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1. 03:39 AM - Sorry...Better Chart Case Link.. (kirt klevin)
2. 03:50 AM - Re: RV Flight Bags/Better Pictures (kirt klevin)
3. 08:16 AM - RV- Flight Bags- Review (Darwin N. Barrie)
4. 08:50 AM - Aircraft Batteries (Robin)
5. 08:54 AM - Re: Denver to Eugene (Mike Robertson)
6. 09:08 AM - Re: Aircraft Batteries (Konrad L. Werner)
7. 09:30 AM - Re: Aircraft Batteries (Ron Lee)
8. 09:48 AM - Re: RV- Flight Bags- Review (Paul Rice)
9. 09:49 AM - Re: Aircraft Batteries (linn Walters)
10. 10:12 AM - antenna location (Wheeler North)
11. 11:20 AM - Re: Aircraft Batteries (Sam Buchanan)
12. 11:37 AM - Re: Aircraft Batteries (carlos)
13. 11:47 AM - Aircraft Battery (Robin)
14. 12:25 PM - Stuck main wheels (Trevor)
15. 12:38 PM - Re: Aircraft Battery (Sam Buchanan)
16. 12:41 PM - Re: Aircraft Battery (Dale Ensing)
17. 12:55 PM - Last call for the RV OSH BBQ (Bob Collins)
18. 01:09 PM - Re: Breather run into exhaust (warning again) (John Porter)
19. 01:18 PM - Kudos to Aero Sport Power (Ted French)
20. 02:38 PM - Re: RV- Flight Bags- Review (kirt klevin)
21. 02:43 PM - (Robin)
22. 02:43 PM - Filler (Robin)
23. 03:55 PM - Re: Filler (carlos)
24. 03:55 PM - Re: Filler (Mike Robertson)
25. 03:57 PM - Re: (Mike Robertson)
26. 04:12 PM - Re: Filler (Dale Walter)
27. 09:57 PM - Re: Last call for the RV OSH BBQ (David Dalton)
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| Subject: | Sorry...Better Chart Case Link.. |
As a few of you pointed out the chart case link wasn't quite complete....here is
the good one...
http://s205.photobucket.com/albums/bb290/BisonMountain/RV%20Chart%20Case/
Regards,
Kurt
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| Subject: | Re: RV Flight Bags/Better Pictures |
Greg/All,
The flight bag would be difficult to reach in flight. I have, but only by going
over my seat. The chart case is designed to sit on the floor of the cockpit
and keep essentials at hand (I keep approach books, charts, hand held, EBIRB,
extra batteries, flashlight, kneeboard, checklists, pens, etc in the chart
case). I use the larger one (flight bag) for all my survival stuff, tools, extra
oil, canopy cover,tiedown items, and preflight equipment (fuel tester, dip
sticks, flashlight). I use a second flight bag for my overnight bag when traveling.
This leaves much more room for my wifes "important" stuff.....=)
Regards,
Kurt
Greg Williams <mr.gsun+rv-list@gmail.com> wrote: Can you reach into these in flight?
On 6/11/07, kirt klevin <rv6aokcity@yahoo.com> wrote: Thanks to many of
you who have ordered our Flight Bags and Chart Cases. I know that a few of you
have had trouble viewing the pictures on the photoshack site so I have uploaded
them to the Photobucket site which seems to work much better.
Flight Bags:
http://s205.photobucket.com/albums/bb290/BisonMountain/
Chart Cases:
http://s205.photobucket.com/albums/...20Chart%20Case/
(Product Descriptions are attached below)
Regards,
Kurt
OKC,OK
RV6A, 165 hours
RV Flight Bag Description:
Custom RV Flight Bag (Fits RV-6/7/9) This custom flight bag was designed to fit
behind the pilots and co-pilots seat of the RV-6/7/9. It fits over the flap actuator
bar and makes maximum use of the area behind your seat, keeps the CG as
forward as possible and maximizes remaining cargo space. It's 18in high and
12.5in wide. It has a very large main cargo area easily accessible with a large
zipper flap. There are two side pockets, one 10" x 4 " and a 7" x 5 1/2 in map
pocket. The rear side of the bag has a pencil/flashlight/fuel tester pocket,
a 10in x 7in headset pocket, and a 6inx 5 1/4in pocket for small tools. The
material and zippers are heavy duty and will last a long time. It has a nice carrying
handle and comes with two straps that can be attached to your seat back
to clip the bag to your seat to minimize movement. If you are interested in
ordering one for your RV drop me a note at BisonMountain@yahoo.com. The cost is
$89 ($85 for two or more) plus shipping to your
address. Currently the only colors they have are black and gray. Its a nice way
to clean up the cargo area and looks
Chart Case Product Description:
As you know, the key to keeping everything you need within reach in a small cockpit
can be a challenge to say the least. Our new Chart Case is designed to
fit on the floor, between the pilot and passenger, of your RV or production aircraft.
It allows your approach charts, enroute charts, sectionals, WAC's, pencils,
flashlights, hand held radios, and other miscellaneous items to be stored
in easy reach without having to climb over your seat to reach items in your
cargo area. The Chart Case is 10.5 inches long, 8.75 in high, and 4.5 in wide
and weighs 1 pound, 4 oz. The main compartment has a durable double zipper that
allows full access to the interior. The Chart Case has 410 cubic inches of storage
area and comes with a divider that can be adjusted to hold any combination
of items. The divider is adjustable to any number of dimensions and will create
2 interior pockets as small as 2 inches on one side and 8 on the other and
every dimension in between. The divider can also
be removed to make the bag one large compartment. The interior divider and main
compartment double zipper also allows one top compartment to remain open for
often used items (approach charts), and the remaining compartment zipped closed.
The extra portion of the top cover is tucked neatly next to the divider and
less used items are out of view and your cockpit will look sharp and organized.
.The Chart Case has two side map pockets designed to fit checklists, flight
computers, calculators, sectionals, WAC's, and Jeppesen or NOS enroute charts.
Both of these pockets have Velcro straps to keep your items locked in while
transporting the Chart Case. The rear pocket of the Chart Case has a zippered
4 inch by 6.5 inch pocket for just about anything. The front of the Chart Case
has a multi-purpose holder for pens, pencils, smaller flashlights, and fuel
strainers. Attached to the front of the case is a durable carrying handle that
makes inserting and removing the Chart Case
simple. A removable over the shoulder carrying strap is also included. The chart
case is made of the same durable Curdura material found in our RV Flight Bags
and is also available in grey and black. The Bison Mountain Chart Case sells
for $49. Two or more can be purchased for $45 each. If you would like an order
form simply email us at: BisonMountain@yahoo.com
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| Subject: | RV- Flight Bags- Review |
I purchased the RV flight bags and chart case from Bison Mountain after
seeing them in my friends 7. Previously, I had all of my essential stuff
in 3 of the small tool bags from Sears. Other stuff was in the pocket
attached to the rear of my seats (Flightline Interior).
After getting the flight bags and transferring the stuff I realized I
had considerably more space in the bags to carry more stuff!!!! I set
them up so all of the stuff I might need every flight was in the left
bag (chocks, pitot cover, gust lock etc..). The right bag has tools, fix
a flat, tie downs etc...
The bags fit very nicely behind the seats of the side by side models.
They are tapered to match the angle of the seat back. There is no wasted
space. My baggage area is now very neat with much more space. There are
many exterior pockets that are easy accessible for the stuff you use for
preflight and other minor maintenance items.
One of the nice things I really like is the bags are designed with a
trough in the bottom that fits over the flap actuation bar. Setting bags
on the bar has always concerned me about adding a little undue friction
on the bar.
There are many ways to set the bags up. You could easily fit everything
you need in one bag and use the other one as your "luggage" for personal
stuff. It would make one bag heavy but could easily be done. They come
with shoulder straps and attachment hardware.
I also purchased the chart bag and am still working on an exact location
for it. I like the betweent the seat location and will likely leave it
there.
At first glance the bags seem a little pricey. However these bags are of
a very heavy and durable material. (Not heavy in weight but heavy in
gauge) The zippers are heavy duty as well. The overall quality is well
worth the cost. Most importantly the functionalality of the bags is well
worth the price. Definitely designed for the purpose.
Darwin N. Barrie
Chandler AZ
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| Subject: | Aircraft Batteries |
I would like to know if a sealed battery like used in a car would be ok
for an aircraft.
Does anyone know?
Has anyone tried to use a sealed car battery in their plane?
I have drove up over the mountains as high as 15,000 feet and had no
problems with the battery in my car so why not use the same battery in
an aircraft?
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| Subject: | Denver to Eugene |
Having flown, and lived, in this area for quite some time I whole-heartly c
oncur with David on taking I-90 across Wyoming. But seeing as how you are
going to Eugene there is an alternative. From western Wyoming you can inte
rcept I-84 in eastern Idaho and basically follow it all the way through the
Columbia Gorge to Portland, then hang a left down the valley to Eugene. I
f the weather is exceptional you could cut straight across from Baker City
in Eastern Oregon to Bend, OR, then a very quick hope across the Cascades t
o Eugene. Eastern Oregon is somewhat sparely populated but there are sever
al available stops for fuel between Baker City and Bend.
Mike Robertson
Repeat Offender
From: dmaib@mac.comSubject: Re: RV-List: Denver to EugeneDate: Mon, 11 Jun
2007 22:24:04 -0500To: rv-list@matronics.comJim,
My wife and I took our elderly Bonanza to Oregon/Washington from Ft. Collin
s, CO two years ago. I planned the heck out of the trip and talked to folks
who had lots of experience over that route in light aircraft. We headed NN
W out of Ft. Collins and intercepted Interstate 90 up in Wyoming and follow
ed it all the way to Washington. Sorry I don't have a chart with me, so can
not tell you exactly where. We were blessed with excellent weather both way
s. I am a very experienced IFR pilot, but would have been very reluctant to
go IFR on some of the route due to high MEA/MOCA. I was able to get radar
flight following almost all of the way at altitudes of 8500 to 10,500. We d
id carry and use supplemental oxygen for the higher altitudes. I cannot re
member the order of the places we stopped for fuel without a map, but I kno
w that on the outbound and the inbound trips we stopped at Butte, Bozeman,
and another one or two that I cannot remember right now. As I recall, the h
ighest pass on I-90 is around 7000 feet. Get some mountain flying instructi
on if you can. If not, get a good book on the subject and remain cautious,
as you seem to be. It was the trip of a lifetime for my wife and I. Two wee
ks of wondering around the Pacific NW with no particular schedule.
Have fun!
David Maib
RV-10 40559
Wings
On Jun 11, 2007, at 8:54 PM, JVanLaak@aol.com wrote:
Listers,
I will be taking the family on our first trip through the Northwest by ligh
t plane and would appreciate your wisdom on the route and maybe a place or
two to stop. Although I have a lovely RV-6 this trip needs three seats and
is in a Comanche 250.
We are actually starting out in Hampton VA, but the flight across the plain
s is a no brainer. What concerns me is leaving out of Boulder, CO and land
ing at Eugene, OR. We can make about 150 knots and should be able to handl
e the altitude without trouble, but I do worry about winds and other mounta
in hazards. Your advice about routes to stay near the main highways, good
gas stops, and any other wisdom is appreciated. I am an Air Force trained
jet jocky but am very respectful of the hazards of being down among 'em and
know enough to ask for advice.
Thanks in advance and please reply off list.
Do not archive.
Jim Van Laak
RV-6 N79RL
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Batteries |
Just curious, what is the weight of this car battery when compared to an
A/C Battery?
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----- Original Message -----
From: Robin
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 9:46 AM
Subject: RV-List: Aircraft Batteries
I would like to know if a sealed battery like used in a car would be
ok for an aircraft.
Does anyone know?
Has anyone tried to use a sealed car battery in their plane?
I have drove up over the mountains as high as 15,000 feet and had no
problems with the battery in my car so why not use the same battery in
an aircraft?
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Batteries |
I use the Odyssey battery in my plane (RV-6A)
Ron Lee
----- Original Message -----
From: Robin
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 9:46 AM
Subject: RV-List: Aircraft Batteries
I would like to know if a sealed battery like used in a car would be
ok for an aircraft.
Does anyone know?
Has anyone tried to use a sealed car battery in their plane?
I have drove up over the mountains as high as 15,000 feet and had no
problems with the battery in my car so why not use the same battery in
an aircraft?
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| Subject: | Re: RV- Flight Bags- Review |
Hey Darwin,
I notice you said you put fix a flat in your tool bag. I would not
recommend using that in your plane as I have heard it can and has caused
a very out of balance tire which can cause consideral damage to your
aircraft on landing.
Good flying,
Paul Rice
RV8 flying, 12 hours
----- Original Message -----
From: Darwin N. Barrie<mailto:ktlkrn@cox.net>
To: rv-list@matronics.com<mailto:rv-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 10:13 AM
Subject: RV-List: RV- Flight Bags- Review
I purchased the RV flight bags and chart case from Bison Mountain
after seeing them in my friends 7. Previously, I had all of my essential
stuff in 3 of the small tool bags from Sears. Other stuff was in the
pocket attached to the rear of my seats (Flightline Interior).
After getting the flight bags and transferring the stuff I realized I
had considerably more space in the bags to carry more stuff!!!! I set
them up so all of the stuff I might need every flight was in the left
bag (chocks, pitot cover, gust lock etc..). The right bag has tools, fix
a flat, tie downs etc...
The bags fit very nicely behind the seats of the side by side models.
They are tapered to match the angle of the seat back. There is no wasted
space. My baggage area is now very neat with much more space. There are
many exterior pockets that are easy accessible for the stuff you use for
preflight and other minor maintenance items.
One of the nice things I really like is the bags are designed with a
trough in the bottom that fits over the flap actuation bar. Setting bags
on the bar has always concerned me about adding a little undue friction
on the bar.
There are many ways to set the bags up. You could easily fit
everything you need in one bag and use the other one as your "luggage"
for personal stuff. It would make one bag heavy but could easily be
done. They come with shoulder straps and attachment hardware.
I also purchased the chart bag and am still working on an exact
location for it. I like the betweent the seat location and will likely
leave it there.
At first glance the bags seem a little pricey. However these bags are
of a very heavy and durable material. (Not heavy in weight but heavy in
gauge) The zippers are heavy duty as well. The overall quality is well
worth the cost. Most importantly the functionalality of the bags is well
worth the price. Definitely designed for the purpose.
Darwin N. Barrie
Chandler AZ
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List<http://www.matronics.com/Navig
ator?RV-List>
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Batteries |
No reason that I know of.
Linn
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Robin wrote:
> I would like to know if a sealed battery like used in a car would be
> ok for an aircraft.
> Does anyone know?
> Has anyone tried to use a sealed car battery in their plane?
> I have drove up over the mountains as high as 15,000 feet and had no
> problems with the battery in my car so why not use the same battery in
> an aircraft?
>
>
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| Subject: | antenna location |
I would avoid getting an antenna too close to the prop.
I've done this mistake more than once under an aircraft with belly mounts;
it would make for some odd behavior with comm. antennas.
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Batteries |
Robin wrote:
> I would like to know if a sealed battery like used in a car would be
> ok for an aircraft. Does anyone know? Has anyone tried to use a
> sealed car battery in their plane? I have drove up over the mountains
> as high as 15,000 feet and had no problems with the battery in my car
> so why not use the same battery in an aircraft?
Robin, a sealed automotive battery should function fine in an aircraft
but the main advantage of the Odyssey batteries is their big cranking
capacity combined with relatively light weight and small package.
I first had the Concorde RG 25 in my RV-6, but now have the Odyssey 680
because it is smaller, lighter, and just as powerful. It can also be
mounted in any position except upside down.
Sam Buchanan
http://thervjournal.com
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Batteries |
Ron Lee wrote:
> I use the Odyssey battery in my plane (RV-6A)
>
> Ron Lee
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Robin <mailto:BigMotors@comcast.net>
> *To:* rv-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 12, 2007 9:46 AM
> *Subject:* RV-List: Aircraft Batteries
>
> I would like to know if a sealed battery like used in a car would
> be ok for an aircraft.
> Does anyone know?
> Has anyone tried to use a sealed car battery in their plane?
> I have drove up over the mountains as high as 15,000 feet and had
> no problems with the battery in my car so why not use the same
> battery in an aircraft?
>
> *
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
> *
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
Sealed Odyssey PC680 for my PL-1 and I'll be using one for my -7A. 15
lbs and plenty of power.
Carlos in AZ
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| Subject: | Aircraft Battery |
I thank everyone for helping me with this battery issue. I will get
an Odyssey battery because of it's light weight and it is safer in case
of breakage.
I'll just have to suffer the extra cost knowing it is for a good
cause.
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| Subject: | Stuck main wheels |
Today I fitted the main wheels to the axle on my -7. The left went on
and off no problem, however the right went on ok but would not come off,
no matter how much tugging and thumping. It seems as tho the bearing is
catching on the threads. Gets so far but will not budge any further (
with the spacer there is about 1/4" of thread showing) The disturbing
part is that it comes fairly easily to this point, then there is a
definate "clunk" (like hitting a stop). I have tried putting on the nut
and tightening it all up, hoping that it might re-align the bearing but
to no avail. Nut goes on smoothly, shaft was sanded and greased
beforehand. The cotter pin hole has not been drilled. Quite a mystery!
Will undo the circlip tomorrow and try and coax the bearing out but if
anyone has any better ideas I would appreciate hearing them.
Thanks
Trevor Davis - South Africa
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Battery |
Robin wrote:
> I thank everyone for helping me with this battery issue. I will get
> an Odyssey battery because of it's light weight and it is safer in
> case of breakage. I'll just have to suffer the extra cost knowing it
> is for a good cause.
Oh.....so you weren't asking about a true "sealed" automotive battery
but a wet battery. I definitely would not recommend any battery that
contains liquid electrolyte...aircraft, automotive, or otherwise.
You made a good choice with the Odyssey. If you want to save some money,
and you will be operating in a mild climate, you might consider one of
the sealed "generic" batteries:
http://thervjournal.com/battery.htm
Enjoy your RV-3!
Sam Buchanan
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Battery |
Robin,
Do a little shopping online.I purchased my Odyssey 680 on line for about
$70 and $4 shipping.
Dale Ensing
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----- Original Message -----
From: Robin
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 2:46 PM
Subject: RV-List: Aircraft Battery
I thank everyone for helping me with this battery issue. I will
get an Odyssey battery because of it's light weight and it is safer in
case of breakage.
I'll just have to suffer the extra cost knowing it is for a good
cause.
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| Subject: | Last call for the RV OSH BBQ |
As of this afternoon, we are at 311 registrants for the Oshkosh BBQ. Based on the
rate of registrations in the last few weeks, and factoring in the number of
"neighbors" I would expect to show up (we invite neighbors to eat for free),
I am anticipating we'll be at the 350 person cut-off by Wednesday afternoon, if
not sooner.
If you have registered but have not yet received your credentials package, please check the "attendees" page (http://home.comcast.net/~bcollinsrv7a/eaa/2007_attendees.html) to see if your name is listed. If you cannot find it, please send me an e-mail (do not post it here) at bcollinsrv7a (at) comcast.net.
I am generally able to get the credentials in the mail the next morning so if you
sent yours in more than a week ago, and haven't received anything yet, please
contact me. (Off-list of course)
Likewise, if you registered, you should have received an e-mail confirmation. PayPal
registrants should have received a request for information on what should
go on the ID badges and the names of anyone who will be attending with you(and
please respond to it because I can't mail stuff out until I receive this information).
If you intend to send in your registration by mail, please send me an email to
let me know it's coming and how many will be in your party.
I realize that people will be calling over the next month -- once we reach 350
-- asking if they can come. In the past, we've always said, "yes," but, with 350
people already registered, we really cannot handle 100-150 showing up that
we didn't expect (and, trust me, that's a possibility). We have to buy food for
those we know are coming, not for those we think might show up. That could cost
us thousands to plan the BBQ that way.
It was doable when we had a few dozen people, but not when we're talking hundreds.
We've taken a lot of steps this year to insure a more convenient process of getting
into the BBQ, mostly through required registrations and mailing. So nobody
should have to stand in line to pick up any credentials or make donations or
anything. Your material comes in the mail, you bring it to Oshkosh, you walk
onto the BBQ site, drop the ticket in the tub, put your ID badge and start eating
and talking. Simple.
The key to making this work is going to be us ordering enough food and that's why
we ask for registration and menu choices now, so that we won't have to be
spending the night shuttling back and forth to WalMart to pick up more food and
beverages.
So, again, if you're coming, please let us know in the next 24 hours.
You can find everything you need to register here (http://home.comcast.net/~bcollinsrv7a/eaa/order.html). And you can find the latest updates here (http://home.comcast.net/~bcollinsrv7a/eaa/index.html).
Getting pre-registration wrapped up will allow me time to plan out the logistics
of what volunteers will be doing what where, how the chow line and drink line
will work etc.
If anyone would like to contribute door prizes, we'd be more than happy to accomodate
you.
Oh, and I still need one more propane grill and more coolers. And if anyone is
in Minnesota and can haul some stuff down to Oshkosh (mostly coolers), please
lete me know.
One other thing. It would be great if most of our neighbors were RVers. We'll be
setting up at the spot indicated on the Web site. If anyone wants to camp around
us, it'll give us a bigger "compound" to hold the barbecue.
In the next two weeks, I'll have all the parking and shuttle information posted
(it'll be the same as last year but I'll have more complete instructions). In
short, however, do NOT drive to the campsite. There's no way you can get into
Camp Scholler unless you're staying there and there's no parking at the campsites.
Bring your own chairs and, if the weather looks threatening -- umbrellas.
I am hoping that if I'm not running around too much, we can organize a group photo
and then, after the barbecue, we can provide copies for everyone.
I think that's all I've got.
I can't wait for this. Thanks for coming!
Do not archive
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Bob Collins
St. Paul, Minn.
RV Builder's Hotline (free!)
http://rvhotline.expercraft.com
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| Subject: | Re: Breather run into exhaust (warning again) |
----- Original Message -----
From: Konrad L. Werner
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Breather run into exhaust (warning again)
(WARNING AGAIN & AGAIN, this one is possibly long winded, hopefully
somewhat informative & perhaps entertaining to some)
Hi there George (what is your last name anyway?)
I've got some spare time this afternoon to answer your logic, so here
it goes:
Konrad: Interesting but a few things. I did not say or intend that
the NTSB examples had anything to do with drag race crank evacuation via
exhaust failures or accidents.
>> So why bring them up then? If anyone wants to read any UN-related
NTSB reports about someone elses accidents, then they can do so at will
and at their topics of choice. But you certainly took the time to find
these accident reports, and now you say these reports have nothing to do
with the topic we were discussing... What were you thinking? ...a bit
confused?
In fact these Drag Vents are just NOT done in most cars. It's made for
drag racers with open pipes only.
>> This statement is so absolutely NOT true. They are ALSO used in
drag racers, as well as other efficient performance engines of many
kinds, including aviation engines (can you believe that???) The reason
they are not done in most cars may have more to do with governmentally
implied emission control then anything else.
Now I'm not saying in can't or won't work on a little plane, but my
point of posting the NTSB reports is, if (Big IF) your crank vent gets
blocked for whatever the reason in the exhaust pipe or out of the pipe,
it can be BAD. Agree?
>> I agree that if the crankvent get's blocked then you are in for a
surprise landing. But we were talking about the "improvement" of
breathing, which is the exact opposite of what you are talking about...
Your idea of "Tees" and all kind of stuff just makes me think, why.
KISS principle. You know what that is, Keep It Simple Stupid. Keep it
light, cheap, simpler, quicker to build and easier to maintain......and
so on.
>> One has to be able to get a clear understanding of the idea at
hand. But if it is beyond grasp, then I certainly recommend to follow
your rule: Keep It Simple, Stupid...
I can't see why your idea might not work, but it sounds odd. No
offense it just does not sound right off the top of my head, but it may
be brilliant.
>> I agree with you there, it sure is a brilliant idea! But I don't
think I can take credit for it, as most of what I have learned
throughout live I've highly likely learned from someone else that went
there before me, and I always listen to people smarter then me when it
comes to a subject of interest. But I can certainly understand that the
idea may sound odd to someone not 100% familiar with the intricate
interactive workings of a liquid fueled internal combustion powerplant
that turns flaming hot air into rotational forces. There are operators,
and then there are Mechanics...
Again I am a KISS principle guy. I fly big jets and have an
engineering background, so I appreciate complicated systems and
creativity; its just not needed in my opinion.
>> You fly big jets, yet you believe in KISS??? What is simple about
complex jets? I don't know anything about your engineering background,
nor do I care, but I have seen an aeronautical engineer try to cut a
piece of sheet metal stock with a hacksaw once, and it was extremely
entertaining for us all to watch, although the part became unusable for
the project we worked on, so I made a new one for him. Needless to say,
he did not earn our respect, but he knew his formula's. But his
calculations took longer then for us to build the parts with grass roots
engineering. Therefore, by you having an engineering background of
whatever kind does not impress me much at all, as many people can study
for a test and pass it without ever gaining a clear understanding of the
subject matter at hand. However, I do truly care about the Wilbur's,
Orville's, Ben's, Bob's & Rutan type of engineers. True hands-on
Experimenters, ...not bookworms that hide behind a calculator, pen or
PC.
My motto or mantra is "Build It Per the Plans".
>> Hmmm, question: Who drew the plans, and when? If it was a human
then I'd like to know if it was on a grumpy Monday morning after a great
weekend, or on Friday afternoon just before TGIF... And did they like
their job and get along with their Boss, or were they on their way out
already anyway? But if the person drawing the plans was a good engineer,
then I bet they had to experiment to come up with the final plans.
You have no way you can guarantee your special drag race adapted crank
sucker vent into exhaust deal will never get blocked or fail in some way
you have not thought of.
>> I am not sure where you get the notion that I am into drag racing.
If you would have paid attention then you would have figured out that my
ideas are more about improving overall engine performance while at the
same time making an engine more fuel efficient. I am not interested in
short burst of power, but rather powerful endurance with reliablilty.
About any guarantees: The only thing I care to guarantee you in this
life is that death is pretty much unavoidable, ...and taxes of course.
Again referring to my first sentence, do what you want, it's
experimental.
>> How come you participate on these lists anyway? The term
"Experimental" does not fit you, and you discourage experimenting by
WARNING people about something that you have never done, -nor would ever
do. So how credible are your comments really? How did we ever get to
the moon (and back!!!) or around the world without refueling Voyager?
Hmm...
Performance: Another point (I am just making up), blocking exhaust
pipe flow with a vent may lower engine performance.
>> Does it really? But how would we know for sure? There is just one
way to find out (and it is certainly not your way)...
A 1/2" tube sticking into the exhaust pipe, which is what the
drag-race kits supply, may lower engine performance. You have to drill
that 1/2" hole into the pipe and weld the tube into the exhaust pipe,
that extends a good bit into the exhaust flow. Now in a BIG drag race
header with +3" tubes it may not be a big deal, we have 1.75" dia
exhaust typically. Our smaller pipe with a 1/2" tube extending into it
can't be great for flow, thus HP, at least at high power.
>> This 1/2" tube all-by-itself "may" restrict exhaust flow ever so
slightly, but once this pipe is hooked up for scavenging purposes of the
crankcase, then the resultant overall power-increase more then overcomes
the cost of doing business. The same is true for Turbo- & Superchargers.
Can you imagine the immense exhaust restriction which the turbine wheel
of my Cummins Turbo Diesel poses inside the exhaust stream of my Dodge
Ram. But this allows it to exert energy from an otherwise wasted source
of dirty hot air and then it actually turns this nearly gone energy into
boost to feed that bitchin' motor with compressed air, thereby
increasing its output immensely. And the Cummins boys only found that
out by (dare I say it...) EXPERIMENTING with their engines! Can you
tell that I love my Cummins, ...especially when it is singing under full
boost going uphill whilst accelerating with a heavy load towed behind.
My RV has 4-into-1 with 1.75" pipes going into a 2.25" collector, but
the large collector is mostly outside the airplane. A tube hanging off
the collector outside the cowl would cause drag and look odd. I just
can't see drilling big 1/2" hole into my exhaust pipe, but more power to
you. (no pun intended)
>> You must be kidding me, you actually have 4>1 headers on your plane
and don't use it to create vacuum! That is so sad & even shameful...
Let me know when your RV-4 comes up for sale, as it may be a decent
platform to get started with hotrodding... you know, the dangerous
kind!!! It is never too late to improve that little sucker (no pun
intended either)
Cheers George ATP/CFI-II-ME, MSME, RV4/7, B7375767 (Is that the new
Boeing Triple-Decker?)
Konrad (definitely NOT an ATPCFIIIMEMSMERV4/7B7375767KISS kinda guy).
Now have yourself a nice Sunday, and don't take my opinions too
personal.
Disclaimer: No one should try to modify any engine or its associated
systems, unless they have a clear understanding of the potential
consequences these modifications may result in !!!
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| Subject: | Kudos to Aero Sport Power |
I have been flying my RV-10 since April 5th and I have just finished
flying the test period off. The plane is equipped with an I0-540-D4A5 engine
which I bought from Aero Sport. The engine didn't want to idle very well,
and it also had a rough right mag and an oil leak.
I am fortunate in that I live about 30 minuites flying time from Aero
Sport so I decided to take it over to them to see if they could help me out.
On the first trip, Ted ( chief mech ?)and Brian (one of the partners in
the business) spent about an hour and a half trouble shooting and adjusting
the mixture and idle for me. When they were done, it ran like a Swiss watch
and would idle happily at 500 RPM.
I went home, but found that the mag was still rough during the mag check.
I returned to Aero Sport yesterday and Brian spent another hour
troubleshooting, and had another of the mechanics pull the wiring off the
right mag. Course, I had messed up and one of the spring connectors was
folded over and was not allowing any spark to #1 bottom plug. They replaced
the rubber grommet and reassembled the harness and the mag checked out
perfectly.
During all this time they also chased my oil leak and I think it is fixed.
They refused to give me a bill. NO CHARGE. Folks, this is one classy
company to do business with. Both Sue and Bart came out to take a good look
at the 10. It's the first one in these parts to fly, so the don't see them
often.
A happy customer....
Do Not Archive
Ted French C-FXCS
RV-10 Flying
http://www3.telus.net/elfrench/RV-10_main.htm
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| Subject: | Re: RV- Flight Bags- Review |
Darwin,
Thanks for the great review. We have had an outstanding response to our bags
and so far no negative comments on design or quality. We are coming out with
some other bags in the next few months, so stay tuned..!!
Kurt
"Darwin N. Barrie" <ktlkrn@cox.net> wrote:
I purchased the RV flight bags and chart case from Bison Mountain after
seeing them in my friends 7. Previously, I had all of my essential stuff in
3 of the small tool bags from Sears. Other stuff was in the pocket attached to
the rear of my seats (Flightline Interior).
After getting the flight bags and transferring the stuff I realized I had considerably
more space in the bags to carry more stuff!!!! I set them up so all
of the stuff I might need every flight was in the left bag (chocks, pitot cover,
gust lock etc..). The right bag has tools, fix a flat, tie downs etc...
The bags fit very nicely behind the seats of the side by side models. They are
tapered to match the angle of the seat back. There is no wasted space. My baggage
area is now very neat with much more space. There are many exterior pockets
that are easy accessible for the stuff you use for preflight and other minor
maintenance items.
One of the nice things I really like is the bags are designed with a trough
in the bottom that fits over the flap actuation bar. Setting bags on the bar has
always concerned me about adding a little undue friction on the bar.
There are many ways to set the bags up. You could easily fit everything you need
in one bag and use the other one as your "luggage" for personal stuff. It
would make one bag heavy but could easily be done. They come with shoulder straps
and attachment hardware.
I also purchased the chart bag and am still working on an exact location for
it. I like the betweent the seat location and will likely leave it there.
At first glance the bags seem a little pricey. However these bags are of a very
heavy and durable material. (Not heavy in weight but heavy in gauge) The zippers
are heavy duty as well. The overall quality is well worth the cost. Most
importantly the functionalality of the bags is well worth the price. Definitely
designed for the purpose.
Darwin N. Barrie
Chandler AZ
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I have one more question, How much paint does it take to cover an RV
aircraft?
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I am about to attempt to put on some Epoxy Filler called Superfil that
I bought from Aircraft Spruce.
The question I have is how do I prepare the surface of the aluminum?
I'm afraid to scratch it up with sandpaper like you would do to make
auto body bondo to stick to a car.
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Robin wrote:
> I am about to attempt to put on some Epoxy Filler called Superfil
> that I bought from Aircraft Spruce.
> The question I have is how do I prepare the surface of the
> aluminum? I'm afraid to scratch it up with sandpaper like you would
> do to make auto body bondo to stick to a car.
>
> *
>
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> *
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
I'm doing the tips on my empannage now. That is exactly what you need to
do for good adhesion to the metal. If not, I think that it would peel
off the aluminum skins.
Carlos in AZ
-7A
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Robin, Have at it with the 80 grit sandpaper. You do the same thing with
aluminum. Hard to make yourself do it but thats the way it is.
Mike Robertson
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From: BigMotors@comcast.netTo: RV-List@matronics.comSubject: RV-List: Fille
rDate: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 16:43:00 -0500
I am about to attempt to put on some Epoxy Filler called Superfil that I b
ought from Aircraft Spruce.
The question I have is how do I prepare the surface of the aluminum? I
'm afraid to scratch it up with sandpaper like you would do to make auto bo
dy bondo to stick to a car.
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Rough area because I don't know what your paint scheme is but if you did it
all in one coler it would be between 1.5 to 2 gallons. I repeat this is j
ust a very rough ball park figure.
Mike Robertson
From: BigMotors@comcast.netTo: RV-List@matronics.comSubject: RV-List: Date:
Tue, 12 Jun 2007 16:42:16 -0500
I have one more question, How much paint does it take to cover an RV aircra
ft?
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In most of such coverings the rule is nothing shiny or glossy. I like 150
grit, some prefer 80. Protect the margins with tape, etc. 3 inch minimum
protection. Amazing how abrasives wander about.
dale
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[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 5:43 PM
Subject: RV-List: Filler
I am about to attempt to put on some Epoxy Filler called Superfil that I
bought from Aircraft Spruce.
The question I have is how do I prepare the surface of the aluminum?
I'm afraid to scratch it up with sandpaper like you would do to make auto
body bondo to stick to a car.
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| Subject: | Re: Last call for the RV OSH BBQ |
Bob,
I had written you a few months back, saying that I was tentative for the
BBQ. My friend and I actually not arriving until Thursday, so I guess we're
not going to make it this year.
DD
On 6/12/07, Bob Collins <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
> As of this afternoon, we are at 311 registrants for the Oshkosh BBQ. Based
> on the rate of registrations in the last few weeks, and factoring in the
> number of "neighbors" I would expect to show up (we invite neighbors to eat
> for free), I am anticipating we'll be at the 350 person cut-off by Wednesday
> afternoon, if not sooner.
>
> If you have registered but have not yet received your credentials package,
> please check the "attendees" page (
> http://home.comcast.net/~bcollinsrv7a/eaa/2007_attendees.html) to see if
> your name is listed. If you cannot find it, please send me an e-mail (do not
> post it here) at bcollinsrv7a (at) comcast.net.
>
> I am generally able to get the credentials in the mail the next morning so
> if you sent yours in more than a week ago, and haven't received anything
> yet, please contact me. (Off-list of course)
>
> Likewise, if you registered, you should have received an e-mail
> confirmation. PayPal registrants should have received a request for
> information on what should go on the ID badges and the names of anyone who
> will be attending with you(and please respond to it because I can't mail
> stuff out until I receive this information).
>
> If you intend to send in your registration by mail, please send me an
> email to let me know it's coming and how many will be in your party.
>
> I realize that people will be calling over the next month -- once we reach
> 350 -- asking if they can come. In the past, we've always said, "yes," but,
> with 350 people already registered, we really cannot handle 100-150 showing
> up that we didn't expect (and, trust me, that's a possibility). We have to
> buy food for those we know are coming, not for those we think might show up.
> That could cost us thousands to plan the BBQ that way.
> It was doable when we had a few dozen people, but not when we're talking
> hundreds.
>
> We've taken a lot of steps this year to insure a more convenient
> process of getting into the BBQ, mostly through required registrations and
> mailing. So nobody should have to stand in line to pick up any credentials
> or make donations or anything. Your material comes in the mail, you bring it
> to Oshkosh, you walk onto the BBQ site, drop the ticket in the tub, put your
> ID badge and start eating and talking. Simple.
>
> The key to making this work is going to be us ordering enough food and
> that's why we ask for registration and menu choices now, so that we won't
> have to be spending the night shuttling back and forth to WalMart to pick up
> more food and beverages.
>
> So, again, if you're coming, please let us know in the next 24 hours.
>
> You can find everything you need to register here (
> http://home.comcast.net/~bcollinsrv7a/eaa/order.html). And you can find
> the latest updates here (
> http://home.comcast.net/~bcollinsrv7a/eaa/index.html).
>
> Getting pre-registration wrapped up will allow me time to plan out the
> logistics of what volunteers will be doing what where, how the chow line and
> drink line will work etc.
>
> If anyone would like to contribute door prizes, we'd be more than happy to
> accomodate you.
>
> Oh, and I still need one more propane grill and more coolers. And if
> anyone is in Minnesota and can haul some stuff down to Oshkosh (mostly
> coolers), please lete me know.
>
> One other thing. It would be great if most of our neighbors were RVers.
> We'll be setting up at the spot indicated on the Web site. If anyone wants
> to camp around us, it'll give us a bigger "compound" to hold the barbecue.
>
> In the next two weeks, I'll have all the parking and shuttle information
> posted (it'll be the same as last year but I'll have more complete
> instructions). In short, however, do NOT drive to the campsite. There's no
> way you can get into Camp Scholler unless you're staying there and there's
> no parking at the campsites.
>
> Bring your own chairs and, if the weather looks threatening -- umbrellas.
>
> I am hoping that if I'm not running around too much, we can organize a
> group photo and then, after the barbecue, we can provide copies for
> everyone.
>
> I think that's all I've got.
>
> I can't wait for this. Thanks for coming!
>
> Do not archive
>
> --------
> Bob Collins
> St. Paul, Minn.
> RV Builder's Hotline (free!)
> http://rvhotline.expercraft.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=118080#118080
>
>
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