---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 05/25/07: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 10:46 AM - Eggenfelner FWF Probelm - Help! (John Fasching) 2. 11:05 AM - Catto 3-blade propeller torque (Vince-Himsl) 3. 11:09 AM - Re: Eggenfelner FWF Probelm - Help! (Ed Anderson) 4. 12:23 PM - Re: Eggenfelner FWF Probelm - Help! (linn Walters) 5. 12:25 PM - Catto Propellor Delivery experience (Vince-Himsl) 6. 01:06 PM - Re: Eggenfelner FWF Probelm - Help! (Dale Ensing) 7. 01:23 PM - Re: Catto 3-blade propeller torque (Spprtypilot) 8. 01:52 PM - Re: Catto 3-blade propeller torque (Ron Lee) 9. 03:26 PM - Re: Catto 3-blade propeller torque (Jerry Calvert) 10. 03:34 PM - Re: Catto 3-blade propeller torque (Vince-Himsl) 11. 04:03 PM - Re: skin dents (Emrath) 12. 06:42 PM - Re: Builder's Bookstore Bargain Basement (Carl Bell) 13. 07:11 PM - Re: Catto 3-blade propeller torque (Ron Lee) 14. 10:38 PM - Spinner wobble (Vince-Himsl) 15. 11:44 PM - Re: Spinner wobble (Dale Walter) 16. 11:56 PM - Re: Spinner wobble (Karl Ahamer) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 10:46:44 AM PST US From: John Fasching Subject: RV-List: Eggenfelner FWF Probelm - Help! A friend is about done with an Eggenflener FWF pacakge in his RV7A and has asked me to look into a problem with the electronic/electrical system. Here's what is being observed, and if anyone has seen anything like this, I'd sure like to hear from you before I spend a LOT of time studying his manuals to see if I can deduce what the problem is. With the master switch on, fuel pressures appear normal as shown on his EIS and on a mechanical pressure indicator he has added. BUT when he switches on the ignition switch, (engine not running) the EIS shows increasing fuel pressures up to over 200PSI, which is wrong since the mechanical meter still shows the 31PSI or so that the EIS was showing before the ignition switch was placed to "on." The engine starts and runs normally. Also indications are abnormal with the fuel pump selector placed in the 'auto' position when the EIS voltmeter indication shows an increase to 19.5-volts while an analog voltmeter shows a rather normal 14.3-volts. Really weird. I am going to spend the afternoon studying the rather involved and complex (and sometimes missing) data in his three LARGE three-ring binders to see if I can explain his symptoms. Any assistance would be appreciated. John ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 11:05:12 AM PST US From: "Vince-Himsl" Subject: RV-List: Catto 3-blade propeller torque I can't find the proper torque value for my Catto 3-blade propeller. |3-Bladed Wood/Glass Composite |Propeller for RV-8 |66" Diameter x 76" Pitch |0-360 180HP@2700RPM |Top Speed at Target RPM-212mph@2800rpm |4.375" Finished Propeller Thickness |7" Diameter Prop Flange |SAE-2 Pattern, 1/2" Bolts and |3/4" Lugs Does anyone have it? I will email Catto if no one has it. But as he is building props rather than sitting in front of a computer I am hoping for a quicker response from the list. Regards, Vince H. Moscow, ID RV8 - VSB (finish) ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:09:10 AM PST US From: "Ed Anderson" Subject: Re: RV-List: Eggenfelner FWF Probelm - Help! John, sounds like the fuel pressure sensor wiring might not be correct. It appears to me that when you turn on the ignition somehow more current is flowing in the circuit than the system expects and this is read as more pressure from the sensor. Check the wiring between the fuel pressure sensor and the EIS. Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Fasching" Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 1:45 PM Subject: RV-List: Eggenfelner FWF Probelm - Help! > > A friend is about done with an Eggenflener FWF pacakge in his RV7A and has > asked me to look into a problem with the electronic/electrical system. > > Here's what is being observed, and if anyone has seen anything like this, > I'd sure like to hear from you before I spend a LOT of time studying his > manuals to see if I can deduce what the problem is. > > With the master switch on, fuel pressures appear normal as shown on his > EIS and on a mechanical pressure indicator he has added. BUT when he > switches on the ignition switch, (engine not running) the EIS shows > increasing fuel pressures up to over 200PSI, which is wrong since the > mechanical meter still shows the 31PSI or so that the EIS was showing > before the ignition switch was placed to "on." The engine starts and runs > normally. Also indications are abnormal with the fuel pump selector placed > in the 'auto' position when the EIS voltmeter indication shows an increase > to 19.5-volts while an analog voltmeter shows a rather normal 14.3-volts. > > Really weird. I am going to spend the afternoon studying the rather > involved and complex (and sometimes missing) data in his three LARGE > three-ring binders to see if I can explain his symptoms. > > Any assistance would be appreciated. > > John > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:23:57 PM PST US From: linn Walters Subject: Re: RV-List: Eggenfelner FWF Probelm - Help! John, first I would suspect a poor ground from the engine to the airframe. Next best guess is a poor ground somewhere else in the system. So, the bill totals to 2 pennies, one for each SWAG :-D . Linn do not archive John Fasching wrote: > > A friend is about done with an Eggenflener FWF pacakge in his RV7A and > has asked me to look into a problem with the electronic/electrical > system. > > Here's what is being observed, and if anyone has seen anything like > this, I'd sure like to hear from you before I spend a LOT of time > studying his manuals to see if I can deduce what the problem is. > > With the master switch on, fuel pressures appear normal as shown on > his EIS and on a mechanical pressure indicator he has added. BUT when > he switches on the ignition switch, (engine not running) the EIS > shows increasing fuel pressures up to over 200PSI, which is wrong > since the mechanical meter still shows the 31PSI or so that the EIS > was showing before the ignition switch was placed to "on." The engine > starts and runs normally. Also indications are abnormal with the fuel > pump selector placed in the 'auto' position when the EIS voltmeter > indication shows an increase to 19.5-volts while an analog voltmeter > shows a rather normal 14.3-volts. > > Really weird. I am going to spend the afternoon studying the rather > involved and complex (and sometimes missing) data in his three LARGE > three-ring binders to see if I can explain his symptoms. > > Any assistance would be appreciated. > > John > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:25:39 PM PST US From: "Vince-Himsl" Subject: RV-List: Catto Propellor Delivery experience Catto Propeller: |3-Bladed Wood/Glass Composite |Propeller for RV-8 |66" Diameter x 76" Pitch |0-360 180HP@2700RPM |Top Speed at Target RPM-212mph@2800rpm |4.375" Finished Propeller Thickness |7" Diameter Prop Flange |SAE-2 Pattern, 1/2" Bolts and |3/4" Lugs Delivery Info: Prop ordered: 8apr2006 via paypal Prop Delivered: 17feb2007 Initial delivery estimate from Catto: at least 6 months out Initial delivery estimate gleaned from RV list archive search: 8 - 12 months Actual delivery: @10 months Communications: (electronic mail, I never phoned) Initial "I want it!" - great "Are we there yet emails" before estimated delivery - not so great "Are we there yet emails" after estimated delivery but before actual delivery- ok Follow up question regarding paint used on prop after delivery - great My Opinion: I am satisfied as I ordered early and I was not overly burdened by unrealistic expectations as to when I would get an extremely popular custom made propeller from essentially a one man operation. Regards, Vince H. RV8 - VSB Finish ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:06:34 PM PST US From: "Dale Ensing" Subject: Re: RV-List: Eggenfelner FWF Probelm - Help! Another thing you might check John, is the proximity of the fuel pressure sensor lead to any 'fat' wires. I had a similar experience with my CHT & EGT because the sensor wires were too close to the large wire from the battery . The sensor wires need to be a minimum of 2 inches away from the magnetic field given off the high current wires. Dale Ensing ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Anderson" Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 2:10 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Eggenfelner FWF Probelm - Help! > > John, sounds like the fuel pressure sensor wiring might not be correct. > It appears to me that when you turn on the ignition somehow more current > is flowing in the circuit than the system expects and this is read as more > pressure from the sensor. Check the wiring between the fuel pressure > sensor and the EIS. > > Ed > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Fasching" > To: > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 1:45 PM > Subject: RV-List: Eggenfelner FWF Probelm - Help! > > >> >> A friend is about done with an Eggenflener FWF pacakge in his RV7A and >> has asked me to look into a problem with the electronic/electrical >> system. >> >> Here's what is being observed, and if anyone has seen anything like this, >> I'd sure like to hear from you before I spend a LOT of time studying his >> manuals to see if I can deduce what the problem is. >> >> With the master switch on, fuel pressures appear normal as shown on his >> EIS and on a mechanical pressure indicator he has added. BUT when he >> switches on the ignition switch, (engine not running) the EIS shows >> increasing fuel pressures up to over 200PSI, which is wrong since the >> mechanical meter still shows the 31PSI or so that the EIS was showing >> before the ignition switch was placed to "on." The engine starts and runs >> normally. Also indications are abnormal with the fuel pump selector >> placed in the 'auto' position when the EIS voltmeter indication shows an >> increase to 19.5-volts while an analog voltmeter shows a rather normal >> 14.3-volts. >> >> Really weird. I am going to spend the afternoon studying the rather >> involved and complex (and sometimes missing) data in his three LARGE >> three-ring binders to see if I can explain his symptoms. >> >> Any assistance would be appreciated. >> >> John >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:23:01 PM PST US From: Spprtypilot Subject: RE: RV-List: Catto 3-blade propeller torque Its stamped on the prop -----Original Message----- From: "Vince-Himsl" Sent: 5/25/07 1:04 PM Subject: RV-List: Catto 3-blade propeller torque I can't find the proper torque value for my Catto 3-blade propeller. |3-Bladed Wood/Glass Composite |Propeller for RV-8 |66" Diameter x 76" Pitch |0-360 180HP@2700RPM |Top Speed at Target RPM-212mph@2800rpm |4.375" Finished Propeller Thickness |7" Diameter Prop Flange |SAE-2 Pattern, 1/2" Bolts and |3/4" Lugs Does anyone have it? I will email Catto if no one has it. But as he is building props rather than sitting in front of a computer I am hoping for a quicker response from the list. Regards, Vince H. Moscow, ID RV8 - VSB (finish) ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:52:27 PM PST US From: "Ron Lee" Subject: Re: RV-List: Catto 3-blade propeller torque 45 ft lbs but let me verify on the crush plate. Ron Lee ----- Original Message ----- From: Vince-Himsl To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 12:04 PM Subject: RV-List: Catto 3-blade propeller torque I can't find the proper torque value for my Catto 3-blade propeller. |3-Bladed Wood/Glass Composite |Propeller for RV-8 |66" Diameter x 76" Pitch |0-360 180HP@2700RPM |Top Speed at Target RPM-212mph@2800rpm |4.375" Finished Propeller Thickness |7" Diameter Prop Flange |SAE-2 Pattern, 1/2" Bolts and |3/4" Lugs Does anyone have it? I will email Catto if no one has it. But as he is building props rather than sitting in front of a computer I am hoping for a quicker response from the list. Regards, Vince H. Moscow, ID RV8 - VSB (finish) ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:26:37 PM PST US From: "Jerry Calvert" Subject: Re: RV-List: Catto 3-blade propeller torque My catto has an information decal on the hub between two of the blades and the torque is listed there. I am not where I can check it to give the value to you. Jerry Calvert RV-6 Edmond Ok ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Lee To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 3:48 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Catto 3-blade propeller torque 45 ft lbs but let me verify on the crush plate. Ron Lee ----- Original Message ----- From: Vince-Himsl To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 12:04 PM Subject: RV-List: Catto 3-blade propeller torque I can't find the proper torque value for my Catto 3-blade propeller. |3-Bladed Wood/Glass Composite |Propeller for RV-8 |66" Diameter x 76" Pitch |0-360 180HP@2700RPM |Top Speed at Target RPM-212mph@2800rpm |4.375" Finished Propeller Thickness |7" Diameter Prop Flange |SAE-2 Pattern, 1/2" Bolts and |3/4" Lugs Does anyone have it? I will email Catto if no one has it. But as he is building props rather than sitting in front of a computer I am hoping for a quicker response from the list. Regards, Vince H. Moscow, ID RV8 - VSB (finish) href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?RV-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:34:49 PM PST US From: "Vince-Himsl" Subject: RE: RV-List: Catto 3-blade propeller torque Duh...Brain frt! I knew I saw it somewhere but the spinner covers everything. Thanks Guys Vince H. RV8 - Finish -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Spprtypilot Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 1:19 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Catto 3-blade propeller torque Its stamped on the prop -----Original Message----- From: "Vince-Himsl" Sent: 5/25/07 1:04 PM Subject: RV-List: Catto 3-blade propeller torque I can't find the proper torque value for my Catto 3-blade propeller. |3-Bladed Wood/Glass Composite |Propeller for RV-8 |66" Diameter x 76" Pitch |0-360 180HP@2700RPM |Top Speed at Target RPM-212mph@2800rpm |4.375" Finished Propeller Thickness |7" Diameter Prop Flange |SAE-2 Pattern, 1/2" Bolts and |3/4" Lugs Does anyone have it? I will email Catto if no one has it. But as he is building props rather than sitting in front of a computer I am hoping for a quicker response from the list. Regards, Vince H. Moscow, ID RV8 - VSB (finish) ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:03:27 PM PST US From: "Emrath" Subject: RV-List: Re: skin dents I don't think I'm gonna touch this one!!' Not from someone that lives in Possum Corner. Marty Subject: Re: skin dents From: Fiveonepw@aol.com In a message dated 5/24/2007 8:17:10 AM Central Daylight Time, smithhb@tds.net writes: I thought you gave up hammering rivets with a brick long ago...;) Nah, the "brick" is one of my favorites, along with my "chunky" and "woodle bar"... 8-) Mark do not archive ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:42:40 PM PST US From: "Carl Bell" Subject: RE: RV-List: Builder's Bookstore Bargain Basement Hi Andy, I could not find the RV 7 Wing VHS on your site and would like to buy it. Also, is there one for the RV 7 fuselage? If you can send me the link or how to order these, I will get an order to you. Thank Carl Carl W Bell New Venture Consulting Mobile: 803.640.2760 www.newventureconsulting.com carlbell@gforcecable.com _____ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andy Gold Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 11:42 AM Subject: RV-List: Builder's Bookstore Bargain Basement We've got some items that were lost by UPS, finally returned, but got a little banged up in the process. They are perfectly good books except that the covers are just scuffed enough that we'd probably get less than happy thoughts if I shipped them as new. So, lets just get rid of them cheap. So either you can buy these at the discounted prices shown below, or pick one FREE with any other order over $100 from Builders Bookstore. Please either order by phone or e-mail, or mention this sale if ordering on-line. This is a temporary offer good only as long as these items remain. SPEED WITH ECONOMY Kent Paser's excellent book on drag reduction techniques tried on his Mustang-II. 99% applicable to our RVs. http://www.actechbooks.com/speed_with_economy.htm Regular $24.95 seven available for $15.00 COMPOSITE BASICS by Andrew Marshall. Not really a necessary topic for RV building, but still an excellent book specifically for kit and plans built aircraft focusing on designing composite parts with the necessary strength for various applications. http://www.actechbooks.com/composite_basics.htm Regular $29.95 18 available for $15.00 And 2 other closeout items that we just no longer carry: GEORGE ORNDORF RV CONSTRUCTION VIDEOS RV-6 Fuselage - VHS $20.00 1 left RV-9 Empennage - VHS $20.00 2 left RV-8 Fuselage - VHS $20.00 2 left RV-7/8 Wings - VHS $20.00 2 left RV - 8 Finishing Kit - VHS $20.00 3 left FLIGHT GUIDE - by Airguide Inc cockpit reference book showing airport diagrams, frequencies, etc. Include a free update from publisher Central States $20.00 5 left Eastern States $20.00 5 left Thanks, Andy Builders Bookstore www.buildersbooks.com 800 780-4115 do not archive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:11:48 PM PST US From: "Ron Lee" Subject: Re: RV-List: Catto 3-blade propeller torque I verifed the 45 ft lbs on my catto three blade prop, mfg June 2006 an hour ago. Info on the prop hub. Ron Lee ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Lee To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 2:48 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Catto 3-blade propeller torque 45 ft lbs but let me verify on the crush plate. Ron Lee ----- Original Message ----- From: Vince-Himsl To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 12:04 PM Subject: RV-List: Catto 3-blade propeller torque I can't find the proper torque value for my Catto 3-blade propeller. |3-Bladed Wood/Glass Composite |Propeller for RV-8 |66" Diameter x 76" Pitch |0-360 180HP@2700RPM |Top Speed at Target RPM-212mph@2800rpm |4.375" Finished Propeller Thickness |7" Diameter Prop Flange |SAE-2 Pattern, 1/2" Bolts and |3/4" Lugs Does anyone have it? I will email Catto if no one has it. But as he is building props rather than sitting in front of a computer I am hoping for a quicker response from the list. Regards, Vince H. Moscow, ID RV8 - VSB (finish) href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?RV-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:38:35 PM PST US From: "Vince-Himsl" Subject: RV-List: Spinner wobble I am following the plans for mounting the spinner. Is the general consensus that these instructions are sufficient to prevent spinner wobble? Thanks! Vince H. RV8 Finish ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:44:15 PM PST US From: "Dale Walter" Subject: RE: RV-List: Spinner wobble I believe so. The cut on the back of my cone was extremely accurate. If you have access to a pottery table (or similar rotating set up) it would be easy to verify. Dale RV6a _____ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vince-Himsl Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 1:37 AM Subject: RV-List: Spinner wobble I am following the plans for mounting the spinner. Is the general consensus that these instructions are sufficient to prevent spinner wobble? Thanks! Vince H. RV8 Finish ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:56:16 PM PST US From: "Karl Ahamer" Subject: RE: RV-List: Spinner wobble Just installed mine today and checked the wobble by using a reference point at the tip of the spinner and turning the engine over by hand.Did not any adjustment at the front=85 Regards Karl Ahamer 7A -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vince-Himsl Sent: Saturday, 26 May 2007 3:37 PM Subject: RV-List: Spinner wobble I am following the plans for mounting the spinner. Is the general consensus that these instructions are sufficient to prevent spinner wobble? Thanks! Vince H. 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