---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 05/05/07: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:58 AM - Looking for hangar designer (Paul Besing) 2. 03:21 AM - Re: Re:looking for a prop () 3. 04:39 AM - Re: Re: Re:looking for a prop (Steve Eberhart) 4. 04:39 AM - Re: Looking for hangar designer (Neal George) 5. 04:43 AM - Re: Exhaust Gasket Installation Question (linn Walters) 6. 05:07 AM - Re: Looking for hangar designer (Ed Anderson) 7. 05:56 AM - Re: Exhaust Gasket Installation Question (Dwight Frye) 8. 08:24 AM - Re: Looking for hangar designer (Paul Besing) 9. 08:49 AM - Re: Looking for hangar designer (Tim Bryan) 10. 10:46 AM - Re: Looking for hangar designer (Charlie England) 11. 02:45 PM - Re: Looking for hangar designer (Paul Besing) 12. 06:58 PM - Re: Exhaust Gasket Installation Question (Oldsfolks@aol.com) 13. 07:02 PM - Re: Exhaust Installation (Oldsfolks@aol.com) 14. 09:06 PM - Blaine Aviation Weekend (Lyle Peterson) 15. 10:50 PM - Re: Exhaust Gasket Installation Question (linn Walters) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:58:08 AM PST US From: Paul Besing Subject: RV-List: Looking for hangar designer do not archive Hey all, I'm looking at building a hangar/condo/gameroom combination on an airstrip. Anyone know of a firm that specializes in this? Thanks in advance. Paul Besing --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:21:56 AM PST US From: Subject: RV-List: Re: Re:looking for a prop >From: "Eric Whiteside" > Dive for the foxholes ha ha funny you are right see..... >>From: Bob >> >>Where I can I find the raw data or the source information? >>How about a list of all the props used in comparison evaluation? >>blaaa blaaa blaaa blaaa blaaa blaaa Bob I usually don't respond to some one that's sporting what seems to be an chip or attitude. How about you tell me what prop turns you on and I say GREAT and tell you what you want to hear, its the best. If you want the truth Van (Richard Vangrusven) did the test. I have been involved in RV's for +20 years and I can tell you his test abilities are scientific and meaningful. The test results where published in the RVator. Because I like you I scanned it and its here: http://img82.imageshack.us/my.php?image=prop200415me.jpg (might have to click to make full size) Now of course this is the Sensenich against all constant speed props and at one "cruise condition". Lets just say the Hartzell BA (blended airfoil) prop is the best of the best and also like the Sensenich, designed, engineered and test specifically for the RV, unlike generic props that are made for the RV market. The Sensenich was almost as fast as the Hartzell in this test and faster than many of the other constant speed props. Note you can debate and whine about how this test did not test XYZ condition or ABC condition, but I don't care. This is a significant test that is meaningful and gives a good bench mark and is consistent with theoretical predictions and results others have seen. I did flight test for a living and now fly large jets; I know what I am talking about, and I am not going to argue with you. Believe what you want. I can tell by your post you know everything.) Before you lecture me, the Professor, I have a masters in Aeronautical engineering and fly big jets so I am smarter than you. (ha ha ha ha). Seriously let me spell it out two truths: 1) Metal bladed props are thinner and more efficient than any wood bladed or wood / fiberglass prop. Fact 2) Three bladed props are slower than two bladed in the horse power and speed range RV's run in. When you get into 600 HP and 250 kts you might have an advantage with three blades. Fact Catto makes a nice prop but its not the fastest, sorry. They are well made and only heard of one break apart, spit a blade clean off. That was on Reno racer. There are advantages of wood like lower weight and less vibration. Now the soft advantage of Sensenich is its a BIG company that has been in business like 80 years and made a prop specifically for RV's. I think their engineering and testing is probably better than say Catto, a guy carving props out in his shop, no offense. Keep in mind when we talk 4 or 6 mph it may be only 2% or 3% difference in performance. Cost? Sensenich with all the hardware is $2000. What does a Catto cost? $3000 with out hardware? Nuff said, but I would beg guys to not be blinded by the sexy look of a painted three blade wood prop over a boring grey two blade Sensenich, which although is boring to look at on the ground is technically superior. Last Catto guys (guys flying Catto or other props) who don't lie estimate they are about 4-7 mph slower than the Sensenich. The problem with testing props is there are so side by side prop test. Swapping props out on the same plane is a pain. Ideally you would get two similar planes and fly them side by side and than swap props. Because of this hassle there is a lack of information and data. The prop makers don't want to do it. They would rather float a myth that theirs is the best. This opens the field to tall tails, unsupportable claims and really bad flight test data. When so called test are done sometimes like a MT prop dealer Lessdrag in CA, who although is well meaning, has no clue and ends up with results that are clearly garbage. That does not apply to Van who has an impeccable reputation for accurate and repeatable test data. However despite the lack of test data I know the math and prop theory , the basics. Just on paper the Sensenich is faster than other fixed props. Look at the above data, the slowest is a wood- fiberglass MT three blade prop. That is NOT an accident. One reason is as I mentioned above, I'll repeat: ***** Wood props are thicker than metal and therefore wood props are less efficient (slower). This effect is not as prevalent on slow planes or in climbs (slow speed). The Sensenich was DESIGNED specifically for the RV and was tested by professional prop designers, engineers and technicians ***** You can flame me, that is fine. If you just want to believe your prop or the one you want to buy is the the best in the world and will not consider the info I presented, I'm OK with that, but don't waste your time flaming me; I don't care and you are clearly smarter than I am. And if your buddy is going lickity split in his RV with a Catto (turning 2,950 rpm) than great. BTW Lycoming says your engine should be torn down if you turn higher than 2,970 RPM. Don't shoot the messenger, Lycoming service bulletin. Even rpm over 2835 rpm is serious and requires major repeated inspections. Yes, you will go faster if you over rev your engine, but RPM for RPM the Sensenich is more efficient with its thinner blades. PROP for PROP the Sensenich is the best performing and BEST value of any fixed prop available for the RV, period. Now weight and looks is another factor. I also like the feel of a fixed wood prop, but a well balanced metal prop on a balanced engine is plenty smooth if properly installed and balanced. No offense to Catto or MT or other wood bladed props, but there are compromises in life and no free lunch. Bob, don't be offended I am only raging on you because of your 20 questions you demanded answers for. Sincerely the Professor, George ATP/CFI-II-ME, RV-7/RV--4/B757 --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:39:42 AM PST US From: Steve Eberhart Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Re:looking for a prop gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com wrote: [snip] > Cost? Sensenich with all the hardware is $2000. > What does a Catto cost? $3000 with out hardware? Really hate to detract from a good professional rant by bringing facts to the table, but, just to keep the record straight here is my invoice: Invoice Catto Propellers 15301 Jesus Maria Rd. Mokelumne Hill, CA 95245 209-754-3553 +-----------------------------------+ | DATE | INVOICE # | +-----------------------------------+ | 2/11/07 | 826 | +-----------------------------------+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ | BILL TO | SHIP TO | +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ | xxxxxxxxxxxxxx | | | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | | | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | Same | | xxxxxxxxxxxx | | | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | | +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---------------+ | DUE DATE | +---------------+ | 6/4/07 | +---------------+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | ITEM | DESCRIPTION | QTY | RATE | AMOUNT | +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ |3-Bladed |3-Bladed Wood/Glass Composite | 1.0|1,850.00| 1,850.00| | |Propeller for RV-7A | | | | | |66" Diameter x 76" Pitch | | | | | |0-360 180HP@2700RPM | | | | | |Top Speed at Target RPM- | | | | | |205mph@2800rpm | | | | | |4.375" Finished Propeller | | | | | |Thickness | | | | | |7" Diameter Prop Flange | | | | | |SAE-2 Pattern, 1/2" Bolts and | | | | | |3/4" Lugs | | | | | |Color White with Customer | | | | | |supplied tip color.. Crescent | | | | | |Tips | | | | | | | | | | |Shipping |Shipping Charges | 1.0| 65.00| 65.00| |Labor |Fitting of Customers Spinner | 1.0| 110.00| 110.00| | |Kit, cutouts, tracking and | | | | | |drilling of mounting holes. | | | | | |Call customer to when to ship | | | | | |Spinner Kit. | | | | +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ |7.25% Tax | | 0.00| |Subtotal | | 2,025.00| | | +---------------------------+ |Total | | 2,025.00| +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Steve Eberhart RV-7A, on it's gear with engine mounted DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:39:42 AM PST US From: "Neal George" Subject: RE: RV-List: Looking for hangar designer Hey Paul - Are you back? I hear Ed Anderson has some experience...8-O Neal E. George 2023 Everglades Drive Navarre, FL 32566 Home - 850-515-0640 Cell - 850-218-4838 _____ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Besing Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 4:57 AM Subject: RV-List: Looking for hangar designer do not archive Hey all, I'm looking at building a hangar/condo/gameroom combination on an airstrip. Anyone know of a firm that specializes in this? Thanks in advance. Paul Besing _____ Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:43:38 AM PST US From: linn Walters Subject: Re: RV-List: Exhaust Gasket Installation Question My info says dry. Here it comes: BUT, those doing the blo-pruf installs may be trying to cover up eroded flange faces because the old, leaky, gaskets weren't replaced in a timely manner. There is a tool that will face the gasket seat while the cylinder is still on the engine. I just ran out of info. Linn do not archive Dwight Frye wrote: > >So ... again, I'm helping a friend install new exhausts on his RV-4, >and I have (yet another) question. The exhaust system came with a full >set of slow-blow gaskets. My understanding (potentially incorrect) was >that these were installed dry (i.e. without any sealant, goop, or goo). >Furthermore, no mention of sealant was made in the installation notes >from Vetterman. > >However, upon pulling off the old badly rusted exhaust pipes it seemed >that the old gaskets .. which clearly were identical to what we were about >to install .. had some rubbery goo used on them. > >To goo, or not to goo. That is the question. Are we supposed to use some >sealant? If so, what? Enquiring minds want to know. Thanks! > > -- Dwight > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:07:40 AM PST US From: "Ed Anderson" Subject: Re: RV-List: Looking for hangar designer Thanks, but no thanks, Neal. Hangar and hydraulic operated doors turned out fine - but too much work, would rather build an another RV {:>) Ed Ed Anderson Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered Matthews, NC eanderson@carolina.rr.com http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: Neal George To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 7:30 AM Subject: RE: RV-List: Looking for hangar designer Hey Paul - Are you back? I hear Ed Anderson has some experience...8-O Neal E. George 2023 Everglades Drive Navarre, FL 32566 Home - 850-515-0640 Cell - 850-218-4838 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Besing Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 4:57 AM To: rv-list@matronics.com Subject: RV-List: Looking for hangar designer do not archive Hey all, I'm looking at building a hangar/condo/gameroom combination on an airstrip. Anyone know of a firm that specializes in this? Thanks in advance. Paul Besing ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?RV-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:56:15 AM PST US From: Dwight Frye Subject: Re: RV-List: Exhaust Gasket Installation Question Thanks for the confirmation on installing the gaskets. I sure THOUGHT I remembered they were to be installed dry. Any thoughts on how to _tell_ if the gasket seat needs to be re-faced? Clearly if there is any obvious/visible erosion that would be a hint ... but if they look un-damaged, might there still be subtle/invisible issues to be addressed? -- Dwight On Sat May 5 07:42:05 2007, linn Walters wrote : > > >My info says dry. >Here it comes: BUT, those doing the blo-pruf installs may be trying to >cover up eroded flange faces because the old, leaky, gaskets weren't >replaced in a timely manner. There is a tool that will face the gasket >seat while the cylinder is still on the engine. >I just ran out of info. >Linn >do not archive > >Dwight Frye wrote: > >> >>So ... again, I'm helping a friend install new exhausts on his RV-4, >>and I have (yet another) question. The exhaust system came with a full >>set of slow-blow gaskets. My understanding (potentially incorrect) was >>that these were installed dry (i.e. without any sealant, goop, or goo). >>Furthermore, no mention of sealant was made in the installation notes >>from Vetterman. >> >>However, upon pulling off the old badly rusted exhaust pipes it seemed >>that the old gaskets .. which clearly were identical to what we were about >>to install .. had some rubbery goo used on them. >> >>To goo, or not to goo. That is the question. Are we supposed to use some >>sealant? If so, what? Enquiring minds want to know. Thanks! >> >> -- Dwight ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:24:59 AM PST US From: Paul Besing Subject: RE: RV-List: Looking for hangar designer Not yet..still in Afghanistan. I will be here through the end of the year. I had bought some land on an airpark and wanted to get the ball rolling for when I return..maybe have it at least designed and approved for constuction. Neal George wrote: Hey Paul - Are you back? I hear Ed Anderson has some experience...8-O Neal E. George 2023 Everglades Drive Navarre, FL 32566 Home - 850-515-0640 Cell - 850-218-4838 --------------------------------- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Besing Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 4:57 AM Subject: RV-List: Looking for hangar designer do not archive Hey all, I'm looking at building a hangar/condo/gameroom combination on an airstrip. Anyone know of a firm that specializes in this? Thanks in advance. Paul Besing --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com --------------------------------- Get your own web address. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:49:00 AM PST US From: "Tim Bryan" Subject: RE: RV-List: Looking for hangar designer Which Airpark Paul? _____ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Besing Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 10:22 AM Subject: RE: RV-List: Looking for hangar designer Not yet..still in Afghanistan. I will be here through the end of the year. I had bought some land on an airpark and wanted to get the ball rolling for when I return..maybe have it at least designed and approved for constuction. Neal George wrote: Hey Paul - Are you back? I hear Ed Anderson has some experience...8-O Neal E. George 2023 Everglades Drive Navarre, FL 32566 Home - 850-515-0640 Cell - 850-218-4838 _____ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Besing Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 4:57 AM Subject: RV-List: Looking for hangar designer do not archive Hey all, I'm looking at building a hangar/condo/gameroom combination on an airstrip. Anyone know of a firm that specializes in this? Thanks in advance. Paul Besing _____ Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/N avigator?RV-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com _____ Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:46:24 AM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Re: RV-List: Looking for hangar designer Here in the backwaters of the country (Mississippi) we just ask the chickens if we (and our planes) can move in with them. The best deal on structure is a chicken house (or other clear-span farm building). What it looks like finished is up to you (and your contractor, if you're flush with money). One of my neighbors lives in an hangar/apartment that looks like a museum: beautiful rough-sawn cypress siding, beaded cypress paneling in the apartment, with a '29 TravelAir in the hangar & all sorts of early aviation memorabilia both in the hangar and the apartment. Done right, there is no evidence of the structure's humble origins. Unfortunately, if add the word 'airpark' to your address along with City Codes, Homeowner Associations, etc., creativity can get stifled pretty quickly. Charlie Slobovia Outernational Airport (MS71) Pocahontas MS Paul Besing wrote: > Not yet..still in Afghanistan. I will be here through the end of the > year. I had bought some land on an airpark and wanted to get the ball > rolling for when I return..maybe have it at least designed and approved > for constuction. > > > */Neal George /* wrote: > > Hey Paul - > > Are you back? > > I hear Ed Anderson has some experience...8-O > > *Neal E. George* > 2023 Everglades Drive > Navarre, FL 32566 > Home - 850-515-0640 > Cell - 850-218-4838 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul Besing > *Sent:* Saturday, May 05, 2007 4:57 AM > *To:* rv-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* RV-List: Looking for hangar designer > > do not archive > > Hey all, I'm looking at building a hangar/condo/gameroom combination > on an airstrip. Anyone know of a firm that specializes in this? > > Thanks in advance. > > Paul Besing ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:45:58 PM PST US From: Paul Besing Subject: RE: RV-List: Looking for hangar designer Twin Hawks. AZ63. It's a small airpark with a dirt strip that is Northwest of Tucson, Arizona. I just bought six acres there..should be a fun project..bigger than any RV project I've been involved in I'm sure. do not archive Paul Besing Tim Bryan wrote: v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } Which Airpark Paul? --------------------------------- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Besing Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 10:22 AM Subject: RE: RV-List: Looking for hangar designer Not yet..still in Afghanistan. I will be here through the end of the year. I had bought some land on an airpark and wanted to get the ball rolling for when I return..maybe have it at least designed and approved for constuction. Neal George wrote: Hey Paul - Are you back? I hear Ed Anderson has some experience...8-O Neal E. George 2023 Everglades Drive Navarre, FL 32566 Home - 850-515-0640 Cell - 850-218-4838 --------------------------------- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Besing Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 4:57 AM Subject: RV-List: Looking for hangar designer do not archive Hey all, I'm looking at building a hangar/condo/gameroom combination on an airstrip. Anyone know of a firm that specializes in this? Thanks in advance. Paul Besing --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com --------------------------------- Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:58:06 PM PST US From: Oldsfolks@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Re: Exhaust Gasket Installation Question I have used a good heavy coat of aluminum paint on exhaust gaskets to help with heat transfer and maybe help to seal the joints. I do this on vehicles and on the RV-4 also. Bob Olds RV-4 Charleston, Arkansas ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:02:49 PM PST US From: Oldsfolks@aol.com Subject: RV-List: RE: Exhaust Installation You don't need the crankcase vent line to go INTO the exhaust pipe , just down to and almost against it. Any drops of oil will hit the pipe and become ash quickly. Has worked for me for years. Bob Olds RV-4 Charleston,Arkansas ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:06:21 PM PST US From: "Lyle Peterson" Subject: RV-List: Blaine Aviation Weekend This is coming very soon but it should be a great fly-in. EAA Chapter 237 is having a fly-in pancake breakfast and lunch at Anoka County Airport in Blaine, MN on May 19th and 20th Chapter 237's Famous Pancake Breakfast with sausage and beverage runs from 7a.m. to noon and lunch of hamburgers, hot dogs and chili runs until 4p.m. There are two really great aviation museums on the airport. Golden Wings Museum has a collection of beautifully restored vintage airplanes that includes five trimotors. American Wings Air Museum has a collection of warbirds from WWII to Dessert Storm. They also have a Wright Flyer replica, an original 1911 Steco biplane plus many other exhibits. There was a Swift, an Ercoupe, a Luscombe T8-F plus a lot of other vintage airplanes, warbirds and the usual later model airplanes at last year's event. There will be a Hangar Dance Saturday evening with the Sights and Sounds of Dave Andrews Big Band. This has been a lot of fun for everyone that attended in past years. More can be found at www.eaachapter237.org Thank you, Lyle Peterson President, EAA Chapter 237 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:50:14 PM PST US From: linn Walters Subject: Re: RV-List: Exhaust Gasket Installation Question I've never had one so bad it needed professional attention, but a good inspection with a mirror and good light should show any damage. It may just need some close inspection after the blo-prufs are installed. The other problem is the exhaust flange. The ears become bent after being installed by gorillas a few times. Check with a straightedge. Linn Dwight Frye wrote: > >Thanks for the confirmation on installing the gaskets. I sure >THOUGHT I remembered they were to be installed dry. > >Any thoughts on how to _tell_ if the gasket seat needs to be >re-faced? Clearly if there is any obvious/visible erosion >that would be a hint ... but if they look un-damaged, might >there still be subtle/invisible issues to be addressed? > > -- Dwight > >On Sat May 5 07:42:05 2007, linn Walters wrote : > > >> >>My info says dry. >>Here it comes: BUT, those doing the blo-pruf installs may be trying to >>cover up eroded flange faces because the old, leaky, gaskets weren't >>replaced in a timely manner. There is a tool that will face the gasket >>seat while the cylinder is still on the engine. >>I just ran out of info. >>Linn >>do not archive >> >>Dwight Frye wrote: >> >> >> >>> >>>So ... again, I'm helping a friend install new exhausts on his RV-4, >>>and I have (yet another) question. The exhaust system came with a full >>>set of slow-blow gaskets. My understanding (potentially incorrect) was >>>that these were installed dry (i.e. without any sealant, goop, or goo). >>>Furthermore, no mention of sealant was made in the installation notes >>> >>> >>>from Vetterman. >> >> >>>However, upon pulling off the old badly rusted exhaust pipes it seemed >>>that the old gaskets .. which clearly were identical to what we were about >>>to install .. had some rubbery goo used on them. >>> >>>To goo, or not to goo. That is the question. Are we supposed to use some >>>sealant? If so, what? Enquiring minds want to know. Thanks! >>> >>> -- Dwight >>> >>> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.