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4. 07:55 AM - Re: Garmin Foretrex 101 (Hopperdhh@aol.com)
5. 06:37 PM - Re: Re: Breather run into exhaust (warning again) ()
6. 07:37 PM - Re: Re: Breather run into exhaust (warning again) (Konrad L. Werner)
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin Foretrex 101 |
The ALDI stores
Ken
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave" <dave@coltnet.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 1:27 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Garmin Foretrex 101
>
> Where is everyone finding the 50 dollar garmin fortrex 101?
>
> Dave
> DNA
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Garmin Foretrex 101 |
Since there seems to be some interest on the list, I'll forward an email I
sent off-list to Ken yesterday. I tried the software downloaded from the 2nd
link and it seems to work with the Foretrex. I think the Foretrex 101 and 201
use the same software, not sure though.
A serial cable can be fabricated with off the shelf parts -- a 2.5 mm plug
and a DE9S that fits the computer's 9 pin serial port.
Ken,
The only bad thing is that the antenna is built into the Foretrex so it is
not very convenient for panel mounting. The receiver is very sensitive. I had
it on my wrist and even without paying attention to where my hand was, it kept
working.
You can make the serial cable yourself. I used a plug and cable from a
telephone headset that my wife doesn't use anymore. (That sounds bad doesn't it?)
Anyway, a 2.5 mm stereo plug is a standard thing probably available at Radio
Shack. The 9 pin serial connector is also a standard item. The tip goes to
pin 2, the ring to pin 3, and the body to pin 5.
Here are a couple of web sites to look at also. I haven't tried the software
yet.
http://wa8lmf.net/ForeTrex/index.htm
http://www.gpsinformation.org/ronh/g7towin.htm
Dan
In a message dated 6/13/2007 6:15:40 PM Eastern Standard Time,
arno7452@bellsouth.net writes:
Dan,
Per Garmin support, the software "MapSource Trip and WayPoint Manager" can
be used to upload the Lat/Longs. I need to find someone with software to
ensure it will do this easily. Then buy the software. It costs about $30.
The serial cable costs about $15 so for total of about $100 we may have a
nice GPS unit. Hope it works in my 701!
Regards,
Ken Arnold
----- Original Message -----
From: <Hopperdhh@aol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Garmin Foretrex 101
>
> Ken,
>
> That would have been me. $50 -- what a bargain! I would be interested in
> knowing if anyone else on the list found one even for $60. I was told
> that one
> guy bought out a store in central Indiana. Maybe those will show up on
> ebay.
> No, it wasn't me.
>
> You won't be disappointed. As you said, you can also enter the lat/lon
> manually. This is available online from Airnav.com, or from the Airport
> Directory
> book. It will hold 500 waypoints (airports, etc.). I am going to try to
> download waypoints into mine, but it may take me a while to do it.
>
> As a matter of interest I found on the bench that the serial port
> functions
> in NMEA (for driving a Navaid autopilot -- not tried yet), but you have to
> apply a voltage to data in (ring of the 2.5 mm plug) to power up the
> serial port.
> This voltage can be as little as 5 volts and can be either polarity.
> Also,
> the battery negative is common to the ground of the jack (meaning that an
> external power supply could be substituted) and the unit draws about 60 mA
> at 3
> volts. I didn't realize that AAA batteries had that much capacity -- to
> supply
> 60 mA for 15 hours.
>
> Good luck on getting the CH701 flying soon.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dan Hopper
> RV-7A
>
> do not archive
>
>
> In a message dated 6/13/2007 3:59:11 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> arno7452@bellsouth.net writes:
> Dear Listers,
> Someone on the Zenith list or RV list purchased subject GPS from ALDI for
> about $60. I drove to neighboring town and found one at the ALDI store
> there for
> $50. It was their last unit.
>
> It is an interesting unit and can be adapted for flying. It does not have
> airport database so routing has to be entered manually or input by
> actually
> being on site. I plan on trying it out by flying to neighboring airports
> and
> entering its respective location.
>
> My thoughts on the unit will be made in a few months. At the price, it
> has
> to have some value for certain missions.
> Regards,
> Ken Arnold
> Pikeville, NC
> CH701 75% 912ULS
>
> do not archive
>
>
> ************************************** See what's free at
> http://www.aol.com.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin Foretrex 101 |
Dan,
What does the screen(file) look like when you download from the GPS? Does
it look easy to generate waypoints on the PC and then upload to the GPS?
I have the software loaded on my PC but can't visualize the file format.
Can you make a file and attach it to e-mail so I can take a look?
Many thanks, you are breaking a nice trail.
Ken
----- Original Message -----
From: <Hopperdhh@aol.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 7:50 AM
Subject: RV-List: Garmin Foretrex 101
>
> Since there seems to be some interest on the list, I'll forward an email I
> sent off-list to Ken yesterday. I tried the software downloaded from the
> 2nd
> link and it seems to work with the Foretrex. I think the Foretrex 101 and
> 201
> use the same software, not sure though.
>
> A serial cable can be fabricated with off the shelf parts -- a 2.5 mm plug
> and a DE9S that fits the computer's 9 pin serial port.
>
>
> Ken,
>
> The only bad thing is that the antenna is built into the Foretrex so it is
> not very convenient for panel mounting. The receiver is very sensitive.
> I had
> it on my wrist and even without paying attention to where my hand was, it
> kept
> working.
>
> You can make the serial cable yourself. I used a plug and cable from a
> telephone headset that my wife doesn't use anymore. (That sounds bad
> doesn't it?)
>
> Anyway, a 2.5 mm stereo plug is a standard thing probably available at
> Radio
> Shack. The 9 pin serial connector is also a standard item. The tip goes
> to
> pin 2, the ring to pin 3, and the body to pin 5.
>
> Here are a couple of web sites to look at also. I haven't tried the
> software
> yet.
>
> http://wa8lmf.net/ForeTrex/index.htm
>
> http://www.gpsinformation.org/ronh/g7towin.htm
>
> Dan
>
>
> In a message dated 6/13/2007 6:15:40 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> arno7452@bellsouth.net writes:
>
> Dan,
> Per Garmin support, the software "MapSource Trip and WayPoint Manager" can
> be used to upload the Lat/Longs. I need to find someone with software to
> ensure it will do this easily. Then buy the software. It costs about
> $30.
> The serial cable costs about $15 so for total of about $100 we may have a
> nice GPS unit. Hope it works in my 701!
>
> Regards,
> Ken Arnold
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Hopperdhh@aol.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 5:24 PM
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Garmin Foretrex 101
>
>
>>
>> Ken,
>>
>> That would have been me. $50 -- what a bargain! I would be interested
>> in
>> knowing if anyone else on the list found one even for $60. I was told
>> that one
>> guy bought out a store in central Indiana. Maybe those will show up on
>> ebay.
>> No, it wasn't me.
>>
>> You won't be disappointed. As you said, you can also enter the lat/lon
>> manually. This is available online from Airnav.com, or from the Airport
>> Directory
>> book. It will hold 500 waypoints (airports, etc.). I am going to try to
>> download waypoints into mine, but it may take me a while to do it.
>>
>> As a matter of interest I found on the bench that the serial port
>> functions
>> in NMEA (for driving a Navaid autopilot -- not tried yet), but you have
>> to
>> apply a voltage to data in (ring of the 2.5 mm plug) to power up the
>> serial port.
>> This voltage can be as little as 5 volts and can be either polarity.
>> Also,
>> the battery negative is common to the ground of the jack (meaning that an
>> external power supply could be substituted) and the unit draws about 60
>> mA
>> at 3
>> volts. I didn't realize that AAA batteries had that much capacity -- to
>> supply
>> 60 mA for 15 hours.
>>
>> Good luck on getting the CH701 flying soon.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Dan Hopper
>> RV-7A
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 6/13/2007 3:59:11 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>> arno7452@bellsouth.net writes:
>> Dear Listers,
>> Someone on the Zenith list or RV list purchased subject GPS from ALDI for
>> about $60. I drove to neighboring town and found one at the ALDI store
>> there for
>> $50. It was their last unit.
>>
>> It is an interesting unit and can be adapted for flying. It does not
>> have
>> airport database so routing has to be entered manually or input by
>> actually
>> being on site. I plan on trying it out by flying to neighboring airports
>> and
>> entering its respective location.
>>
>> My thoughts on the unit will be made in a few months. At the price, it
>> has
>> to have some value for certain missions.
>> Regards,
>> Ken Arnold
>> Pikeville, NC
>> CH701 75% 912ULS
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ************************************** See what's free at
>> http://www.aol.com.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> See what's free at AOL.com.
>
>
> ************************************** See what's free at
> http://www.aol.com.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin Foretrex 101 |
Ken,
I'm not that smart yet! I downloaded the 6 or 8 waypoints that I have in
mine and it shows them in a nice chart form. You can save the files in a number
of formats. When I load those into Microsoft Word and look at them you can
see the data but it is in a raw form.
I didn't try to upload data to the GPS. Mapsource is one of the data
formats. I have the Mapsource street atlas, but I haven't gotten to the point
of
being able to make the GPS talk to it if that is possible.
I did use Procomm as a dumb terminal to look at the NMEA output file and that
looks good. I think it will drive the Smart coupler in my Navaid autopilot
if I apply some voltage to the data in (ring) of the plug. I have a Garmin 295
mounted in my panel which works very well with my Navaid, so all I need to do
is make an adapter cable to plug into the Foretrex.
What we need is an airport data base to download into the Foretrex. It will
only hold 500 airports, so the program needs some editing capability. I have
some ideas, but it is a pretty big project. I'm not sure I have the time to
get that involved!
Yes, keep us up to date on your progress.
Dan
RV-7A
do not archive
In a message dated 6/14/2007 8:42:43 AM Eastern Standard Time,
arno7452@bellsouth.net writes:
Dan,
What does the screen(file) look like when you download from the GPS? Does
it look easy to generate waypoints on the PC and then upload to the GPS?
I have the software loaded on my PC but can't visualize the file format.
Can you make a file and attach it to e-mail so I can take a look?
Many thanks, you are breaking a nice trail.
Ken
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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| Subject: | Re: Re: Breather run into exhaust (warning again) |
No I did not miss the point.
The point is if you suck on the crankcase you will change the way the
rings seat and possibly cause greater friction and less oil flow,
increasing wear. That is what drag racers use it for, to increase ring
seating pressure. I did not know my Lycoming needed that. (does not)
You missed the point that some one said "wind-age" or oil spray will
be reduced and this will make more HP (they guess but I doubt it). A
Lycoming relies on oil splash or "wind-age" to lubricate the cam and
the accessory gears to name a few items. Do you want to suck more
air out and reduce the oil mist in the engine? (no, I want my cam lubed)
The point someone made about kind of matching what a stock vent
would do with a Tee and valves. WHY? If you are not going to pull
down the pressure or create a vacuum in the crankcase (verses the
slight positive pressure we now have) than WHY DO IT? (please tell me)
Do what you like, accept or ignore my opinion or concerns and leave
off the snide personal comments, thanks. I think you Mr. Butler
should put it on your plane; run a big garden hose into your exhaust
pipe thru a 1/2" hole. By the way you will possibly block up to 20% of
you exhaust with the vent tube protruding in there. EGP (exhaust gas
pressure), pressure wave and savaging will be affected. May be a
small amount but the super suck vent will make so much power, I
was told, it would be like a "turbo-charger". Right, good luck.
I'm not against experiments; take some data and let everyone know
the gain you got. I say you will add weight, complexity and it'll do
nothing special to justify its use. Also no one can prove its safe. I
heard of a 0.125" dia "pill"? If that is an orifice for the crank vent,
than that does not sound good, as it could easily be blocked. May
be I missed the point. The final point is there is NO DESIGN or
standard for this concept, just words and guessing. If some one
has a proven design, whether off the shelf drag race stuff or home
made, than they should test it and than present their findings. Never
said DON'T do it; I am not an authoritarian; I'm liberal, in that you are
free to do as you like; I JUST WANT FOLKS TO BE SAFE and that
is the POINT. I've been around airplanes long enough to know, you
better have a good reason for fixing something that is not broke.
I'd feel bad if someone busted their derrire & I didn't say something.
Cheers George
>Time: 08:03:24 PM PST US
>From: Sherman Butler lsbrv7a@yahoo.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Breather run into exhaust (warning again)
>
>George, I'm sorry, but you have missed the point.
>
>>gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>Subject: Re: RV-List: Breather run into exhaust (warning again)
>>
>>blaaa blaaa blaaa blaaa blaaa and blaaa.
>>
>>No comment, but did notice a couple of pot shots & stupid insults.
>>That's just rude, snide and un-gentlemanly rhetoric. It indicates
>>how weak your technical argument is when you go to personal
>>attacks. I have little respect for that.
>
>
>Sherman Butler
>RV-7a Wings
>Idaho Falls
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| Subject: | Re: Breather run into exhaust (warning again) |
Dear someone out there without a Last Name,
I can't resist to ask a question: What did a Mr. John Porter say to you
for you to say the following about him:
>>...because some dude "John Porter" says do it, but he has never done
it himself...<< (just see below)
I was following this thread very closely, but have to admit that I may
have missed Mr. Porters comments to you.
PLEASE DO fill me in on what he said to you for you to respond to him
the way you did, IF YOU CAN ??? Thanks G...
Sincerely,
Konrad (definitely NOT an ATPCFIIIMEMSMERV4/7B7375767KISS kinda guy).
----- Original Message -----
From: gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com
To: rv-list@matronics.com ; december29@bellsouth.net
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 4:14 PM
Subject: RV-List: Re: Breather run into exhaust (warning again)
>From: "John Porter" <december29@bellsouth.net>
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Breather run into exhaust (warning again)
>
>blaaa blaaa blaaa blaaa blaaa and blaaa.
No comment, but did notice a couple of pot shots & stupid insults.
That's just rude, snide and un-gentlemanly rhetoric. It indicates
how weak your technical argument is when you go to personal
attacks. I have little respect for that.
If you want to add something that is not needed, adds weight and
blocks the free flow of your exhaust, ace, fine. Do IT and just shut
up about it.
You throw out all kind of "facts" but don't support it:
What factory planes have crank-case exhaust vent systems?
What is the benefit?
Less wind-age?
......Prove it.
It's not a matter of understanding the super-wonder-crank-vent-
exhaust-tee-system, so I challenge you:
-Draw it up,
-Make it,
-Fight test it and
-Publish the results and design
Convince me and everyone all the weight, cost, fabrication time is
worth it, not to mention adding an exhaust restriction.
What is the design? An off the shelf Moroso / Mr. Gasket set up,
home-grown set up with a "0.125" pill? Tell me. Crank vent is a
critical system so you better be right. Since YOU are telling other
builders to do something that affects SAFETY, I am all ears. You
are the big man telling everyone how great this is and safe, so
prove it. I'm not as smart as you, so when you have 1000 hours
on it, write me and I'll do it. In the mean time I'll have my simple
vent crank vent system the puts little or no oil on the belly.
What is the inches of water in the crank, vent and pipe at full
power sea level and WOT at 16,000 feet. You better put your
engineer hat on before you tell people what to do that is 180
degrees from the standard.
Never said is would not work or has zero value, but is it needed?
Does it really reduce oil on the belly? I bet at altitude with LOW
temps, low air pressure and high velocity exhaust it may just spit
more oil out further down the belly. May be it's the best thing
ever! so drill 1/2" holes in your pipe because some dude "John
Porter" says do it, but he has never done it himself. So I'm the
dumb one for not jumping on this break-through.
That is what I thought. Doha!
Sorry if I offend you because I am keeping my vent like most of
the other 5,000 RV's and +250,000 piston plane crank vents
around the world, and I highly recommend all do the same, KISS.
Last, only smart people under stand the KISS principle. Simple
designs are best. Any professional designer will tell you that its
more elegant to make it simple, not more compacted because you
can. Every ounce weight has to earn its way onto my plane. This
is why builders end up with 1,200 lb empty weight RV's.
Wise man said: "Build it per the plans, keep it simple & light."
Cheers George RV-4/RV-7
PS: 7375767 is short hand for B737, B757, B767, a few
current type ratings.
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