---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 05/15/07: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:44 AM - Re: Where to put the fuel flow sensor (Chris Brooks) 2. 06:06 AM - Re: RV-9 Certified As E-LSA (Matt Jurotich) 3. 06:29 AM - Re: Where to put the fuel flow sensor (Ralph E. Capen) 4. 06:50 AM - Re: RV-9 Certified As E-LSA (Mike Robertson) 5. 07:01 AM - Re: RV-9 Certified As E-LSA (Mike Robertson) 6. 10:09 AM - Re: RV-9 Certified As E-LSA (jbker@juno.com) 7. 03:33 PM - Which Plugs? (Ron Brown) 8. 04:53 PM - Re: Which Plugs? (Doug Weiler) 9. 05:33 PM - Re: Which Plugs? (Bob J.) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:44:01 AM PST US From: Chris Brooks Subject: Re: RV-List: Where to put the fuel flow sensor I have the fuel flow sensor mounted in my left wing root, after the gascola tor. My fuel boost pump is mounted in the center console beneath the select or valve. I wanted my boost pump as close to the tanks as possible. Haven' t had any problems yet with the flowscan between the pumps. 220hrs Chris _________________________________________________________________ Change is good. See what=92s different about Windows Live Hotmail. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/default.html?locale=en-us&oc id=RMT_TAGLM_HMWL_reten_changegood_0507 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:06:41 AM PST US From: Matt Jurotich Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-9 Certified As E-LSA Build your airplane as an experimental and set the gross weight at 1320 or less and put on a prop that maxs top speed at 120 knots. Then a certificated pilot with a medical can fly it as experimental amateur built and LSA pilot can fly it as an LSA. Just like a 1946 Aeronca Champ! Matthew M. Jurotich e-mail mail to: phone : 301-286-5919 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:29:20 AM PST US From: "Ralph E. Capen" Subject: Re: RV-List: Where to put the fuel flow sensor Chris, Does that mean that you're only getting fuel flow from one wing? -----Original Message----- >From: Chris Brooks >Sent: May 15, 2007 8:42 AM >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: RV-List: Where to put the fuel flow sensor > > >I have the fuel flow sensor mounted in my left wing root, after the gascolator. My fuel boost pump is mounted in the center console beneath the selector valve. I wanted my boost pump as close to the tanks as possible. Haven't had any problems yet with the flowscan between the pumps. 220hrs > >Chris >_________________________________________________________________ >Change is good. See whats different about Windows Live Hotmail. >http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/default.html?locale=en-us&ocid=RMT_TAGLM_HMWL_reten_changegood_0507 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:50:09 AM PST US From: Mike Robertson Subject: RE: RV-List: RV-9 Certified As E-LSA Sorry, Someone distracted me right when I was typing this. You are correct . It is 45 knots. Mike > From: khorton01@rogers.com> Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-9 Certified As E-LSA > Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 20:20:30 -0400> To: rv-list@matronics.com> > --> R V-List message posted by: Kevin Horton > > Where did the 39 kt stall requirement come from? The light sport > aircraft definitio n in FAR 1.1 says 45 kt stall, without the use of > lift-enhancing devices. > > Kevin Horton> > On 14 May 2007, at 16:30, Mike Robertson wrote:> > > Ha wk,> >> > it is not supposed to be a discrepancy. Category 1 that you talk > > about is for existing light-sport aircraft. That has created > > somewh at of a loophole. It was designed for existing ultra-lights, > > but also w as meant to include those folks already building an > > otherwise amateur-b uilt aircraft at the time this new rule took > > effect that have not had t he chance to get a letter of compliance > > from the manf. but otherwise me t the rule/definition of a light- > > sport aircraft. If the builder of an RV-9 was able to convince an > > inspector that his aircraft could not/woul d not go faster than 120 > > kts in cruise and could stall at 39 knots or l ess then he was > > eligible for an experimental light-sport certificate. T he up side > > is he can operate it with only a driver's license instead of a > > medical and will get away with a few less flight test hours. The > > down side is he will have to go to a 16 hour school somewhere in > > order to qualify for the repairman cert.> >> > Mike Robertson> > Das Fed> > From : hawk@compuplus.net> > To: rv-list@matronics.com> > Subject: RV-List: RV-9 Certified As E-LSA> > Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 22:49:50 -0600> >> > A curren t thread in Doug Reeve's VAF Forums (and a First-Flight > > report on Van's site) concerns the certification of an RV-9 in the > > ELSA Category. I ca n't find any reference to the mechanism of > > such a certification in the Final Rule on SP/LSA published by the > > FAA. Indeed, all the references I have run across support Ron > > Wanttaja's summary in his May 2005 'Kitpla nes' article:> >> > "There are three basic ways an aircraft can receive an ELSA > > airworthiness certificate: (1) conversion of a former two-seat > > ultralight trainer (through early 2008), (2) construction of the > > aircr aft from an ELSA kit or plans, and (3) conversion of an > > existing SLSA.> >> > It takes no FAA approval to put together an Ex/AB kit to sell to > > other builders. A potential ELSA manufacturer, however, must build > > a pr ototype aircraft, ensure it meets the LSA concensus standards, > > pass the FAA inspection and receive the SLSA certificate. At that > > point, the ma nufacturer can either begin producing ready-to-fly > > SLSAs or ELSA kits." > >> > Can anyone comment on this apparent discrepancy, particularly from > =================> > > _________________________________________________________________ Download Messenger. Start an i=92m conversation. Support a cause. Join now. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGWL_MAY07 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:01:08 AM PST US From: Mike Robertson Subject: RE: RV-List: RV-9 Certified As E-LSA Charlie, After January 31, 2008 you last paragraph is exactly what will happen. In order for a kit manufacturer to issue a letter of compliance he must have s ubmitted the design to the Standardization board to proof compliance and ha ve received concurrence from them. Even under the current rules, any aircr aft that meets the requirements of a light-sport aircraft under FAR 1 may b e operated as a light-sport aircraft. With that in mind then a person with a private license and a current medical could be operating IFR one day, th en the next day when his medical expires he could operating the exact same aircraft as a light-sport providing it meets the definition. Mike Robertson > Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 19:24:19 -0500> From: ceengland@bellsouth.net> To: rv-list@matronics.com> Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-9 Certified As E-LSA> > -- i Mike,> > The info below seems to imply one of two things. Either there's an easy > out, since the builder is the manufacturer, or we are sliding dow n that > slippery slope where parts sellers become manufacturers, with all the > legal/liability ramifications.> > If I build the a/c, shouldn't I, as the manufacturer, be the one to > supply the letter of compliance?> > If I scratch build a Cub or Taylorcraft-like plane from plans, who will > be ab le to supply the letter of compliance?> > Or are you saying that the plane would simply be an experimental > (instead of E-LSA) with gross weight & to p speed set to comply with the > LSA limits, then we can operate that plane under LSA rules?> > Thanks,> > Charlie> > Mike Robertson wrote:> > > > > > > > Bernie,> > > > You were not mislead under the current rules. BUT, afte r January 31, > > 2008 there is going to be some changes. On that date the category 1 > > existing aircraft certification possibilities will go away. After that > > date you will have to prove that the aircraft is LSA complia nt, be it a > > kit or pre-built, via a letter of compliance from the aircr aft > > manufacturer. So if you have an aircraft you want to get into LSA, you > > better get on the stick.> > > > Now, with that being said, that wil l not change anything about operating > > an aircraft under the LSA rules, just the certification rules.> > > > Mike Robertson> > > > ---------------- --------------------------------------------------------> > From: jbker@jun o.com> > Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 21:57:08 +0000> > To: rv-list@matronics.com > > Subject: RE: RV-List: RV-9 Certified As E-LSA> > > > Mike,> > I was giv en the opinion at SnF by both the FAA and EAA that there> > was no distinct ion on FAA records whether an amateur built exp was> > an airplane or a LSA . Also that there was nothing that a kit builder> > did to say which is was and it was up to the builder to decide if it> > qualified as an LSA to be flown by a driver's license medical pilot.> > Was I mislead??> > Bernie Ker =======================> > > _________________________________________________________________ Create the ultimate e-mail address book. Import your contacts to Windows Li ve Hotmail. www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/managemail2.html?locale=en-us&ocid =TXT_TAGLM_HMWL_reten_impcont_0507 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:09:10 AM PST US From: "jbker@juno.com" Subject: RE: RV-List: RV-9 Certified As E-LSA Mike, I must be ready for LSA , I'm more confused now. Lets only talk about af ter Jan 31/08 since the 12 kit will not be out until about that date :>) Will there be 3 categories of LSA? 1.Amateur built aircraft that meet L SA standards as certified by the builder 2. ELSA that will be certifie d by the FAA as LSA qualified and has to be built with no mods 3. LSA r eady to fly aircraft This is the way it was explained by Van at his 12 forum without mention of Jan 31/08. Please help this senile ol' man out! Bernie

Mike,

I must be ready for LSA , I'm more confused now. Lets only talk about after Jan 31/08 since the 12 kit will not be out until about that date :>)

Will there be 3 categories of LSA?  1.Amateur built aircraft tha t meet LSA standards as certified by the builder  2.  ELSA tha t will be certified by the FAA as LSA qualified and has to be built with no mods  3. LSA ready to fly aircraft

This is the way it was explained by Van at his 12 forum without menti on of Jan 31/08.

Please help this senile ol' man out!

Bernie
________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:33:24 PM PST US From: "Ron Brown" Subject: RV-List: Which Plugs? I need to buy a new set of plugs for my IO360 C1C - 200 HP. I have a Jeff Rose Electroair on the bottom plugs (REM37BY) - and a Slick mag on the top plugs (REM38E). I've got 350 hours on them, cleaned and regapped them during the condition inspection which I finished yesterday - but now I've got some plugs that aren't firing 100%. (Some times it doesn't pay to fix things that aren't broken!!! - it ran like a top all the way to Lakeland and back!) I would like to use the NKG plugs that Klaus recommends with inserts. The inserts are pricey but sure saves money down the road - but I need to know what plugs to use? THANKS, Ronnie Velocity 173 Elite RG (well I do have a set of RV-6A plans! but I didn't stay in the Holiday Inn Express) ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:53:40 PM PST US From: "Doug Weiler" Subject: Re: RV-List: Which Plugs? I used the plugs that Lightspeed recommends: http://www.lsecorp.com/Products/Sparkplugs.htm I run a dual Lightspeed system and after 100 hours it has been totally issue-free. Doug Weiler RV-4 N722DW ----- Originhttp://www.lsecorp.com/Products/Sparkplugs.htmal Message ----- From: Ron Brown To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 5:22 PM Subject: RV-List: Which Plugs? I need to buy a new set of plugs for my IO360 C1C - 200 HP. I have a Jeff Rose Electroair on the bottom plugs (REM37BY) - and a Slick mag on the top plugs (REM38E). I've got 350 hours on them, cleaned and regapped them during the condition inspection which I finished yesterday - but now I've got some plugs that aren't firing 100%. (Some times it doesn't pay to fix things that aren't broken!!! - it ran like a top all the way to Lakeland and back!) I would like to use the NKG plugs that Klaus recommends with inserts. The inserts are pricey but sure saves money down the road - but I need to know what plugs to use? THANKS, Ronnie Velocity 173 Elite RG (well I do have a set of RV-6A plans! but I didn't stay in the Holiday Inn Express) ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:33:26 PM PST US From: "Bob J." Subject: Re: RV-List: Which Plugs? NGK BR9ES, about $1.50 or so at your local autoparts store. Spruce has the adapters. Your problems will disappear running the NGK plugs. They last forever too. Regards, Bob Japundza RV-6 flying F1 under const. On 5/15/07, Ron Brown wrote: > > I need to buy a new set of plugs for my IO360 C1C - 200 HP. > > I have a Jeff Rose Electroair on the bottom plugs (REM37BY) - and a Slick > mag on the top plugs (REM38E). I've got 350 hours on them, cleaned and > regapped them during the condition inspection which I finished yesterday - > but now I've got some plugs that aren't firing 100%. (Some times it doesn't > pay to fix things that aren't broken!!! - it ran like a top all the way to > Lakeland and back!) > > I would like to use the NKG plugs that Klaus recommends with inserts. > The inserts are pricey but sure saves money down the road - but I need to > know what plugs to use? > > THANKS, > > Ronnie > > Velocity 173 Elite RG (well I do have a set of RV-6A plans! but I didn't > stay in the Holiday Inn Express) > > * > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List > http://forums.matronics.com > > * > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.