---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 05/07/07: 29 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:28 AM - Re: Looking for hangar designer (glen matejcek) 2. 05:44 AM - Re: Re: Looking for hangar designer (Mitchell Goodrich) 3. 07:06 AM - Re: Re: Looking for hangar designer (Paul Besing) 4. 07:23 AM - Re: Re: Looking for hangar designer (Chuck Jensen) 5. 07:56 AM - Re: Looking for hangar designer (Brian Meyette) 6. 08:27 AM - Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft. (J. R. Dial) 7. 08:58 AM - Re: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft. (Bruce Gray) 8. 09:05 AM - Re: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft. (Tim Bryan) 9. 09:09 AM - Re: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft. (Joseph Larson) 10. 09:22 AM - Re: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft. (linn Walters) 11. 09:32 AM - Re: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft. (Bruce Gray) 12. 09:33 AM - Re: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft. (linn Walters) 13. 10:04 AM - Re: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft. (Ralph E. Capen) 14. 10:27 AM - Re: Re: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft. () 15. 10:30 AM - Re: Re: Looking for hangar designer (Paul Besing) 16. 10:53 AM - Re: Re: Looking for hangar designer (Konrad L. Werner) 17. 12:00 PM - Re: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft. (linn Walters) 18. 12:43 PM - Re: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft. (Ralph E. Capen) 19. 12:54 PM - [ Dave Saylor ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares) 20. 03:36 PM - Garmin 496 - XM Antenna connector (Larry James) 21. 05:49 PM - Re: Garmin 496 - XM Antenna connector (Larry Bowen) 22. 05:54 PM - Re: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft. (David Maib) 23. 06:27 PM - Re: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft. (Sherman Butler) 24. 07:01 PM - Re: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft. (Kelly McMullen) 25. 07:08 PM - N64PR First Flight (Paul Rice) 26. 07:43 PM - Aero Classic Oil Cooler (JOHN HENLEY) 27. 07:59 PM - Re: Aero Classic Oil Cooler (Konrad L. Werner) 28. 08:06 PM - Re: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft. (Bruce Gray) 29. 09:36 PM - Fuel selector structure (Patrick Kelley) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:28:19 AM PST US From: "glen matejcek" Subject: RV-List: RE: Looking for hangar designer Hi Paul- >Hey all, I'm looking at building a hangar/condo/gameroom combination on an airstrip. Anyone know of a firm that specializes in this? > >Thanks in advance. > >Paul Besing Check out Living With Your PLane. They've got many designs on tap, as well as listings of folks that do the work. glen matejcek aerobubba@earthlink.net ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:44:09 AM PST US From: "Mitchell Goodrich" Subject: RE: RV-List: RE: Looking for hangar designer Paul, what part of the country? Mitchell Goodrich VEZE 60P -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of glen matejcek Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 7:25 AM Subject: RV-List: RE: Looking for hangar designer Hi Paul- >Hey all, I'm looking at building a hangar/condo/gameroom combination on an airstrip. Anyone know of a firm that specializes in this? > >Thanks in advance. > >Paul Besing Check out Living With Your PLane. They've got many designs on tap, as well as listings of folks that do the work. glen matejcek aerobubba@earthlink.net ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:06:39 AM PST US From: Paul Besing Subject: RE: RV-List: RE: Looking for hangar designer Tucson, Arizona area. I've got an architect now, just looking for ideas and contractors who build this kind of thing. Paul Besing Mitchell Goodrich wrote: Paul, what part of the country? Mitchell Goodrich VEZE 60P -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of glen matejcek Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 7:25 AM Subject: RV-List: RE: Looking for hangar designer Hi Paul- >Hey all, I'm looking at building a hangar/condo/gameroom combination on an airstrip. Anyone know of a firm that specializes in this? > >Thanks in advance. > >Paul Besing Check out Living With Your PLane. They've got many designs on tap, as well as listings of folks that do the work. glen matejcek aerobubba@earthlink.net --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:23:32 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: RE: Looking for hangar designer From: "Chuck Jensen" Paul Besing wrote: Tucson, Arizona area. I've got an architect now, just looking for ideas and contractors who build this kind of thing. Geez, Paul, if you have an architect and he doesn't have any ideas and doesn't know a contractor, than maybe what you really have is a just draftsman (a high dollar one at that). Chuck Do Not Archive Mitchell Goodrich wrote: Paul, what part of the country? Mitchell Goodrich VEZE 60P -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of glen matejcek Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 7:25 AM To: RV-List Digest Server Subject: RV-List: RE: Looking for hangar designer Hi Paul- >Hey all, I'm looking at building a hangar/condo/gameroom combination ________________________________ Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:56:21 AM PST US From: "Brian Meyette" Subject: RE: RV-List: Looking for hangar designer Morton Buildings specializes in buildings like that. Theyve built most of the private hangars around here, and everyone seems satisfied with them. Good price and lifetime warranty http://mortonbuildings.com/ brian http://brian76.mystarband.net/hangar.htm -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Paul Besing Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 4:57 AM Subject: RV-List: Looking for hangar designer do not archive Hey all, I'm looking at building a hangar/condo/gameroom combination on an airstrip. Anyone know of a firm that specializes in this? Thanks in advance. Paul Besing _____ Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. PM ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:27:19 AM PST US From: "J. R. Dial" Subject: RV-List: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft. I do not know if this is going on in other states but the state of Texas is sending out sales/use tax notices on Experimental homebuilt aircraft. Has anybody else run into this and how does the law apply on this. My plane has been registered for several years but they are evidently searching FAA data bases and trying to collect sales tax as if the plane was bought from another person or they want tax on the materials used in the construction of the plane. The guy I talked to indicated they want tax on the value of the plane which means you would be paying tax on your own labor? If anybody else has addressed this I would appreciate how you handled it and what the law requires. DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:58:16 AM PST US From: "Bruce Gray" Subject: RE: RV-List: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft. Seek out the advice of a tax attorney, most states have statute of limitation laws. Bruce www.glasair.org -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of J. R. Dial Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 11:27 AM Subject: RV-List: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft. I do not know if this is going on in other states but the state of Texas is sending out sales/use tax notices on Experimental homebuilt aircraft. Has anybody else run into this and how does the law apply on this. My plane has been registered for several years but they are evidently searching FAA data bases and trying to collect sales tax as if the plane was bought from another person or they want tax on the materials used in the construction of the plane. The guy I talked to indicated they want tax on the value of the plane which means you would be paying tax on your own labor? If anybody else has addressed this I would appreciate how you handled it and what the law requires. DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:05:19 AM PST US From: "Tim Bryan" Subject: RE: RV-List: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft. I wonder what will happen with one that was built and registered in Oregon and then recently changed it's registration to Texas. Tim _____ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of J. R. Dial Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 10:27 AM Subject: RV-List: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft. I do not know if this is going on in other states but the state of Texas is sending out sales/use tax notices on Experimental homebuilt aircraft. Has anybody else run into this and how does the law apply on this. My plane has been registered for several years but they are evidently searching FAA data bases and trying to collect sales tax as if the plane was bought from another person or they want tax on the materials used in the construction of the plane. The guy I talked to indicated they want tax on the value of the plane which means you would be paying tax on your own labor? If anybody else has addressed this I would appreciate how you handled it and what the law requires. DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:09:08 AM PST US From: Joseph Larson Subject: Re: RV-List: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft. As I understand it -- They want tax on the stuff you bought mail order. Minnesota does this. Theoretically anything I buy mail order I'm supposed to voluntarily pay use tax on it. No one does this, of course, but the state can go after you for the big stuff because it's worth their while. If you have receipts for any of the bits showing you paid sales taxes on any of it, you can use that to whittle down the amount of tax Texas will charge you. Maybe you bought some radios at Oshgosh, for instance. Remember that the cost of the airplane is: Cost of kit + cost of engine + cost of all those radios + cost of paint etc Market value of the airplane is rarely a huge amount more than the cost to build it. -Joe On May 7, 2007, at 10:26 AM, J. R. Dial wrote: > I do not know if this is going on in other > states but the state of Texas is sending out sales/use tax notices > on Experimental homebuilt aircraft. Has anybody else run into this > and how does the law apply on this. My plane has been registered > for several years but they are evidently searching FAA data bases > and trying to collect sales tax as if the plane was bought from > another person or they want tax on the materials used in the > construction of the plane. The guy I talked to indicated they want > tax on the value of the plane which means you would be paying tax > on your own labor? > > If anybody else has addressed this I would > appreciate how you handled it and what the law requires. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:22:51 AM PST US From: linn Walters Subject: Re: RV-List: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft. This seems to be normal in a number of states. I'm in FL and they do the same thing here. I do not plan on registering my plane as an RV-10 just for this reason. It'll be a Walters Express or some other non-descriptive title. I also plan on sending the State of FL some sum of dollars for sales tax before I register the plane with the FAA. Also be sure you know the difference between reserving an "N number" and "registration". Most states will cull the FAA database for recent resistrations, not a reservation. The other way states get info to charge sales tax is from the bill of lading used by shippers when they enter the state. The rotten B******S want to be able to force internet sales companies to send them the cost of an item when they sell it. FL law says if the company has an outlet in the state, then it must collect sales tax, even if it's purchased outside the state and shipped in. My big beef is that the states get multiple tax hits for used stuff, such as when you sell a car. They already collected the tax when the car was bought new. Multiple taxation at it's finest. Linn J. R. Dial wrote: > > > I do not know if this is going on in other > states but the state of Texas is sending out sales/use tax notices on > Experimental homebuilt aircraft. Has anybody else run into this and > how does the law apply on this. My plane has been registered for > several years but they are evidently searching FAA data bases and > trying to collect sales tax as if the plane was bought from another > person or they want tax on the materials used in the construction of > the plane. The guy I talked to indicated they want tax on the value of > the plane which means you would be paying tax on your own labor? > > If anybody else has addressed this I would > appreciate how you handled it and what the law requires. > > > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:32:09 AM PST US From: "Bruce Gray" Subject: RE: RV-List: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft. Tax collectors have been know to use heavy handed and unlawful tactics before. My policy, and I've fought a few battles, is not to provide ANY information to the enemy. Tell them you're not subject to the tax, put the burden of proving you are on them, appeal any ruling up the chain of the taxing agency all the way to the courts, if necessary. If we all did this, they would soon tire and find some other complacent citizen to plunder. Bruce www.glasair.org -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Bryan Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 12:05 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft. I wonder what will happen with one that was built and registered in Oregon and then recently changed it's registration to Texas. Tim _____ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of J. R. Dial Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 10:27 AM Subject: RV-List: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft. I do not know if this is going on in other states but the state of Texas is sending out sales/use tax notices on Experimental homebuilt aircraft. Has anybody else run into this and how does the law apply on this. My plane has been registered for several years but they are evidently searching FAA data bases and trying to collect sales tax as if the plane was bought from another person or they want tax on the materials used in the construction of the plane. The guy I talked to indicated they want tax on the value of the plane which means you would be paying tax on your own labor? If anybody else has addressed this I would appreciate how you handled it and what the law requires. DO NOT ARCHIVE http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:33:23 AM PST US From: linn Walters Subject: Re: RV-List: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft. Tim Bryan wrote: > I wonder what will happen with one that was built and registered in > Oregon and then recently changed it's registration to Texas. > I believe it'll show up as a 'new' registration, even if it's just an address change. You may be asked top prove that sales tax has been paid elsewhere, or that you owned the plane prior to the move. These guys aren't stupid. Lazy mostly, but not stupid. In reference to any airplane, they can take the model name and do an internet search and find some comparable values for asking price. This gives them some clue as to the value, but since asking price isn't sales price, they won't nail you for the full amount. When you go register a used car, they'll use a NADA guide to compare your sales price Vs. the book price to determine if you 'fudged' the sales price. Same for airplanes. If the search doesn't come up with a match, then they don't have any clue what the real cost of the airplane is. YMMV depending on what state you live in. I don't know what Delaware does with sales tax, but it may be $$$ ahead to register your airplane in a delaware corp. Maybe someone else can comment. Linn > > > Tim > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of J. R. Dial > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 10:27 AM > To: RV-List > Subject: RV-List: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft. > > > > > > I do not know if this is going on in other > states but the state of Texas is sending out sales/use tax notices on > Experimental homebuilt aircraft. Has anybody else run into this and > how does the law apply on this. My plane has been registered for > several years but they are evidently searching FAA data bases and > trying to collect sales tax as if the plane was bought from another > person or they want tax on the materials used in the construction of > the plane. The guy I talked to indicated they want tax on the value of > the plane which means you would be paying tax on your own labor? > > If anybody else has addressed this I would > appreciate how you handled it and what the law requires. > > > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:04:00 AM PST US From: "Ralph E. Capen" Subject: Re: RV-List: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft. Delaware does not have a Sales or Use tax Ralph Capen RV6AQB N822AR @ N06 (Laurel, DE) Finishing?! -----Original Message----- >From: linn Walters >Sent: May 7, 2007 12:33 PM >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: RV-List: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft. > >Tim Bryan wrote: > >> I wonder what will happen with one that was built and registered in >> Oregon and then recently changed it's registration to Texas. >> >I believe it'll show up as a 'new' registration, even if it's just an >address change. You may be asked top prove that sales tax has been paid >elsewhere, or that you owned the plane prior to the move. These guys >aren't stupid. Lazy mostly, but not stupid. > >In reference to any airplane, they can take the model name and do an >internet search and find some comparable values for asking price. This >gives them some clue as to the value, but since asking price isn't sales >price, they won't nail you for the full amount. When you go register a >used car, they'll use a NADA guide to compare your sales price Vs. the >book price to determine if you 'fudged' the sales price. Same for >airplanes. If the search doesn't come up with a match, then they don't >have any clue what the real cost of the airplane is. YMMV depending on >what state you live in. I don't know what Delaware does with sales tax, >but it may be $$$ ahead to register your airplane in a delaware corp. >Maybe someone else can comment. >Linn > >> >> >> Tim >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of J. R. Dial >> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 10:27 AM >> To: RV-List >> Subject: RV-List: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft. >> >> >> >> >> >> I do not know if this is going on in other >> states but the state of Texas is sending out sales/use tax notices on >> Experimental homebuilt aircraft. Has anybody else run into this and >> how does the law apply on this. My plane has been registered for >> several years but they are evidently searching FAA data bases and >> trying to collect sales tax as if the plane was bought from another >> person or they want tax on the materials used in the construction of >> the plane. The guy I talked to indicated they want tax on the value of >> the plane which means you would be paying tax on your own labor? >> >> If anybody else has addressed this I would >> appreciate how you handled it and what the law requires. >> >> >> >> DO NOT ARCHIVE >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:27:17 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Re: RV-List: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft. >I don't know what Delaware does with sales tax, > but it may be $$$ ahead to register your airplane in a >delaware corp. Don't do this in Ohio and I suspect other states are similiar. Ohio doesn't care where the plane is registered. If they prove it's in Ohio most of the time, as in just using Delaware as a tax shelter, it will get taxed anyways. If you are paying local hangar or tie down fees, there is no way out. > > From: linn Walters > Date: 2007/05/07 Mon AM 11:33:49 EST > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft. > > Tim Bryan wrote: > > > I wonder what will happen with one that was built and registered in > > Oregon and then recently changed it's registration to Texas. > > > I believe it'll show up as a 'new' registration, even if it's just an > address change. You may be asked top prove that sales tax has been paid > elsewhere, or that you owned the plane prior to the move. These guys > aren't stupid. Lazy mostly, but not stupid. > > In reference to any airplane, they can take the model name and do an > internet search and find some comparable values for asking price. This > gives them some clue as to the value, but since asking price isn't sales > price, they won't nail you for the full amount. When you go register a > used car, they'll use a NADA guide to compare your sales price Vs. the > book price to determine if you 'fudged' the sales price. Same for > airplanes. If the search doesn't come up with a match, then they don't > have any clue what the real cost of the airplane is. YMMV depending on > what state you live in. I don't know what Delaware does with sales tax, > but it may be $$$ ahead to register your airplane in a delaware corp. > Maybe someone else can comment. > Linn > > > > > > > Tim > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of J. R. Dial > > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 10:27 AM > > To: RV-List > > Subject: RV-List: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft. > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not know if this is going on in other > > states but the state of Texas is sending out sales/use tax notices on > > Experimental homebuilt aircraft. Has anybody else run into this and > > how does the law apply on this. My plane has been registered for > > several years but they are evidently searching FAA data bases and > > trying to collect sales tax as if the plane was bought from another > > person or they want tax on the materials used in the construction of > > the plane. The guy I talked to indicated they want tax on the value of > > the plane which means you would be paying tax on your own labor? > > > > If anybody else has addressed this I would > > appreciate how you handled it and what the law requires. > > > > > > > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:30:51 AM PST US From: Paul Besing Subject: RE: RV-List: RE: Looking for hangar designer I wanted to see some plans, some pictures, etc, so I can communicate what I like to my architect with pictures and other ideas. I'm soley using him for designing the building to my needs. But, I'd like a good starting point, and it doesn't seem that there are hangar/home type plans out there like there are home plans. I plan on finding a contractor myself, as my architect is on the other side of the country. Chuck Jensen wrote: Paul Besing wrote: Tucson, Arizona area. I've got an architect now, just looking for ideas and contractors who build this kind of thing. Geez, Paul, if you have an architect and he doesn't have any ideas and doesn't know a contractor, than maybe what you really have is a just draftsman (a high dollar one at that). Chuck Do Not Archive Mitchell Goodrich wrote: Paul, what part of the country? Mitchell Goodrich VEZE 60P -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of glen matejcek Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 7:25 AM Subject: RV-List: RE: Looking for hangar designer Hi Paul- >Hey all, I'm looking at building a hangar/condo/gameroom combination --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:53:06 AM PST US From: "Konrad L. Werner" Subject: Re: RV-List: RE: Looking for hangar designer Paul, I created my own plans for my two story "pilot lounge" layout, based on thoughts I accumulated over time on what I wanted for it to be used for. It will basically be like a wood framed apartment within the steel hangar structure. Not really hard to do, so I don't see why you would need an architect for it? Good Luck to you. Do not archive. ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Besing Subject: Looking for hangar designer I wanted to see some plans, some pictures, etc, so I can communicate what I like to my architect with pictures and other ideas. I'm soley using him for designing the building to my needs. But, I'd like a good starting point, and it doesn't seem that there are hangar/home type plans out there like there are home plans. I plan on finding a contractor myself, as my architect is on the other side of the country. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:00:49 PM PST US From: linn Walters Subject: Re: RV-List: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft. Thanks Ralph! A Delaware CO can be had for around $400. Annual fee is for the registry company is $95.00 and the Delaware tax on a Limited Liability Corp is a flat $200. For the $95.00 they'll forward all your government correspondence to you. Specifically, stuff from the FAA. In FL we have a 6% sales tax (more in some counties) so for a $100,000 airplane that's $6000. It'll take you almost 20 years to break even with the Delaware Corp. Food for thought. Linn do not archive Ralph E. Capen wrote: > >Delaware does not have a Sales or Use tax > >Ralph Capen > >RV6AQB N822AR @ N06 (Laurel, DE) Finishing?! > > >-----Original Message----- > > >>From: linn Walters >>Sent: May 7, 2007 12:33 PM >>To: rv-list@matronics.com >>Subject: Re: RV-List: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft. >> >>Tim Bryan wrote: >> >> >> >>>I wonder what will happen with one that was built and registered in >>>Oregon and then recently changed it's registration to Texas. >>> >>> >>> >>I believe it'll show up as a 'new' registration, even if it's just an >>address change. You may be asked top prove that sales tax has been paid >>elsewhere, or that you owned the plane prior to the move. These guys >>aren't stupid. Lazy mostly, but not stupid. >> >>In reference to any airplane, they can take the model name and do an >>internet search and find some comparable values for asking price. This >>gives them some clue as to the value, but since asking price isn't sales >>price, they won't nail you for the full amount. When you go register a >>used car, they'll use a NADA guide to compare your sales price Vs. the >>book price to determine if you 'fudged' the sales price. Same for >>airplanes. If the search doesn't come up with a match, then they don't >>have any clue what the real cost of the airplane is. YMMV depending on >>what state you live in. I don't know what Delaware does with sales tax, >>but it may be $$$ ahead to register your airplane in a delaware corp. >>Maybe someone else can comment. >>Linn >> >> >> >>> >>> >>>Tim >>> >>> >>> >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com >>>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of J. R. Dial >>>Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 10:27 AM >>>To: RV-List >>>Subject: RV-List: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I do not know if this is going on in other >>>states but the state of Texas is sending out sales/use tax notices on >>>Experimental homebuilt aircraft. Has anybody else run into this and >>>how does the law apply on this. My plane has been registered for >>>several years but they are evidently searching FAA data bases and >>>trying to collect sales tax as if the plane was bought from another >>>person or they want tax on the materials used in the construction of >>>the plane. The guy I talked to indicated they want tax on the value of >>>the plane which means you would be paying tax on your own labor? >>> >>> If anybody else has addressed this I would >>>appreciate how you handled it and what the law requires. >>> >>> >>> >>> DO NOT ARCHIVE >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:43:44 PM PST US From: "Ralph E. Capen" Subject: Re: RV-List: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft. Good news for me - I keep my plane there anyway..... -----Original Message----- >From: linn Walters >Sent: May 7, 2007 3:00 PM >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: RV-List: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft. > >Thanks Ralph! > A Delaware CO can be had for around $400. >Annual fee is for the registry company is $95.00 and the Delaware tax on >a Limited Liability Corp is a flat $200. For the $95.00 they'll forward >all your government correspondence to you. Specifically, stuff from the >FAA. >In FL we have a 6% sales tax (more in some counties) so for a $100,000 >airplane that's $6000. It'll take you almost 20 years to break even >with the Delaware Corp. >Food for thought. >Linn >do not archive > >Ralph E. Capen wrote: > >> >>Delaware does not have a Sales or Use tax >> >>Ralph Capen >> >>RV6AQB N822AR @ N06 (Laurel, DE) Finishing?! >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >> >> >>>From: linn Walters >>>Sent: May 7, 2007 12:33 PM >>>To: rv-list@matronics.com >>>Subject: Re: RV-List: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft. >>> >>>Tim Bryan wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>I wonder what will happen with one that was built and registered in >>>>Oregon and then recently changed it's registration to Texas. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>I believe it'll show up as a 'new' registration, even if it's just an >>>address change. You may be asked top prove that sales tax has been paid >>>elsewhere, or that you owned the plane prior to the move. These guys >>>aren't stupid. Lazy mostly, but not stupid. >>> >>>In reference to any airplane, they can take the model name and do an >>>internet search and find some comparable values for asking price. This >>>gives them some clue as to the value, but since asking price isn't sales >>>price, they won't nail you for the full amount. When you go register a >>>used car, they'll use a NADA guide to compare your sales price Vs. the >>>book price to determine if you 'fudged' the sales price. Same for >>>airplanes. If the search doesn't come up with a match, then they don't >>>have any clue what the real cost of the airplane is. YMMV depending on >>>what state you live in. I don't know what Delaware does with sales tax, >>>but it may be $$$ ahead to register your airplane in a delaware corp. >>>Maybe someone else can comment. >>>Linn >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Tim >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com >>>>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of J. R. Dial >>>>Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 10:27 AM >>>>To: RV-List >>>>Subject: RV-List: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I do not know if this is going on in other >>>>states but the state of Texas is sending out sales/use tax notices on >>>>Experimental homebuilt aircraft. Has anybody else run into this and >>>>how does the law apply on this. My plane has been registered for >>>>several years but they are evidently searching FAA data bases and >>>>trying to collect sales tax as if the plane was bought from another >>>>person or they want tax on the materials used in the construction of >>>>the plane. The guy I talked to indicated they want tax on the value of >>>>the plane which means you would be paying tax on your own labor? >>>> >>>> If anybody else has addressed this I would >>>>appreciate how you handled it and what the law requires. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> DO NOT ARCHIVE >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 12:54:05 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: [ Dave Saylor ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! From: Email List Photo Shares A new Email List Photo Share is available: Poster: Dave Saylor Lists: RV-List,RV10-List Subject: RV-10 Big Oil Door http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/Dave@aircraftersllc.com.05.07.2007/index.html ---------------------------------------------------------- o Main Photo Share Index http://www.matronics.com/photoshare o Submitting a Photo Share If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the following information along with your email message and files: 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: 2) Your Full Name: 3) Your Email Address: 4) One line Subject description: 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: Email the information above and your files and photos to: pictures@matronics.com ---------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:36:30 PM PST US From: "Larry James" Subject: RV-List: Garmin 496 - XM Antenna connector I am installing a Garmin 496 in my Super Decathlon and the 90 degree connector for the XM Antenna has interference issues. The connector looks like a standard Mini-USB-B 5-Pin ; so I cut the cable expecting to splice on a cut cable from a standard Mini-USB-B cable. The XM Antenna cable is 5-conductor. I'm learning by trial and error that every Mini-USB-B cable I buy and cut is 4-conductor. Does anyone have any good answers ?? All I'm needing is a straight connector on my XM Antenna. Larry E. James Bellevue, WA Super Decathlon Rocket (under construction) ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 05:49:18 PM PST US From: "Larry Bowen" Subject: Re: RV-List: Garmin 496 - XM Antenna connector Mine is close too. I'd call Garmin and ask. -- Larry Bowen Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com On 5/7/07, Larry James wrote: > > I am installing a Garmin 496 in my Super Decathlon and the 90 degree > connector for the XM Antenna has interference issues. The connector looks > like a standard Mini-USB-B 5-Pin ; so I cut the cable expecting to splice on > a cut cable from a standard Mini-USB-B cable. > > > The XM Antenna cable is 5-conductor. I'm learning by trial and error that > every Mini-USB-B cable I buy and cut is 4-conductor. Does anyone have any > good answers ?? All I'm needing is a straight connector on my XM Antenna. > > > Larry E. James > > Bellevue, WA > > Super Decathlon > > Rocket (under construction) > > > * > > > * > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 05:54:24 PM PST US From: David Maib Subject: Re: RV-List: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft. Same in Minnesota. On May 7, 2007, at 12:25 PM, rvmail@thelefflers.com wrote: > I don't know what Delaware does with sales tax, > but it may be $$$ ahead to register your airplane in a >delaware corp. Don't do this in Ohio and I suspect other states are similiar. Ohio doesn't care where the plane is registered. If they prove it's in Ohio most of the time, as in just using Delaware as a tax shelter, it will get taxed anyways. If you are paying local hangar or tie down fees, there is no way out. > > From: linn Walters > Date: 2007/05/07 Mon AM 11:33:49 EST > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft. > > Tim Bryan wrote: > >> I wonder what will happen with one that was built and registered in >> Oregon and then recently changed it's registration to Texas. >> > I believe it'll show up as a 'new' registration, even if it's just an > address change. You may be asked top prove that sales tax has been > paid > elsewhere, or that you owned the plane prior to the move. These guys > aren't stupid. Lazy mostly, but not stupid. > > In reference to any airplane, they can take the model name and do an > internet search and find some comparable values for asking price. > This > gives them some clue as to the value, but since asking price isn't > sales > price, they won't nail you for the full amount. When you go > register a > used car, they'll use a NADA guide to compare your sales price Vs. the > book price to determine if you 'fudged' the sales price. Same for > airplanes. If the search doesn't come up with a match, then they > don't > have any clue what the real cost of the airplane is. YMMV > depending on > what state you live in. I don't know what Delaware does with sales > tax, > but it may be $$$ ahead to register your airplane in a delaware corp. > Maybe someone else can comment. > Linn > >> >> >> Tim >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> --- >> >> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of J. R. Dial >> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 10:27 AM >> To: RV-List >> Subject: RV-List: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft. >> >> >> >> >> >> I do not know if this is going on in other >> states but the state of Texas is sending out sales/use tax notices on >> Experimental homebuilt aircraft. Has anybody else run into this and >> how does the law apply on this. My plane has been registered for >> several years but they are evidently searching FAA data bases and >> trying to collect sales tax as if the plane was bought from another >> person or they want tax on the materials used in the construction of >> the plane. The guy I talked to indicated they want tax on the >> value of >> the plane which means you would be paying tax on your own labor? >> >> If anybody else has addressed this I would >> appreciate how you handled it and what the law requires. >> >> >> >> DO NOT ARCHIVE >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 06:27:32 PM PST US From: Sherman Butler Subject: Re: RV-List: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft. When I lived in Texas I purchased a Grumman, and found the tax law convoluted. I believe there is a TX web site and a possible reference site on AOPA. In the end, I was not required to pay any tax. In ID and OK (I consider home) one submits the price of parts and sales tax previously paid. In ID one can pay tax each year on the parts purchased. "J. R. Dial" wrote: st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } I do not know if this is going on in other states but the state of Texas is sending out sales/use tax notices on Experimental homebuilt aircraft. Has anybody else run into this and how does the law apply on this. My plane has been registered for several years but they are evidently searching FAA data bases and trying to collect sales tax as if the plane was bought from another person or they want tax on the materials used in the construction of the plane. The guy I talked to indicated they want tax on the value of the plane which means you would be paying tax on your own labor? If anybody else has addressed this I would appreciate how you handled it and what the law requires. DO NOT ARCHIVE Sherman Butler RV-7a Wings Idaho Falls --------------------------------- We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 07:01:48 PM PST US From: Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: RV-List: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft. Unless the tax was in place at the time the sale(s) took place, it would be an unconstitutional retroactive tax. Most state and federal taxes must be collected within 3 years unless fraud was involved. Bruce Gray wrote: > Seek out the advice of a tax attorney, most states have statute of > limitation laws. > > > > Bruce > www.glasair.org > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *J. R. Dial > *Sent:* Monday, May 07, 2007 11:27 AM > *To:* RV-List > *Subject:* RV-List: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft. > > > > I do not know if this is going on in other > states but the state of Texas is sending out sales/use tax notices > on Experimental homebuilt aircraft. Has anybody else run into this > and how does the law apply on this. My plane has been registered > for several years but they are evidently searching FAA data bases > and trying to collect sales tax as if the plane was bought from > another person or they want tax on the materials used in the > construction of the plane. The guy I talked to indicated they want > tax on the value of the plane which means you would be paying tax > on your own labor? > > If anybody else has addressed this I would > appreciate how you handled it and what the law requires. > > > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > * > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 07:08:07 PM PST US From: "Paul Rice" Subject: RV-List: N64PR First Flight Thanks to all who have provided me with info on this site. Today I flew my RV8 with TMX-IO360 and Hartzell Constant speed prop for the first time. Flew straight and level hands off, no adjustments needed. The acceleration is amazing. Now on to the small finish items. Paul Rice ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 07:43:10 PM PST US From: "JOHN HENLEY" Subject: RV-List: Aero Classic Oil Cooler My oil cooler failed. Anyone have any idea who has the best price these days on Aero Classic coolers? John Henley, Rv7, 475 hrs _________________________________________________________________ Exercise your brain! Try Flexicon. http://games.msn.com/en/flexicon/default.htm?icid=flexicon_hmemailtaglineapril07 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 07:59:50 PM PST US From: "Konrad L. Werner" Subject: Re: RV-List: Aero Classic Oil Cooler John, What size do you need? And how did yours fail? Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: JOHN HENLEY To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 8:42 PM Subject: RV-List: Aero Classic Oil Cooler My oil cooler failed. Anyone have any idea who has the best price these days on Aero Classic coolers? John Henley, Rv7, 475 hrs _________________________________________________________________ Exercise your brain! Try Flexicon. http://games.msn.com/en/flexicon/default.htm?icid=flexicon_hmemailtagli neapril07 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 08:06:10 PM PST US From: "Bruce Gray" Subject: RE: RV-List: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft. And that would be 3 years from the date of purchase of the kit, not the date of registration. Bruce www.glasair.org -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 9:59 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft. Unless the tax was in place at the time the sale(s) took place, it would be an unconstitutional retroactive tax. Most state and federal taxes must be collected within 3 years unless fraud was involved. Bruce Gray wrote: > Seek out the advice of a tax attorney, most states have statute of > limitation laws. > > > > Bruce > www.glasair.org > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *J. R. Dial > *Sent:* Monday, May 07, 2007 11:27 AM > *To:* RV-List > *Subject:* RV-List: Texas Sales Tax Experimental Acft. > > > > I do not know if this is going on in other > states but the state of Texas is sending out sales/use tax notices > on Experimental homebuilt aircraft. Has anybody else run into this > and how does the law apply on this. My plane has been registered > for several years but they are evidently searching FAA data bases > and trying to collect sales tax as if the plane was bought from > another person or they want tax on the materials used in the > construction of the plane. The guy I talked to indicated they want > tax on the value of the plane which means you would be paying tax > on your own labor? > > If anybody else has addressed this I would > appreciate how you handled it and what the law requires. > > > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/N avigator?RV-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > * > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 09:36:32 PM PST US From: "Patrick Kelley" Subject: RV-List: Fuel selector structure Ok, I'm tired and I'm probably just missing this. However, I can't seem to see anything other than a general depiction on Drawing 32 (RV-6/6A) that shows how the F683 and F683b go together. (I hope I got the numbers right, I'm going from tired memory.) My F683b's don't look like that, but I can attach them to the front of the spar as shown. How is the F683 supposed to attach? In the Orndorff video, George just uses an angle to attach it to the front of the seat/floor pan and I didn't spot the F683b's at all. Help, please. 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