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1. 10:46 AM - Eggenfelner FWF Probelm - Help! (John Fasching)
2. 11:05 AM - Catto 3-blade propeller torque (Vince-Himsl)
3. 11:09 AM - Re: Eggenfelner FWF Probelm - Help! (Ed Anderson)
4. 12:23 PM - Re: Eggenfelner FWF Probelm - Help! (linn Walters)
5. 12:25 PM - Catto Propellor Delivery experience (Vince-Himsl)
6. 01:06 PM - Re: Eggenfelner FWF Probelm - Help! (Dale Ensing)
7. 01:23 PM - Re: Catto 3-blade propeller torque (Spprtypilot)
8. 01:52 PM - Re: Catto 3-blade propeller torque (Ron Lee)
9. 03:26 PM - Re: Catto 3-blade propeller torque (Jerry Calvert)
10. 03:34 PM - Re: Catto 3-blade propeller torque (Vince-Himsl)
11. 04:03 PM - Re: skin dents (Emrath)
12. 06:42 PM - Re: Builder's Bookstore Bargain Basement (Carl Bell)
13. 07:11 PM - Re: Catto 3-blade propeller torque (Ron Lee)
14. 10:38 PM - Spinner wobble (Vince-Himsl)
15. 11:44 PM - Re: Spinner wobble (Dale Walter)
16. 11:56 PM - Re: Spinner wobble (Karl Ahamer)
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| Subject: | Eggenfelner FWF Probelm - Help! |
A friend is about done with an Eggenflener FWF pacakge in his RV7A and
has asked me to look into a problem with the electronic/electrical system.
Here's what is being observed, and if anyone has seen anything like
this, I'd sure like to hear from you before I spend a LOT of time
studying his manuals to see if I can deduce what the problem is.
With the master switch on, fuel pressures appear normal as shown on his
EIS and on a mechanical pressure indicator he has added. BUT when he
switches on the ignition switch, (engine not running) the EIS shows
increasing fuel pressures up to over 200PSI, which is wrong since the
mechanical meter still shows the 31PSI or so that the EIS was showing
before the ignition switch was placed to "on." The engine starts and
runs normally. Also indications are abnormal with the fuel pump selector
placed in the 'auto' position when the EIS voltmeter indication shows an
increase to 19.5-volts while an analog voltmeter shows a rather normal
14.3-volts.
Really weird. I am going to spend the afternoon studying the rather
involved and complex (and sometimes missing) data in his three LARGE
three-ring binders to see if I can explain his symptoms.
Any assistance would be appreciated.
John
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| Subject: | Catto 3-blade propeller torque |
I can't find the proper torque value for my Catto 3-blade propeller.
|3-Bladed Wood/Glass Composite
|Propeller for RV-8
|66" Diameter x 76" Pitch
|0-360 180HP@2700RPM
|Top Speed at Target RPM-212mph@2800rpm
|4.375" Finished Propeller Thickness
|7" Diameter Prop Flange |SAE-2 Pattern, 1/2" Bolts and |3/4" Lugs
Does anyone have it?
I will email Catto if no one has it. But as he is building props rather
than sitting in front of a computer I am hoping for a quicker response from
the list.
Regards,
Vince H.
Moscow, ID
RV8 - VSB (finish)
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| Subject: | Re: Eggenfelner FWF Probelm - Help! |
John, sounds like the fuel pressure sensor wiring might not be correct. It
appears to me that when you turn on the ignition somehow more current is
flowing in the circuit than the system expects and this is read as more
pressure from the sensor. Check the wiring between the fuel pressure
sensor and the EIS.
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Fasching" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 1:45 PM
Subject: RV-List: Eggenfelner FWF Probelm - Help!
>
> A friend is about done with an Eggenflener FWF pacakge in his RV7A and has
> asked me to look into a problem with the electronic/electrical system.
>
> Here's what is being observed, and if anyone has seen anything like this,
> I'd sure like to hear from you before I spend a LOT of time studying his
> manuals to see if I can deduce what the problem is.
>
> With the master switch on, fuel pressures appear normal as shown on his
> EIS and on a mechanical pressure indicator he has added. BUT when he
> switches on the ignition switch, (engine not running) the EIS shows
> increasing fuel pressures up to over 200PSI, which is wrong since the
> mechanical meter still shows the 31PSI or so that the EIS was showing
> before the ignition switch was placed to "on." The engine starts and runs
> normally. Also indications are abnormal with the fuel pump selector placed
> in the 'auto' position when the EIS voltmeter indication shows an increase
> to 19.5-volts while an analog voltmeter shows a rather normal 14.3-volts.
>
> Really weird. I am going to spend the afternoon studying the rather
> involved and complex (and sometimes missing) data in his three LARGE
> three-ring binders to see if I can explain his symptoms.
>
> Any assistance would be appreciated.
>
> John
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Eggenfelner FWF Probelm - Help! |
John, first I would suspect a poor ground from the engine to the
airframe. Next best guess is a poor ground somewhere else in the
system. So, the bill totals to 2 pennies, one for each SWAG :-D .
Linn
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John Fasching wrote:
>
> A friend is about done with an Eggenflener FWF pacakge in his RV7A and
> has asked me to look into a problem with the electronic/electrical
> system.
>
> Here's what is being observed, and if anyone has seen anything like
> this, I'd sure like to hear from you before I spend a LOT of time
> studying his manuals to see if I can deduce what the problem is.
>
> With the master switch on, fuel pressures appear normal as shown on
> his EIS and on a mechanical pressure indicator he has added. BUT when
> he switches on the ignition switch, (engine not running) the EIS
> shows increasing fuel pressures up to over 200PSI, which is wrong
> since the mechanical meter still shows the 31PSI or so that the EIS
> was showing before the ignition switch was placed to "on." The engine
> starts and runs normally. Also indications are abnormal with the fuel
> pump selector placed in the 'auto' position when the EIS voltmeter
> indication shows an increase to 19.5-volts while an analog voltmeter
> shows a rather normal 14.3-volts.
>
> Really weird. I am going to spend the afternoon studying the rather
> involved and complex (and sometimes missing) data in his three LARGE
> three-ring binders to see if I can explain his symptoms.
>
> Any assistance would be appreciated.
>
> John
>
>
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| Subject: | Catto Propellor Delivery experience |
Catto Propeller:
|3-Bladed Wood/Glass Composite
|Propeller for RV-8
|66" Diameter x 76" Pitch
|0-360 180HP@2700RPM
|Top Speed at Target RPM-212mph@2800rpm
|4.375" Finished Propeller Thickness
|7" Diameter Prop Flange |SAE-2 Pattern, 1/2" Bolts and |3/4" Lugs
Delivery Info:
Prop ordered: 8apr2006 via paypal
Prop Delivered: 17feb2007
Initial delivery estimate from Catto: at least 6 months out
Initial delivery estimate gleaned from RV list archive search: 8 - 12 months
Actual delivery: @10 months
Communications: (electronic mail, I never phoned)
Initial "I want it!" - great
"Are we there yet emails" before estimated delivery - not so great
"Are we there yet emails" after estimated delivery but before actual
delivery- ok
Follow up question regarding paint used on prop after delivery - great
My Opinion:
I am satisfied as I ordered early and I was not overly burdened by
unrealistic expectations as to when I would get an extremely popular custom
made propeller from essentially a one man operation.
Regards,
Vince H.
RV8 - VSB Finish
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| Subject: | Re: Eggenfelner FWF Probelm - Help! |
Another thing you might check John, is the proximity of the fuel pressure
sensor lead to any 'fat' wires. I had a similar experience with my CHT & EGT
because the sensor wires were too close to the large wire from the battery .
The sensor wires need to be a minimum of 2 inches away from the magnetic
field given off the high current wires.
Dale Ensing
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Eggenfelner FWF Probelm - Help!
>
> John, sounds like the fuel pressure sensor wiring might not be correct.
> It appears to me that when you turn on the ignition somehow more current
> is flowing in the circuit than the system expects and this is read as more
> pressure from the sensor. Check the wiring between the fuel pressure
> sensor and the EIS.
>
> Ed
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Fasching" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 1:45 PM
> Subject: RV-List: Eggenfelner FWF Probelm - Help!
>
>
>>
>> A friend is about done with an Eggenflener FWF pacakge in his RV7A and
>> has asked me to look into a problem with the electronic/electrical
>> system.
>>
>> Here's what is being observed, and if anyone has seen anything like this,
>> I'd sure like to hear from you before I spend a LOT of time studying his
>> manuals to see if I can deduce what the problem is.
>>
>> With the master switch on, fuel pressures appear normal as shown on his
>> EIS and on a mechanical pressure indicator he has added. BUT when he
>> switches on the ignition switch, (engine not running) the EIS shows
>> increasing fuel pressures up to over 200PSI, which is wrong since the
>> mechanical meter still shows the 31PSI or so that the EIS was showing
>> before the ignition switch was placed to "on." The engine starts and runs
>> normally. Also indications are abnormal with the fuel pump selector
>> placed in the 'auto' position when the EIS voltmeter indication shows an
>> increase to 19.5-volts while an analog voltmeter shows a rather normal
>> 14.3-volts.
>>
>> Really weird. I am going to spend the afternoon studying the rather
>> involved and complex (and sometimes missing) data in his three LARGE
>> three-ring binders to see if I can explain his symptoms.
>>
>> Any assistance would be appreciated.
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Catto 3-blade propeller torque |
Its stamped on the prop
-----Original Message-----
From: "Vince-Himsl" <vhimsl@adelphia.net>
Sent: 5/25/07 1:04 PM
Subject: RV-List: Catto 3-blade propeller torque
I can't find the proper torque value for my Catto 3-blade propeller.
|3-Bladed Wood/Glass Composite
|Propeller for RV-8
|66" Diameter x 76" Pitch
|0-360 180HP@2700RPM
|Top Speed at Target RPM-212mph@2800rpm
|4.375" Finished Propeller Thickness
|7" Diameter Prop Flange |SAE-2 Pattern, 1/2" Bolts and |3/4" Lugs
Does anyone have it?
I will email Catto if no one has it. But as he is building props rather
than sitting in front of a computer I am hoping for a quicker response from
the list.
Regards,
Vince H.
Moscow, ID
RV8 - VSB (finish)
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| Subject: | Re: Catto 3-blade propeller torque |
45 ft lbs but let me verify on the crush plate.
Ron Lee
----- Original Message -----
From: Vince-Himsl
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 12:04 PM
Subject: RV-List: Catto 3-blade propeller torque
I can't find the proper torque value for my Catto 3-blade propeller.
|3-Bladed Wood/Glass Composite
|Propeller for RV-8
|66" Diameter x 76" Pitch
|0-360 180HP@2700RPM
|Top Speed at Target RPM-212mph@2800rpm
|4.375" Finished Propeller Thickness
|7" Diameter Prop Flange |SAE-2 Pattern, 1/2" Bolts and |3/4" Lugs
Does anyone have it?
I will email Catto if no one has it. But as he is building props
rather than sitting in front of a computer I am hoping for a quicker
response from the list.
Regards,
Vince H.
Moscow, ID
RV8 - VSB (finish)
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| Subject: | Re: Catto 3-blade propeller torque |
My catto has an information decal on the hub between two of the blades
and the torque is listed there. I am not where I can check it to give
the value to you.
Jerry Calvert
RV-6
Edmond Ok
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Lee
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Catto 3-blade propeller torque
45 ft lbs but let me verify on the crush plate.
Ron Lee
----- Original Message -----
From: Vince-Himsl
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 12:04 PM
Subject: RV-List: Catto 3-blade propeller torque
I can't find the proper torque value for my Catto 3-blade propeller.
|3-Bladed Wood/Glass Composite
|Propeller for RV-8
|66" Diameter x 76" Pitch
|0-360 180HP@2700RPM
|Top Speed at Target RPM-212mph@2800rpm
|4.375" Finished Propeller Thickness
|7" Diameter Prop Flange |SAE-2 Pattern, 1/2" Bolts and |3/4" Lugs
Does anyone have it?
I will email Catto if no one has it. But as he is building props
rather than sitting in front of a computer I am hoping for a quicker
response from the list.
Regards,
Vince H.
Moscow, ID
RV8 - VSB (finish)
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.
com/Navigator?RV-List
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| Subject: | Catto 3-blade propeller torque |
Duh...Brain frt! I knew I saw it somewhere but the spinner covers
everything.
Thanks Guys
Vince H.
RV8 - Finish
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Spprtypilot
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 1:19 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Catto 3-blade propeller torque
Its stamped on the prop
-----Original Message-----
From: "Vince-Himsl" <vhimsl@adelphia.net>
Sent: 5/25/07 1:04 PM
Subject: RV-List: Catto 3-blade propeller torque
I can't find the proper torque value for my Catto 3-blade propeller.
|3-Bladed Wood/Glass Composite
|Propeller for RV-8
|66" Diameter x 76" Pitch
|0-360 180HP@2700RPM
|Top Speed at Target RPM-212mph@2800rpm
|4.375" Finished Propeller Thickness
|7" Diameter Prop Flange |SAE-2 Pattern, 1/2" Bolts and |3/4" Lugs
Does anyone have it?
I will email Catto if no one has it. But as he is building props rather
than sitting in front of a computer I am hoping for a quicker response from
the list.
Regards,
Vince H.
Moscow, ID
RV8 - VSB (finish)
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I don't think I'm gonna touch this one!!' Not from someone that lives in
Possum Corner.
Marty
Subject: Re: skin dents
From: Fiveonepw@aol.com
In a message dated 5/24/2007 8:17:10 AM Central Daylight Time,
smithhb@tds.net writes:
I thought you gave up hammering rivets with a brick long ago...;)
Nah, the "brick" is one of my favorites, along with my "chunky" and "woodle
bar"...
8-)
Mark do not archive
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| Subject: | Builder's Bookstore Bargain Basement |
Hi Andy,
I could not find the RV 7 Wing VHS on your site and would like to buy it.
Also, is there one for the RV 7 fuselage? If you can send me the link or
how to order these, I will get an order to you. Thank Carl
Carl W Bell
New Venture Consulting
Mobile: 803.640.2760
<http://www.newventureconsulting.com> www.newventureconsulting.com
carlbell@gforcecable.com
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[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andy Gold
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 11:42 AM
Subject: RV-List: Builder's Bookstore Bargain Basement
We've got some items that were lost by UPS, finally returned, but got a
little banged up in the process. They are perfectly good books except that
the covers are just scuffed enough that we'd probably get less than happy
thoughts if I shipped them as new. So, lets just get rid of them cheap.
So either you can buy these at the discounted prices shown below, or pick
one FREE with any other order over $100 from Builders Bookstore. Please
either order by phone or e-mail, or mention this sale if ordering on-line.
This is a temporary offer good only as long as these items remain.
SPEED WITH ECONOMY
Kent Paser's excellent book on drag reduction techniques tried on his
Mustang-II. 99% applicable to our RVs.
http://www.actechbooks.com/speed_with_economy.htm
Regular $24.95 seven available for $15.00
COMPOSITE BASICS
by Andrew Marshall. Not really a necessary topic for RV building, but still
an excellent book specifically for kit and plans built aircraft focusing on
designing composite parts with the necessary strength for various
applications. http://www.actechbooks.com/composite_basics.htm
Regular $29.95 18 available for $15.00
And 2 other closeout items that we just no longer carry:
GEORGE ORNDORF RV CONSTRUCTION VIDEOS
RV-6 Fuselage - VHS $20.00 1 left
RV-9 Empennage - VHS $20.00 2 left
RV-8 Fuselage - VHS $20.00 2 left
RV-7/8 Wings - VHS $20.00 2 left
RV - 8 Finishing Kit - VHS $20.00 3 left
FLIGHT GUIDE - by Airguide Inc
cockpit reference book showing airport diagrams, frequencies, etc. Include
a free update from publisher
Central States $20.00 5 left
Eastern States $20.00 5 left
Thanks,
Andy
Builders Bookstore
www.buildersbooks.com
800 780-4115
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| Subject: | Re: Catto 3-blade propeller torque |
I verifed the 45 ft lbs on my catto three blade prop, mfg June 2006
an hour ago. Info on the prop hub.
Ron Lee
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Lee
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 2:48 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Catto 3-blade propeller torque
45 ft lbs but let me verify on the crush plate.
Ron Lee
----- Original Message -----
From: Vince-Himsl
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 12:04 PM
Subject: RV-List: Catto 3-blade propeller torque
I can't find the proper torque value for my Catto 3-blade propeller.
|3-Bladed Wood/Glass Composite
|Propeller for RV-8
|66" Diameter x 76" Pitch
|0-360 180HP@2700RPM
|Top Speed at Target RPM-212mph@2800rpm
|4.375" Finished Propeller Thickness
|7" Diameter Prop Flange |SAE-2 Pattern, 1/2" Bolts and |3/4" Lugs
Does anyone have it?
I will email Catto if no one has it. But as he is building props
rather than sitting in front of a computer I am hoping for a quicker
response from the list.
Regards,
Vince H.
Moscow, ID
RV8 - VSB (finish)
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.
com/Navigator?RV-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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I am following the plans for mounting the spinner. Is the general consensus
that these instructions are sufficient to prevent spinner wobble?
Thanks!
Vince H.
RV8 Finish
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I believe so. The cut on the back of my cone was extremely accurate. If you
have access to a pottery table (or similar rotating set up) it would be easy
to verify.
Dale
RV6a
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[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vince-Himsl
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 1:37 AM
Subject: RV-List: Spinner wobble
I am following the plans for mounting the spinner. Is the general consensus
that these instructions are sufficient to prevent spinner wobble?
Thanks!
Vince H.
RV8 Finish
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Just installed mine today and checked the wobble by using a
reference point at the tip of the spinner and turning the engine over by
hand.Did not any adjustment at the front=85
Regards
Karl Ahamer
7A
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[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vince-Himsl
Sent: Saturday, 26 May 2007 3:37 PM
Subject: RV-List: Spinner wobble
I am following the plans for mounting the spinner. Is the general
consensus that these instructions are sufficient to prevent spinner
wobble?
Thanks!
Vince H.
RV8 Finish
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