---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 05/24/07: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:15 AM - Re: RV-List Digest: 32 Msgs - 05/23/07 (Rodney Boyd) 2. 12:21 AM - Re: skin dents (Fiveonepw@aol.com) 3. 04:30 AM - Re: FS: MT Prop Gov (Neal George) 4. 06:14 AM - Re: skin dents (Bret Smith) 5. 06:14 AM - RV-7 Elevator mismatch (James H Nelson) 6. 08:11 AM - Re: skin dents (George Inman 204 287 8334) 7. 12:47 PM - Re: skin dents (pcowper@webtv.net (Pete Cowper)) 8. 03:12 PM - RV-7 Crash (Condon, Philip M.) 9. 08:06 PM - Re: skin dents (Kelly McMullen) 10. 11:47 PM - Re: skin dents (Fiveonepw@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:15:04 AM PST US From: "Rodney Boyd" Subject: RV-List: Re: RV-List Digest: 32 Msgs - 05/23/07 I will be returning from vacation on June 4, 2007. If you need something prior to then, please contact Bill Barry at 7070 or by email. Rodney ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:21:37 AM PST US From: Fiveonepw@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: skin dents Hi Pat- FWIW, I've seen RVs that looked like they were beat together with bricks, and the still fly great and refuse to fall out of the sky. If on close examination it is clear that the dents have no particularly sharp edges that might lead to cracks, then I'd suggest you just keep an eye on them and fly... Suggest you get someone else to peruse the items in question, preferably an experienced RV builder or EAA Tech Counselor for a 2nd or 3rd "opinion"! Mark Phillips, builder RV-6A/RV-7A & Tech counselor, Columbia, TN _http://websites.expercraft.com/n51pw/_ (http://websites.expercraft.com/n51pw/) do not archive ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:30:41 AM PST US From: "Neal George" Subject: RE: RV-List: FS: MT Prop Gov Now there's a good idea - thanks Jim!/ New MT Propeller Governor P-860-4 for (I)O-360/(I)O-320 aft-mounted applications. $1075 Shipped. Neal E. George 2023 Everglades Drive Navarre, FL 32566 Home - 850-515-0640 Cell - 850-218-4838 It would be nice if you listed the MT governor part number. That way the correct engine usage could be determined. Perhaps from my MT Propeller Governor page on my website, www.lessdrag.com Regards, Jim Ayers Less Drag Products, Inc. 805-795-5377 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:14:56 AM PST US From: "Bret Smith" Subject: Re: RV-List: skin dents Hey Mark, I thought you gave up hammering rivets with a brick long ago...;) Do not archive Bret Smith RV-9A "Fuselage" Blue Ridge, GA www.FlightInnovations.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Fiveonepw@aol.com To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 3:20 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: skin dents Hi Pat- FWIW, I've seen RVs that looked like they were beat together with bricks, and the still fly great and refuse to fall out of the sky. If on close examination it is clear that the dents have no particularly sharp edges that might lead to cracks, then I'd suggest you just keep an eye on them and fly... Suggest you get someone else to peruse the items in question, preferably an experienced RV builder or EAA Tech Counselor for a 2nd or 3rd "opinion"! Mark Phillips, builder RV-6A/RV-7A & Tech counselor, Columbia, TN http://websites.expercraft.com/n51pw/ do not archive ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- See what's free at AOL.com. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:14:56 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: RV-7 Elevator mismatch From: James H Nelson Dave, I had the same problem. The solution is to move one of the rod ends in or out that suport the horiz stab. It drove me bonkers untill I was removing the stab's and I accidently moved it only a bit rearward and suddenly all things lined up. I then rotated the rod end one half rev and re-assembled it and it was almost where it needed to be. I then rotated it one more half turn and the counterweights line up and it was great. The one rod end I rotated was the one closest to the fuselage not the outside rod end. Problem solved! Jim Nelson RV9-A ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:11:10 AM PST US From: George Inman 204 287 8334 Subject: Re: RV-List: skin dents Have you thought about using a dent puller such as one of the following http://www.autobarn.net/xxxw-hs-7500.html http://www.tooltopia.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=8598&ysmchn BIZ&ysmcpn=Shopzilla&ysmgrp=Shopzilla&ysmtrm=HS%207500&ysmtac=CMP&utm_source =Shopzilla&utm_campaign=Shopzilla&utm_term=HS%207500&utm_medium=CMP http://www.asseenontv.com/prod-pages/pops-a-dent.html If the dents are shallow without sharp bends it might work. On May 23, 2007, at 07:58 287230005, Patrick Kelley wrote: How to deal with skin dents? This may be an odd question coming from someone whose airframe is so far done, so let me give some background. I learned to rivet on my horizontal stabilizer. At the time, I was working for American International Airways and I got one of the IAs to come over and teach me. Predictably, I dented a few spots and was reassured that the dings were slight, not structural, and would be easily covered up. So, as I continued to build, the occasional 'oops' did not overly concern me; I got much better at avoiding them and even when they did occur they were less severe than my first ones. Now fast forward to yesterday. I got a tech advisor to come out and look at my aircraft. He's an 88 y.o. IA who knew of the RV-6A but was a little fuzzy on the details (he didn't know the cowl was fiberglass or that piano hinge was used to attach it, for instance). But I respected his years of experience and followed his comments. Then he focused on the dents and said they would HAVE to be fixed; they looked like hell. George H. Inman ghinman@mts.net RV-8 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:47:40 PM PST US From: pcowper@webtv.net (Pete Cowper) Subject: RV-List: Re: skin dents If you have a severe dent which you can reach to attempt to "hammer & dolly" the dent, do not use both a metal hammer and metal dolly or the aluminum will stretch. Use a softer plastic such as Delrin for the hammer or wood or plastic for the dolly under the dent. Use multiple light taps on aluminum as it "moves" very easily. Rubbing a piece of wood under aluminum dents will greatly reduce most to the extent that often an extra coat of primer will be sufficient to block sand it smooth with no additional filler. Pete Cowper RV-8 #81139 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:12:25 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: RV-7 Crash From: "Condon, Philip M." http://www.wlwt.com/news/13357582/detail.html MARYSVILLE, Ohio -- An amateur-built plane crashed Monday in a cornfield in central Ohio as the pilot tried to land at a small airport, killing the two Florida men in the aircraft, authorities said. The plane made a slow spiral as it fell and hit the ground at a sharp angle, sending up smoke, said Dale Scheiderer, a farmer who was on his tractor planting soybeans when he watched the plane crash into his cornfield. Shortly before that, the pilot had radioed Union County Airport near the farm, notifying officials the plane was about three miles away and was about to land, airport manager Adam Gibson said. Wind was light and visibility was clear as the two-seat plane traveled the length of the runway at about 10 feet off the ground, then turned slightly left, he said. "I saw it come in low, and then when it didn't land, I didn't necessarily think anything of it," Gibson said. "We assumed he was going around for another try." But the RV-7A plane crashed nose first instead in the field south of Marysville. The pilot was Evan Wood, 68, and the passenger was Walter Buchholz, 73, both of Punta Gorda, Fla., State Highway Patrol Lt. Rick Zwayer said. The men died on impact, county Coroner David Applegate said. Autopsies will be performed. The plane took off from Bay City, Mich., early Monday morning, and probably was stopping in Marysville to refuel, Zwayer said. An RV-7A is built from a kit, which costs about $18,000 without an engine, propeller or interior furnishing and can take about 1,500 hours to put together, said Dick Knapinski, spokesman for the Osh Kosh, Wis.-based Experimental Aircraft Association. The planes must be certified as air worthy by federal aviation regulators, he said. Federal investigators have been informed of the crash. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:06:30 PM PST US From: Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: RV-List: skin dents There are pros at doing this with metal "spoons" found in the phone book under dentless auto body repair. Works as long as there is no crease and individual is experienced with aluminum, rather than steel auto bodies. Michael D. Cencula wrote: > > FWIW, careful pushing with a popsicle stick or other small piece of wood can > greatly reduce the appearance of dents in skins. I've repaired a couple > small dents using this method in my empennage skins. > > Mike > > On Wednesday May 23 2007 09:58 am, Patrick Kelley wrote: > >> How to deal with skin dents? This may be an odd question coming from >> > > >> Phoenix) or if he is right. Comments and opinions much appreciated. >> >> >> >> Pat Kelley - RV-6A - Odd tasks while waiting for avionics. >> > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:47:47 PM PST US From: Fiveonepw@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: skin dents In a message dated 5/24/2007 8:17:10 AM Central Daylight Time, smithhb@tds.net writes: I thought you gave up hammering rivets with a brick long ago...;) Nah, the "brick" is one of my favorites, along with my "chunky" and "woodle bar"... 8-) Mark do not archive ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.