---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 06/12/07: 27 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:39 AM - Sorry...Better Chart Case Link.. (kirt klevin) 2. 03:50 AM - Re: RV Flight Bags/Better Pictures (kirt klevin) 3. 08:16 AM - RV- Flight Bags- Review (Darwin N. Barrie) 4. 08:50 AM - Aircraft Batteries (Robin) 5. 08:54 AM - Re: Denver to Eugene (Mike Robertson) 6. 09:08 AM - Re: Aircraft Batteries (Konrad L. Werner) 7. 09:30 AM - Re: Aircraft Batteries (Ron Lee) 8. 09:48 AM - Re: RV- Flight Bags- Review (Paul Rice) 9. 09:49 AM - Re: Aircraft Batteries (linn Walters) 10. 10:12 AM - antenna location (Wheeler North) 11. 11:20 AM - Re: Aircraft Batteries (Sam Buchanan) 12. 11:37 AM - Re: Aircraft Batteries (carlos) 13. 11:47 AM - Aircraft Battery (Robin) 14. 12:25 PM - Stuck main wheels (Trevor) 15. 12:38 PM - Re: Aircraft Battery (Sam Buchanan) 16. 12:41 PM - Re: Aircraft Battery (Dale Ensing) 17. 12:55 PM - Last call for the RV OSH BBQ (Bob Collins) 18. 01:09 PM - Re: Breather run into exhaust (warning again) (John Porter) 19. 01:18 PM - Kudos to Aero Sport Power (Ted French) 20. 02:38 PM - Re: RV- Flight Bags- Review (kirt klevin) 21. 02:43 PM - (Robin) 22. 02:43 PM - Filler (Robin) 23. 03:55 PM - Re: Filler (carlos) 24. 03:55 PM - Re: Filler (Mike Robertson) 25. 03:57 PM - Re: (Mike Robertson) 26. 04:12 PM - Re: Filler (Dale Walter) 27. 09:57 PM - Re: Last call for the RV OSH BBQ (David Dalton) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:39:31 AM PST US From: kirt klevin Subject: RV-List: Sorry...Better Chart Case Link.. As a few of you pointed out the chart case link wasn't quite complete....here is the good one... http://s205.photobucket.com/albums/bb290/BisonMountain/RV%20Chart%20Case/ Regards, Kurt --------------------------------- Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:50:12 AM PST US From: kirt klevin Subject: Re: RV-List: RV Flight Bags/Better Pictures Greg/All, The flight bag would be difficult to reach in flight. I have, but only by going over my seat. The chart case is designed to sit on the floor of the cockpit and keep essentials at hand (I keep approach books, charts, hand held, EBIRB, extra batteries, flashlight, kneeboard, checklists, pens, etc in the chart case). I use the larger one (flight bag) for all my survival stuff, tools, extra oil, canopy cover,tiedown items, and preflight equipment (fuel tester, dip sticks, flashlight). I use a second flight bag for my overnight bag when traveling. This leaves much more room for my wifes "important" stuff.....=) Regards, Kurt Greg Williams wrote: Can you reach into these in flight? On 6/11/07, kirt klevin wrote: Thanks to many of you who have ordered our Flight Bags and Chart Cases. I know that a few of you have had trouble viewing the pictures on the photoshack site so I have uploaded them to the Photobucket site which seems to work much better. Flight Bags: http://s205.photobucket.com/albums/bb290/BisonMountain/ Chart Cases: http://s205.photobucket.com/albums/...20Chart%20Case/ (Product Descriptions are attached below) Regards, Kurt OKC,OK RV6A, 165 hours RV Flight Bag Description: Custom RV Flight Bag (Fits RV-6/7/9) This custom flight bag was designed to fit behind the pilots and co-pilots seat of the RV-6/7/9. It fits over the flap actuator bar and makes maximum use of the area behind your seat, keeps the CG as forward as possible and maximizes remaining cargo space. It's 18in high and 12.5in wide. It has a very large main cargo area easily accessible with a large zipper flap. There are two side pockets, one 10" x 4 " and a 7" x 5 1/2 in map pocket. The rear side of the bag has a pencil/flashlight/fuel tester pocket, a 10in x 7in headset pocket, and a 6inx 5 1/4in pocket for small tools. The material and zippers are heavy duty and will last a long time. It has a nice carrying handle and comes with two straps that can be attached to your seat back to clip the bag to your seat to minimize movement. If you are interested in ordering one for your RV drop me a note at BisonMountain@yahoo.com. The cost is $89 ($85 for two or more) plus shipping to your address. Currently the only colors they have are black and gray. Its a nice way to clean up the cargo area and looks Chart Case Product Description: As you know, the key to keeping everything you need within reach in a small cockpit can be a challenge to say the least. Our new Chart Case is designed to fit on the floor, between the pilot and passenger, of your RV or production aircraft. It allows your approach charts, enroute charts, sectionals, WAC's, pencils, flashlights, hand held radios, and other miscellaneous items to be stored in easy reach without having to climb over your seat to reach items in your cargo area. The Chart Case is 10.5 inches long, 8.75 in high, and 4.5 in wide and weighs 1 pound, 4 oz. The main compartment has a durable double zipper that allows full access to the interior. The Chart Case has 410 cubic inches of storage area and comes with a divider that can be adjusted to hold any combination of items. The divider is adjustable to any number of dimensions and will create 2 interior pockets as small as 2 inches on one side and 8 on the other and every dimension in between. The divider can also be removed to make the bag one large compartment. The interior divider and main compartment double zipper also allows one top compartment to remain open for often used items (approach charts), and the remaining compartment zipped closed. The extra portion of the top cover is tucked neatly next to the divider and less used items are out of view and your cockpit will look sharp and organized. .The Chart Case has two side map pockets designed to fit checklists, flight computers, calculators, sectionals, WAC's, and Jeppesen or NOS enroute charts. Both of these pockets have Velcro straps to keep your items locked in while transporting the Chart Case. The rear pocket of the Chart Case has a zippered 4 inch by 6.5 inch pocket for just about anything. The front of the Chart Case has a multi-purpose holder for pens, pencils, smaller flashlights, and fuel strainers. Attached to the front of the case is a durable carrying handle that makes inserting and removing the Chart Case simple. A removable over the shoulder carrying strap is also included. The chart case is made of the same durable Curdura material found in our RV Flight Bags and is also available in grey and black. The Bison Mountain Chart Case sells for $49. Two or more can be purchased for $45 each. If you would like an order form simply email us at: BisonMountain@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. --------------------------------- Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:16:42 AM PST US From: "Darwin N. Barrie" Subject: RV-List: RV- Flight Bags- Review I purchased the RV flight bags and chart case from Bison Mountain after seeing them in my friends 7. Previously, I had all of my essential stuff in 3 of the small tool bags from Sears. Other stuff was in the pocket attached to the rear of my seats (Flightline Interior). After getting the flight bags and transferring the stuff I realized I had considerably more space in the bags to carry more stuff!!!! I set them up so all of the stuff I might need every flight was in the left bag (chocks, pitot cover, gust lock etc..). The right bag has tools, fix a flat, tie downs etc... The bags fit very nicely behind the seats of the side by side models. They are tapered to match the angle of the seat back. There is no wasted space. My baggage area is now very neat with much more space. There are many exterior pockets that are easy accessible for the stuff you use for preflight and other minor maintenance items. One of the nice things I really like is the bags are designed with a trough in the bottom that fits over the flap actuation bar. Setting bags on the bar has always concerned me about adding a little undue friction on the bar. There are many ways to set the bags up. You could easily fit everything you need in one bag and use the other one as your "luggage" for personal stuff. It would make one bag heavy but could easily be done. They come with shoulder straps and attachment hardware. I also purchased the chart bag and am still working on an exact location for it. I like the betweent the seat location and will likely leave it there. At first glance the bags seem a little pricey. However these bags are of a very heavy and durable material. (Not heavy in weight but heavy in gauge) The zippers are heavy duty as well. The overall quality is well worth the cost. Most importantly the functionalality of the bags is well worth the price. Definitely designed for the purpose. Darwin N. Barrie Chandler AZ ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:50:12 AM PST US From: "Robin" Subject: RV-List: Aircraft Batteries I would like to know if a sealed battery like used in a car would be ok for an aircraft. Does anyone know? Has anyone tried to use a sealed car battery in their plane? I have drove up over the mountains as high as 15,000 feet and had no problems with the battery in my car so why not use the same battery in an aircraft? ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:54:01 AM PST US From: Mike Robertson Subject: RE: RV-List: Denver to Eugene Having flown, and lived, in this area for quite some time I whole-heartly c oncur with David on taking I-90 across Wyoming. But seeing as how you are going to Eugene there is an alternative. From western Wyoming you can inte rcept I-84 in eastern Idaho and basically follow it all the way through the Columbia Gorge to Portland, then hang a left down the valley to Eugene. I f the weather is exceptional you could cut straight across from Baker City in Eastern Oregon to Bend, OR, then a very quick hope across the Cascades t o Eugene. Eastern Oregon is somewhat sparely populated but there are sever al available stops for fuel between Baker City and Bend. Mike Robertson Repeat Offender From: dmaib@mac.comSubject: Re: RV-List: Denver to EugeneDate: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 22:24:04 -0500To: rv-list@matronics.comJim, My wife and I took our elderly Bonanza to Oregon/Washington from Ft. Collin s, CO two years ago. I planned the heck out of the trip and talked to folks who had lots of experience over that route in light aircraft. We headed NN W out of Ft. Collins and intercepted Interstate 90 up in Wyoming and follow ed it all the way to Washington. Sorry I don't have a chart with me, so can not tell you exactly where. We were blessed with excellent weather both way s. I am a very experienced IFR pilot, but would have been very reluctant to go IFR on some of the route due to high MEA/MOCA. I was able to get radar flight following almost all of the way at altitudes of 8500 to 10,500. We d id carry and use supplemental oxygen for the higher altitudes. I cannot re member the order of the places we stopped for fuel without a map, but I kno w that on the outbound and the inbound trips we stopped at Butte, Bozeman, and another one or two that I cannot remember right now. As I recall, the h ighest pass on I-90 is around 7000 feet. Get some mountain flying instructi on if you can. If not, get a good book on the subject and remain cautious, as you seem to be. It was the trip of a lifetime for my wife and I. Two wee ks of wondering around the Pacific NW with no particular schedule. Have fun! David Maib RV-10 40559 Wings On Jun 11, 2007, at 8:54 PM, JVanLaak@aol.com wrote: Listers, I will be taking the family on our first trip through the Northwest by ligh t plane and would appreciate your wisdom on the route and maybe a place or two to stop. Although I have a lovely RV-6 this trip needs three seats and is in a Comanche 250. We are actually starting out in Hampton VA, but the flight across the plain s is a no brainer. What concerns me is leaving out of Boulder, CO and land ing at Eugene, OR. We can make about 150 knots and should be able to handl e the altitude without trouble, but I do worry about winds and other mounta in hazards. Your advice about routes to stay near the main highways, good gas stops, and any other wisdom is appreciated. I am an Air Force trained jet jocky but am very respectful of the hazards of being down among 'em and know enough to ask for advice. Thanks in advance and please reply off list. Do not archive. Jim Van Laak RV-6 N79RL See what's free at AOL.com. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.co m/Navigator?RV-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com _________________________________________________________________ With Windows Live Hotmail, you can personalize your inbox with your favorit e color. www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/personalize.html?locale=en-us&ocid =TXT_TAGLM_HMWL_reten_addcolor_0607 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:08:37 AM PST US From: "Konrad L. Werner" Subject: Re: RV-List: Aircraft Batteries Just curious, what is the weight of this car battery when compared to an A/C Battery? do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Robin To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 9:46 AM Subject: RV-List: Aircraft Batteries I would like to know if a sealed battery like used in a car would be ok for an aircraft. Does anyone know? Has anyone tried to use a sealed car battery in their plane? I have drove up over the mountains as high as 15,000 feet and had no problems with the battery in my car so why not use the same battery in an aircraft? ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:30:35 AM PST US From: "Ron Lee" Subject: Re: RV-List: Aircraft Batteries I use the Odyssey battery in my plane (RV-6A) Ron Lee ----- Original Message ----- From: Robin To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 9:46 AM Subject: RV-List: Aircraft Batteries I would like to know if a sealed battery like used in a car would be ok for an aircraft. Does anyone know? Has anyone tried to use a sealed car battery in their plane? I have drove up over the mountains as high as 15,000 feet and had no problems with the battery in my car so why not use the same battery in an aircraft? ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:48:47 AM PST US From: "Paul Rice" Subject: Re: RV-List: RV- Flight Bags- Review Hey Darwin, I notice you said you put fix a flat in your tool bag. I would not recommend using that in your plane as I have heard it can and has caused a very out of balance tire which can cause consideral damage to your aircraft on landing. Good flying, Paul Rice RV8 flying, 12 hours ----- Original Message ----- From: Darwin N. Barrie To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 10:13 AM Subject: RV-List: RV- Flight Bags- Review I purchased the RV flight bags and chart case from Bison Mountain after seeing them in my friends 7. Previously, I had all of my essential stuff in 3 of the small tool bags from Sears. Other stuff was in the pocket attached to the rear of my seats (Flightline Interior). After getting the flight bags and transferring the stuff I realized I had considerably more space in the bags to carry more stuff!!!! I set them up so all of the stuff I might need every flight was in the left bag (chocks, pitot cover, gust lock etc..). The right bag has tools, fix a flat, tie downs etc... The bags fit very nicely behind the seats of the side by side models. They are tapered to match the angle of the seat back. There is no wasted space. My baggage area is now very neat with much more space. There are many exterior pockets that are easy accessible for the stuff you use for preflight and other minor maintenance items. One of the nice things I really like is the bags are designed with a trough in the bottom that fits over the flap actuation bar. Setting bags on the bar has always concerned me about adding a little undue friction on the bar. There are many ways to set the bags up. You could easily fit everything you need in one bag and use the other one as your "luggage" for personal stuff. It would make one bag heavy but could easily be done. They come with shoulder straps and attachment hardware. I also purchased the chart bag and am still working on an exact location for it. I like the betweent the seat location and will likely leave it there. At first glance the bags seem a little pricey. However these bags are of a very heavy and durable material. (Not heavy in weight but heavy in gauge) The zippers are heavy duty as well. The overall quality is well worth the cost. Most importantly the functionalality of the bags is well worth the price. Definitely designed for the purpose. Darwin N. Barrie Chandler AZ http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:49:28 AM PST US From: linn Walters Subject: Re: RV-List: Aircraft Batteries No reason that I know of. Linn do not archive Robin wrote: > I would like to know if a sealed battery like used in a car would be > ok for an aircraft. > Does anyone know? > Has anyone tried to use a sealed car battery in their plane? > I have drove up over the mountains as high as 15,000 feet and had no > problems with the battery in my car so why not use the same battery in > an aircraft? > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:12:21 AM PST US From: "Wheeler North" Subject: RV-List: antenna location I would avoid getting an antenna too close to the prop. I've done this mistake more than once under an aircraft with belly mounts; it would make for some odd behavior with comm. antennas. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:20:34 AM PST US From: Sam Buchanan Subject: Re: RV-List: Aircraft Batteries Robin wrote: > I would like to know if a sealed battery like used in a car would be > ok for an aircraft. Does anyone know? Has anyone tried to use a > sealed car battery in their plane? I have drove up over the mountains > as high as 15,000 feet and had no problems with the battery in my car > so why not use the same battery in an aircraft? Robin, a sealed automotive battery should function fine in an aircraft but the main advantage of the Odyssey batteries is their big cranking capacity combined with relatively light weight and small package. I first had the Concorde RG 25 in my RV-6, but now have the Odyssey 680 because it is smaller, lighter, and just as powerful. It can also be mounted in any position except upside down. Sam Buchanan http://thervjournal.com ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:37:47 AM PST US From: carlos Subject: Re: RV-List: Aircraft Batteries Ron Lee wrote: > I use the Odyssey battery in my plane (RV-6A) > > Ron Lee > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Robin > *To:* rv-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 12, 2007 9:46 AM > *Subject:* RV-List: Aircraft Batteries > > I would like to know if a sealed battery like used in a car would > be ok for an aircraft. > Does anyone know? > Has anyone tried to use a sealed car battery in their plane? > I have drove up over the mountains as high as 15,000 feet and had > no problems with the battery in my car so why not use the same > battery in an aircraft? > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > * > > * > > > * > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Sealed Odyssey PC680 for my PL-1 and I'll be using one for my -7A. 15 lbs and plenty of power. Carlos in AZ ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:47:24 AM PST US From: "Robin" Subject: RV-List: Aircraft Battery I thank everyone for helping me with this battery issue. I will get an Odyssey battery because of it's light weight and it is safer in case of breakage. I'll just have to suffer the extra cost knowing it is for a good cause. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:25:19 PM PST US From: "Trevor" Subject: RV-List: Stuck main wheels Today I fitted the main wheels to the axle on my -7. The left went on and off no problem, however the right went on ok but would not come off, no matter how much tugging and thumping. It seems as tho the bearing is catching on the threads. Gets so far but will not budge any further ( with the spacer there is about 1/4" of thread showing) The disturbing part is that it comes fairly easily to this point, then there is a definate "clunk" (like hitting a stop). I have tried putting on the nut and tightening it all up, hoping that it might re-align the bearing but to no avail. Nut goes on smoothly, shaft was sanded and greased beforehand. The cotter pin hole has not been drilled. Quite a mystery! Will undo the circlip tomorrow and try and coax the bearing out but if anyone has any better ideas I would appreciate hearing them. Thanks Trevor Davis - South Africa ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:38:27 PM PST US From: Sam Buchanan Subject: Re: RV-List: Aircraft Battery Robin wrote: > I thank everyone for helping me with this battery issue. I will get > an Odyssey battery because of it's light weight and it is safer in > case of breakage. I'll just have to suffer the extra cost knowing it > is for a good cause. Oh.....so you weren't asking about a true "sealed" automotive battery but a wet battery. I definitely would not recommend any battery that contains liquid electrolyte...aircraft, automotive, or otherwise. You made a good choice with the Odyssey. If you want to save some money, and you will be operating in a mild climate, you might consider one of the sealed "generic" batteries: http://thervjournal.com/battery.htm Enjoy your RV-3! Sam Buchanan ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:41:05 PM PST US From: "Dale Ensing" Subject: Re: RV-List: Aircraft Battery Robin, Do a little shopping online.I purchased my Odyssey 680 on line for about $70 and $4 shipping. Dale Ensing do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Robin To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 2:46 PM Subject: RV-List: Aircraft Battery I thank everyone for helping me with this battery issue. I will get an Odyssey battery because of it's light weight and it is safer in case of breakage. I'll just have to suffer the extra cost knowing it is for a good cause. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:55:47 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: Last call for the RV OSH BBQ From: "Bob Collins" As of this afternoon, we are at 311 registrants for the Oshkosh BBQ. Based on the rate of registrations in the last few weeks, and factoring in the number of "neighbors" I would expect to show up (we invite neighbors to eat for free), I am anticipating we'll be at the 350 person cut-off by Wednesday afternoon, if not sooner. If you have registered but have not yet received your credentials package, please check the "attendees" page (http://home.comcast.net/~bcollinsrv7a/eaa/2007_attendees.html) to see if your name is listed. If you cannot find it, please send me an e-mail (do not post it here) at bcollinsrv7a (at) comcast.net. I am generally able to get the credentials in the mail the next morning so if you sent yours in more than a week ago, and haven't received anything yet, please contact me. (Off-list of course) Likewise, if you registered, you should have received an e-mail confirmation. PayPal registrants should have received a request for information on what should go on the ID badges and the names of anyone who will be attending with you(and please respond to it because I can't mail stuff out until I receive this information). If you intend to send in your registration by mail, please send me an email to let me know it's coming and how many will be in your party. I realize that people will be calling over the next month -- once we reach 350 -- asking if they can come. In the past, we've always said, "yes," but, with 350 people already registered, we really cannot handle 100-150 showing up that we didn't expect (and, trust me, that's a possibility). We have to buy food for those we know are coming, not for those we think might show up. That could cost us thousands to plan the BBQ that way. It was doable when we had a few dozen people, but not when we're talking hundreds. We've taken a lot of steps this year to insure a more convenient process of getting into the BBQ, mostly through required registrations and mailing. So nobody should have to stand in line to pick up any credentials or make donations or anything. Your material comes in the mail, you bring it to Oshkosh, you walk onto the BBQ site, drop the ticket in the tub, put your ID badge and start eating and talking. Simple. The key to making this work is going to be us ordering enough food and that's why we ask for registration and menu choices now, so that we won't have to be spending the night shuttling back and forth to WalMart to pick up more food and beverages. So, again, if you're coming, please let us know in the next 24 hours. You can find everything you need to register here (http://home.comcast.net/~bcollinsrv7a/eaa/order.html). And you can find the latest updates here (http://home.comcast.net/~bcollinsrv7a/eaa/index.html). Getting pre-registration wrapped up will allow me time to plan out the logistics of what volunteers will be doing what where, how the chow line and drink line will work etc. If anyone would like to contribute door prizes, we'd be more than happy to accomodate you. Oh, and I still need one more propane grill and more coolers. And if anyone is in Minnesota and can haul some stuff down to Oshkosh (mostly coolers), please lete me know. One other thing. It would be great if most of our neighbors were RVers. We'll be setting up at the spot indicated on the Web site. If anyone wants to camp around us, it'll give us a bigger "compound" to hold the barbecue. In the next two weeks, I'll have all the parking and shuttle information posted (it'll be the same as last year but I'll have more complete instructions). In short, however, do NOT drive to the campsite. There's no way you can get into Camp Scholler unless you're staying there and there's no parking at the campsites. Bring your own chairs and, if the weather looks threatening -- umbrellas. I am hoping that if I'm not running around too much, we can organize a group photo and then, after the barbecue, we can provide copies for everyone. I think that's all I've got. I can't wait for this. Thanks for coming! Do not archive -------- Bob Collins St. Paul, Minn. RV Builder's Hotline (free!) http://rvhotline.expercraft.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=118080#118080 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:09:34 PM PST US From: "John Porter" Subject: Re: RV-List: Breather run into exhaust (warning again) ----- Original Message ----- From: Konrad L. Werner To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 3:22 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Breather run into exhaust (warning again) (WARNING AGAIN & AGAIN, this one is possibly long winded, hopefully somewhat informative & perhaps entertaining to some) Hi there George (what is your last name anyway?) I've got some spare time this afternoon to answer your logic, so here it goes: Konrad: Interesting but a few things. I did not say or intend that the NTSB examples had anything to do with drag race crank evacuation via exhaust failures or accidents. >> So why bring them up then? If anyone wants to read any UN-related NTSB reports about someone elses accidents, then they can do so at will and at their topics of choice. But you certainly took the time to find these accident reports, and now you say these reports have nothing to do with the topic we were discussing... What were you thinking? ...a bit confused? In fact these Drag Vents are just NOT done in most cars. It's made for drag racers with open pipes only. >> This statement is so absolutely NOT true. They are ALSO used in drag racers, as well as other efficient performance engines of many kinds, including aviation engines (can you believe that???) The reason they are not done in most cars may have more to do with governmentally implied emission control then anything else. Now I'm not saying in can't or won't work on a little plane, but my point of posting the NTSB reports is, if (Big IF) your crank vent gets blocked for whatever the reason in the exhaust pipe or out of the pipe, it can be BAD. Agree? >> I agree that if the crankvent get's blocked then you are in for a surprise landing. But we were talking about the "improvement" of breathing, which is the exact opposite of what you are talking about... Your idea of "Tees" and all kind of stuff just makes me think, why. KISS principle. You know what that is, Keep It Simple Stupid. Keep it light, cheap, simpler, quicker to build and easier to maintain......and so on. >> One has to be able to get a clear understanding of the idea at hand. But if it is beyond grasp, then I certainly recommend to follow your rule: Keep It Simple, Stupid... I can't see why your idea might not work, but it sounds odd. No offense it just does not sound right off the top of my head, but it may be brilliant. >> I agree with you there, it sure is a brilliant idea! But I don't think I can take credit for it, as most of what I have learned throughout live I've highly likely learned from someone else that went there before me, and I always listen to people smarter then me when it comes to a subject of interest. But I can certainly understand that the idea may sound odd to someone not 100% familiar with the intricate interactive workings of a liquid fueled internal combustion powerplant that turns flaming hot air into rotational forces. There are operators, and then there are Mechanics... Again I am a KISS principle guy. I fly big jets and have an engineering background, so I appreciate complicated systems and creativity; its just not needed in my opinion. >> You fly big jets, yet you believe in KISS??? What is simple about complex jets? I don't know anything about your engineering background, nor do I care, but I have seen an aeronautical engineer try to cut a piece of sheet metal stock with a hacksaw once, and it was extremely entertaining for us all to watch, although the part became unusable for the project we worked on, so I made a new one for him. Needless to say, he did not earn our respect, but he knew his formula's. But his calculations took longer then for us to build the parts with grass roots engineering. Therefore, by you having an engineering background of whatever kind does not impress me much at all, as many people can study for a test and pass it without ever gaining a clear understanding of the subject matter at hand. However, I do truly care about the Wilbur's, Orville's, Ben's, Bob's & Rutan type of engineers. True hands-on Experimenters, ...not bookworms that hide behind a calculator, pen or PC. My motto or mantra is "Build It Per the Plans". >> Hmmm, question: Who drew the plans, and when? If it was a human then I'd like to know if it was on a grumpy Monday morning after a great weekend, or on Friday afternoon just before TGIF... And did they like their job and get along with their Boss, or were they on their way out already anyway? But if the person drawing the plans was a good engineer, then I bet they had to experiment to come up with the final plans. You have no way you can guarantee your special drag race adapted crank sucker vent into exhaust deal will never get blocked or fail in some way you have not thought of. >> I am not sure where you get the notion that I am into drag racing. If you would have paid attention then you would have figured out that my ideas are more about improving overall engine performance while at the same time making an engine more fuel efficient. I am not interested in short burst of power, but rather powerful endurance with reliablilty. About any guarantees: The only thing I care to guarantee you in this life is that death is pretty much unavoidable, ...and taxes of course. Again referring to my first sentence, do what you want, it's experimental. >> How come you participate on these lists anyway? The term "Experimental" does not fit you, and you discourage experimenting by WARNING people about something that you have never done, -nor would ever do. So how credible are your comments really? How did we ever get to the moon (and back!!!) or around the world without refueling Voyager? Hmm... Performance: Another point (I am just making up), blocking exhaust pipe flow with a vent may lower engine performance. >> Does it really? But how would we know for sure? There is just one way to find out (and it is certainly not your way)... A 1/2" tube sticking into the exhaust pipe, which is what the drag-race kits supply, may lower engine performance. You have to drill that 1/2" hole into the pipe and weld the tube into the exhaust pipe, that extends a good bit into the exhaust flow. Now in a BIG drag race header with +3" tubes it may not be a big deal, we have 1.75" dia exhaust typically. Our smaller pipe with a 1/2" tube extending into it can't be great for flow, thus HP, at least at high power. >> This 1/2" tube all-by-itself "may" restrict exhaust flow ever so slightly, but once this pipe is hooked up for scavenging purposes of the crankcase, then the resultant overall power-increase more then overcomes the cost of doing business. The same is true for Turbo- & Superchargers. Can you imagine the immense exhaust restriction which the turbine wheel of my Cummins Turbo Diesel poses inside the exhaust stream of my Dodge Ram. But this allows it to exert energy from an otherwise wasted source of dirty hot air and then it actually turns this nearly gone energy into boost to feed that bitchin' motor with compressed air, thereby increasing its output immensely. And the Cummins boys only found that out by (dare I say it...) EXPERIMENTING with their engines! Can you tell that I love my Cummins, ...especially when it is singing under full boost going uphill whilst accelerating with a heavy load towed behind. My RV has 4-into-1 with 1.75" pipes going into a 2.25" collector, but the large collector is mostly outside the airplane. A tube hanging off the collector outside the cowl would cause drag and look odd. I just can't see drilling big 1/2" hole into my exhaust pipe, but more power to you. (no pun intended) >> You must be kidding me, you actually have 4>1 headers on your plane and don't use it to create vacuum! That is so sad & even shameful... Let me know when your RV-4 comes up for sale, as it may be a decent platform to get started with hotrodding... you know, the dangerous kind!!! It is never too late to improve that little sucker (no pun intended either) Cheers George ATP/CFI-II-ME, MSME, RV4/7, B7375767 (Is that the new Boeing Triple-Decker?) Konrad (definitely NOT an ATPCFIIIMEMSMERV4/7B7375767KISS kinda guy). Now have yourself a nice Sunday, and don't take my opinions too personal. Disclaimer: No one should try to modify any engine or its associated systems, unless they have a clear understanding of the potential consequences these modifications may result in !!! ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:18:05 PM PST US From: "Ted French" Subject: RV-List: Kudos to Aero Sport Power I have been flying my RV-10 since April 5th and I have just finished flying the test period off. The plane is equipped with an I0-540-D4A5 engine which I bought from Aero Sport. The engine didn't want to idle very well, and it also had a rough right mag and an oil leak. I am fortunate in that I live about 30 minuites flying time from Aero Sport so I decided to take it over to them to see if they could help me out. On the first trip, Ted ( chief mech ?)and Brian (one of the partners in the business) spent about an hour and a half trouble shooting and adjusting the mixture and idle for me. When they were done, it ran like a Swiss watch and would idle happily at 500 RPM. I went home, but found that the mag was still rough during the mag check. I returned to Aero Sport yesterday and Brian spent another hour troubleshooting, and had another of the mechanics pull the wiring off the right mag. Course, I had messed up and one of the spring connectors was folded over and was not allowing any spark to #1 bottom plug. They replaced the rubber grommet and reassembled the harness and the mag checked out perfectly. During all this time they also chased my oil leak and I think it is fixed. They refused to give me a bill. NO CHARGE. Folks, this is one classy company to do business with. Both Sue and Bart came out to take a good look at the 10. It's the first one in these parts to fly, so the don't see them often. A happy customer.... Do Not Archive Ted French C-FXCS RV-10 Flying http://www3.telus.net/elfrench/RV-10_main.htm ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 02:38:35 PM PST US From: kirt klevin Subject: Re: RV-List: RV- Flight Bags- Review Darwin, Thanks for the great review. We have had an outstanding response to our bags and so far no negative comments on design or quality. We are coming out with some other bags in the next few months, so stay tuned..!! Kurt "Darwin N. Barrie" wrote: I purchased the RV flight bags and chart case from Bison Mountain after seeing them in my friends 7. Previously, I had all of my essential stuff in 3 of the small tool bags from Sears. Other stuff was in the pocket attached to the rear of my seats (Flightline Interior). After getting the flight bags and transferring the stuff I realized I had considerably more space in the bags to carry more stuff!!!! I set them up so all of the stuff I might need every flight was in the left bag (chocks, pitot cover, gust lock etc..). The right bag has tools, fix a flat, tie downs etc... The bags fit very nicely behind the seats of the side by side models. They are tapered to match the angle of the seat back. There is no wasted space. My baggage area is now very neat with much more space. There are many exterior pockets that are easy accessible for the stuff you use for preflight and other minor maintenance items. One of the nice things I really like is the bags are designed with a trough in the bottom that fits over the flap actuation bar. Setting bags on the bar has always concerned me about adding a little undue friction on the bar. There are many ways to set the bags up. You could easily fit everything you need in one bag and use the other one as your "luggage" for personal stuff. It would make one bag heavy but could easily be done. They come with shoulder straps and attachment hardware. I also purchased the chart bag and am still working on an exact location for it. I like the betweent the seat location and will likely leave it there. At first glance the bags seem a little pricey. However these bags are of a very heavy and durable material. (Not heavy in weight but heavy in gauge) The zippers are heavy duty as well. The overall quality is well worth the cost. Most importantly the functionalality of the bags is well worth the price. Definitely designed for the purpose. Darwin N. Barrie Chandler AZ --------------------------------- Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 02:43:05 PM PST US From: "Robin" Subject: RV-List: I have one more question, How much paint does it take to cover an RV aircraft? ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 02:43:53 PM PST US From: "Robin" Subject: RV-List: Filler I am about to attempt to put on some Epoxy Filler called Superfil that I bought from Aircraft Spruce. The question I have is how do I prepare the surface of the aluminum? I'm afraid to scratch it up with sandpaper like you would do to make auto body bondo to stick to a car. ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:55:43 PM PST US From: carlos Subject: Re: RV-List: Filler Robin wrote: > I am about to attempt to put on some Epoxy Filler called Superfil > that I bought from Aircraft Spruce. > The question I have is how do I prepare the surface of the > aluminum? I'm afraid to scratch it up with sandpaper like you would > do to make auto body bondo to stick to a car. > > * > > > * > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > I'm doing the tips on my empannage now. That is exactly what you need to do for good adhesion to the metal. If not, I think that it would peel off the aluminum skins. Carlos in AZ -7A ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 03:55:43 PM PST US From: Mike Robertson Subject: RE: RV-List: Filler Robin, Have at it with the 80 grit sandpaper. You do the same thing with aluminum. Hard to make yourself do it but thats the way it is. Mike Robertson Repeat Offender From: BigMotors@comcast.netTo: RV-List@matronics.comSubject: RV-List: Fille rDate: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 16:43:00 -0500 I am about to attempt to put on some Epoxy Filler called Superfil that I b ought from Aircraft Spruce. The question I have is how do I prepare the surface of the aluminum? I 'm afraid to scratch it up with sandpaper like you would do to make auto bo dy bondo to stick to a car. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail to go? Get your Hotmail, news, sports and much more! Check out the New MSN Mobile! http://mobile.msn.com ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 03:57:52 PM PST US From: Mike Robertson Subject: RE: RV-List: Rough area because I don't know what your paint scheme is but if you did it all in one coler it would be between 1.5 to 2 gallons. I repeat this is j ust a very rough ball park figure. Mike Robertson From: BigMotors@comcast.netTo: RV-List@matronics.comSubject: RV-List: Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 16:42:16 -0500 I have one more question, How much paint does it take to cover an RV aircra ft? _________________________________________________________________ Make every IM count. Download Windows Live Messenger and join the i=92m Ini tiative now. It=92s free.-- http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGWL_June07 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 04:12:48 PM PST US From: "Dale Walter" Subject: RE: RV-List: Filler In most of such coverings the rule is nothing shiny or glossy. I like 150 grit, some prefer 80. Protect the margins with tape, etc. 3 inch minimum protection. Amazing how abrasives wander about. dale _____ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 5:43 PM Subject: RV-List: Filler I am about to attempt to put on some Epoxy Filler called Superfil that I bought from Aircraft Spruce. The question I have is how do I prepare the surface of the aluminum? I'm afraid to scratch it up with sandpaper like you would do to make auto body bondo to stick to a car. ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 09:57:23 PM PST US From: "David Dalton" Subject: Re: RV-List: Last call for the RV OSH BBQ Bob, I had written you a few months back, saying that I was tentative for the BBQ. My friend and I actually not arriving until Thursday, so I guess we're not going to make it this year. DD On 6/12/07, Bob Collins wrote: > > > As of this afternoon, we are at 311 registrants for the Oshkosh BBQ. Based > on the rate of registrations in the last few weeks, and factoring in the > number of "neighbors" I would expect to show up (we invite neighbors to eat > for free), I am anticipating we'll be at the 350 person cut-off by Wednesday > afternoon, if not sooner. > > If you have registered but have not yet received your credentials package, > please check the "attendees" page ( > http://home.comcast.net/~bcollinsrv7a/eaa/2007_attendees.html) to see if > your name is listed. If you cannot find it, please send me an e-mail (do not > post it here) at bcollinsrv7a (at) comcast.net. > > I am generally able to get the credentials in the mail the next morning so > if you sent yours in more than a week ago, and haven't received anything > yet, please contact me. (Off-list of course) > > Likewise, if you registered, you should have received an e-mail > confirmation. PayPal registrants should have received a request for > information on what should go on the ID badges and the names of anyone who > will be attending with you(and please respond to it because I can't mail > stuff out until I receive this information). > > If you intend to send in your registration by mail, please send me an > email to let me know it's coming and how many will be in your party. > > I realize that people will be calling over the next month -- once we reach > 350 -- asking if they can come. In the past, we've always said, "yes," but, > with 350 people already registered, we really cannot handle 100-150 showing > up that we didn't expect (and, trust me, that's a possibility). We have to > buy food for those we know are coming, not for those we think might show up. > That could cost us thousands to plan the BBQ that way. > It was doable when we had a few dozen people, but not when we're talking > hundreds. > > We've taken a lot of steps this year to insure a more convenient > process of getting into the BBQ, mostly through required registrations and > mailing. So nobody should have to stand in line to pick up any credentials > or make donations or anything. Your material comes in the mail, you bring it > to Oshkosh, you walk onto the BBQ site, drop the ticket in the tub, put your > ID badge and start eating and talking. Simple. > > The key to making this work is going to be us ordering enough food and > that's why we ask for registration and menu choices now, so that we won't > have to be spending the night shuttling back and forth to WalMart to pick up > more food and beverages. > > So, again, if you're coming, please let us know in the next 24 hours. > > You can find everything you need to register here ( > http://home.comcast.net/~bcollinsrv7a/eaa/order.html). And you can find > the latest updates here ( > http://home.comcast.net/~bcollinsrv7a/eaa/index.html). > > Getting pre-registration wrapped up will allow me time to plan out the > logistics of what volunteers will be doing what where, how the chow line and > drink line will work etc. > > If anyone would like to contribute door prizes, we'd be more than happy to > accomodate you. > > Oh, and I still need one more propane grill and more coolers. And if > anyone is in Minnesota and can haul some stuff down to Oshkosh (mostly > coolers), please lete me know. > > One other thing. It would be great if most of our neighbors were RVers. > We'll be setting up at the spot indicated on the Web site. If anyone wants > to camp around us, it'll give us a bigger "compound" to hold the barbecue. > > In the next two weeks, I'll have all the parking and shuttle information > posted (it'll be the same as last year but I'll have more complete > instructions). In short, however, do NOT drive to the campsite. There's no > way you can get into Camp Scholler unless you're staying there and there's > no parking at the campsites. > > Bring your own chairs and, if the weather looks threatening -- umbrellas. > > I am hoping that if I'm not running around too much, we can organize a > group photo and then, after the barbecue, we can provide copies for > everyone. > > I think that's all I've got. > > I can't wait for this. Thanks for coming! > > Do not archive > > -------- > Bob Collins > St. Paul, Minn. > RV Builder's Hotline (free!) > http://rvhotline.expercraft.com > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=118080#118080 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.