---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 05/09/07: 24 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:09 AM - Re: Unfourtunately it's time to sell my RV6 (jbker@juno.com) 2. 06:25 AM - Re: Compressor & Painting Questions (Brian Meyette) 3. 07:03 AM - Re: Compressor & Painting Questions (RV Builder (Michael Sausen)) 4. 07:16 AM - Re: N64PR First Flight (Charles Rowbotham) 5. 07:33 AM - Re: Compressor & Painting Questions (Tim Bryan) 6. 08:11 AM - Zanon XRX antenna position (PeterHunt1@aol.com) 7. 08:14 AM - Re: Tru Trak EFIS (Ian Jordan) 8. 08:59 AM - Re: Re: Tru Trak EFIS (SteinAir, Inc.) 9. 09:02 AM - Re: Zanon XRX antenna position (rtitsworth) 10. 09:45 AM - Texas sales tax (aircraft) (Mark Frederick) 11. 09:59 AM - Re: Unfourtunately it's time to sell my RV6 (George P. Tyler) 12. 10:01 AM - Re: Re: Tru Trak EFIS (Ed Anderson) 13. 10:01 AM - Re: Re: Tru Trak EFIS (Ed Anderson) 14. 10:31 AM - Re: Re:N number requirements (Mike Robertson) 15. 10:48 AM - Re: Compressor & Painting Questions (John W. Cox) 16. 11:05 AM - Re: Re:N number requirements (Dale Ensing) 17. 12:01 PM - Re: Compressor & Painting Questions (Tim Bryan) 18. 12:10 PM - Re: Compressor & Painting Questions (Konrad L. Werner) 19. 12:47 PM - Re: Compressor & Painting Questions () 20. 12:49 PM - Re: Re: Tru Trak EFIS (rtitsworth) 21. 12:54 PM - Re: Re:N number requirements (Mike Robertson) 22. 02:24 PM - Re: Re:N number requirements (Sherman Butler) 23. 02:54 PM - Re: Re:N number requirements (n801bh@netzero.com) 24. 05:51 PM - Re: Re:N number requirements (N67BT@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:09:31 AM PST US From: "jbker@juno.com" Subject: Re: RV-List: Unfourtunately it's time to sell my RV6 Hi Gary, Sorry to hear that you are having health issues. Hope your's are similar to mine, not keeping me from doing the things I like to do, just can't get by an issue with cardiogists for medical certificate. I'm probably s elling my 9A this year and doing a 12 to keep from the hassle of 3rd cla ss. Will never forget your getting under Rutan's skin by doing the Q-2 in Ca nada! Bernie Kerr

Hi Gary,

Sorry to hear that you are having health issues. Hope your's are similar to mine, not keeping me from doing the things I like to do, jus t can't get by an issue with cardiogists for medical certificate. I'm pr obably selling my 9A this year and doing a 12 to keep from the hassle of 3rd class.

Will never forget your getting under Rutan's skin by doing the Q-2 in Canada!
Bernie Kerr
________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:25:36 AM PST US From: "Brian Meyette" Subject: RE: RV-List: Compressor & Painting Questions Its highly recommended to extend an air compressors range via hose, rather than wire. I believe the owners manual for most any compressor will tell you this. The most common hose size is 3/8, with 1/4 being the cheap stuff. If youre concerned about air flow, use 1/2 hose. You could go larger, but I doubt youd need it. 1/2 hose and fittings are fairly common. It sounds to me like either compressor you mentioned will be more than enough. I cant speak to the servicing of either compressor. brian -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Doug Medema Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 7:55 PM Subject: RV-List: Compressor & Painting Questions I'm equipping my paint booth and have come up with some questions. I'm planning on buying the DeVilbiss FinishLine 3 HVLP spray gun. This gun takes more air than my little 2hp compressor can deliver so I'm going to buy a bigger one. I'm choosing between the Kobalt 60 gallon single stage from Lowes or the Husky Pro 60 gallon single stage from Home Depot. Both have 15 amp 230 volt motors. The Kobalt has better specs as far as SCFM is concerned. The pump has a cast iron case and cylinder (though the cylinder head appears to be aluminum). It is a single cylinder pump. The Husky Pro has a two cylinder compressor, but the cylinders are aluminum with supposedly an iron or steel sleeve. The Kobalt gives a noise rating of 76dBa which seems fairly quiet for a compressor of this size. Both cost $400. I would probably just choose the Kobalt, but there are some horror stories on the internet about problems with Kobalt compressors and getting them serviced. 1) Anybody out there have experience with either of these compressors? Things you like? Things you dislike? 2) My painting area is quite a ways away from where I have 230Volt power. I was originally planning to buy a 100 foot 10 gauge extension cord, cut off the ends, and wire it to the compressor and a plug that fits my 230 outlets. Those cords are almost $100 right now! I already have 100 feet of 3/8" I.D. air hose. Will I have any problems running an HVLP gun off 100 feet of air hose? 3) I could bring my old compressor into my paint booth and use it's 20 gallon tank as a more local air storage tank. Would this help any problems associated with using 100 feet of air hose? Thanks for your help. I'm getting close to starting the painting process! Doug Medema RV-6A N276DM 2:23 PM PM ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:03:23 AM PST US From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" Subject: RE: RV-List: Compressor & Painting Questions Two stage compressors are always better if you can do it but for most of us a single stage will be more than enough. Big thing is to get away from any oil less compressors as they are all garbage. CFM is the most importan t thing, especially if you are using an HVLP gun. More at higher pressure is always better. Look at the amperage of the motor (inrush and running) a nd get the appropriate sized wire for it rather than spending a bunch on a extension cord. 15amp = 14GA, 20amp=12GA, 30 amp=10GA, etc. Even at 100 feet 12GA is more than enough. I went with an IR compressor and it's served me very well so far. http://www.tractorsupply.com/detail.asp?pcID=1&paID=1010&sonID=469&pa ge=1&productID=28825 Michael Sausen -10 #352 Limbo From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matro nics.com] On Behalf Of linn Walters Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 10:42 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Compressor & Painting Questions Doug Medema wrote: I'm equipping my paint booth and have come up with some questions. I'm planning on buying the DeVilbiss FinishLine 3 HVLP spray gun. This gun takes more air than my little 2hp compressor can deliver so I'm going to buy a bigger one. I'm choosing between the Kobalt 60 gallon single stage from Lowes or the Husky Pro 60 gallon single stage from Home Depot. I'd stay away from single cykinder single stage compressors. they'll run a lot longer with the attendant noise .... whatever it is! Both have 15 amp 230 volt motors. The Kobalt has better specs as far as SCFM is concerned. The pump has a cast iron case and cylinder (though the cylinder head appears to be aluminum). It is a single cylinder pump. The Husky Pro has a two cylinder compressor, but the cylinders are aluminum with supposedly an iron or steel sleeve. The Kobalt gives a noise rating of 76dBa which seems fairly quiet for a compressor of this size. Both cost $400. I would probably just choose the Kobalt, but there are some horror stories on the internet about problems with Kobalt compressors and getting them serviced. 1) Anybody out there have experience with either of these compressors? Things you like? Things you dislike? No experience with either. I have a two stage 60 gal compressor from Home depot ..... around $350 a few years back. It's worked well with everything I've thrown at it. 2) My painting area is quite a ways away from where I have 230Volt power. I was originally planning to buy a 100 foot 10 gauge extension cord, cu t off the ends, and wire it to the compressor and a plug that fits my 230 outlets. Those cords are almost $100 right now! I already have 100 fe et of 3/8" I.D. air hose. Will I have any problems running an HVLP gun off 100 feet of air hose? Buy a 100' box of #10 romex. Hell of a lot cheaper than the extension cord and will work fine. 3) I could bring my old compressor into my paint booth and use it's 20 gallon tank as a more local air storage tank. Would this help any problems associated with using 100 feet of air hose? Actually, it will. The hose will stretch in size at full pressure, and the pressure will drop significantly in the first few seconds of paint sprayin g. The built-in regulator will help too. Thanks for your help. I'm getting close to starting the painting process! Well it's just my opinion, but I think you'll be far ahead of the game with the romex and the two stage compressor near your painting project. Linn Doug Medema RV-6A N276DM 2:23 PM ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:16:09 AM PST US From: "Charles Rowbotham" Subject: RE: RV-List: N64PR First Flight Paul, CONGRATULATIONS and WELL DONE !!! Chuck & Dave Rowbotham RV-8A >From: "Paul Rice" >Subject: RV-List: N64PR First Flight >Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 22:03:44 -0400 > >Thanks to all who have provided me with info on this site. Today I flew my >RV8 with TMX-IO360 and Hartzell Constant speed prop for the first time. >Flew straight and level hands off, no adjustments needed. The acceleration >is amazing. Now on to the small finish items. > >Paul Rice _________________________________________________________________ See what youre getting intobefore you go there http://newlivehotmail.com/?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_viral_preview_0507 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:33:27 AM PST US From: "Tim Bryan" Subject: RE: RV-List: Compressor & Painting Questions As far as using a 100foot hose, just put your regulator at the painting end of the hose and you would be fine. Tim _____ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of linn Walters Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 9:42 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Compressor & Painting Questions Doug Medema wrote: I'm equipping my paint booth and have come up with some questions. I'm planning on buying the DeVilbiss FinishLine 3 HVLP spray gun. This gun takes more air than my little 2hp compressor can deliver so I'm going to buy a bigger one. I'm choosing between the Kobalt 60 gallon single stage from Lowes or the Husky Pro 60 gallon single stage from Home Depot. I'd stay away from single cykinder single stage compressors. they'll run a lot longer with the attendant noise .... whatever it is! Both have 15 amp 230 volt motors. The Kobalt has better specs as far as SCFM is concerned. The pump has a cast iron case and cylinder (though the cylinder head appears to be aluminum). It is a single cylinder pump. The Husky Pro has a two cylinder compressor, but the cylinders are aluminum with supposedly an iron or steel sleeve. The Kobalt gives a noise rating of 76dBa which seems fairly quiet for a compressor of this size. Both cost $400. I would probably just choose the Kobalt, but there are some horror stories on the internet about problems with Kobalt compressors and getting them serviced. 1) Anybody out there have experience with either of these compressors? Things you like? Things you dislike? No experience with either. I have a two stage 60 gal compressor from Home depot ..... around $350 a few years back. It's worked well with everything I've thrown at it. 2) My painting area is quite a ways away from where I have 230Volt power. I was originally planning to buy a 100 foot 10 gauge extension cord, cut off the ends, and wire it to the compressor and a plug that fits my 230 outlets. Those cords are almost $100 right now! I already have 100 feet of 3/8" I.D. air hose. Will I have any problems running an HVLP gun off 100 feet of air hose? Buy a 100' box of #10 romex. Hell of a lot cheaper than the extension cord and will work fine. 3) I could bring my old compressor into my paint booth and use it's 20 gallon tank as a more local air storage tank. Would this help any problems associated with using 100 feet of air hose? Actually, it will. The hose will stretch in size at full pressure, and the pressure will drop significantly in the first few seconds of paint spraying. The built-in regulator will help too. Thanks for your help. I'm getting close to starting the painting process! Well it's just my opinion, but I think you'll be far ahead of the game with the romex and the two stage compressor near your painting project. Linn do not archive Doug Medema RV-6A N276DM 2:23 PM ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:11:43 AM PST US From: PeterHunt1@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Zanon XRX antenna position I just purchased the Zaon XRX Portable Collision Avoidance System (PCAS) to add traffic awareness to my cockpit. With it connected to my Garmin 396 I want to move it (with its built in antenna) away from the recommended glareshield mounting. For those of you with experience my question is will the antenna work with it located other places such as below the glare shield or behind my tip-up roll bar or on my lap (as long as it is 6" from any obstacle)? It is a hard thing to test because it does not activate until you have climbed 200 feet and there must be another airplane nearby. I tried Zaon. They just moved their operation and, consequently, their technical service is down for a while. Pete in Clearwater RV-6, Sun 'n Fun 2006 Reserve Grand Champion Kit, 2007 Outstanding Aircraft Homebuilt. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:14:29 AM PST US From: "Ian Jordan" Subject: RV-List: RE: Tru Trak EFIS > Subject: RV-List: Tru Trak EFIS > From: "B25Flyer" > > > "The EFIS is smooth as silk. I love my Dynon, but > it jumps around in turbulence. The Tru Trak is rock solid smooth." That's because it's not an artificial horizon. It's a VSI and turn rate indicator. It will show you pitched down as you're stalling with your nose way above the horizon. It will look more stable because it's much less responsive and indicates something totally different than every other EFIS on the planet. The heading on it is GPS track so it only updates accurately once per second. > "The entire unit is very intuitive and with little or no briefing someone > should > be able to jump in it and fly away." > > Actually, it's not. It looks like it's an artificial horizon, but it's something totally different. Someone just jumping into the plane will assume it's a horizon and can get into some serious situations with it. It's going to be the one instrument in a plane that will require serious training so that people don't use it like they think they should based on all of their years of experiences with artificial horizons. The heading tape isn't magnetic so you can't fly ATC vectors with it, you can't use it for unusual attitude recovery like you would an AH, and it will show you banking as you slip. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:59:12 AM PST US From: "SteinAir, Inc." Subject: RE: RV-List: RE: Tru Trak EFIS I don't have time to fully respond to this, but the information Ian provided below is just WRONG, WRONG, WRONG. I'll put more when I have a chance later. Cheers, Stein. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ian Jordan Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 10:14 AM To: rv-list@matronics.com Subject: RV-List: RE: Tru Trak EFIS Subject: RV-List: Tru Trak EFIS From: "B25Flyer" < dougr@petroblend.com> "The EFIS is smooth as silk. I love my Dynon, but it jumps around in turbulence. The Tru Trak is rock solid smooth." That's because it's not an artificial horizon. It's a VSI and turn rate indicator. It will show you pitched down as you're stalling with your nose way above the horizon. It will look more stable because it's much less responsive and indicates something totally different than every other EFIS on the planet. The heading on it is GPS track so it only updates accurately once per second. "The entire unit is very intuitive and with little or no briefing someone should be able to jump in it and fly away." Actually, it's not. It looks like it's an artificial horizon, but it's something totally different. Someone just jumping into the plane will assume it's a horizon and can get into some serious situations with it. It's going to be the one instrument in a plane that will require serious training so that people don't use it like they think they should based on all of their years of experiences with artificial horizons. The heading tape isn't magnetic so you can't fly ATC vectors with it, you can't use it for unusual attitude recovery like you would an AH, and it will show you banking as you slip. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:02:19 AM PST US From: "rtitsworth" Subject: RE: RV-List: Zanon XRX antenna position I have a similar setup. My understanding is that the XRX needs a clear (unobstructed) view fwd (i.e. not "behind" the engine). I have not done any obstructed testing. Also FYI, I was having a hard time getting the garmin connection cable from Zaon. So I ordered a bare pigtail from Garmin https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?pID=1083 for $27 and connected Garmin yellow to XRX db9 #2 and Garmin black to XRX db9 #5, Garmin must be updated to latest software, it works great! _____ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of PeterHunt1@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 11:05 AM rv8-list@matronics.com; aeroelectric-list@matronics.com Subject: RV-List: Zanon XRX antenna position I just purchased the Zaon XRX Portable Collision Avoidance System (PCAS) to add traffic awareness to my cockpit. With it connected to my Garmin 396 I want to move it (with its built in antenna) away from the recommended glareshield mounting. For those of you with experience my question is will the antenna work with it located other places such as below the glare shield or behind my tip-up roll bar or on my lap (as long as it is 6" from any obstacle)? It is a hard thing to test because it does not activate until you have climbed 200 feet and there must be another airplane nearby. I tried Zaon. They just moved their operation and, consequently, their technical service is down for a while. Pete in Clearwater RV-6, Sun 'n Fun 2006 Reserve Grand Champion Kit, 2007 Outstanding Aircraft Homebuilt. _____ See what's free at AOL.com . ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:45:57 AM PST US From: "Mark Frederick" Subject: RV-List: Texas sales tax (aircraft) Hi All: There is no sales tax in Texas on AIRPLANES. The the State Comptroller, an airplane has an N number, wings, and engine...you know, all that airplane stuff. That being said, there is tax on parts (to build or repair an airplane), same as there is on bubble gum and sodas, brake pads and tires. I have no idea how all this would work on a salvaged aircraft -- seems to me it is parts..non-flyable...but it is categorized as an aircraft. My advice is to minimize the taxable amount -- report the price of the kit. The case has been proven -- a fight would not be a good thing to start. Sorry! do not archive -- Cheers! Mark Frederick Team Rocket LP www.teamrocketaircraft.com Tech Support 512.352.6979 0800-1000;1500-1630 CST M-F ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:59:02 AM PST US From: "George P. Tyler" Subject: Re: RV-List: Unfourtunately it's time to sell my RV6 That sounds like a great plane, do you have any pictures to post so we can get some idea how all these goodies go together? ----- Original Message ----- From: Garry LeGare To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 10:40 PM Subject: RV-List: Unfourtunately it's time to sell my RV6 Health issues have restricted use of my "6" and finally have made it almost impossible to continue flying. It was completed in 2001 has 260 hr. TT with 190 SMOH on the 0360A3M with Electroair Ignition,new slick mag and a just overhauled Whirlwind 151 3 blade prop, Wolf air/oil separator Chrome Valve covers and intake tubes, Just annualed, and more CUSTOM FEATURES includes:--Center fuel tank(12.5 gal). All carbon fiber tilt canopy structure with special locking access door. Easy removable extended engine air snorkel. Carbon fiber extended vertical fin. Bonded on composite gear leg and intersection Fairing. Special ventilation and heater system with dual muffs, boots on all push rods including flaps and a custom air extractor, means you will be warm or cool, you decide. 3 density Temperfoam seats with lambs wool covering, Single Link tailwheel steering,Carbon fiber elevator intersection fairing, Vortex Generators, Baggage cover, heavy duty canopy cover, Special floor and cockpit insulation, and more. ELECTRICAL:- -B&C 40 amp alt and adjustable reg, 2 new B&C 12 Amp/Hr 400 CCA sealed bats with either or both switching. Over voltage protection, Port on panel for alternator diagnostics, battery charging port. Electric flaps, electric elevator and aileron trim, stabs, dual landing lights with wig wag setting and more. PANEL:--MicroAir transponder and dual MicroAir radios, intercom with built in noise canceling headsets(2) Rocky Mnt Uencoder & Umonitor for engine, ECI CHT/EGT analiser, ECI dual Fuel gauge, Bendix King color GPS, True Track auto pilot, AOA with voice warning, Dynon D10A Efis just factory upgraded, left side throttle/mixtue/prop, controls, G meter, Parking brake, Electonic ignition advance gauge, Sony FM/CD player, Glove box, Wood grain accents, and more It has always been hangered in dry climate area(last four years Paso Robles). The only thing she needs is a paint job,It has been primered since I first started flying. Yes, Laird you are right you should always paint BEFORE flying. This is my baby and I'm going to miss her, hoping to find her a good home. I'm posting it with you guys and the Matronics List before I go to Trade A Plane. So the big question is how much? Any help would be appreciated. Garry "Casper" LeGare ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:01:42 AM PST US From: "Ed Anderson" Subject: Re: RV-List: RE: Tru Trak EFIS Be interested in your rebuttal, Stein, because from what is posted on the TruTrak Web page (below) it sure appears that pitch attitude is primarily based on vertical speed (gyro enhanced). Ed ----- Original MesADI Bank angle is instantaneous gyro data. Pitch is gyro enhanced vertical speed. Direction is an electronic DG showing track. Extreme bank angle is enunciated by flashing red arrows which indicate required stick motion to correct unusual attitude. Low airspeed warning is enunciated by flashing A-S on the display. Solid state rate gyros for pitch and roll. sage ----- From: SteinAir, Inc. To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 11:57 AM Subject: RE: RV-List: RE: Tru Trak EFIS I don't have time to fully respond to this, but the information Ian provided below is just WRONG, WRONG, WRONG. I'll put more when I have a chance later. Cheers, Stein. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ian Jordan Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 10:14 AM To: rv-list@matronics.com Subject: RV-List: RE: Tru Trak EFIS Subject: RV-List: Tru Trak EFIS From: "B25Flyer" < dougr@petroblend.com> "The EFIS is smooth as silk. I love my Dynon, but it jumps around in turbulence. The Tru Trak is rock solid smooth." That's because it's not an artificial horizon. It's a VSI and turn rate indicator. It will show you pitched down as you're stalling with your nose way above the horizon. It will look more stable because it's much less responsive and indicates something totally different than every other EFIS on the planet. The heading on it is GPS track so it only updates accurately once per second. "The entire unit is very intuitive and with little or no briefing someone should be able to jump in it and fly away." Actually, it's not. It looks like it's an artificial horizon, but it's something totally different. Someone just jumping into the plane will assume it's a horizon and can get into some serious situations with it. It's going to be the one instrument in a plane that will require serious training so that people don't use it like they think they should based on all of their years of experiences with artificial horizons. The heading tape isn't magnetic so you can't fly ATC vectors with it, you can't use it for unusual attitude recovery like you would an AH, and it will show you banking as you slip. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?RV-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:01:43 AM PST US From: "Ed Anderson" Subject: Re: RV-List: RE: Tru Trak EFIS Be interested in your rebuttal, Stein, because from what is posted on the TruTrak Web page (below) it sure appears that pitch attitude is primarily based on vertical speed (gyro enhanced). Ed ----- Original MesADI Bank angle is instantaneous gyro data. Pitch is gyro enhanced vertical speed. Direction is an electronic DG showing track. Extreme bank angle is enunciated by flashing red arrows which indicate required stick motion to correct unusual attitude. Low airspeed warning is enunciated by flashing A-S on the display. Solid state rate gyros for pitch and roll. sage ----- From: SteinAir, Inc. To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 11:57 AM Subject: RE: RV-List: RE: Tru Trak EFIS I don't have time to fully respond to this, but the information Ian provided below is just WRONG, WRONG, WRONG. I'll put more when I have a chance later. Cheers, Stein. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ian Jordan Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 10:14 AM To: rv-list@matronics.com Subject: RV-List: RE: Tru Trak EFIS Subject: RV-List: Tru Trak EFIS From: "B25Flyer" < dougr@petroblend.com> "The EFIS is smooth as silk. I love my Dynon, but it jumps around in turbulence. The Tru Trak is rock solid smooth." That's because it's not an artificial horizon. It's a VSI and turn rate indicator. It will show you pitched down as you're stalling with your nose way above the horizon. It will look more stable because it's much less responsive and indicates something totally different than every other EFIS on the planet. The heading on it is GPS track so it only updates accurately once per second. "The entire unit is very intuitive and with little or no briefing someone should be able to jump in it and fly away." Actually, it's not. It looks like it's an artificial horizon, but it's something totally different. Someone just jumping into the plane will assume it's a horizon and can get into some serious situations with it. It's going to be the one instrument in a plane that will require serious training so that people don't use it like they think they should based on all of their years of experiences with artificial horizons. The heading tape isn't magnetic so you can't fly ATC vectors with it, you can't use it for unusual attitude recovery like you would an AH, and it will show you banking as you slip. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?RV-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:31:44 AM PST US From: Mike Robertson Subject: RE: RV-List: Re:N number requirements Dale, Good question. To start, the 'N' number can also be placed on the vertical fin (Check FAR 45.25). And there is a FAR that addresses size and width, etc. FAR 45.29(c) says that the width of the character must be 2/3 as wide as it is high except for the number 1 which must be 1/6 as wide as it is h igh, and the letters "M" and "W" which may be as wide as they are high. FA R 45.29(d) states that the thickness of each character must be of solid lin es 1/6 as thick as the character is high. FAR 45.29(e) says that the spaci ng between characters may not be less than 1/4 of the character width. Or you could just look up FAR 45.21 through 45.29 on the web and read all o f it. I hope this gets you close to what you wanted. If not let me know. Mike Robertson From: densing@carolina.rr.comTo: rv-list@matronics.comSubject: RV-List: Re: N number requirementsDate: Tue, 8 May 2007 18:52:23 -0400 To Das Fed aka Mike Robertson Are there any other requirements for displaying the N number on the fuselag e of an Experimental aircraft other than; three inches high, horizontal pat tern located between trailing edge of wing and leading edge of horizontal s tab, and in a contrasting color? Any minimum width of the stroke of the letters/numbers? Thanks Dale Ensing do not archive _________________________________________________________________ Change is good. See what=92s different about Windows Live Hotmail. www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/default.html?locale=en-us&ocid=TX T_TAGLM_HMWL_reten_changegood_0507 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:48:36 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: Compressor & Painting Questions From: "John W. Cox" There is a substantial pressure loss with length of hose and material constructed. Hard plumbing of the supply lines helps regardless of PVC, copper or steel supply lines. The reservoir capacity makes a difference in cycle time. Locating it away from the work area makes for a pleasant experience. I found a cost benefit in using 230VAC rather than another 115VAC run. But then, I went nuts and bought a twin Ingersoll Rand and thought I could hide it from my wife. Draining the tank is an important feature as well. Harbor Freight is offering disposable inline filters - Item 38159 for $2.99 (Save 2 bucks with an email coupon) through 5/12. John Cox ________________________________ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Meyette Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 7:21 AM Subject: RE: RV-List: Compressor & Painting Questions It's highly recommended to extend an air compressor's range via hose, rather than wire. I believe the owner's manual for most any compressor will tell you this. The most common hose size is 3/8", with =BC" being the cheap stuff. If you're concerned about air flow, use =BD" hose. You could go larger, but I doubt you'd need it. =BD" hose and fittings are fairly common. It sounds to me like either compressor you mentioned will be more than enough. I can't speak to the servicing of either compressor. brian -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Doug Medema Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 7:55 PM Subject: RV-List: Compressor & Painting Questions I'm equipping my paint booth and have come up with some questions. I'm planning on buying the DeVilbiss FinishLine 3 HVLP spray gun. This gun takes more air than my little 2hp compressor can deliver so I'm going to buy a bigger one. I'm choosing between the Kobalt 60 gallon single stage from Lowes or the Husky Pro 60 gallon single stage from Home Depot. Both have 15 amp 230 volt motors. The Kobalt has better specs as far as SCFM is concerned. The pump has a cast iron case and cylinder (though the cylinder head appears to be aluminum). It is a single cylinder pump. The Husky Pro has a two cylinder compressor, but the cylinders are aluminum with supposedly an iron or steel sleeve. The Kobalt gives a noise rating of 76dBa which seems fairly quiet for a compressor of this size. Both cost $400. I would probably just choose the Kobalt, but there are some horror stories on the internet about problems with Kobalt compressors and getting them serviced. 1) Anybody out there have experience with either of these compressors? Things you like? Things you dislike? 2) My painting area is quite a ways away from where I have 230Volt power. I was originally planning to buy a 100 foot 10 gauge extension cord, cut off the ends, and wire it to the compressor and a plug that fits my 230 outlets. Those cords are almost $100 right now! I already have 100 feet of 3/8" I.D. air hose. Will I have any problems running an HVLP gun off 100 feet of air hose? 3) I could bring my old compressor into my paint booth and use it's 20 gallon tank as a more local air storage tank. Would this help any problems associated with using 100 feet of air hose? Thanks for your help. I'm getting close to starting the painting process! Doug Medema RV-6A N276DM 2:23 PM - NEW MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - --> http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:05:59 AM PST US From: "Dale Ensing" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re:N number requirements Thanks Mike, I knew is was somewhere in FAR 45 but my FAR/AIM does not include 45 and I was not successful finding the actual FAR on the web. I'll try again. Thanks again. Dale do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Robertson To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 1:30 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Re:N number requirements Dale, Good question. To start, the 'N' number can also be placed on the vertical fin (Check FAR 45.25). And there is a FAR that addresses size and width, etc. FAR 45.29(c) says that the width of the character must be 2/3 as wide as it is high except for the number 1 which must be 1/6 as wide as it is high, and the letters "M" and "W" which may be as wide as they are high. FAR 45.29(d) states that the thickness of each character must be of solid lines 1/6 as thick as the character is high. FAR 45.29(e) says that the spacing between characters may not be less than 1/4 of the character width. Or you could just look up FAR 45.21 through 45.29 on the web and read all of it. I hope this gets you close to what you wanted. If not let me know. Mike Robertson ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: densing@carolina.rr.com To: rv-list@matronics.com Subject: RV-List: Re:N number requirements Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 18:52:23 -0400 To Das Fed aka Mike Robertson Are there any other requirements for displaying the N number on the fuselage of an Experimental aircraft other than; three inches high, horizontal pattern located between trailing edge of wing and leading edge of horizontal stab, and in a contrasting color? Any minimum width of the stroke of the letters/numbers? Thanks Dale Ensing do not archive t=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List p://forums.matronics.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Create the ultimate e-mail address book. Import your contacts to Windows Live Hotmail. Try it! ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:01:53 PM PST US From: "Tim Bryan" Subject: RE: RV-List: Compressor & Painting Questions If you keep the hose at high pressure off the compressor and put your regulator at the end where you are working, it shouldn=92t be a problem. 100 =91 of hose at 125psi should be sufficient if you are spraying at 35-45 psi. Unfortunately I don=92t know how much volume is used with HVLP even though the HV stands for high volume. Do Not Archive Tim _____ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 12:48 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Compressor & Painting Questions There is a substantial pressure loss with length of hose and material constructed. Hard plumbing of the supply lines helps regardless of PVC, copper or steel supply lines. The reservoir capacity makes a difference in cycle time. Locating it away from the work area makes for a pleasant experience. I found a cost benefit in using 230VAC rather than another 115VAC run. But then, I went nuts and bought a twin Ingersoll Rand and thought I could hide it from my wife. Draining the tank is an important feature as well. Harbor Freight is offering disposable inline filters - Item 38159 for $2.99 (Save 2 bucks with an email coupon) through 5/12. John Cox _____ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Meyette Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 7:21 AM Subject: RE: RV-List: Compressor & Painting Questions It=92s highly recommended to extend an air compressor=92s range via hose, rather than wire. I believe the owner=92s manual for most any compressor will tell you this. The most common hose size is 3/8=94, with =BC=94 being the cheap stuff. If you=92re concerned about air flow, use =BD=94 hose. You could go larger, but I doubt you=92d need it. =BD=94 hose and fittings are fairly common. It sounds to me like either compressor you mentioned will be more than enough. I can=92t speak to the servicing of either compressor. brian -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Doug Medema Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 7:55 PM Subject: RV-List: Compressor & Painting Questions I'm equipping my paint booth and have come up with some questions. I'm planning on buying the DeVilbiss FinishLine 3 HVLP spray gun. This gun takes more air than my little 2hp compressor can deliver so I'm going to buy a bigger one. I'm choosing between the Kobalt 60 gallon single stage from Lowes or the Husky Pro 60 gallon single stage from Home Depot. Both have 15 amp 230 volt motors. The Kobalt has better specs as far as SCFM is concerned. The pump has a cast iron case and cylinder (though the cylinder head appears to be aluminum). It is a single cylinder pump. The Husky Pro has a two cylinder compressor, but the cylinders are aluminum with supposedly an iron or steel sleeve. The Kobalt gives a noise rating of 76dBa which seems fairly quiet for a compressor of this size. Both cost $400. I would probably just choose the Kobalt, but there are some horror stories on the internet about problems with Kobalt compressors and getting them serviced. 1) Anybody out there have experience with either of these compressors? Things you like? Things you dislike? 2) My painting area is quite a ways away from where I have 230Volt power. I was originally planning to buy a 100 foot 10 gauge extension cord, cut off the ends, and wire it to the compressor and a plug that fits my 230 outlets. Those cords are almost $100 right now! I already have 100 feet of 3/8" I.D. air hose. Will I have any problems running an HVLP gun off 100 feet of air hose? 3) I could bring my old compressor into my paint booth and use it's 20 gallon tank as a more local air storage tank. Would this help any problems associated with using 100 feet of air hose? Thanks for your help. I'm getting close to starting the painting process! Doug Medema RV-6A N276DM 2:23 PM - NEW MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - --> http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:10:55 PM PST US From: "Konrad L. Werner" Subject: Re: RV-List: Compressor & Painting Questions You can always put one of these portable airtanks 5-7 gallons at the end of the hose and before the paintgun, to be used as a pressure buffer. Works just fine, as I did that many times before!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Bryan To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 12:56 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Compressor & Painting Questions If you keep the hose at high pressure off the compressor and put your regulator at the end where you are working, it shouldn't be a problem. 100 ' of hose at 125psi should be sufficient if you are spraying at 35-45 psi. Unfortunately I don't know how much volume is used with HVLP even though the HV stands for high volume. Do Not Archive Tim ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 12:48 PM To: rv-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: RV-List: Compressor & Painting Questions There is a substantial pressure loss with length of hose and material constructed. Hard plumbing of the supply lines helps regardless of PVC, copper or steel supply lines. The reservoir capacity makes a difference in cycle time. Locating it away from the work area makes for a pleasant experience. I found a cost benefit in using 230VAC rather than another 115VAC run. But then, I went nuts and bought a twin Ingersoll Rand and thought I could hide it from my wife. Draining the tank is an important feature as well. Harbor Freight is offering disposable inline filters - Item 38159 for $2.99 (Save 2 bucks with an email coupon) through 5/12. John Cox ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Meyette Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 7:21 AM To: rv-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: RV-List: Compressor & Painting Questions It's highly recommended to extend an air compressor's range via hose, rather than wire. I believe the owner's manual for most any compressor will tell you this. The most common hose size is 3/8", with =BC" being the cheap stuff. If you're concerned about air flow, use =BD" hose. You could go larger, but I doubt you'd need it. =BD" hose and fittings are fairly common. It sounds to me like either compressor you mentioned will be more than enough. I can't speak to the servicing of either compressor. brian -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Doug Medema Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 7:55 PM To: rv-list@matronics.com Subject: RV-List: Compressor & Painting Questions I'm equipping my paint booth and have come up with some questions. I'm planning on buying the DeVilbiss FinishLine 3 HVLP spray gun. This gun takes more air than my little 2hp compressor can deliver so I'm going to buy a bigger one. I'm choosing between the Kobalt 60 gallon single stage from Lowes or the Husky Pro 60 gallon single stage from Home Depot. Both have 15 amp 230 volt motors. The Kobalt has better specs as far as SCFM is concerned. The pump has a cast iron case and cylinder (though the cylinder head appears to be aluminum). It is a single cylinder pump. The Husky Pro has a two cylinder compressor, but the cylinders are aluminum with supposedly an iron or steel sleeve. The Kobalt gives a noise rating of 76dBa which seems fairly quiet for a compressor of this size. Both cost $400. I would probably just choose the Kobalt, but there are some horror stories on the internet about problems with Kobalt compressors and getting them serviced. 1) Anybody out there have experience with either of these compressors? Things you like? Things you dislike? 2) My painting area is quite a ways away from where I have 230Volt power. I was originally planning to buy a 100 foot 10 gauge extension cord, cut off the ends, and wire it to the compressor and a plug that fits my 230 outlets. Those cords are almost $100 right now! I already have 100 feet of 3/8" I.D. air hose. Will I have any problems running an HVLP gun off 100 feet of air hose? 3) I could bring my old compressor into my paint booth and use it's 20 gallon tank as a more local air storage tank. Would this help any problems associated with using 100 feet of air hose? Thanks for your help. I'm getting close to starting the painting process! Doug Medema RV-6A N276DM 2:23 PM - NEW MATRONICS WEB FORUMS ---> http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 12:47:04 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: RV-List: Compressor & Painting Questions Don't forget that the fuel-air vapor of paint spray is highly explosive and as such you should keep the air compressor out of the paint booth. I'm sure that you already know that, but its worth mentionig. Have fun. ---- "Konrad L. Werner" wrote: > You can always put one of these portable airtanks 5-7 gallons at the end of the hose and before the paintgun, to be used as a pressure buffer. Works just fine, as I did that many times before!!! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tim Bryan > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 12:56 PM > Subject: RE: RV-List: Compressor & Painting Questions > > > If you keep the hose at high pressure off the compressor and put your regulator at the end where you are working, it shouldn't be a problem. 100 ' of hose at 125psi should be sufficient if you are spraying at 35-45 psi. Unfortunately I don't know how much volume is used with HVLP even though the HV stands for high volume. > > > > Do Not Archive > > > > Tim > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 12:48 PM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV-List: Compressor & Painting Questions > > > > There is a substantial pressure loss with length of hose and material constructed. Hard plumbing of the supply lines helps regardless of PVC, copper or steel supply lines. The reservoir capacity makes a difference in cycle time. Locating it away from the work area makes for a pleasant experience. I found a cost benefit in using 230VAC rather than another 115VAC run. But then, I went nuts and bought a twin Ingersoll Rand and thought I could hide it from my wife. > > > > Draining the tank is an important feature as well. > > > > Harbor Freight is offering disposable inline filters - Item 38159 for $2.99 (Save 2 bucks with an email coupon) through 5/12. > > > > John Cox > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Meyette > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 7:21 AM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV-List: Compressor & Painting Questions > > > > It's highly recommended to extend an air compressor's range via hose, rather than wire. I believe the owner's manual for most any compressor will tell you this. The most common hose size is 3/8", with " being the cheap stuff. If you're concerned about air flow, use " hose. You could go larger, but I doubt you'd need it. " hose and fittings are fairly common. > > > > It sounds to me like either compressor you mentioned will be more than enough. I can't speak to the servicing of either compressor. > > brian > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Doug Medema > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 7:55 PM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: Compressor & Painting Questions > > > > I'm equipping my paint booth and have come up with some questions. > > I'm planning on buying the DeVilbiss FinishLine 3 HVLP spray gun. > > This gun takes more air than my little 2hp compressor can deliver so > > I'm going to buy a bigger one. > > > > I'm choosing between the Kobalt 60 gallon single stage from Lowes or > > the Husky Pro 60 gallon single stage from Home Depot. Both have > > 15 amp 230 volt motors. The Kobalt has better specs as far as > > SCFM is concerned. The pump has a cast iron case and cylinder > > (though the cylinder head appears to be aluminum). It is a single > > cylinder pump. The Husky Pro has a two cylinder compressor, but > > the cylinders are aluminum with supposedly an iron or steel sleeve. > > The Kobalt gives a noise rating of 76dBa which seems fairly quiet for > > a compressor of this size. Both cost $400. I would probably just > > choose the Kobalt, but there are some horror stories on the internet > > about problems with Kobalt compressors and getting them serviced. > > > > 1) Anybody out there have experience with either of these compressors? > > Things you like? Things you dislike? > > > > 2) My painting area is quite a ways away from where I have 230Volt power. > > I was originally planning to buy a 100 foot 10 gauge extension cord, cut > > off the ends, and wire it to the compressor and a plug that fits my 230 > > outlets. Those cords are almost $100 right now! I already have 100 feet of > > 3/8" I.D. air hose. Will I have any problems running an HVLP gun > > off 100 feet of air hose? > > > > 3) I could bring my old compressor into my paint booth and use it's 20 > > gallon tank as a more local air storage tank. Would this help any > > problems associated with using 100 feet of air hose? > > > > Thanks for your help. I'm getting close to starting the painting process! > > > > Doug Medema > > RV-6A N276DM > > > > > 2:23 PM > > - NEW MATRONICS WEB FORUMS ---> http://forums.matronics.com > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 12:49:01 PM PST US From: "rtitsworth" Subject: RE: RV-List: RE: Tru Trak EFIS Ed, The prior discussion/post was about the TruTrak EFIS. You seem to be citing a reference to a different instrument - the ADI. I'm confused. Does the EFIS use the ADI??? Rick _____ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ed Anderson Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 1:02 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: RE: Tru Trak EFIS Be interested in your rebuttal, Stein, because from what is posted on the TruTrak Web page (below) it sure appears that pitch attitude is primarily based on vertical speed (gyro enhanced). Ed ----- Original Mes ADI Bank angle is instantaneous gyro data. Pitch is gyro enhanced vertical speed. Direction is an electronic DG showing track. Extreme bank angle is enunciated by flashing red arrows which indicate required stick motion to correct unusual attitude. Low airspeed warning is enunciated by flashing A-S on the display. Solid state rate gyros for pitch and roll. ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 12:54:11 PM PST US From: Mike Robertson Subject: RE: RV-List: Re:N number requirements Dale, Try this link. I think it will work for you.......I hope..... http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgFAR.nsf/MainFra me?OpenFrameSet Mike From: densing@carolina.rr.comTo: rv-list@matronics.comSubject: Re: RV-List: Re:N number requirementsDate: Wed, 9 May 2007 14:04:25 -0400 Thanks Mike, I knew is was somewhere in FAR 45 but my FAR/AIM does not include 45 and I was not successful finding the actual FAR on the web. I'll try again. Thanks again. Dale do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Robertson Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 1:30 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Re:N number requirements Dale, Good question. To start, the 'N' number can also be placed on the ve rtical fin (Check FAR 45.25). And there is a FAR that addresses size and w idth, etc. FAR 45.29(c) says that the width of the character must be 2/3 a s wide as it is high except for the number 1 which must be 1/6 as wide as i t is high, and the letters "M" and "W" which may be as wide as they are hig h. FAR 45.29(d) states that the thickness of each character must be of sol id lines 1/6 as thick as the character is high. FAR 45.29(e) says that the spacing between characters may not be less than 1/4 of the character width . Or you could just look up FAR 45.21 through 45.29 on the web and read all of it. I hope this gets you close to what you wanted. If not let me kno w. Mike Robertson From: densing@carolina.rr.comTo: rv-list@matronics.comSubject: RV-List: Re: N number requirementsDate: Tue, 8 May 2007 18:52:23 -0400 To Das Fed aka Mike Robertson Are there any other requirements for displaying the N number on the fuselag e of an Experimental aircraft other than; three inches high, horizontal pat tern located between trailing edge of wing and leading edge of horizontal s tab, and in a contrasting color? Any minimum width of the stroke of the letters/numbers? Thanks Dale Ensing do not archive t=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List p://forums.matronics.com Create the ultimate e-mail address book. Import your contacts to Windows Li ve Hotmail. Try it! href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.co m/Navigator?RV-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com _________________________________________________________________ Change is good. See what=92s different about Windows Live Hotmail. www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/default.html?locale=en-us&ocid=TX T_TAGLM_HMWL_reten_changegood_0507 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 02:24:55 PM PST US From: Sherman Butler Subject: RE: RV-List: Re:N number requirements Any recommendations for companies that provide vinyl N numbers? Sherman Butler RV-7a Wings Idaho Falls --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 02:54:58 PM PST US From: "n801bh@netzero.com" Subject: RE: RV-List: Re:N number requirements I had my vinyl N numbers custom made in Idaho Falls. I even had them use the "drop shadow" style and they came out perfectly. It was a few years back but they were VERY reasonable in price, If I remember correctly th e pair was 90 bucks or so, they worked so well I went back and gave the lady a 30 dollar tip..Contact me at my web site www.haaspowerair.com and I will dig through my old invoices and get the name. do not archive Ben Haas, Jackson Hole Wy N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- Sherman Butler wrote: Any recommendations for companies that provide vinyl N numbers? Sherman Butler RV-7a Wings Idaho FallsAhhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== ========

I had my vinyl N numbers custom made in Idaho Falls. I even had them use the "drop shadow" style and they came out perfectly. It was a few years back but they were VERY reasonable in price, If I remember cor rectly the pair was 90 bucks or so, they worked so well I went back and gave the lady a 30 dollar tip..Contact me at my web site www.haaspowerair.com and I will dig through my old invoices and get the name.

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