---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 06/04/07: 38 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:46 AM - Re: Garmin 196 help (Doug Gray) 2. 07:12 AM - Re: Garmin 196 help (Lloyd, Daniel R.) 3. 08:21 AM - Re: Garmin 196 help (Bob J.) 4. 08:35 AM - Pitot/Static Check of EFIS (Snow, Daniel A.) 5. 08:59 AM - Re: Pitot/Static Check of EFIS (Jeff Point) 6. 09:49 AM - Rocky Mountain route: Noob question (Bill Boyd) 7. 10:10 AM - Breather run into exhaust (mbick) 8. 10:16 AM - Re: Pitot/Static Check of EFIS (Sam Buchanan) 9. 10:24 AM - Re: Breather run into exhaust (Konrad L. Werner) 10. 10:38 AM - Re: Rocky Mountain route: Noob question (David E. Nelson) 11. 12:02 PM - Re: Pitot/Static Check of EFIS (DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com) 12. 12:02 PM - Re: Rocky Mountain route: Noob question (Ron Lee) 13. 12:11 PM - Capacitive Fuel Sending units (Carl Bell) 14. 12:20 PM - Re: Breather run into exhaust (Bob) 15. 12:43 PM - Re: Breather run into exhaust (Brian Kraut) 16. 03:06 PM - Re: Breather run into exhaust (n801bh@netzero.com) 17. 03:23 PM - Re: Rocky Mountain route: Noob question (n801bh@netzero.com) 18. 03:35 PM - Re: Rocky Mountain route: Noob question (rtitsworth) 19. 03:55 PM - GPS Recommendation (Ken Arnold) 20. 03:57 PM - Re: Capacitive Fuel Sending units (Frank Stringham) 21. 04:09 PM - Re: Breather run into exhaust (Timothy E. Cone) 22. 04:15 PM - Re: GPS Recommendation (Timothy E. Cone) 23. 04:24 PM - Re: Breather run into exhaust (Jeff Dowling) 24. 04:29 PM - Re: GPS Recommendation (Kyle Boatright) 25. 04:37 PM - Re: GPS Recommendation (Terry Watson) 26. 04:52 PM - Re: GPS Recommendation (Sam Buchanan) 27. 05:19 PM - Re: Rocky Mountain route: Noob question (Ron Lee) 28. 05:33 PM - Re: Breather run into exhaust (Oldsfolks@aol.com) 29. 06:28 PM - Re: Rocky Mountain route: Noob question (mark phipps) 30. 06:34 PM - Re: Breather run into exhaust (Joe Garner) 31. 06:45 PM - Re: Capacitive Fuel Sending units (David Burnham) 32. 06:54 PM - Re: GPS Recommendation (Jeff Orear) 33. 06:57 PM - Re: Rocky Mountain route: Noob question (Ron Lee) 34. 08:14 PM - Re: Capacitive Fuel Sending units (Bobby Hester) 35. 08:30 PM - Re: Breather run into exhaust (PittsS1@aol.com) 36. 09:10 PM - Re: GPS Recommendation (Sam Buchanan) 37. 09:23 PM - Re: Breather run into exhaust (sportypilot) 38. 09:29 PM - Re: Breather run into exhaust (PittsS1@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:46:19 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Garmin 196 help From: Doug Gray So then what is the arrow pointing to? A township rather than the airport? Doug On Sun, 2007-06-03 at 17:44 -0500, Chopper wrote: > Andy, That was the one thing I missed when going from the 90 to the > 196 and then 296... The arrow does not function the same. I always > liked doing an NDB approach with the 90. You'll get used to not having > it and enjoy the 196 before long. Mike > Do Not Archive > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Andy Gold > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 5:24 PM > Subject: Re: RV-List: Garmin 196 help > > > It's showing that I'm left or right of what the direct course > would have been, either because I detoured around terrain or > because the RV is just so much fun to fly that we'll play > around a bit on the way to where we're going. > > But that shouldn't matter. At least it didn't with the Garmin > 90. I know this may be heresy to some, but I don't really > care where I am relative to what the straight line course > would have been. I only care where my destination is relative > to where I'm at now. I'd like to trust that when the GPS is > locked into an official airport identifier that that's where > its going to point to. > > I can always beg forgiveness from the chief pilot (my wife) > or the accountant (my wife) later for burning too much fuel or > spending to much time flying. > > Stein says just fly with the map page instead. That may well > be what I have to do, but I'll miss the simplicity of just > following the little arrow. > > Andy > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Larry Bowen > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 2:58 PM > Subject: Re: RV-List: Garmin 196 help > > > You can "follow" the arrow and still be left/right of > course. Are the top middle and bottom of the arrow > all aligned? Or is the center section of the arrow > off to the left (for example) -- showing you are right > of the direct course? > > -- > Larry Bowen > Larry@BowenAero.com > http://BowenAero.com > > On 6/3/07, SteinAir, Inc. wrote: > Hi Andy, > > I'm not really sure which "arrow" you're > referring to? is it the HSI/DG page? > > I've been using my old 196 for years and it's > been super accurate the whole time (even > driving my autopilot). > > The other question is why don't you use the > map page? If you put in a "Direct To" to > where you're going you just follow the > line....no "arrow" to worry about?!?! > > Cheers, > Stein. > -----Original Message----- > From: > owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Andy Gold > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 2:31 PM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: Garmin 196 help > > > I just installed a Garmin 196 in place > of my old Garmin 90. I liked the 90. > It did everything I wanted it to do > perfectly and simply for day VFR > navigation. Just enter where you want > to go and follow the arrow and it > always took me right over the center > of the destination airport. (I never > used the map page) The only reason I > gave it up was because the database > was 5-6 years old and I couldn't get > an update. > > So, I bought a 196. With all the > raving about it here and on other web > sites, I looked forward to seeing how > great it really was. (for what I use > it for I couldn't imagine how it could > be any better, but at least its > updated with the new maps and AFDs) > > Bottom line is the 196 has a really > bad quirk that I don't like at all, > enough that if I can't find a solution > I'm going to pull it out and reinstall > the relic 90. Following the arrow to a > destination works great from a > distance, but when I get within about > 10-15 miles from the destination the > arrow starts to skew over one way or > the other. In other words the arrow > says that the destination is 30 > degrees over to the right, but I know > the airport is straight ahead over the > ridge. As I get closer, this > displacement gets worse and worse. If > I pass the airport the 196 does no > correct. It keeps telling me to go > straight or in the completely wrong > direction. If I pass the airport with > the 90, the arrow points to the tail, > tells me to turn around and then > guides you directly there, just like > it should. This was an issue flying > into Craig, CO a little while ago. I > was unfamiliar with the area, so I > trusted and followed the 196, right > past town with the Garmin telling me > to keep flying straight. I had to > climb a couple thousand feet for a > better view, circle around, and find > the airport the old fashioned way. > > My question is for others flying a > 196. Does yours do the same thing, or > does your heading indicator trustfully > point to your destination from > wherever you are and from whatever > direction your nose is pointed? Or, > do I have a bad unit? Or do I need to > somehow program out this glitch, or do > I not know what I'm doing and need > some dummy's book on how to use a GPS? > > Thanks, > Andy > > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List"> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com"> > http://forums.matronics.com > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List > http://forums.matronics.com > > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Date: 6/3/2007 12:47 PM > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:12:07 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: Garmin 196 help From: "Lloyd, Daniel R." The way to do what you are wanting to do is after you are done with your side trips is to hit the direct to button, it will update your course and give you the current course to where you are going. If you enter a flight plan, it will always have the original plan in there and will give you directions to intercept that course, so it is working as programmed, you are just having to much fun of course for it! Dan N289DT RV10E _____ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andy Gold Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 6:25 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Garmin 196 help It's showing that I'm left or right of what the direct course would have been, either because I detoured around terrain or because the RV is just so much fun to fly that we'll play around a bit on the way to where we're going. But that shouldn't matter. At least it didn't with the Garmin 90. I know this may be heresy to some, but I don't really care where I am relative to what the straight line course would have been. I only care where my destination is relative to where I'm at now. I'd like to trust that when the GPS is locked into an official airport identifier that that's where its going to point to. I can always beg forgiveness from the chief pilot (my wife) or the accountant (my wife) later for burning too much fuel or spending to much time flying. Stein says just fly with the map page instead. That may well be what I have to do, but I'll miss the simplicity of just following the little arrow. Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Bowen To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 2:58 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Garmin 196 help You can "follow" the arrow and still be left/right of course. Are the top middle and bottom of the arrow all aligned? Or is the center section of the arrow off to the left (for example) -- showing you are right of the direct course? -- Larry Bowen Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com On 6/3/07, SteinAir, Inc. wrote: Hi Andy, I'm not really sure which "arrow" you're referring to? is it the HSI/DG page? I've been using my old 196 for years and it's been super accurate the whole time (even driving my autopilot). The other question is why don't you use the map page? If you put in a "Direct To" to where you're going you just follow the line....no "arrow" to worry about?!?! Cheers, Stein. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Andy Gold Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 2:31 PM To: rv-list@matronics.com Subject: RV-List: Garmin 196 help I just installed a Garmin 196 in place of my old Garmin 90. I liked the 90. It did everything I wanted it to do perfectly and simply for day VFR navigation. Just enter where you want to go and follow the arrow and it always took me right over the center of the destination airport. (I never used the map page) The only reason I gave it up was because the database was 5-6 years old and I couldn't get an update. So, I bought a 196. With all the raving about it here and on other web sites, I looked forward to seeing how great it really was. (for what I use it for I couldn't imagine how it could be any better, but at least its updated with the new maps and AFDs) Bottom line is the 196 has a really bad quirk that I don't like at all, enough that if I can't find a solution I'm going to pull it out and reinstall the relic 90. Following the arrow to a destination works great from a distance, but when I get within about 10-15 miles from the destination the arrow starts to skew over one way or the other. In other words the arrow says that the destination is 30 degrees over to the right, but I know the airport is straight ahead over the ridge. As I get closer, this displacement gets worse and worse. If I pass the airport the 196 does no correct. It keeps telling me to go straight or in the completely wrong direction. If I pass the airport with the 90, the arrow points to the tail, tells me to turn around and then guides you directly there, just like it should. This was an issue flying into Craig, CO a little while ago. I was unfamiliar with the area, so I trusted and followed the 196, right past town with the Garmin telling me to keep flying straight. I had to climb a couple thousand feet for a better view, circle around, and find the airport the old fashioned way. My question is for others flying a 196. Does yours do the same thing, or does your heading indicator trustfully point to your destination from wherever you are and from whatever direction your nose is pointed? Or, do I have a bad unit? Or do I need to somehow program out this glitch, or do I not know what I'm doing and need some dummy's book on how to use a GPS? Thanks, Andy href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List"> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List href="http://forums.matronics.com"> http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics. c om/Navigator?RV-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:21:08 AM PST US From: "Bob J." Subject: Re: RV-List: Garmin 196 help I have my 196 set up to show Turn as one of the displayed fields on the map page, which is much more useful than the arrow. It will tell you exactly how much left or right to turn to stay on course. For normal flying I prefer the 196 over the 396, a transflective monochrome display is much easier to read in the bright cockpit of an RV. Less glare also. I'd love to see a monochrome version of the 396. Regards, Bob Japundza RV-6 flying F1 under const. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:35:24 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: Pitot/Static Check of EFIS From: "Snow, Daniel A." I just talked to the avionics shop in Huntsville, AL, and they want to remove my EFIS to perform the IFR checks. I would prefer that they bring the test equipment to the plane to minimize damage to the panel. Has anyone had good experiences with shops that performed tests at the plane? Any recommendations for a shop within a reasonable distance of Birmingham, AL? Thanks, Daniel Snow RV-9A, 43 Flight Hours ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:59:55 AM PST US From: Jeff Point Subject: Re: RV-List: Pitot/Static Check of EFIS If you are referring to an IFR pitot/ static test, then the unit should not be removed from the panel. The test is of the entire system, not just the EFIS, so must be made with the unit in the plane. I'm not local so I can't recommend anyone, but there are plenty of shops that will do your check at the airplane, and the price should be in the $200-250 range. Jeff Point RV-6 flying RV-8 building Milwaukee > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:49:44 AM PST US From: "Bill Boyd" Subject: RV-List: Rocky Mountain route: Noob question I'm part of the gaggle from the SouthEast RV group headed to Yellowstone this weekend. I have no mountain flying experience save what little you get living and flying in the Appalachians the past 15 years. I plan to return home to Virginia via the Grand Canyon and Albuquerque, Dodge City, KS, St. Loiuis, MO and eastbound from there. My question pertains mostly to getting from Cody to Flagstaff. This route looks promising, but I seek input from RVers who know this area: KCOD;KRIW;KRKS;U34;KHVE;KPGA. I'm not sure how easy the Green River is to fly down to get to U34, but if it's a decent pass, then the highest terrain I should see enroute looks to be 9500' in the vicinity of Rock Springs, WY. Leaving the Grand Canyon area via KPGA;KFMN;KABQ;KDDC looks like an effortless way out to the east. I have oxygen available, and a 160hp FP RV6A that I've never taken above 11500 MSL. Naturally, everything's weather dependent, but I'm hoping with 6 days allocated for getting home from KCOD that this leg will be as doable as getting to Cody is. If you're a local, or a veteran aviator in the _real_ mountains, please chime in, here or off-list. I want to play this smart and safe. I've done the AOPA online instructional course, seen the FAA movies on mountain flying, and "read the book," BTW. -Stormy ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:10:20 AM PST US From: "mbick" Subject: RV-List: Breather run into exhaust I was wondering if anyone ran their breather tube into the exhaust. I have seen this done more and more lately on aerobatic planes where the breather runs into exhaust. Granted they have some separation from direct crankcase breathing vie the inverted systems but vent none the less into the exhaust. Any thoughts? Thanks Mike ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:16:49 AM PST US From: Sam Buchanan Subject: Re: RV-List: Pitot/Static Check of EFIS Snow, Daniel A. wrote: > > I just talked to the avionics shop in Huntsville, AL, and they want to > remove my EFIS to perform the IFR checks. I would prefer that they > bring the test equipment to the plane to minimize damage to the panel. > Has anyone had good experiences with shops that performed tests at the > plane? Any recommendations for a shop within a reasonable distance of > Birmingham, AL? > > Thanks, > > Daniel Snow > RV-9A, 43 Flight Hours Daniel, I'm forwarding your inquiry to the TVRVBG email list with a request that one of the members reply to you with contact info for Steve Gray at Moontown Airport (3M5) just east Huntsville. He can do the pitot-static inspection and you can taxi your plane to his hangar. The check needs to be with equipment in the plane so the entire pitot system is involved in the certification. By the way, Moontown is an airport you *must* include on your favorite places list. Be sure to visit on the third Saturday for breakfast, its not unusual to have at least a dozen RVs fly in along with 30-40 other planes. Sam Buchanan http://thervjournal.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:24:36 AM PST US From: "Konrad L. Werner" Subject: Re: RV-List: Breather run into exhaust IF it is done correctly, then you create a vacuum in the crankcase which in turn reduces windage losses and therefore increases Horsepower. The exhaust system becomes your venturi to create the vacuum, while at the same time burning the oil vapor coming our of the breather. do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: mbick To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 11:09 AM Subject: RV-List: Breather run into exhaust I was wondering if anyone ran their breather tube into the exhaust. I have seen this done more and more lately on aerobatic planes where the breather runs into exhaust. Granted they have some separation from direct crankcase breathing vie the inverted systems but vent none the less into the exhaust. Any thoughts? Thanks Mike ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:38:18 AM PST US From: "David E. Nelson" Subject: Re: RV-List: Rocky Mountain route: Noob question Hi Stormy, ASF has a "Mountain Flying" course. http://flash.aopa.org/asf/mountainFlying/html/flash.cfm Of course, this is no substitute for hands-on training by qualified instructors. Regards, /\/elson Austin, TX RV-7A - Fuselage On Mon, 4 Jun 2007, Bill Boyd wrote: > I'm part of the gaggle from the SouthEast RV group headed to Yellowstone > this weekend. I have no mountain flying experience save what little you get > living and flying in the Appalachians the past 15 years. > > I plan to return home to Virginia via the Grand Canyon and Albuquerque, > Dodge City, KS, St. Loiuis, MO and eastbound from there. My question > pertains mostly to getting from Cody to Flagstaff. > > This route looks promising, but I seek input from RVers who know this area: > > KCOD;KRIW;KRKS;U34;KHVE;KPGA. > > I'm not sure how easy the Green River is to fly down to get to U34, but if > it's a decent pass, then the highest terrain I should see enroute looks to > be 9500' in the vicinity of Rock Springs, WY. > > Leaving the Grand Canyon area via KPGA;KFMN;KABQ;KDDC looks like an > effortless way out to the east. > > I have oxygen available, and a 160hp FP RV6A that I've never taken above > 11500 MSL. Naturally, everything's weather dependent, but I'm hoping with 6 > days allocated for getting home from KCOD that this leg will be as doable as > getting to Cody is. If you're a local, or a veteran aviator in the _real_ > mountains, please chime in, here or off-list. I want to play this smart and > safe. I've done the AOPA online instructional course, seen the FAA movies > on mountain flying, and "read the book," BTW. > > -Stormy > -- ~~ ** ~~ Research has shown that Mondays account for 1/7th of your time ~~ ** ~~ ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:02:37 PM PST US From: DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Pitot/Static Check of EFIS I HAVE HIM LISTED AS STEVE BROWN _sfbrown1@hiwaay.net_ (mailto:sfbrown1@hiwaay.net) 256-683-8240 PLEASE LET US KNOW IF HE IS STILL OPERATING AT MOONTOWN.....I NEED TO GET THE 10 DONE. REGARDS, DOUG ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:02:42 PM PST US From: "Ron Lee" Subject: Re: RV-List: Rocky Mountain route: Noob question Preliminary look is that it is low for an RV. I would plan on flying high using oxygen because in some areas the terrain is not conducive to an off-field landing. Will assess it more later. PS, 11,500' is my typical LOW flying altitude. >From ABQ you should be fine. Just get over the mountains east of ABQ. Ron Lee This route looks promising, but I seek input from RVers who know this area: KCOD;KRIW;KRKS;U34;KHVE;KPGA. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:11:25 PM PST US From: "Carl Bell" Subject: RV-List: Capacitive Fuel Sending units Tail is almost done and I need to order my wing kit this week and would love to get conventional wisdom or whether to order it with capacitive fuel sending units or float sending units. I will probable use a combo EMS i.e. Vision, GRT, Dynon etc. Any thoughts or experience would be appreciated. I am building an RV 7 with 180 and CS. Thanks Carl W Bell New Venture Consulting Mobile: 803.640.2760 www.newventureconsulting.com carlbell@gforcecable.com ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:20:22 PM PST US From: Bob Subject: Re: RV-List: Breather run into exhaust At 12:09 PM 6/4/07, you wrote: >I was wondering if anyone ran their breather tube into the exhaust. >I have seen this done more and more lately on aerobatic planes where >the breather runs into exhaust. Granted they have some separation >from direct crankcase breathing vie the inverted systems but vent >none the less into the exhaust. I fly mostly aerobatics in my RV with inverted oil system. I vent into exhaust and I never had any problems. Bob RV6 "Wicked Witch of the West" ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:43:35 PM PST US From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: RV-List: Breather run into exhaust I have a Sonerai with a breather run out the tail. The builder put a bulkhead fitting with hose barb ends in the firewall and ran a plastic tube all the way through the fusalage and has it coming out right over the tailwheel. You just plug the breather tube from the engine into the fitting on the firewall and the oily belly problem is gone forever. I really like the setup and will put it in on all my future planes. It is easy to do, effective, and adds very little cost or weight. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bob Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 4:16 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Breather run into exhaust At 12:09 PM 6/4/07, you wrote: >I was wondering if anyone ran their breather tube into the exhaust. >I have seen this done more and more lately on aerobatic planes where >the breather runs into exhaust. Granted they have some separation >from direct crankcase breathing vie the inverted systems but vent >none the less into the exhaust. I fly mostly aerobatics in my RV with inverted oil system. I vent into exhaust and I never had any problems. Bob RV6 "Wicked Witch of the West" ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:06:01 PM PST US From: "n801bh@netzero.com" Subject: Re: RV-List: Breather run into exhaust Mike, exhaust venting is the way to go for a clean belly. There are seve ral kits available to do this. Mr Gasket comes to mind and I use that on e, it comes with a steel check valve to prevent any blowback into the cr ankcase. The kit comes with two of them but I only use one in my applica tions so I have a spare. It's yours for the cost of freight, probably 5 bucks or so. Contact me at my web site if interested.. do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- "mbick" wrote: I was wondering if anyone ran their breather tube into the exhaust. I ha ve seen this done more and more lately on aerobatic planes where the bre ather runs into exhaust. Granted they have some separation from direct c rankcase breathing vie the inverted systems but vent none the less into the exhaust. Any thoughts? Thanks Mike ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== ====================

Mike, exhaust venting is the way to go for a clean belly. There are several kits available to do this. Mr Gasket comes to mind and I us e that one, it comes with a steel check valve to prevent any blowback in to the crankcase. The kit comes with two of them but I only use one in m y applications so I have a spare. It's yours for the cost of freight, pr obably 5 bucks or so.  Contact me at my web site if interested..

do not archive


Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair .com

-- "mbick" <mbick@carolina.rr.com> wrot e:

I was wondering if anyone ran their breathe r tube into the exhaust. I have seen this done more and more lately on a erobatic planes where the breather runs into exhaust. Granted they have some separation from direct crankcase breathing vie the inverted systems but vent none the less into the exhaust. Any thoughts?

 

Thanks

Mike

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________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:23:29 PM PST US From: "n801bh@netzero.com" Subject: Re: RV-List: Rocky Mountain route: Noob question Fly as much as you can in the early mornings, give yourself 1000+ over a ny ridgetops and enjoy the scenery. Weather for this weekend looks kinda iffy, that's if the front spinning in from the NW can knock down the pr esent high pressure we have sitting over us for the past two weeks. My b et is it will get deflected and you guys will have a great time. Fly saf ely. Ben Jackson Hole Wy Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- "Bill Boyd" wrote: I'm part of the gaggle from the SouthEast RV group headed to Yellowstone this weekend. I have no mountain flying experience save what little yo u get living and flying in the Appalachians the past 15 years. I plan to return home to Virginia via the Grand Canyon and Albuquerque, Dodge City, KS, St. Loiuis, MO and eastbound from there. My question pe rtains mostly to getting from Cody to Flagstaff. This route looks promising, but I seek input from RVers who know this ar ea: KCOD;KRIW;KRKS;U34;KHVE;KPGA. I'm not sure how easy the Green River is to fly down to get to U34, but if it's a decent pass, then the highest terrain I should see enroute loo ks to be 9500' in the vicinity of Rock Springs, WY. Leaving the Grand Canyon area via KPGA;KFMN;KABQ;KDDC looks like an effo rtless way out to the east. I have oxygen available, and a 160hp FP RV6A that I've never taken above 11500 MSL. Naturally, everything's weather dependent, but I'm hoping w ith 6 days allocated for getting home from KCOD that this leg will be as doable as getting to Cody is. If you're a local, or a veteran aviator in the _real_ mountains, please chime in, here or off-list. I want to p lay this smart and safe. I've done the AOPA online instructional course , seen the FAA movies on mountain flying, and "read the book," BTW. -Stormy ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== ====================

Fly as much as you can in the early mornings, give yourself 100 0+ over any ridgetops and enjoy the scenery. Weather for this weekend lo oks kinda iffy, that's if the front spinning in from the NW can knock do wn the present high pressure we have sitting over us for the past two we eks. My bet is it will get deflected and you guys will have a great time . Fly safely.

Ben

Jackson Hole Wy


Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerai r.com

-- "Bill Boyd" <sportav8r@gmail.com>&n bsp;wrote:
I'm part of the gaggle from the SouthEast RV group headed to Yellowstone this weekend.  I have no mountain flying experience save what little you get living and flying in the Appalachians the past 15 years.

I plan to return home to Virginia via the Grand Canyon and Albuquerque, Dodge City, KS, St. Loiuis, MO and eastbound from there .  My question pertains mostly to getting from Cody to Flagstaff. < BR>
This route looks promising, but I seek input from RVers who know this area:

KCOD;KRIW;KRKS;U34;KHVE;KPGA.

I'm not sure how easy the Green River is to fly down to get to U34, but if it's a decent pass, then the highest terrain I should see enroute looks to be 9500' in the vicinity of Rock Springs, WY.

Leaving the Grand Canyon area via KPGA;KFMN;KABQ;KDDC looks like an effortless way out to the east.
I have oxygen available, and a 160hp FP RV6A that I've never taken above 11500 MSL.  Naturally, everything's weather dependent, but I 'm hoping with 6 days allocated for getting home from KCOD that this leg will be as doable as getting to Cody is.  If you're a local, or a veteran aviator in the _real_ mountains, please chime in, here or off-li st.  I want to play this smart and safe.  I've done the AOPA o nline instructional course, seen the FAA movies on mountain flying, and "read the book," BTW.

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________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:35:11 PM PST US From: "rtitsworth" Subject: RE: RV-List: Rocky Mountain route: Noob question Do you have a G396. G496, or other XM weather system? The wx can change dramatically throughout the day out west (including wind/turbulence), and bailout airports are sometimes further apart and/or on the other side of adjacent terrain. Perhaps not a requirement, but certainly a "nice to have", especially when traversing long distances. _____ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Boyd Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 12:49 PM Subject: RV-List: Rocky Mountain route: Noob question I'm part of the gaggle from the SouthEast RV group headed to Yellowstone this weekend.. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:55:45 PM PST US From: "Ken Arnold" Subject: RV-List: GPS Recommendation Dear Listers, I am ready to order a GPS for my Zenith CH701. My dilemma is what to get. I have reduced the affordable units to three: - Garmin GPS 296 $1,495 - Lowrance 200C $999 - AvMap EKP-IVC $1,495 Your comments are appreciated. If you have flown with any, please indicate your experience. Regards, Ken Arnold N701LK 75% do not archive ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:57:56 PM PST US From: "Frank Stringham" Subject: RE: RV-List: Capacitive Fuel Sending units Carl I went capacitive....but would probably use float next time around..... Frank @ SGU RV7A "NDY" >From: "Carl Bell" >To: "Carl Bell" >Subject: RV-List: Capacitive Fuel Sending units >Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 15:10:41 -0400 > >Tail is almost done and I need to order my wing kit this week and would >love >to get conventional wisdom or whether to order it with capacitive fuel >sending units or float sending units. I will probable use a combo EMS i.e. >Vision, GRT, Dynon etc. Any thoughts or experience would be appreciated. I >am building an RV 7 with 180 and CS. Thanks > > >Carl W Bell > >New Venture Consulting > >Mobile: 803.640.2760 > > www.newventureconsulting.com > >carlbell@gforcecable.com > > _________________________________________________________________ Get a preview of Live Earth, the hottest event this summer - only on MSN http://liveearth.msn.com?source=msntaglineliveearthhm ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 04:09:58 PM PST US From: "Timothy E. Cone" Subject: Re: RV-List: Breather run into exhaust I like the idea of venting into exhaust. Where can I get a kit? Thanks, Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: n801bh@netzero.com To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 3:02 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Breather run into exhaust Mike, exhaust venting is the way to go for a clean belly. There are several kits available to do this. Mr Gasket comes to mind and I use that one, it comes with a steel check valve to prevent any blowback into the crankcase. The kit comes with two of them but I only use one in my applications so I have a spare. It's yours for the cost of freight, probably 5 bucks or so. Contact me at my web site if interested.. do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- "mbick" wrote: I was wondering if anyone ran their breather tube into the exhaust. I have seen this done more and more lately on aerobatic planes where the breather runs into exhaust. Granted they have some separation from direct crankcase breathing vie the inverted systems but vent none the less into the exhaust. Any thoughts? Thanks Mike tp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List tronics.com ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 04:15:03 PM PST US From: "Timothy E. Cone" Subject: Re: RV-List: GPS Recommendation Do not let the low price of the Lowrance 2000C fool you, it is a very nice piece. They have a long history of free or near free updates, when new technology becomes available. They recently added terrain warning as a free software upgrade. Rumor has it XM weather is next. I'm not affiliated with them, just a happy customer. Tim Cone ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Arnold To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 3:47 PM Subject: RV-List: GPS Recommendation Dear Listers, I am ready to order a GPS for my Zenith CH701. My dilemma is what to get. I have reduced the affordable units to three: - Garmin GPS 296 $1,495 - Lowrance 200C $999 - AvMap EKP-IVC $1,495 Your comments are appreciated. If you have flown with any, please indicate your experience. Regards, Ken Arnold N701LK 75% do not archive ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 04:24:24 PM PST US From: Jeff Dowling Subject: Re: RV-List: Breather run into exhaust I exit my breather exhaust within about an inch of my exhaust pipe but still get an oily belly. Does this system directly tie into the exhaust? I also disconnected the return line from the seperator to the oil fill and ran it to the other exhaust. I dont think I need the few drops of sludge going back into my engine. Jeff Shemp Dowling rv6a 320hrs n801bh@netzero.com wrote: > > Mike, exhaust venting is the way to go for a clean belly. There are > several kits available to do this. Mr Gasket comes to mind and I use > that one, it comes with a steel check valve to prevent any blowback > into the crankcase. The kit comes with two of them but I only use one > in my applications so I have a spare. It's yours for the cost of > freight, probably 5 bucks or so. Contact me at my web site if > interested.. > > do not archive > > > Ben Haas > N801BH > www.haaspowerair.com > > -- "mbick" wrote: > > I was wondering if anyone ran their breather tube into the exhaust. I > have seen this done more and more lately on aerobatic planes where the > breather runs into exhaust. Granted they have some separation from > direct crankcase breathing vie the inverted systems but vent none the > less into the exhaust. Any thoughts? > > > > Thanks > > Mike > > * > > =================================== > tp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List > =================================== > tronics.com > =================================== > > * > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 04:29:57 PM PST US From: "Kyle Boatright" Subject: Re: RV-List: GPS Recommendation Aviation Consumer just went through a portable GPS review. They liked the Lowrance 600c at the low end, the Lowrance 200c at the mid level price (~$1,000), and the Garmin 396 if you need XM weather. KB ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Arnold To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 6:47 PM Subject: RV-List: GPS Recommendation Dear Listers, I am ready to order a GPS for my Zenith CH701. My dilemma is what to get. I have reduced the affordable units to three: - Garmin GPS 296 $1,495 - Lowrance 200C $999 - AvMap EKP-IVC $1,495 Your comments are appreciated. If you have flown with any, please indicate your experience. Regards, Ken Arnold N701LK 75% do not archive ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 04:37:16 PM PST US From: "Terry Watson" Subject: RE: RV-List: GPS Recommendation Aviation Consumer did a review this month. They put the Garmin 496 on top but thought the Lowrance AirMap 200C was excellent for much less money. There were several good ones in between. See the article for the details. Terry _____ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Arnold Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 3:48 PM Subject: RV-List: GPS Recommendation Dear Listers, I am ready to order a GPS for my Zenith CH701. My dilemma is what to get. I have reduced the affordable units to three: - Garmin GPS 296 $1,495 - Lowrance 200C $999 - AvMap EKP-IVC $1,495 Your comments are appreciated. If you have flown with any, please indicate your experience. Regards, Ken Arnold N701LK 75% do not archive ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 04:52:53 PM PST US From: Sam Buchanan Subject: Re: RV-List: GPS Recommendation Timothy E. Cone wrote: > Do not let the low price of the Lowrance 2000C fool you, it is a very > nice piece. > > They have a long history of free or near free updates, when new > technology becomes available. They recently added terrain warning as > a free software upgrade. > > Rumor has it XM weather is next. > > I'm not affiliated with them, just a happy customer. And if you *really* want a big bang for the buck, and a b/w display will work for you (works great under our RV canopies; the brighter the light, the better it looks), check out the Lowrance Airmap 1000: http://www.avionicswest.com/airmap1000.htm#2003 Avionics West has it for $499.00. I've been flying a 1000 for over a year and really like it. Sam Buchanan =============== > Dear Listers, I am ready to order a GPS for my Zenith CH701. My > dilemma is what to get. I have reduced the affordable units to > three: - Garmin GPS 296 $1,495 - Lowrance 200C $999 - AvMap EKP-IVC > $1,495 > > Your comments are appreciated. If you have flown with any, please > indicate your experience. Regards, Ken Arnold N701LK 75% ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 05:19:40 PM PST US From: "Ron Lee" Subject: Re: RV-List: Rocky Mountain route: Noob question >Preliminary look is that it is low for an RV. By that I meant that the RV can get well above terrain easily. One suggestion. From U34, consider heading to Monument Valley. Around 110 degrees, 10 minutes west and 37 degrees, 3 minutes north. Then head west just south of Navajo Mountain to Page. Disregard, Do that on your flight from Page to FMN. Less out of your way and most likely earlier in the day. Then circle around four corners (Utah, NM, CO, AZ). You will see Shiprock NM almost straight ahead on your way to FMN. >From there you can head to Santa Fe (KSAF) then pick up the expressway eastbound south of Las Vegas NM (KLVS) then on east. If you are feeling adventurous, direct from KSAF to KLVS would get you over some mountains with lower terrain to your right. No need to go south to ABQ unless you want to but you are close when near KSAF. Miami Co Kansas (K81) had cheap fuel and good BBQ on field when I was there a year ago if that is on your way. Ron Lee ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 05:33:01 PM PST US From: Oldsfolks@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Re: Breather run into exhaust I have run the crankcase vent line ONTO not INTO the exhaust pipe on both or our 150 HP RV-4's and don't have a problem with oily belly. About 1/8" between vent tube and exhaust pipe. Bob Olds RV-4 N1191X Charleston,Arkansas ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 06:28:20 PM PST US From: mark phipps Subject: Re: RV-List: Rocky Mountain route: Noob question Last week I flew from Longmont (just north of Denver ) direct to Las Vegas in my 6A. 13'500 over the continental divide and the remainder of the route and area north can be handled at 11"500. Easy flight in an RV, I agree though mornings will help you avoid thunderstorms that we get off the mountains almost every afternoon. Mark Phipps, N242RP, Gypsy Spirit "n801bh@netzero.com" wrote: Fly as much as you can in the early mornings, give yourself 1000+ over any ridgetops and enjoy the scenery. Weather for this weekend looks kinda iffy, that's if the front spinning in from the NW can knock down the present high pressure we have sitting over us for the past two weeks. My bet is it will get deflected and you guys will have a great time. Fly safely. Ben Jackson Hole Wy Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- "Bill Boyd" wrote: I'm part of the gaggle from the SouthEast RV group headed to Yellowstone this weekend. I have no mountain flying experience save what little you get living and flying in the Appalachians the past 15 years. I plan to return home to Virginia via the Grand Canyon and Albuquerque, Dodge City, KS, St. Loiuis, MO and eastbound from there. My question pertains mostly to getting from Cody to Flagstaff. This route looks promising, but I seek input from RVers who know this area: KCOD;KRIW;KRKS;U34;KHVE;KPGA. I'm not sure how easy the Green River is to fly down to get to U34, but if it's a decent pass, then the highest terrain I should see enroute looks to be 9500' in the vicinity of Rock Springs, WY. Leaving the Grand Canyon area via KPGA;KFMN;KABQ;KDDC looks like an effortless way out to the east. I have oxygen available, and a 160hp FP RV6A that I've never taken above 11500 MSL. Naturally, everything's weather dependent, but I'm hoping with 6 days allocated for getting home from KCOD that this leg will be as doable as getting to Cody is. If you're a local, or a veteran aviator in the _real_ mountains, please chime in, here or off-list. I want to play this smart and safe. I've done the AOPA online instructional course, seen the FAA movies on mountain flying, and "read the book," BTW. -Stormy ==================================== tp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List ==================================== tronics.com ==================================== --------------------------------- You snooze, you lose. Get messages ASAP with AutoCheck ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 06:34:22 PM PST US From: Joe Garner Subject: Re: RV-List: Breather run into exhaust Is this the kit your talking about? Got a photo of how you plumbed it into the exhaust? Thanks, Joe http://www.mr-gasket.com/ProductDetails.aspx?brandId=1&productID=8637035&majID=375&minID=3753&selection=9&minselection=1 n801bh@netzero.com wrote: > Mike, exhaust venting is the way to go for a clean belly. There are > several kits available to do this. Mr Gasket comes to mind and I use > that one, it comes with a steel check valve to prevent any blowback into > the crankcase. The kit comes with two of them but I only use one in my > applications so I have a spare. It's yours for the cost of freight, > probably 5 bucks or so. Contact me at my web site if interested.. > > do not archive > > > Ben Haas > N801BH > www.haaspowerair.com > > -- "mbick" wrote: > > I was wondering if anyone ran their breather tube into the exhaust. I > have seen this done more and more lately on aerobatic planes where the > breather runs into exhaust. Granted they have some separation from > direct crankcase breathing vie the inverted systems but vent none the > less into the exhaust. Any thoughts? > > > > Thanks > > Mike > > * ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 06:45:41 PM PST US From: "David Burnham" Subject: Re: RV-List: Capacitive Fuel Sending units Carl, I have capacitance senders and Advanced Systems engine monitor, accuracy is amazing. Dave Burnham N64FN Huntsville, AL On 6/4/07, Frank Stringham wrote: > > > Carl > > I went capacitive....but would probably use float next time around..... > > Frank @ SGU RV7A "NDY" > > > >From: "Carl Bell" > >To: "Carl Bell" > >Subject: RV-List: Capacitive Fuel Sending units > >Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 15:10:41 -0400 > > > >Tail is almost done and I need to order my wing kit this week and would > >love > >to get conventional wisdom or whether to order it with capacitive fuel > >sending units or float sending units. I will probable use a combo EMS > i.e. > >Vision, GRT, Dynon etc. Any thoughts or experience would be appreciated. > I > >am building an RV 7 with 180 and CS. Thanks > > > > > > > >Carl W Bell > > > >New Venture Consulting > > > >Mobile: 803.640.2760 > > > > www.newventureconsulting.com > > > >carlbell@gforcecable.com > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get a preview of Live Earth, the hottest event this summer - only on MSN > http://liveearth.msn.com?source=msntaglineliveearthhm > > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 06:54:42 PM PST US From: "Jeff Orear" Subject: Re: RV-List: GPS Recommendation This may sway you Ken, as well as the other recommedataion for the 2000c. The list price is not what you will pay. You can get a 2000c for just under $700.00. IMHO, major bang-age for the buck. Sam, I had a 1000 in my 6A and could not read the thing. I had it flush mounted just to the left of my center of view and I was catching myself scrunching down and leaning over to see it at all. Reflection from my shirt was a problem as well. I put the 2000c in the same slot and boy oh boy what a difference. MUCH more readable for me. Could be a function of where it was mounted, but I just could not read the 1000. Regards, ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Arnold To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 5:47 PM Subject: RV-List: GPS Recommendation Dear Listers, I am ready to order a GPS for my Zenith CH701. My dilemma is what to get. I have reduced the affordable units to three: - Garmin GPS 296 $1,495 - Lowrance 200C $999 - AvMap EKP-IVC $1,495 Your comments are appreciated. If you have flown with any, please indicate your experience. Regards, Ken Arnold N701LK 75% do not archive ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 06:57:00 PM PST US From: "Ron Lee" Subject: Re: RV-List: Rocky Mountain route: Noob question Another option to get a bit of a feel for the Rockies is once you pass four corners, head east to Pagosa Springs (KPSO), previously 2V1. Then go over Wolf Creek Pass just a bit left of a direct line from KPSO to Del Norte (8V1). Then a direct line from 8V1 to La Junta CO (KLHX) will take you over the Great Sand Dunes National Monument. Fly over the passes there and east to flat country. Ron Lee ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 08:14:33 PM PST US From: Bobby Hester Subject: Re: RV-List: Capacitive Fuel Sending units David how are you checking the accuracy? I have the same set up and I stick my tanks before flying to check the fuel level and the level on the monitor and I would not call the accuracy amazing. Surfing the web with my laptop from Hopkinsville, KY Visit my RV7A website: http://webpages.charter.net/bobbyhester/MyFlyingRV7A.htm David Burnham wrote: > Carl, > > I have capacitance senders and Advanced Systems engine monitor, > accuracy is amazing. > > Dave Burnham > N64FN > Huntsville, AL > > > On 6/4/07, *Frank Stringham* > wrote: > > fstringham@hotmail.com > > > Carl > > I went capacitive....but would probably use float next time > around..... > > Frank @ SGU RV7A "NDY" > > > >From: "Carl Bell" < carlbell@gforcecable.com > > > >To: "Carl Bell" > > >Subject: RV-List: Capacitive Fuel Sending units > >Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 15:10:41 -0400 > > > >Tail is almost done and I need to order my wing kit this week and > would > >love > >to get conventional wisdom or whether to order it with capacitive > fuel > >sending units or float sending units. I will probable use a > combo EMS i.e. > >Vision, GRT, Dynon etc. Any thoughts or experience would be > appreciated. I > >am building an RV 7 with 180 and CS. Thanks > > > > > > > >Carl W Bell > > > >New Venture Consulting > > > >Mobile: 803.640.2760 > > > > > www.newventureconsulting.com > > > >carlbell@gforcecable.com > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 08:30:22 PM PST US From: PittsS1@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Breather run into exhaust there is positive pressure in the crank case if you can neutralize that pressure the internal rotating parts will spin free ... resulting in free horse power. the exhaust can create a lot of suction and actually suck oil from the crank case ... be careful. on a pumped up / modified I0-360 with a 4 into 1 exhaust i used a stainless 1/2 in tube welded into the collector at 45 degree angle ... plus ... a metered 'pill' to get the correct vacuum pressure. i monitored oil consumption changing the orifice size until oil consumption was normal. the house power increase was the most notable of all previous mods. yes ... a poor mans smoke system but no more oil on the belly ... do it! lots of acro guys do ... mike ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 09:10:28 PM PST US From: Sam Buchanan Subject: Re: RV-List: GPS Recommendation Jeff Orear wrote: > This may sway you Ken, as well as the other recommedataion for the > 2000c. The list price is not what you will pay. You can get a 2000c > for just under $700.00. IMHO, major bang-age for the buck. > > Sam, I had a 1000 in my 6A and could not read the thing. I had it > flush mounted just to the left of my center of view and I was > catching myself scrunching down and leaning over to see it at all. > Reflection from my shirt was a problem as well. I put the 2000c in > the same slot and boy oh boy what a difference. MUCH more readable > for me. Could be a function of where it was mounted, but I just > could not read the 1000. Sorry to see the 1000 didn't work out for you, Jeff. I assume you tried adjusting the display settings.... The unit has been very readable in my plane, even for the passenger. The other pilots in our area with the Airmap 1000 have been very pleased with all aspects of the box. There are other GPS's with more features (color, weather) but the 1000 is a great unit for the price, and my eyes appreciate the big display (even bigger than the 2000C). It is puzzling why you had viewing problems with your 1000, but glad the 2000C is working for you. Sam Buchanan ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 09:23:08 PM PST US From: "sportypilot" Subject: RE: RV-List: Breather run into exhaust What was the best size orifice for this ? -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of PittsS1@aol.com Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 10:28 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Breather run into exhaust there is positive pressure in the crank case if you can neutralize that pressure the internal rotating parts will spin free ... resulting in free horse power. the exhaust can create a lot of suction and actually suck oil from the crank case ... be careful. on a pumped up / modified I0-360 with a 4 into 1 exhaust i used a stainless 1/2 in tube welded into the collector at 45 degree angle ... plus ... a metered 'pill' to get the correct vacuum pressure. i monitored oil consumption changing the orifice size until oil consumption was normal. the house power increase was the most notable of all previous mods. yes ... a poor mans smoke system but no more oil on the belly ... do it! lots of acro guys do ... mike _____ See what's free at AOL.com . ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 09:29:33 PM PST US From: PittsS1@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Breather run into exhaust dont remember, it was years ago. ... start small maybe .125 ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.