and cover them (say
with a piece of SS and a band clamp)? If we wait to drill later (which
makes more sense, to me) can we drill the holes in place? Or would we
need to remove the exhaust to drill so we can (for instance) debur the
backside of the holes?
The exhaust hangers will be totally different, and I have heard that
Vetterman is providing a new/improved hanger arrangement. Does anyone
have experience with the new hanger setup they can share? Does it
attach with some of the sump bolts? Or some other mechanism? In short,
is there anything we need to be forewarned about regarding the hangers?
His current setup has the breather tube routed into one of the exhaust
pipes. This will need to change as well. Does anyone have good examples
of how (and where) to terminate the breather line? Any "gotchas" or
"best practices" we should be aware of? How about torque values on the
attach bolts? On the sump or case bolts, if we have to remove them to
attach the hanger? Anything I've forgotten?
Thanks, in advance, for any up-front educating you can give me so we
get this right the first time.
-- Dwight
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| Subject: | Exhaust Installation |
Dwight,
Obviously there are some differences between this RV4 and my -6 however the
location of the EGT probes is very near where the exhaust exits the heads.
I had no problem drilling these after the exhaust was in place and did not
remove them after. I also am not familiar with any changes Vetterman made
to the exhaust hangars, but mine attached to the lower portion of the engine
mount between the firewall and the engine. There was a piece of tubing with
fittings that sort of made a sling across the back where the exhaust clamps
could attach. I don't think you will have any problem figuring this out.
No attachments to the sump bolts were made on mine. Again the RV-4 or any
changes may be different. Maybe someone with a current RV-4 setup can jump
in.
Tim
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dwight Frye
> Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 9:47 AM
> To: RV Mailing List
> Subject: RV-List: Exhaust Installation
>
>
> I have a friend who has to replace his exhaust system on an RV-4, and
> he has asked for my assistance. Thing is, this will be a learning
> experience for me (i.e. I've not installed _my_ exhaust yet) rather than
> one of those been-there-done-that situations. So I have questions.
>
> We'll be installing a Vetterman crossover exhaust on his engine. The
> existing exhaust is not a Vetterman, so there are changes afoot. For
> one the current EGT probes will need to be changed and are not being
> done at this time. Should we leave drilling for the probes until we
> have them in hand, or can we drill the holes now and cover them (say
> with a piece of SS and a band clamp)? If we wait to drill later (which
> makes more sense, to me) can we drill the holes in place? Or would we
> need to remove the exhaust to drill so we can (for instance) debur the
> backside of the holes?
>
> The exhaust hangers will be totally different, and I have heard that
> Vetterman is providing a new/improved hanger arrangement. Does anyone
> have experience with the new hanger setup they can share? Does it
> attach with some of the sump bolts? Or some other mechanism? In short,
> is there anything we need to be forewarned about regarding the hangers?
>
> His current setup has the breather tube routed into one of the exhaust
> pipes. This will need to change as well. Does anyone have good examples
> of how (and where) to terminate the breather line? Any "gotchas" or
> "best practices" we should be aware of? How about torque values on the
> attach bolts? On the sump or case bolts, if we have to remove them to
> attach the hanger? Anything I've forgotten?
>
> Thanks, in advance, for any up-front educating you can give me so we
> get this right the first time.
>
> -- Dwight
>
>
>
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Looking for RV "builder's" who talk to each other, complain about all the extra
work required to fit fiberglass tips, the lack of "complete" plans and bemoan
that fact that in general Van's parts are not always perfect. Join the RV-10
list. You will however pick lots of great tips for building any RV as these guys
are very articulate, (opp's did I just re-offend someone running for President).
8*) KABONG
HRII N561FS Do Not Archive. No pre-punch, no QB, builder jigs required, measure,
mark, punch & drill every hole and build from two differant sets of plans. BUT
there are still hardy types that are building HRII Rockets.
But have some cheese handy to go with all the whine.
>
>Excellent observation Jan!
>Harry Crosby
>RV-6 N16CX, 338 hours
>
>> Maybe no one talks about building RV's anymore because they all "assemble"
>> pre-drilled, pre-holes ... quick build ...ready made etc.etc... flat pack
>> RV's.... ;-) ... and need something else to talk about .... :-) ...
>>
>> Jan
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This has got uphill both ways in snow written all over it! The previous
generation always has it worse than the next, and the older group never
wants to hear the woes of the younger generation....while each
generation always feels that they are justified in their complaining.
LOL
Dan
N289DT RV10E and yes the cabin top does suck, so much fiberglass on a
metal plane is not right!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
jhstarn@verizon.net
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 12:28 PM
Subject: RV-List: RV family
Looking for RV "builder's" who talk to each other, complain about all
the extra work required to fit fiberglass tips, the lack of "complete"
plans and bemoan that fact that in general Van's parts are not always
perfect. Join the RV-10 list. You will however pick lots of great tips
for building any RV as these guys are very articulate, (opp's did I just
re-offend someone running for President). 8*) KABONG
HRII N561FS Do Not Archive. No pre-punch, no QB, builder jigs required,
measure, mark, punch & drill every hole and build from two differant
sets of plans. BUT there are still hardy types that are building HRII
Rockets.
But have some cheese handy to go with all the whine.
>
>Excellent observation Jan!
>Harry Crosby
>RV-6 N16CX, 338 hours
>
>> Maybe no one talks about building RV's anymore because they all
"assemble"
>> pre-drilled, pre-holes ... quick build ...ready made etc.etc... flat
pack
>> RV's.... ;-) ... and need something else to talk about .... :-) ...
>>
>> Jan
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| Subject: | Exhaust Installation |
Dwight,
I drilled holes in place. Before you drill make sure the screw on the clamp
does not interfere with the spark plug. I have posted some pictures of my
engine and instruments installation on Picasa. It should give you some idea
about the hanger and the breather tube routing. Following are the links.
http://picasaweb.google.com/tc1234c/Engine
http://picasaweb.google.com/tc1234c/GRTInstallation
Ted
------------------------------------------
T.C. Chang
http://tc1234c.googlepages.com/
RV-9A, Lycoming (ECI) O320-D2A, 160 hp, Carb, Dual Mag, Sensenich FP
GRT dual DU H1, TT DigiFlight II VSGV, 145.6 hr Hobbs
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dwight Frye
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 10:47 AM
Subject: RV-List: Exhaust Installation
I have a friend who has to replace his exhaust system on an RV-4, and he has
asked for my assistance. Thing is, this will be a learning
experience for me (i.e. I've not installed _my_ exhaust yet) rather than one
of those been-there-done-that situations. So I have questions.
We'll be installing a Vetterman crossover exhaust on his engine. The
existing exhaust is not a Vetterman, so there are changes afoot. For one the
current EGT probes will need to be changed and are not being done at this
time. Should we leave drilling for the probes until we have them in hand, or
can we drill the holes now and cover them (say with a piece of SS and a band
clamp)? If we wait to drill later (which makes more sense, to me) can we
drill the holes in place? Or would we need to remove the exhaust to drill so
we can (for instance) debur the backside of the holes?
The exhaust hangers will be totally different, and I have heard that
Vetterman is providing a new/improved hanger arrangement. Does anyone have
experience with the new hanger setup they can share? Does it
attach with some of the sump bolts? Or some other mechanism? In short, is
there anything we need to be forewarned about regarding the hangers?
His current setup has the breather tube routed into one of the exhaust
pipes. This will need to change as well. Does anyone have good examples of
how (and where) to terminate the breather line? Any "gotchas" or "best
practices" we should be aware of? How about torque values on the attach
bolts? On the sump or case bolts, if we have to remove them to attach the
hanger? Anything I've forgotten?
Thanks, in advance, for any up-front educating you can give me so we get
this right the first time.
-- Dwight
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AHH, Yes. The old six feet of snow, barefoot, a 50 MPH wind in your face both ways
and in the dark too. Know it well.
However there are still lots of "previous generation" types who are starting to
build everyday in the "old" way (no way but the "old" way if you build an HRII).
But you just don't seem to hear them complaining as loud or as often. Asking
questions, need help on something but no whinning. Want the newest info on
glass panels, filling pin holes, tunnel heat, auto pilot interface problems ?
?, the RV-10 list is the place to go. But ya'll still need to take the cheese.
8*)
KABONG Do Not Archive.
Next projects: P-51 pedal plane built from plans and modified to be an N561FS look
alike. Including making the wheel pants & farings from scratch (no plans).
In (YUCK) fiberglass yet. ASAP start work on an RV-12 kit (waiting on Van's...early
'08 maybe), finish up getting 1967 Dodge Charger car show ready (bought
new in '67 by Tom's (Gummibear) Dad.
Smile a lot: People will wonder what you're up to...
This has got uphill both ways in snow written all over it! The previous
>generation always has it worse than the next, and the older group never
>wants to hear the woes of the younger generation....while each
>generation always feels that they are justified in their complaining.
>LOL
>Dan
>N289DT RV10E and yes the cabin top does suck, so much fiberglass
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| Subject: | CHT's and EGT's Spreads? |
I just recently did my first flight in my RV-7A. All went very well and the
plane flew straight and true. As with all new builds, there are some
squawks I'm working through.........primarily related to the initial setup
of my Grand Rapids Horizon System EFIS.
The GRT requires me to input "ranges" (min, max) for virtually every engine
parameter known to man. My question to the group is what are typical ranges
for CHTs and EGTs? And more importantly, how much variation between
cylinders is acceptable, and how much deviation means I have a problem that
needs to be addressed. For example, if I have a 100 degree difference in
CHT from my coolest to my hottest cylinder, is that a problem?
My engine is an AeroSport (Lycomming clone) IO-360.
Thanks in advance,
Garry Stout
N498WT, Odessa Florida
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| Subject: | What cost flying ? |
Listers,
Got my medical and heart thing renewed today. Cost, ever
rising, was about $150 or so. I have no complaints. Here I am in the
sunset of the logbook, cleared to go and for another two years , free to
get up there and watch for the eagles and things and see the map of the
world in its real colors spread out as far as these old eyes can
appreciate.
Airplanes have been sold and pilots standing down for whatever the
reason may be and airspace is constantly under review and now, where we
used to be free to buzz over wherever our friends wanted to meet up and
join, you best watch for the Blackhawks of Homeland Security who will
intercept and scare you some even if you have talked to all who need to
know who you are and where...but, that is OK too as the world is not the
same anymore and cheap gas will never return. But surely as a hormone
driven young lad is compelled to pursue love, an old and incurable
flight lover will fly on until the cost is the killer.
And even then, as long as one can drive or bus out to the field
where engine sounds are ever rising and falling, airplanes or any part
of the flying experience will draw the faithful.
Spring has not yet made up its mind to stay or wait awhile, so
a warm sunny day is followed by one which almost demands Special
VFR...here comes a black and ominous blanket of cloud pushing pelting
rain before it and a fair bit of bouncing around, but I remember such a
day long ago, as..here I am up here and in no position to bargain. five
of us set out on a cross country and I see none of them and luckily, a
single ray of sunshine, much like a beam from a flashlight comes from
the cloud and I can see my grass strip and land for coffee, a breather,
and an oath of the old refrain of being glad to be down here wishing I
was up there rather than being up there and wishing I was down here ..
The fresh West wind blows the system farther up the valley where granite
yields not at all and I am free to go home, where I find the other 4
have long since been and although I have garnered some brownie points
for judgement, I feel not so much the dumbbell, but the graduate..Nature
is at once awful and beautiful and another day away is a completely
different canvas. This is why I have always marveled at the cost of the
roll of the dice of many I have known who have bought the farm one day,
and 24 hours later, or less, could have been around to stay another few
or many years if the weather was not as it was that day.
Doc says to me, fly as long as you can and don't do anything
stupid. Well, I have done, and will likely do again, something stupid,
but each time I did learn and was less and less a gambler. Another
benefit is that it has been a very long time since the tower guys have
asked me to phone them after I shutdown.
Ah ! those innocent days when I landed on the taxi way at San Jose
thinking that all that new blacktop just had to be the new strip.
They were nice to me though. Much nicer than they had to be because you
see, they thought I was a student from over the hills who don't know how
to use a radio, if it works, and answer " Roger " to everything, even if
it is a directive to crash and burn...
About that radio, does anyone today know how to use an Aldis lamp and do
what it wants you to do ?
As with building my RV, I will never know the cost, real
and imagined, and do not have the answer to the two most irritating
questions, other than " is that a canoe "..like how much has it cost and
how long will it take ? Does it matter ?
A good friend has proclaimed that the cost of the glass goodies he wants
in his panel really is not what he wants to talk about since he " can't
take it with him " and other issues are more worrisome....All in all,
flying and anything associated with it is, as the ad says, " priceless "
and we are lucky we can still do it in this country, even if we have to
keep fighting to do so.
Oh, and one other thing, there is one thing which has changed not a
whit since I first found it at the dawn of time, and that is that flyers
and pilots are accorded a welcome, a shelter, the use of a car, a lunch,
a helping hand, especially in the far away, that I would not be quick to
expect if I were not a flyer.
Cost of being a flyer ?.......
What else would I do ?
do not archive.
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| Subject: | What cost flying ? |
Hey guys, Austin is back! I took the brash step of removing the d.n.a. note
from his post so I can see it again after the inevitable computer crash
wipes out all my emails.
Thanks, Austin. You make me want to get out to the shop and get this project
moving!
Terry
_____
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Austin
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 3:37 PM
Subject: RV-List: What cost flying ?
Listers,
Got my medical and heart thing renewed today. Cost, ever
rising, was about $150 or so. I have no complaints. Here I am in the sunset
of the logbook, cleared to go and for another two years , free to get up
there and watch for the eagles and things and see the map of the world in
its real colors spread out as far as these old eyes can appreciate.
Airplanes have been sold and pilots standing down for whatever the reason
may be and airspace is constantly under review and now, where we used to be
free to buzz over wherever our friends wanted to meet up and join, you best
watch for the Blackhawks of Homeland Security who will intercept and scare
you some even if you have talked to all who need to know who you are and
where...but, that is OK too as the world is not the same anymore and cheap
gas will never return. But surely as a hormone driven young lad is compelled
to pursue love, an old and incurable flight lover will fly on until the cost
is the killer.
And even then, as long as one can drive or bus out to the field
where engine sounds are ever rising and falling, airplanes or any part of
the flying experience will draw the faithful.
Spring has not yet made up its mind to stay or wait awhile, so a
warm sunny day is followed by one which almost demands Special VFR...here
comes a black and ominous blanket of cloud pushing pelting rain before it
and a fair bit of bouncing around, but I remember such a day long ago,
as..here I am up here and in no position to bargain. five of us set out on a
cross country and I see none of them and luckily, a single ray of sunshine,
much like a beam from a flashlight comes from the cloud and I can see my
grass strip and land for coffee, a breather, and an oath of the old refrain
of being glad to be down here wishing I was up there rather than being up
there and wishing I was down here ..
The fresh West wind blows the system farther up the valley where granite
yields not at all and I am free to go home, where I find the other 4 have
long since been and although I have garnered some brownie points for
judgement, I feel not so much the dumbbell, but the graduate..Nature is at
once awful and beautiful and another day away is a completely different
canvas. This is why I have always marveled at the cost of the roll of the
dice of many I have known who have bought the farm one day, and 24 hours
later, or less, could have been around to stay another few or many years if
the weather was not as it was that day.
Doc says to me, fly as long as you can and don't do anything
stupid. Well, I have done, and will likely do again, something stupid, but
each time I did learn and was less and less a gambler. Another benefit is
that it has been a very long time since the tower guys have asked me to
phone them after I shutdown.
Ah ! those innocent days when I landed on the taxi way at San Jose thinking
that all that new blacktop just had to be the new strip.
They were nice to me though. Much nicer than they had to be because you see,
they thought I was a student from over the hills who don't know how to use a
radio, if it works, and answer " Roger " to everything, even if it is a
directive to crash and burn...
About that radio, does anyone today know how to use an Aldis lamp and do
what it wants you to do ?
As with building my RV, I will never know the cost, real and
imagined, and do not have the answer to the two most irritating questions,
other than " is that a canoe "..like how much has it cost and how long will
it take ? Does it matter ?
A good friend has proclaimed that the cost of the glass goodies he wants in
his panel really is not what he wants to talk about since he " can't take it
with him " and other issues are more worrisome....All in all, flying and
anything associated with it is, as the ad says, " priceless " and we are
lucky we can still do it in this country, even if we have to keep fighting
to do so.
Oh, and one other thing, there is one thing which has changed not a whit
since I first found it at the dawn of time, and that is that flyers and
pilots are accorded a welcome, a shelter, the use of a car, a lunch, a
helping hand, especially in the far away, that I would not be quick to
expect if I were not a flyer.
Cost of being a flyer ?.......
What else would I do ?
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| Subject: | Re: What cost flying ? |
You're a lucky man A good post to remember when we get into all the kvetching about
this and that.
At least you can fly.
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Bob Collins
St. Paul, Minn.
RV Builder's Hotline (free!)
http://rvhotline.expercraft.com
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Eloquently said.
You have the soul of an aviator and the heart of a poet.
---- Austin <limatango@shaw.ca> wrote:
> Listers,
> Got my medical and heart thing renewed today. Cost, ever rising,
was about $150 or so. I have no complaints. Here I am in the sunset of the
logbook, cleared to go and for another two years , free to get up there and watch
for the eagles and things and see the map of the world in its real colors
spread out as far as these old eyes can appreciate.
> Airplanes have been sold and pilots standing down for whatever the reason may
be and airspace is constantly under review and now, where we used to be free
to buzz over wherever our friends wanted to meet up and join, you best watch for
the Blackhawks of Homeland Security who will intercept and scare you some even
if you have talked to all who need to know who you are and where...but, that
is OK too as the world is not the same anymore and cheap gas will never return.
But surely as a hormone driven young lad is compelled to pursue love, an
old and incurable flight lover will fly on until the cost is the killer.
> And even then, as long as one can drive or bus out to the field where
engine sounds are ever rising and falling, airplanes or any part of the flying
experience will draw the faithful.
> Spring has not yet made up its mind to stay or wait awhile, so a warm
sunny day is followed by one which almost demands Special VFR...here comes
a black and ominous blanket of cloud pushing pelting rain before it and a fair
bit of bouncing around, but I remember such a day long ago, as..here I am up
here and in no position to bargain. five of us set out on a cross country and
I see none of them and luckily, a single ray of sunshine, much like a beam from
a flashlight comes from the cloud and I can see my grass strip and land for
coffee, a breather, and an oath of the old refrain of being glad to be down here
wishing I was up there rather than being up there and wishing I was down here
..
> The fresh West wind blows the system farther up the valley where granite yields
not at all and I am free to go home, where I find the other 4 have long since
been and although I have garnered some brownie points for judgement, I feel
not so much the dumbbell, but the graduate..Nature is at once awful and beautiful
and another day away is a completely different canvas. This is why I have
always marveled at the cost of the roll of the dice of many I have known who
have bought the farm one day, and 24 hours later, or less, could have been around
to stay another few or many years if the weather was not as it was that day.
> Doc says to me, fly as long as you can and don't do anything stupid.
Well, I have done, and will likely do again, something stupid, but each time
I did learn and was less and less a gambler. Another benefit is that it has
been a very long time since the tower guys have asked me to phone them after I
shutdown.
> Ah ! those innocent days when I landed on the taxi way at San Jose thinking that
all that new blacktop just had to be the new strip.
> They were nice to me though. Much nicer than they had to be because you see,
they thought I was a student from over the hills who don't know how to use a radio,
if it works, and answer " Roger " to everything, even if it is a directive
to crash and burn...
> About that radio, does anyone today know how to use an Aldis lamp and do what
it wants you to do ?
> As with building my RV, I will never know the cost, real and imagined,
and do not have the answer to the two most irritating questions, other
than " is that a canoe "..like how much has it cost and how long will it take
? Does it matter ?
> A good friend has proclaimed that the cost of the glass goodies he wants in his
panel really is not what he wants to talk about since he " can't take it with
him " and other issues are more worrisome....All in all, flying and anything
associated with it is, as the ad says, " priceless " and we are lucky we can
still do it in this country, even if we have to keep fighting to do so.
> Oh, and one other thing, there is one thing which has changed not a whit since
I first found it at the dawn of time, and that is that flyers and pilots are
accorded a welcome, a shelter, the use of a car, a lunch, a helping hand, especially
in the far away, that I would not be quick to expect if I were not a
flyer.
> Cost of being a flyer ?.......
> What else would I do ?
> do not archive.
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Austin's back, great!
Please share your talented writing often.
Dick Sipp
RV10
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I remember getting grief from other slow builders because my kit came with a
precut firewall with all the little bits clecoed in place. I was elated when
someone finally got a Quickbuild so I could pass it along. Guess they'll
always be a pecking order.
Regards,
Greg Young - Houston (DWH)
RV-6 N6GY ...project Phoenix
Navion N5221K - just an XXL RV-6A
>
> This has got uphill both ways in snow written all over it! The previous
> generation always has it worse than the next, and the older group never
> wants to hear the woes of the younger generation....while each
> generation always feels that they are justified in their complaining.
> LOL
> Dan
> N289DT RV10E and yes the cabin top does suck, so much fiberglass on a
> metal plane is not right!
>
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| Subject: | Re: What cost flying ? |
Austin, Being a 57 year old pilot from Minnesota I totally understand
your story and love your dream. For me there is nothing better than
getting my medical and being up in the air over a ice covered lake in
slow flight and thanking my lucky stars that Denny my CFI gave me the
knowledge to learn from my own mistakes. Great story and always
remember, there are a number of young people at the local airport
looking for a ride with you Austin...
Jim
RV9a builder
----- Original Message -----
From: Austin
To: rv-list rv-list
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 5:36 PM
Subject: RV-List: What cost flying ?
Listers,
Got my medical and heart thing renewed today. Cost,
ever rising, was about $150 or so. I have no complaints. Here I am in
the sunset of the logbook, cleared to go and for another two years ,
free to get up there and watch for the eagles and things and see the map
of the world in its real colors spread out as far as these old eyes can
appreciate.
Airplanes have been sold and pilots standing down for whatever the
reason may be and airspace is constantly under review and now, where we
used to be free to buzz over wherever our friends wanted to meet up and
join, you best watch for the Blackhawks of Homeland Security who will
intercept and scare you some even if you have talked to all who need to
know who you are and where...but, that is OK too as the world is not the
same anymore and cheap gas will never return. But surely as a hormone
driven young lad is compelled to pursue love, an old and incurable
flight lover will fly on until the cost is the killer.
And even then, as long as one can drive or bus out to the
field where engine sounds are ever rising and falling, airplanes or any
part of the flying experience will draw the faithful.
Spring has not yet made up its mind to stay or wait awhile,
so a warm sunny day is followed by one which almost demands Special
VFR...here comes a black and ominous blanket of cloud pushing pelting
rain before it and a fair bit of bouncing around, but I remember such a
day long ago, as..here I am up here and in no position to bargain. five
of us set out on a cross country and I see none of them and luckily, a
single ray of sunshine, much like a beam from a flashlight comes from
the cloud and I can see my grass strip and land for coffee, a breather,
and an oath of the old refrain of being glad to be down here wishing I
was up there rather than being up there and wishing I was down here ..
The fresh West wind blows the system farther up the valley where
granite yields not at all and I am free to go home, where I find the
other 4 have long since been and although I have garnered some brownie
points for judgement, I feel not so much the dumbbell, but the
graduate..Nature is at once awful and beautiful and another day away is
a completely different canvas. This is why I have always marveled at the
cost of the roll of the dice of many I have known who have bought the
farm one day, and 24 hours later, or less, could have been around to
stay another few or many years if the weather was not as it was that
day.
Doc says to me, fly as long as you can and don't do
anything stupid. Well, I have done, and will likely do again, something
stupid, but each time I did learn and was less and less a gambler.
Another benefit is that it has been a very long time since the tower
guys have asked me to phone them after I shutdown.
Ah ! those innocent days when I landed on the taxi way at San Jose
thinking that all that new blacktop just had to be the new strip.
They were nice to me though. Much nicer than they had to be because
you see, they thought I was a student from over the hills who don't know
how to use a radio, if it works, and answer " Roger " to everything,
even if it is a directive to crash and burn...
About that radio, does anyone today know how to use an Aldis lamp and
do what it wants you to do ?
As with building my RV, I will never know the cost, real
and imagined, and do not have the answer to the two most irritating
questions, other than " is that a canoe "..like how much has it cost and
how long will it take ? Does it matter ?
A good friend has proclaimed that the cost of the glass goodies he
wants in his panel really is not what he wants to talk about since he "
can't take it with him " and other issues are more worrisome....All in
all, flying and anything associated with it is, as the ad says, "
priceless " and we are lucky we can still do it in this country, even if
we have to keep fighting to do so.
Oh, and one other thing, there is one thing which has changed not a
whit since I first found it at the dawn of time, and that is that flyers
and pilots are accorded a welcome, a shelter, the use of a car, a lunch,
a helping hand, especially in the far away, that I would not be quick to
expect if I were not a flyer.
Cost of being a flyer ?.......
What else would I do ?
do not archive.
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5/1/2007 2:57 PM
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Great post. Reminds me of "quip" shared by another pilot. "These planes
are great for converting loads of money into moments that are priceless".
_____
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Austin
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 6:37 PM
Subject: RV-List: What cost flying ?
Listers,
Got my medical and heart thing renewed today. Cost, ever
rising, was about $150 or so. I have no complaints. Here I am in the sunset
of the logbook, cleared to go and for another two years , free to get up
there and watch for the eagles and things and see the map of the world in
its real colors spread out as far as these old eyes can appreciate.
Airplanes have been sold and pilots standing down for whatever the reason
may be and airspace is constantly under review and now, where we used to be
free to buzz over wherever our friends wanted to meet up and join, you best
watch for the Blackhawks of Homeland Security who will intercept and scare
you some even if you have talked to all who need to know who you are and
where...but, that is OK too as the world is not the same anymore and cheap
gas will never return. But surely as a hormone driven young lad is compelled
to pursue love, an old and incurable flight lover will fly on until the cost
is the killer.
And even then, as long as one can drive or bus out to the field
where engine sounds are ever rising and falling, airplanes or any part of
the flying experience will draw the faithful.
Spring has not yet made up its mind to stay or wait awhile, so a
warm sunny day is followed by one which almost demands Special VFR...here
comes a black and ominous blanket of cloud pushing pelting rain before it
and a fair bit of bouncing around, but I remember such a day long ago,
as..here I am up here and in no position to bargain. five of us set out on a
cross country and I see none of them and luckily, a single ray of sunshine,
much like a beam from a flashlight comes from the cloud and I can see my
grass strip and land for coffee, a breather, and an oath of the old refrain
of being glad to be down here wishing I was up there rather than being up
there and wishing I was down here ..
The fresh West wind blows the system farther up the valley where granite
yields not at all and I am free to go home, where I find the other 4 have
long since been and although I have garnered some brownie points for
judgement, I feel not so much the dumbbell, but the graduate..Nature is at
once awful and beautiful and another day away is a completely different
canvas. This is why I have always marveled at the cost of the roll of the
dice of many I have known who have bought the farm one day, and 24 hours
later, or less, could have been around to stay another few or many years if
the weather was not as it was that day.
Doc says to me, fly as long as you can and don't do anything
stupid. Well, I have done, and will likely do again, something stupid, but
each time I did learn and was less and less a gambler. Another benefit is
that it has been a very long time since the tower guys have asked me to
phone them after I shutdown.
Ah ! those innocent days when I landed on the taxi way at San Jose thinking
that all that new blacktop just had to be the new strip.
They were nice to me though. Much nicer than they had to be because you see,
they thought I was a student from over the hills who don't know how to use a
radio, if it works, and answer " Roger " to everything, even if it is a
directive to crash and burn...
About that radio, does anyone today know how to use an Aldis lamp and do
what it wants you to do ?
As with building my RV, I will never know the cost, real and
imagined, and do not have the answer to the two most irritating questions,
other than " is that a canoe "..like how much has it cost and how long will
it take ? Does it matter ?
A good friend has proclaimed that the cost of the glass goodies he wants in
his panel really is not what he wants to talk about since he " can't take it
with him " and other issues are more worrisome....All in all, flying and
anything associated with it is, as the ad says, " priceless " and we are
lucky we can still do it in this country, even if we have to keep fighting
to do so.
Oh, and one other thing, there is one thing which has changed not a whit
since I first found it at the dawn of time, and that is that flyers and
pilots are accorded a welcome, a shelter, the use of a car, a lunch, a
helping hand, especially in the far away, that I would not be quick to
expect if I were not a flyer.
Cost of being a flyer ?.......
What else would I do ?
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Oil cooler port location |
I know this has been hashed, but I can't find the answer in the
archives. Which port should be pressure to the oil cooler and which one
return on an O-320? The one I think is pressure is to the right of
center on the accessory case and the return is higher up on the left
side. Is that right? I'm moving our oil cooler to the engine mount
behind #4, mounted vertically and I want to make sure that the
pressurized oil is going in the bottom.
Pax,
Ed Holyoke
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| Subject: | Oil cooler port location |
I know this has been hashed, but I can't find the answer in the
archives. Which port should be pressure to the oil cooler and which one
return on an O-320? The one I think is pressure is to the right of
center on the accessory case and the return is higher up on the left
side. Is that right? I'm moving our oil cooler to the engine mount
behind #4, mounted vertically and I want to make sure that the
pressurized oil is going in the bottom.
Pax,
Ed Holyoke
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| Subject: | Re: Oil cooler port location |
In a message dated 5/2/2007 10:05:00 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
bicyclop@pacbell.net writes:
Which port should be pressure to the oil cooler and which one return on an
O-320? The one I think is pressure is to the right of center on the accessory
case and the return is higher up on the left side. Is that right?
======================================
Correctamundo! Bottom (pressure) port plumbs to bottom port on cooler.
GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 844hrs, Silicon Valley, CA)
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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| Subject: | Re: CHT's and EGT's Spreads? |
With a new engine you might initially try 450 CHT's and 1450 for EGT's. Remember
that 500 degrees is max allowable CHT and I don't recall the max allowable
for EGT but I think it is 1500 degrees (I'm sure if that is incorrect someone
on the list will provide the correct number). After the engine starts to loosen
up with break in you can probably adjust those limits downward somewhat.
A 100 degree spread in CHT is more than you want but you will most likely be able
to balance those temps with baffles plates in front of the front cylinders.
Experiment with different sizes and shapes. Make certain that your baffles
are well sealed so that all the cooling air is passing over the cylinder fins,
not leaking around the sides or front of the engine.
BTW, congratulations on the first flight.
--
Harry Crosby
RV-6 N16CX, 339 hours
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Garry" <garrys@tampabay.rr.com>
>
> I just recently did my first flight in my RV-7A. All went very well and the
> plane flew straight and true. As with all new builds, there are some
> squawks I'm working through.........primarily related to the initial setup
> of my Grand Rapids Horizon System EFIS.
>
> The GRT requires me to input "ranges" (min, max) for virtually every engine
> parameter known to man. My question to the group is what are typical ranges
> for CHTs and EGTs? And more importantly, how much variation between
> cylinders is acceptable, and how much deviation means I have a problem that
> needs to be addressed. For example, if I have a 100 degree difference in
> CHT from my coolest to my hottest cylinder, is that a problem?
>
> My engine is an AeroSport (Lycomming clone) IO-360.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Garry Stout
> N498WT, Odessa Florida
>
>
>
>
>
>
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