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1. 04:28 AM - Re: Looking for hangar designer (glen matejcek)
2. 05:44 AM - Re: Re: Looking for hangar designer (Mitchell Goodrich)
3. 07:06 AM - Re: Re: Looking for hangar designer (Paul Besing)
4. 07:23 AM - Re: Re: Looking for hangar designer (Chuck Jensen)
5. 07:56 AM - Re: Looking for hangar designer (Brian Meyette)
6. 08:27 AM - Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft. (J. R. Dial)
7. 08:58 AM - Re: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft. (Bruce Gray)
8. 09:05 AM - Re: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft. (Tim Bryan)
9. 09:09 AM - Re: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft. (Joseph Larson)
10. 09:22 AM - Re: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft. (linn Walters)
11. 09:32 AM - Re: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft. (Bruce Gray)
12. 09:33 AM - Re: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft. (linn Walters)
13. 10:04 AM - Re: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft. (Ralph E. Capen)
14. 10:27 AM - Re: Re: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft. ()
15. 10:30 AM - Re: Re: Looking for hangar designer (Paul Besing)
16. 10:53 AM - Re: Re: Looking for hangar designer (Konrad L. Werner)
17. 12:00 PM - Re: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft. (linn Walters)
18. 12:43 PM - Re: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft. (Ralph E. Capen)
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| Subject: | RE: Looking for hangar designer |
Hi Paul-
>Hey all, I'm looking at building a hangar/condo/gameroom combination on an
airstrip. Anyone know of a firm that specializes in this?
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>Paul Besing
Check out Living With Your PLane. They've got many designs on tap, as well
as listings of folks that do the work.
glen matejcek
aerobubba@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | RE: Looking for hangar designer |
Paul,
what part of the country?
Mitchell Goodrich
VEZE 60P
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of glen matejcek
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 7:25 AM
Subject: RV-List: RE: Looking for hangar designer
Hi Paul-
>Hey all, I'm looking at building a hangar/condo/gameroom combination on an
airstrip. Anyone know of a firm that specializes in this?
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>Paul Besing
Check out Living With Your PLane. They've got many designs on tap, as well
as listings of folks that do the work.
glen matejcek
aerobubba@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | RE: Looking for hangar designer |
Tucson, Arizona area. I've got an architect now, just looking for ideas and contractors
who build this kind of thing.
Paul Besing
Mitchell Goodrich <mgoodrich@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
Paul,
what part of the country?
Mitchell Goodrich
VEZE 60P
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of glen matejcek
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 7:25 AM
Subject: RV-List: RE: Looking for hangar designer
Hi Paul-
>Hey all, I'm looking at building a hangar/condo/gameroom combination on an
airstrip. Anyone know of a firm that specializes in this?
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>Paul Besing
Check out Living With Your PLane. They've got many designs on tap, as well
as listings of folks that do the work.
glen matejcek
aerobubba@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | RE: Looking for hangar designer |
Paul Besing wrote:
Tucson, Arizona area. I've got an architect now, just looking for ideas
and contractors who build this kind of thing.
Geez, Paul, if you have an architect and he doesn't have any ideas and
doesn't know a contractor, than maybe what you really have is a just
draftsman (a high dollar one at that).
Chuck
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Mitchell Goodrich <mgoodrich@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
Paul,
what part of the country?
Mitchell Goodrich
VEZE 60P
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of glen
matejcek
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 7:25 AM
To: RV-List Digest Server
Subject: RV-List: RE: Looking for hangar designer
Hi Paul-
>Hey all, I'm looking at building a hangar/condo/gameroom
combination
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| Subject: | Looking for hangar designer |
Morton Buildings specializes in buildings like that. Theyve built most of
the private hangars around here, and everyone seems satisfied with them.
Good price and lifetime warranty
http://mortonbuildings.com/
brian
http://brian76.mystarband.net/hangar.htm
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Paul Besing
Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 4:57 AM
Subject: RV-List: Looking for hangar designer
do not archive
Hey all, I'm looking at building a hangar/condo/gameroom combination on an
airstrip. Anyone know of a firm that specializes in this?
Thanks in advance.
Paul Besing
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| Subject: | Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft. |
I do not know if this is going on in other
states but the state of Texas is sending out sales/use tax notices on
Experimental homebuilt aircraft. Has anybody else run into this and how
does the law apply on this. My plane has been registered for several
years but they are evidently searching FAA data bases and trying to
collect sales tax as if the plane was bought from another person or they
want tax on the materials used in the construction of the plane. The guy
I talked to indicated they want tax on the value of the plane which
means you would be paying tax on your own labor?
If anybody else has addressed this I would
appreciate how you handled it and what the law requires.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft. |
Seek out the advice of a tax attorney, most states have statute of
limitation laws.
Bruce
www.glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of J. R. Dial
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 11:27 AM
Subject: RV-List: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft.
I do not know if this is going on in other
states
but the state of Texas is sending out sales/use tax notices on
Experimental
homebuilt aircraft. Has anybody else run into this and how does the law
apply on this. My plane has been registered for several years but they
are
evidently searching FAA data bases and trying to collect sales tax as if
the
plane was bought from another person or they want tax on the materials
used
in the construction of the plane. The guy I talked to indicated they
want
tax on the value of the plane which means you would be paying tax on
your
own labor?
If anybody else has addressed this I would
appreciate how you handled it and what the law requires.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft. |
I wonder what will happen with one that was built and registered in Oregon
and then recently changed it's registration to Texas.
Tim
_____
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of J. R. Dial
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 10:27 AM
Subject: RV-List: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft.
I do not know if this is going on in other states but
the state of Texas is sending out sales/use tax notices on Experimental
homebuilt aircraft. Has anybody else run into this and how does the law
apply on this. My plane has been registered for several years but they are
evidently searching FAA data bases and trying to collect sales tax as if the
plane was bought from another person or they want tax on the materials used
in the construction of the plane. The guy I talked to indicated they want
tax on the value of the plane which means you would be paying tax on your
own labor?
If anybody else has addressed this I would appreciate
how you handled it and what the law requires.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft. |
As I understand it --
They want tax on the stuff you bought mail order. Minnesota does
this. Theoretically anything I buy mail order I'm supposed to
voluntarily pay use tax on it. No one does this, of course, but the
state can go after you for the big stuff because it's worth their while.
If you have receipts for any of the bits showing you paid sales taxes
on any of it, you can use that to whittle down the amount of tax
Texas will charge you. Maybe you bought some radios at Oshgosh, for
instance.
Remember that the cost of the airplane is:
Cost of kit
+ cost of engine
+ cost of all those radios
+ cost of paint etc
Market value of the airplane is rarely a huge amount more than the
cost to build it.
-Joe
On May 7, 2007, at 10:26 AM, J. R. Dial wrote:
> I do not know if this is going on in other
> states but the state of Texas is sending out sales/use tax notices
> on Experimental homebuilt aircraft. Has anybody else run into this
> and how does the law apply on this. My plane has been registered
> for several years but they are evidently searching FAA data bases
> and trying to collect sales tax as if the plane was bought from
> another person or they want tax on the materials used in the
> construction of the plane. The guy I talked to indicated they want
> tax on the value of the plane which means you would be paying tax
> on your own labor?
>
> If anybody else has addressed this I would
> appreciate how you handled it and what the law requires.
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| Subject: | Re: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft. |
This seems to be normal in a number of states. I'm in FL and they do
the same thing here. I do not plan on registering my plane as an RV-10
just for this reason. It'll be a Walters Express or some other
non-descriptive title. I also plan on sending the State of FL some sum
of dollars for sales tax before I register the plane with the FAA.
Also be sure you know the difference between reserving an "N number" and
"registration". Most states will cull the FAA database for recent
resistrations, not a reservation. The other way states get info to
charge sales tax is from the bill of lading used by shippers when they
enter the state. The rotten B******S want to be able to force internet
sales companies to send them the cost of an item when they sell it. FL
law says if the company has an outlet in the state, then it must collect
sales tax, even if it's purchased outside the state and shipped in.
My big beef is that the states get multiple tax hits for used stuff,
such as when you sell a car. They already collected the tax when the
car was bought new. Multiple taxation at it's finest.
Linn
J. R. Dial wrote:
>
>
> I do not know if this is going on in other
> states but the state of Texas is sending out sales/use tax notices on
> Experimental homebuilt aircraft. Has anybody else run into this and
> how does the law apply on this. My plane has been registered for
> several years but they are evidently searching FAA data bases and
> trying to collect sales tax as if the plane was bought from another
> person or they want tax on the materials used in the construction of
> the plane. The guy I talked to indicated they want tax on the value of
> the plane which means you would be paying tax on your own labor?
>
> If anybody else has addressed this I would
> appreciate how you handled it and what the law requires.
>
>
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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| Subject: | Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft. |
Tax collectors have been know to use heavy handed and unlawful tactics
before. My policy, and I've fought a few battles, is not to provide ANY
information to the enemy. Tell them you're not subject to the tax, put
the
burden of proving you are on them, appeal any ruling up the chain of the
taxing agency all the way to the courts, if necessary.
If we all did this, they would soon tire and find some other complacent
citizen to plunder.
Bruce
www.glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Bryan
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 12:05 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft.
I wonder what will happen with one that was built and registered in
Oregon
and then recently changed it's registration to Texas.
Tim
_____
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of J. R. Dial
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 10:27 AM
Subject: RV-List: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft.
I do not know if this is going on in other states
but
the state of Texas is sending out sales/use tax notices on Experimental
homebuilt aircraft. Has anybody else run into this and how does the law
apply on this. My plane has been registered for several years but they
are
evidently searching FAA data bases and trying to collect sales tax as if
the
plane was bought from another person or they want tax on the materials
used
in the construction of the plane. The guy I talked to indicated they
want
tax on the value of the plane which means you would be paying tax on
your
own labor?
If anybody else has addressed this I would
appreciate
how you handled it and what the law requires.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List
http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft. |
Tim Bryan wrote:
> I wonder what will happen with one that was built and registered in
> Oregon and then recently changed it's registration to Texas.
>
I believe it'll show up as a 'new' registration, even if it's just an
address change. You may be asked top prove that sales tax has been paid
elsewhere, or that you owned the plane prior to the move. These guys
aren't stupid. Lazy mostly, but not stupid.
In reference to any airplane, they can take the model name and do an
internet search and find some comparable values for asking price. This
gives them some clue as to the value, but since asking price isn't sales
price, they won't nail you for the full amount. When you go register a
used car, they'll use a NADA guide to compare your sales price Vs. the
book price to determine if you 'fudged' the sales price. Same for
airplanes. If the search doesn't come up with a match, then they don't
have any clue what the real cost of the airplane is. YMMV depending on
what state you live in. I don't know what Delaware does with sales tax,
but it may be $$$ ahead to register your airplane in a delaware corp.
Maybe someone else can comment.
Linn
>
>
> Tim
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of J. R. Dial
> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 10:27 AM
> To: RV-List
> Subject: RV-List: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft.
>
>
>
>
>
> I do not know if this is going on in other
> states but the state of Texas is sending out sales/use tax notices on
> Experimental homebuilt aircraft. Has anybody else run into this and
> how does the law apply on this. My plane has been registered for
> several years but they are evidently searching FAA data bases and
> trying to collect sales tax as if the plane was bought from another
> person or they want tax on the materials used in the construction of
> the plane. The guy I talked to indicated they want tax on the value of
> the plane which means you would be paying tax on your own labor?
>
> If anybody else has addressed this I would
> appreciate how you handled it and what the law requires.
>
>
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft. |
Delaware does not have a Sales or Use tax
Ralph Capen
RV6AQB N822AR @ N06 (Laurel, DE) Finishing?!
-----Original Message-----
>From: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
>Sent: May 7, 2007 12:33 PM
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft.
>
>Tim Bryan wrote:
>
>> I wonder what will happen with one that was built and registered in
>> Oregon and then recently changed it's registration to Texas.
>>
>I believe it'll show up as a 'new' registration, even if it's just an
>address change. You may be asked top prove that sales tax has been paid
>elsewhere, or that you owned the plane prior to the move. These guys
>aren't stupid. Lazy mostly, but not stupid.
>
>In reference to any airplane, they can take the model name and do an
>internet search and find some comparable values for asking price. This
>gives them some clue as to the value, but since asking price isn't sales
>price, they won't nail you for the full amount. When you go register a
>used car, they'll use a NADA guide to compare your sales price Vs. the
>book price to determine if you 'fudged' the sales price. Same for
>airplanes. If the search doesn't come up with a match, then they don't
>have any clue what the real cost of the airplane is. YMMV depending on
>what state you live in. I don't know what Delaware does with sales tax,
>but it may be $$$ ahead to register your airplane in a delaware corp.
>Maybe someone else can comment.
>Linn
>
>>
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of J. R. Dial
>> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 10:27 AM
>> To: RV-List
>> Subject: RV-List: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I do not know if this is going on in other
>> states but the state of Texas is sending out sales/use tax notices on
>> Experimental homebuilt aircraft. Has anybody else run into this and
>> how does the law apply on this. My plane has been registered for
>> several years but they are evidently searching FAA data bases and
>> trying to collect sales tax as if the plane was bought from another
>> person or they want tax on the materials used in the construction of
>> the plane. The guy I talked to indicated they want tax on the value of
>> the plane which means you would be paying tax on your own labor?
>>
>> If anybody else has addressed this I would
>> appreciate how you handled it and what the law requires.
>>
>>
>>
>> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft. |
>I don't know what Delaware does with sales tax,
> but it may be $$$ ahead to register your airplane in a >delaware corp.
Don't do this in Ohio and I suspect other states are similiar. Ohio doesn't care
where the plane is registered. If they prove it's in Ohio most of the time,
as in just using Delaware as a tax shelter, it will get taxed anyways. If you
are paying local hangar or tie down fees, there is no way out.
>
> From: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
> Date: 2007/05/07 Mon AM 11:33:49 EST
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft.
>
> Tim Bryan wrote:
>
> > I wonder what will happen with one that was built and registered in
> > Oregon and then recently changed it's registration to Texas.
> >
> I believe it'll show up as a 'new' registration, even if it's just an
> address change. You may be asked top prove that sales tax has been paid
> elsewhere, or that you owned the plane prior to the move. These guys
> aren't stupid. Lazy mostly, but not stupid.
>
> In reference to any airplane, they can take the model name and do an
> internet search and find some comparable values for asking price. This
> gives them some clue as to the value, but since asking price isn't sales
> price, they won't nail you for the full amount. When you go register a
> used car, they'll use a NADA guide to compare your sales price Vs. the
> book price to determine if you 'fudged' the sales price. Same for
> airplanes. If the search doesn't come up with a match, then they don't
> have any clue what the real cost of the airplane is. YMMV depending on
> what state you live in. I don't know what Delaware does with sales tax,
> but it may be $$$ ahead to register your airplane in a delaware corp.
> Maybe someone else can comment.
> Linn
>
> >
> >
> > Tim
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of J. R. Dial
> > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 10:27 AM
> > To: RV-List
> > Subject: RV-List: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I do not know if this is going on in other
> > states but the state of Texas is sending out sales/use tax notices on
> > Experimental homebuilt aircraft. Has anybody else run into this and
> > how does the law apply on this. My plane has been registered for
> > several years but they are evidently searching FAA data bases and
> > trying to collect sales tax as if the plane was bought from another
> > person or they want tax on the materials used in the construction of
> > the plane. The guy I talked to indicated they want tax on the value of
> > the plane which means you would be paying tax on your own labor?
> >
> > If anybody else has addressed this I would
> > appreciate how you handled it and what the law requires.
> >
> >
> >
> > DO NOT ARCHIVE
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | RE: Looking for hangar designer |
I wanted to see some plans, some pictures, etc, so I can communicate what I like
to my architect with pictures and other ideas. I'm soley using him for designing
the building to my needs. But, I'd like a good starting point, and it doesn't
seem that there are hangar/home type plans out there like there are home
plans.
I plan on finding a contractor myself, as my architect is on the other side of
the country.
Chuck Jensen <cjensen@dts9000.com> wrote:
Paul Besing wrote:
Tucson, Arizona area. I've got an architect now, just looking for ideas and
contractors who build this kind of thing.
Geez, Paul, if you have an architect and he doesn't have any ideas and doesn't
know a contractor, than maybe what you really have is a just draftsman (a high
dollar one at that).
Chuck
Do Not Archive
Mitchell Goodrich <mgoodrich@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
Paul,
what part of the country?
Mitchell Goodrich
VEZE 60P
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of glen matejcek
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 7:25 AM
Subject: RV-List: RE: Looking for hangar designer
Hi Paul-
>Hey all, I'm looking at building a hangar/condo/gameroom combination
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Looking for hangar designer |
Paul,
I created my own plans for my two story "pilot lounge" layout, based on
thoughts I accumulated over time on what I wanted for it to be used for.
It will basically be like a wood framed apartment within the steel
hangar structure. Not really hard to do, so I don't see why you would
need an architect for it? Good Luck to you.
Do not archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Besing
Subject: Looking for hangar designer
I wanted to see some plans, some pictures, etc, so I can communicate
what I like to my architect with pictures and other ideas. I'm soley
using him for designing the building to my needs. But, I'd like a good
starting point, and it doesn't seem that there are hangar/home type
plans out there like there are home plans.
I plan on finding a contractor myself, as my architect is on the other
side of the country.
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| Subject: | Re: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft. |
Thanks Ralph!
A Delaware CO can be had for around $400.
Annual fee is for the registry company is $95.00 and the Delaware tax on
a Limited Liability Corp is a flat $200. For the $95.00 they'll forward
all your government correspondence to you. Specifically, stuff from the
FAA.
In FL we have a 6% sales tax (more in some counties) so for a $100,000
airplane that's $6000. It'll take you almost 20 years to break even
with the Delaware Corp.
Food for thought.
Linn
do not archive
Ralph E. Capen wrote:
>
>Delaware does not have a Sales or Use tax
>
>Ralph Capen
>
>RV6AQB N822AR @ N06 (Laurel, DE) Finishing?!
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>
>
>>From: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
>>Sent: May 7, 2007 12:33 PM
>>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: RV-List: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft.
>>
>>Tim Bryan wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>I wonder what will happen with one that was built and registered in
>>>Oregon and then recently changed it's registration to Texas.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>I believe it'll show up as a 'new' registration, even if it's just an
>>address change. You may be asked top prove that sales tax has been paid
>>elsewhere, or that you owned the plane prior to the move. These guys
>>aren't stupid. Lazy mostly, but not stupid.
>>
>>In reference to any airplane, they can take the model name and do an
>>internet search and find some comparable values for asking price. This
>>gives them some clue as to the value, but since asking price isn't sales
>>price, they won't nail you for the full amount. When you go register a
>>used car, they'll use a NADA guide to compare your sales price Vs. the
>>book price to determine if you 'fudged' the sales price. Same for
>>airplanes. If the search doesn't come up with a match, then they don't
>>have any clue what the real cost of the airplane is. YMMV depending on
>>what state you live in. I don't know what Delaware does with sales tax,
>>but it may be $$$ ahead to register your airplane in a delaware corp.
>>Maybe someone else can comment.
>>Linn
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Tim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>>>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of J. R. Dial
>>>Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 10:27 AM
>>>To: RV-List
>>>Subject: RV-List: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I do not know if this is going on in other
>>>states but the state of Texas is sending out sales/use tax notices on
>>>Experimental homebuilt aircraft. Has anybody else run into this and
>>>how does the law apply on this. My plane has been registered for
>>>several years but they are evidently searching FAA data bases and
>>>trying to collect sales tax as if the plane was bought from another
>>>person or they want tax on the materials used in the construction of
>>>the plane. The guy I talked to indicated they want tax on the value of
>>>the plane which means you would be paying tax on your own labor?
>>>
>>> If anybody else has addressed this I would
>>>appreciate how you handled it and what the law requires.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft. |
Good news for me - I keep my plane there anyway.....
-----Original Message-----
>From: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
>Sent: May 7, 2007 3:00 PM
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft.
>
>Thanks Ralph!
> A Delaware CO can be had for around $400.
>Annual fee is for the registry company is $95.00 and the Delaware tax on
>a Limited Liability Corp is a flat $200. For the $95.00 they'll forward
>all your government correspondence to you. Specifically, stuff from the
>FAA.
>In FL we have a 6% sales tax (more in some counties) so for a $100,000
>airplane that's $6000. It'll take you almost 20 years to break even
>with the Delaware Corp.
>Food for thought.
>Linn
>do not archive
>
>Ralph E. Capen wrote:
>
>>
>>Delaware does not have a Sales or Use tax
>>
>>Ralph Capen
>>
>>RV6AQB N822AR @ N06 (Laurel, DE) Finishing?!
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>
>>
>>>From: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
>>>Sent: May 7, 2007 12:33 PM
>>>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>>>Subject: Re: RV-List: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft.
>>>
>>>Tim Bryan wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I wonder what will happen with one that was built and registered in
>>>>Oregon and then recently changed it's registration to Texas.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>I believe it'll show up as a 'new' registration, even if it's just an
>>>address change. You may be asked top prove that sales tax has been paid
>>>elsewhere, or that you owned the plane prior to the move. These guys
>>>aren't stupid. Lazy mostly, but not stupid.
>>>
>>>In reference to any airplane, they can take the model name and do an
>>>internet search and find some comparable values for asking price. This
>>>gives them some clue as to the value, but since asking price isn't sales
>>>price, they won't nail you for the full amount. When you go register a
>>>used car, they'll use a NADA guide to compare your sales price Vs. the
>>>book price to determine if you 'fudged' the sales price. Same for
>>>airplanes. If the search doesn't come up with a match, then they don't
>>>have any clue what the real cost of the airplane is. YMMV depending on
>>>what state you live in. I don't know what Delaware does with sales tax,
>>>but it may be $$$ ahead to register your airplane in a delaware corp.
>>>Maybe someone else can comment.
>>>Linn
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Tim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of J. R. Dial
>>>>Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 10:27 AM
>>>>To: RV-List
>>>>Subject: RV-List: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I do not know if this is going on in other
>>>>states but the state of Texas is sending out sales/use tax notices on
>>>>Experimental homebuilt aircraft. Has anybody else run into this and
>>>>how does the law apply on this. My plane has been registered for
>>>>several years but they are evidently searching FAA data bases and
>>>>trying to collect sales tax as if the plane was bought from another
>>>>person or they want tax on the materials used in the construction of
>>>>the plane. The guy I talked to indicated they want tax on the value of
>>>>the plane which means you would be paying tax on your own labor?
>>>>
>>>> If anybody else has addressed this I would
>>>>appreciate how you handled it and what the law requires.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
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| Subject: | Garmin 496 - XM Antenna connector |
I am installing a Garmin 496 in my Super Decathlon and the 90 degree
connector for the XM Antenna has interference issues. The connector looks
like a standard Mini-USB-B 5-Pin ; so I cut the cable expecting to splice on
a cut cable from a standard Mini-USB-B cable.
The XM Antenna cable is 5-conductor. I'm learning by trial and error that
every Mini-USB-B cable I buy and cut is 4-conductor. Does anyone have any
good answers ?? All I'm needing is a straight connector on my XM Antenna.
Larry E. James
Bellevue, WA
Super Decathlon
Rocket (under construction)
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin 496 - XM Antenna connector |
Mine is close too. I'd call Garmin and ask.
--
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Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
On 5/7/07, Larry James <larry@ncproto.com> wrote:
>
> I am installing a Garmin 496 in my Super Decathlon and the 90 degree
> connector for the XM Antenna has interference issues. The connector looks
> like a standard Mini-USB-B 5-Pin ; so I cut the cable expecting to splice on
> a cut cable from a standard Mini-USB-B cable.
>
>
> The XM Antenna cable is 5-conductor. I'm learning by trial and error that
> every Mini-USB-B cable I buy and cut is 4-conductor. Does anyone have any
> good answers ?? All I'm needing is a straight connector on my XM Antenna.
>
>
> Larry E. James
>
> Bellevue, WA
>
> Super Decathlon
>
> Rocket (under construction)
>
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| Subject: | Re: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft. |
Same in Minnesota.
On May 7, 2007, at 12:25 PM, rvmail@thelefflers.com wrote:
> I don't know what Delaware does with sales tax,
> but it may be $$$ ahead to register your airplane in a >delaware corp.
Don't do this in Ohio and I suspect other states are similiar. Ohio
doesn't care where the plane is registered. If they prove it's in
Ohio most of the time, as in just using Delaware as a tax shelter, it
will get taxed anyways. If you are paying local hangar or tie down
fees, there is no way out.
>
> From: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
> Date: 2007/05/07 Mon AM 11:33:49 EST
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft.
>
> Tim Bryan wrote:
>
>> I wonder what will happen with one that was built and registered in
>> Oregon and then recently changed it's registration to Texas.
>>
> I believe it'll show up as a 'new' registration, even if it's just an
> address change. You may be asked top prove that sales tax has been
> paid
> elsewhere, or that you owned the plane prior to the move. These guys
> aren't stupid. Lazy mostly, but not stupid.
>
> In reference to any airplane, they can take the model name and do an
> internet search and find some comparable values for asking price.
> This
> gives them some clue as to the value, but since asking price isn't
> sales
> price, they won't nail you for the full amount. When you go
> register a
> used car, they'll use a NADA guide to compare your sales price Vs. the
> book price to determine if you 'fudged' the sales price. Same for
> airplanes. If the search doesn't come up with a match, then they
> don't
> have any clue what the real cost of the airplane is. YMMV
> depending on
> what state you live in. I don't know what Delaware does with sales
> tax,
> but it may be $$$ ahead to register your airplane in a delaware corp.
> Maybe someone else can comment.
> Linn
>
>>
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> ---
>>
>> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of J. R. Dial
>> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 10:27 AM
>> To: RV-List
>> Subject: RV-List: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I do not know if this is going on in other
>> states but the state of Texas is sending out sales/use tax notices on
>> Experimental homebuilt aircraft. Has anybody else run into this and
>> how does the law apply on this. My plane has been registered for
>> several years but they are evidently searching FAA data bases and
>> trying to collect sales tax as if the plane was bought from another
>> person or they want tax on the materials used in the construction of
>> the plane. The guy I talked to indicated they want tax on the
>> value of
>> the plane which means you would be paying tax on your own labor?
>>
>> If anybody else has addressed this I would
>> appreciate how you handled it and what the law requires.
>>
>>
>>
>> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft. |
When I lived in Texas I purchased a Grumman, and found the tax law convoluted.
I believe there is a TX web site and a possible reference site on AOPA. In the
end, I was not required to pay any tax.
In ID and OK (I consider home) one submits the price of parts and sales tax previously
paid. In ID one can pay tax each year on the parts purchased.
"J. R. Dial" <jrdial@hal-pc.org> wrote:
st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }
I do not know if this is going on in other states but
the state of Texas is sending out sales/use tax notices on Experimental homebuilt
aircraft. Has anybody else run into this and how does the law apply on this.
My plane has been registered for several years but they are evidently searching
FAA data bases and trying to collect sales tax as if the plane was bought
from another person or they want tax on the materials used in the construction
of the plane. The guy I talked to indicated they want tax on the value of the
plane which means you would be paying tax on your own labor?
If anybody else has addressed this I would appreciate
how you handled it and what the law requires.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Sherman Butler
RV-7a Wings
Idaho Falls
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| Subject: | Re: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft. |
Unless the tax was in place at the time the sale(s) took place, it would
be an unconstitutional retroactive tax. Most state and federal taxes
must be collected within 3 years unless fraud was involved.
Bruce Gray wrote:
> Seek out the advice of a tax attorney, most states have statute of
> limitation laws.
>
>
>
> Bruce
> www.glasair.org
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *J. R. Dial
> *Sent:* Monday, May 07, 2007 11:27 AM
> *To:* RV-List
> *Subject:* RV-List: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft.
>
>
>
> I do not know if this is going on in other
> states but the state of Texas is sending out sales/use tax notices
> on Experimental homebuilt aircraft. Has anybody else run into this
> and how does the law apply on this. My plane has been registered
> for several years but they are evidently searching FAA data bases
> and trying to collect sales tax as if the plane was bought from
> another person or they want tax on the materials used in the
> construction of the plane. The guy I talked to indicated they want
> tax on the value of the plane which means you would be paying tax
> on your own labor?
>
> If anybody else has addressed this I would
> appreciate how you handled it and what the law requires.
>
>
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
> *
>
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| Subject: | N64PR First Flight |
Thanks to all who have provided me with info on this site. Today I flew
my RV8 with TMX-IO360 and Hartzell Constant speed prop for the first
time. Flew straight and level hands off, no adjustments needed. The
acceleration is amazing. Now on to the small finish items.
Paul Rice
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| Subject: | Aero Classic Oil Cooler |
My oil cooler failed. Anyone have any idea who has the best price these days
on Aero Classic coolers?
John Henley, Rv7, 475 hrs
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| Subject: | Re: Aero Classic Oil Cooler |
John,
What size do you need? And how did yours fail? Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: JOHN HENLEY
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 8:42 PM
Subject: RV-List: Aero Classic Oil Cooler
My oil cooler failed. Anyone have any idea who has the best price
these days
on Aero Classic coolers?
John Henley, Rv7, 475 hrs
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| Subject: | Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft. |
And that would be 3 years from the date of purchase of the kit, not the date
of registration.
Bruce
www.glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft.
Unless the tax was in place at the time the sale(s) took place, it would
be an unconstitutional retroactive tax. Most state and federal taxes
must be collected within 3 years unless fraud was involved.
Bruce Gray wrote:
> Seek out the advice of a tax attorney, most states have statute of
> limitation laws.
>
>
>
> Bruce
> www.glasair.org
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *J. R. Dial
> *Sent:* Monday, May 07, 2007 11:27 AM
> *To:* RV-List
> *Subject:* RV-List: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft.
>
>
>
> I do not know if this is going on in other
> states but the state of Texas is sending out sales/use tax notices
> on Experimental homebuilt aircraft. Has anybody else run into this
> and how does the law apply on this. My plane has been registered
> for several years but they are evidently searching FAA data bases
> and trying to collect sales tax as if the plane was bought from
> another person or they want tax on the materials used in the
> construction of the plane. The guy I talked to indicated they want
> tax on the value of the plane which means you would be paying tax
> on your own labor?
>
> If anybody else has addressed this I would
> appreciate how you handled it and what the law requires.
>
>
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Fuel selector structure |
Ok, I'm tired and I'm probably just missing this. However, I can't seem to
see anything other than a general depiction on Drawing 32 (RV-6/6A) that
shows how the F683 and F683b go together. (I hope I got the numbers right,
I'm going from tired memory.) My F683b's don't look like that, but I can
attach them to the front of the spar as shown. How is the F683 supposed to
attach? In the Orndorff video, George just uses an angle to attach it to
the front of the seat/floor pan and I didn't spot the F683b's at all. Help,
please.
Patrick Kelley - RV-6A - Plumbing the fuel and brake systems
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