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1. 04:19 AM - FS: MT Prop Governor (Neal George)
2. 08:31 AM - Re: transponder & comm antenna separation RV-6/7 (Hopperdhh@aol.com)
3. 09:54 AM - Re: transponder & comm antenna separation RV-6/7 (Paul Rice)
4. 12:02 PM - Re: transponder & comm antenna separation RV-6/7 (RV6 Flyer)
5. 12:22 PM - Re: Breather run into exhaust (warning again) (Konrad L. Werner)
6. 03:57 PM - Re: Breather run into exhaust (warning again) (Michael D. Cencula)
7. 04:11 PM - Re: Breather run into exhaust (warning again) (Kyle Boatright)
8. 04:11 PM - Need Performance chart (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
9. 04:30 PM - Re: Need Performance chart (John Jessen)
10. 06:18 PM - Flightcom headsets for sale (Dan Krueger)
11. 07:28 PM - Re: Need Performance chart (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
12. 08:06 PM - Re: Flightcom headsets for sale (Dan Krueger)
13. 08:12 PM - Re: Need Performance chart (Greg Young)
14. 09:18 PM - Re: Need Performance chart (Bayne)
15. 10:11 PM - Re: Need Performance chart (John Jessen)
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| Subject: | FS: MT Prop Governor |
For Sale:
New MT P-860-4 Prop Governor.
For rear-mount on (I)O-320 or (I)O-360 engines.
$1050, shipped.
Neal E. George
2023 Everglades Drive
Navarre, FL 32566
Home - 850-515-0640
Cell - 850-218-4838
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| Subject: | Re: transponder & comm antenna separation RV-6/7 |
Tom,
I put my comm antenna on the left side of the plane and the transponder on
the right side. Both are about half way between the 2 outboard seat ribs and
about 5 inches behind the spar. For the comm antenna I used some leftover
stiffener material between the ribs to help reduce flexing. They are probably
a
little more than 3 feet apart. I fed the cables along the floor on the left and
right sides rather than have them in the center along with the other wiring.
Everything works fine. I have not noticed any problem with the gear leg
affecting the antenna pattern, which is not to say that it doesn't have some
effect.
Dan Hopper
RV-7A
In a message dated 6/9/2007 11:13:34 AM Eastern Standard Time,
sarg314@comcast.net writes:
I just read in my Garmin GTX327 transponder installation manual that I
should "avoid" placing the transponder antenna within 3 feet of any comm
antenna. I assume because transmission on one can disturb reception on
the other.
I was advised by one of the guys at Vans to place the transponder
antenna under the passenger seat at the outboard side and the comm
antenna under the pilot seat just left of the central channel, that is,
in the "channel" adjacent to the central channel.
I like this placement. It keeps the cables fairly short and the antennas
aren't hard to get to. I don't like that it puts the comm antenna
fairly close to the gear legs (about 1/4 wave), but I guess you have to
make some compromises. However it puts the xponder only about 2 ft from
the comm.
Has any one who has done this noticed any interference between the comm
and transponder?
(or for that matter distortion of the comm transmission pattern due to
the gear legs?)
--
Tom Sargent
RV-6A, electrical system.
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| Subject: | Re: transponder & comm antenna separation RV-6/7 |
Hey Tom,
I have about 12 hours on my RV8 with the trnxp ant. on the left side of
the fuselage and the comm on the right, closer than that of your RV6
with no problems. I say go ahead with your plan. Both my trxp and comm
are garmin also.
Paul Rice
N64PR
----- Original Message -----
From: sarg314<mailto:sarg314@comcast.net>
To: rv-list@matronics.com<mailto:rv-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 10:08 AM
Subject: RV-List: transponder & comm antenna separation RV-6/7
<sarg314@comcast.net<mailto:sarg314@comcast.net>>
I just read in my Garmin GTX327 transponder installation manual that I
should "avoid" placing the transponder antenna within 3 feet of any
comm
antenna. I assume because transmission on one can disturb reception
on
the other.
I was advised by one of the guys at Vans to place the transponder
antenna under the passenger seat at the outboard side and the comm
antenna under the pilot seat just left of the central channel, that
is,
in the "channel" adjacent to the central channel.
I like this placement. It keeps the cables fairly short and the
antennas
aren't hard to get to. I don't like that it puts the comm antenna
fairly close to the gear legs (about 1/4 wave), but I guess you have
to
make some compromises. However it puts the xponder only about 2 ft
from
the comm.
Has any one who has done this noticed any interference between the
comm
and transponder?
(or for that matter distortion of the comm transmission pattern due to
the gear legs?)
--
Tom Sargent
RV-6A, electrical system.
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List<http://www.matronics.com/Navig
ator?RV-List>
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| Subject: | Re: transponder & comm antenna separation RV-6/7 |
Tom:
I have TWO comm antennas mounted on the floor forward of the SPAR as far
outboard as I can get them. I have the transponder antenna located exactly
1/2 way between them. The transponder antenna runs down the center console
to it.
My -6 has been flying almost 10 years. I have over 2,000 hobbs hours on it.
KT-76A
GX-60
SL-30
I prefer to not run the coax aft of the spar. I am able to reach one of the
comm antenna while flying. If I needed to connect a handheld to it, I
could. It is NOT easy but it could be done in an emergency.
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
2,004 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA
<sarg314@comcast.net<mailto:sarg314@comcast.net>>
I just read in my Garmin GTX327 transponder installation manual that I
should "avoid" placing the transponder antenna within 3 feet of any comm
antenna. I assume because transmission on one can disturb reception on
the other.
I was advised by one of the guys at Vans to place the transponder
antenna under the passenger seat at the outboard side and the comm
antenna under the pilot seat just left of the central channel, that is,
in the "channel" adjacent to the central channel.
I like this placement. It keeps the cables fairly short and the antennas
aren't hard to get to. I don't like that it puts the comm antenna
fairly close to the gear legs (about 1/4 wave), but I guess you have to
make some compromises. However it puts the xponder only about 2 ft from
the comm.
Has any one who has done this noticed any interference between the comm
and transponder?
(or for that matter distortion of the comm transmission pattern due to
the gear legs?)
--
Tom Sargent
RV-6A, electrical system.
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| Subject: | Re: Breather run into exhaust (warning again) |
(WARNING AGAIN & AGAIN, this one is possibly long winded, hopefully
somewhat informative & perhaps entertaining to some)
Hi there George (what is your last name anyway?)
I've got some spare time this afternoon to answer your logic, so here it
goes:
Konrad: Interesting but a few things. I did not say or intend that the
NTSB examples had anything to do with drag race crank evacuation via
exhaust failures or accidents.
>> So why bring them up then? If anyone wants to read any UN-related
NTSB reports about someone elses accidents, then they can do so at will
and at their topics of choice. But you certainly took the time to find
these accident reports, and now you say these reports have nothing to do
with the topic we were discussing... What were you thinking? ...a bit
confused?
In fact these Drag Vents are just NOT done in most cars. It's made for
drag racers with open pipes only.
>> This statement is so absolutely NOT true. They are ALSO used in drag
racers, as well as other efficient performance engines of many kinds,
including aviation engines (can you believe that???) The reason they
are not done in most cars may have more to do with governmentally
implied emission control then anything else.
Now I'm not saying in can't or won't work on a little plane, but my
point of posting the NTSB reports is, if (Big IF) your crank vent gets
blocked for whatever the reason in the exhaust pipe or out of the pipe,
it can be BAD. Agree?
>> I agree that if the crankvent get's blocked then you are in for a
surprise landing. But we were talking about the "improvement" of
breathing, which is the exact opposite of what you are talking about...
Your idea of "Tees" and all kind of stuff just makes me think, why. KISS
principle. You know what that is, Keep It Simple Stupid. Keep it light,
cheap, simpler, quicker to build and easier to maintain......and so on.
>> One has to be able to get a clear understanding of the idea at hand.
But if it is beyond grasp, then I certainly recommend to follow your
rule: Keep It Simple, Stupid...
I can't see why your idea might not work, but it sounds odd. No offense
it just does not sound right off the top of my head, but it may be
brilliant.
>> I agree with you there, it sure is a brilliant idea! But I don't
think I can take credit for it, as most of what I have learned
throughout live I've highly likely learned from someone else that went
there before me, and I always listen to people smarter then me when it
comes to a subject of interest. But I can certainly understand that the
idea may sound odd to someone not 100% familiar with the intricate
interactive workings of a liquid fueled internal combustion powerplant
that turns flaming hot air into rotational forces. There are operators,
and then there are Mechanics...
Again I am a KISS principle guy. I fly big jets and have an engineering
background, so I appreciate complicated systems and creativity; its just
not needed in my opinion.
>> You fly big jets, yet you believe in KISS??? What is simple about
complex jets? I don't know anything about your engineering background,
nor do I care, but I have seen an aeronautical engineer try to cut a
piece of sheet metal stock with a hacksaw once, and it was extremely
entertaining for us all to watch, although the part became unusable for
the project we worked on, so I made a new one for him. Needless to say,
he did not earn our respect, but he knew his formula's. But his
calculations took longer then for us to build the parts with grass roots
engineering. Therefore, by you having an engineering background of
whatever kind does not impress me much at all, as many people can study
for a test and pass it without ever gaining a clear understanding of the
subject matter at hand. However, I do truly care about the Wilbur's,
Orville's, Ben's, Bob's & Rutan type of engineers. True hands-on
Experimenters, ...not bookworms that hide behind a calculator, pen or
PC.
My motto or mantra is "Build It Per the Plans".
>> Hmmm, question: Who drew the plans, and when? If it was a human then
I'd like to know if it was on a grumpy Monday morning after a great
weekend, or on Friday afternoon just before TGIF... And did they like
their job and get along with their Boss, or were they on their way out
already anyway? But if the person drawing the plans was a good engineer,
then I bet they had to experiment to come up with the final plans.
You have no way you can guarantee your special drag race adapted crank
sucker vent into exhaust deal will never get blocked or fail in some way
you have not thought of.
>> I am not sure where you get the notion that I am into drag racing. If
you would have paid attention then you would have figured out that my
ideas are more about improving overall engine performance while at the
same time making an engine more fuel efficient. I am not interested in
short burst of power, but rather powerful endurance with reliablilty.
About any guarantees: The only thing I care to guarantee you in this
life is that death is pretty much unavoidable, ...and taxes of course.
Again referring to my first sentence, do what you want, it's
experimental.
>> How come you participate on these lists anyway? The term
"Experimental" does not fit you, and you discourage experimenting by
WARNING people about something that you have never done, -nor would ever
do. So how credible are your comments really? How did we ever get to
the moon (and back!!!) or around the world without refueling Voyager?
Hmm...
Performance: Another point (I am just making up), blocking exhaust pipe
flow with a vent may lower engine performance.
>> Does it really? But how would we know for sure? There is just one
way to find out (and it is certainly not your way)...
A 1/2" tube sticking into the exhaust pipe, which is what the drag-race
kits supply, may lower engine performance. You have to drill that 1/2"
hole into the pipe and weld the tube into the exhaust pipe, that extends
a good bit into the exhaust flow. Now in a BIG drag race header with +3"
tubes it may not be a big deal, we have 1.75" dia exhaust typically.
Our smaller pipe with a 1/2" tube extending into it can't be great for
flow, thus HP, at least at high power.
>> This 1/2" tube all-by-itself "may" restrict exhaust flow ever so
slightly, but once this pipe is hooked up for scavenging purposes of the
crankcase, then the resultant overall power-increase more then overcomes
the cost of doing business. The same is true for Turbo- & Superchargers.
Can you imagine the immense exhaust restriction which the turbine wheel
of my Cummins Turbo Diesel poses inside the exhaust stream of my Dodge
Ram. But this allows it to exert energy from an otherwise wasted source
of dirty hot air and then it actually turns this nearly gone energy into
boost to feed that bitchin' motor with compressed air, thereby
increasing its output immensely. And the Cummins boys only found that
out by (dare I say it...) EXPERIMENTING with their engines! Can you
tell that I love my Cummins, ...especially when it is singing under full
boost going uphill whilst accelerating with a heavy load towed behind.
My RV has 4-into-1 with 1.75" pipes going into a 2.25" collector, but
the large collector is mostly outside the airplane. A tube hanging off
the collector outside the cowl would cause drag and look odd. I just
can't see drilling big 1/2" hole into my exhaust pipe, but more power to
you. (no pun intended)
>> You must be kidding me, you actually have 4>1 headers on your plane
and don't use it to create vacuum! That is so sad & even shameful...
Let me know when your RV-4 comes up for sale, as it may be a decent
platform to get started with hotrodding... you know, the dangerous
kind!!! It is never too late to improve that little sucker (no pun
intended either)
Cheers George ATP/CFI-II-ME, MSME, RV4/7, B7375767 (Is that the new
Boeing Triple-Decker?)
Konrad (definitely NOT an ATPCFIIIMEMSMERV4/7B7375767KISS kinda guy).
Now have yourself a nice Sunday, and don't take my opinions too
personal.
Disclaimer: No one should try to modify any engine or its associated
systems, unless they have a clear understanding of the potential
consequences these modifications may result in !!!
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| Subject: | Re: Breather run into exhaust (warning again) |
On Sunday June 10 2007 03:22 pm, Konrad L. Werner wrote:
<long flamewar snipped> :-)
> Disclaimer: No one should try to modify any engine or its associated
> systems, unless they have a clear understanding of the potential
> consequences these modifications may result in !!!
So after reading all this, I've got a few questions:
1. What is the breather for? (my guess would be just to keep the crankcase
from getting pressurized?)
2. Why does oil come out of it? (atomized oil working it's way out?)
3. Why is it bad if the crankcase gets pressurized? (pressure forcing oil out
of the crankshaft / bearing interface?...which could cause the crank to sieze
up?)
Thanks,
Mike
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| Subject: | Re: Breather run into exhaust (warning again) |
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael D. Cencula" <matronics@cencula.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Breather run into exhaust (warning again)
> <matronics@cencula.com>
>
> On Sunday June 10 2007 03:22 pm, Konrad L. Werner wrote:
> <long flamewar snipped> :-)
>> Disclaimer: No one should try to modify any engine or its associated
>> systems, unless they have a clear understanding of the potential
>> consequences these modifications may result in !!!
>
> So after reading all this, I've got a few questions:
> 1. What is the breather for? (my guess would be just to keep the crankcase
> from getting pressurized?)
Yes. Ring blow-by, which occurs on virtually all piston engines,
pressurizes the crankcase.
> 2. Why does oil come out of it? (atomized oil working it's way out?)
Atomized oil and the occasional splash of oil if you pull negative g's.
> 3. Why is it bad if the crankcase gets pressurized? (pressure forcing oil
> out
> of the crankshaft / bearing interface?...which could cause the crank to
> sieze
> up?)
The front crankshaft seal is the weak link. Pressurize the crankcase and
that seal starts leaking. Pressurize the crankcase a bit more and that seal
comes out and a lot of oil will be right behind it. Not only is it time
consuming to replace the seal, but all that oil on the windscreen might make
landing a challenge.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike
>
KB
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| Subject: | Need Performance chart |
Couldaswore I had one, but need chart for 150 hp Lyc- E3D specifically.
Anyone got a quick link?
"Googling is like fishing for trout in a landfill"
Mark do not archive
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| Subject: | Need Performance chart |
Another question, which I haven't been able to answer, googling or even on
the Lycoming site. Does the E3D have a solid or hollow crank?
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fiveonepw@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 4:11 PM
Subject: RV-List: Need Performance chart
Couldaswore I had one, but need chart for 150 hp Lyc- E3D specifically.
Anyone got a quick link?
"Googling is like fishing for trout in a landfill"
Mark do not archive
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| Subject: | Flightcom headsets for sale |
I have sold my 6A and have the following headsets for sale;
Two Denali ANR sets - $200 each
Two Blackhawk 5DX - $75 each
The sets have about 100 hours each of use.
Please contact off list at pndkrueg@mchsi.com or 850-981-3252
Thank you
Dan Krueger
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| Subject: | Re: Need Performance chart |
In a message dated 6/10/2007 6:31:56 PM Central Daylight Time,
jjessen@rcn.com writes:
Does the E3D have a solid or hollow crank?
It's hollow all the way back to the front plug- never seen the rear of it and
hope that don't happen anytime soon! Not sure what this means, but I don't
believe my E3D has a oil line tap up front for a C/S prop- might want to holler
at Mahlon over on the Engines-list...
Mark do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Flightcom headsets for sale |
The Denali sets have been sold.
DNA
>
> I have sold my 6A and have the following headsets for sale;
>
> Two Denali ANR sets - $200 each
>
> Two Blackhawk 5DX - $75 each
>
> The sets have about 100 hours each of use.
>
> Please contact off list at pndkrueg@mchsi.com or 850-981-3252
>
> Thank you
>
> Dan Krueger
>
> Do Not Archive
>
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| Subject: | Need Performance chart |
Lycoming's model numbering uses odd numbers for hollow cranks and even for
solid. So the E3D is hollow... assuming no one got creative at overhaul.
Regards,
Greg Young - Houston (DWH)
RV-6 N6GY ...project Phoenix
Navion N5221K - just an XXL RV-6A
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[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 6:29 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Need Performance chart
Another question, which I haven't been able to answer, googling or even on
the Lycoming site. Does the E3D have a solid or hollow crank?
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| Subject: | Re: Need Performance chart |
John,
Regarding the crank, you may find Lycoming document SSP204 helpful.
http://www.lycoming.com/support/troubleshooting/resources/SSP204.pdf
----- Original Message -----
From: John Jessen
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 4:28 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Need Performance chart
Another question, which I haven't been able to answer, googling or
even on the Lycoming site. Does the E3D have a solid or hollow crank?
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Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 4:11 PM
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV-List: Need Performance chart
Couldaswore I had one, but need chart for 150 hp Lyc- E3D
specifically. Anyone got a quick link?
"Googling is like fishing for trout in a landfill"
Mark do not archive
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| Subject: | Need Performance chart |
Thanks. I saw this on their web site, but I guess I'm just ignorant about
how to read it to determine the crank type, if an engine that is used
currently for fixed pitch could be used for constant speed. No need to
answer on this list, I'll take this over to the engine list. Thanks.
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[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bayne
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 4:17 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Need Performance chart
John,
Regarding the crank, you may find Lycoming document SSP204 helpful.
http://www.lycoming.com/support/troubleshooting/resources/SSP204.pdf
----- Original Message -----
From: John Jessen <mailto:jjessen@rcn.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 4:28 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Need Performance chart
Another question, which I haven't been able to answer, googling or even on
the Lycoming site. Does the E3D have a solid or hollow crank?
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[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fiveonepw@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 4:11 PM
Subject: RV-List: Need Performance chart
Couldaswore I had one, but need chart for 150 hp Lyc- E3D specifically.
Anyone got a quick link?
"Googling is like fishing for trout in a landfill"
Mark do not archive
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