---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 06/16/07: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:53 AM - Connector for copilot stick grip (Ralph Hoover) 2. 07:57 AM - Re: Connector for copilot stick grip (glen matejcek) 3. 08:57 AM - Re: Connector for copilot stick grip (Christopher Stone) 4. 04:29 PM - Re: Garmin Foretrex 101 (Hopperdhh@aol.com) 5. 06:56 PM - Re: Re: Breather run into exhaust (warning again) () 6. 07:37 PM - East Coast to Yellowstone! (Larry Bowen) 7. 08:15 PM - Re: East Coast to Yellowstone! (Walter Tondu) 8. 09:54 PM - Re: Re: Re: Breather run into exhaust (warning again) (PittsS1@aol.com) 9. 10:35 PM - Re: Re: Re: Breather run into exhaust (warning again) (Jerry Springer) 10. 10:42 PM - Re: Re: Re: Breather run into exhaust (warning again) (Konrad L. Werner) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:53:20 AM PST US From: Ralph Hoover Subject: RV-List: Connector for copilot stick grip Grant, I used a PS2 extension cable cut in half which gives you 6 wires and fits nicely inside the stick the extra cable that allows you to align the plugs also holds things together when installed. I drilled a 3/16 hole through the stick and socket (one wall of each) A pin (PEM standoff from the junk box) attached to a hose clamp secures the stick. When I'm home I'll get a picture. -- Ralph C. Hoover RV7A hooverra at verizon dot net ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:57:21 AM PST US From: "glen matejcek" Subject: RV-List: RE: Connector for copilot stick grip Hi Grant- Re: I'm wondering what others have done to allow quick disconnect and removal of the copilot stick. I got an annular connector from RS. I think it was about 6 pin, and once the outer housing was scrapped, the ass'y fit quite nicely within the copilot stick. Same arrangement to get the elev trim connex through that pesky hole in the elev. glen matejcek aerobubba@earthlink.net ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:57:31 AM PST US From: Christopher Stone Subject: Re: RV-List: Connector for copilot stick grip R.e. stick connector Amp Mini Mate-N-Lock Available in 2,4,6,8,10 pin configurations. Small body with secure locking tab. Easy to install. Will handle 16 amps max. We used these for all power and instrument connections to the panel and sticks. Digi-Key has them. Chris Stone Pair of -8's Newberg, OR -----Original Message----- >From: Grant Neilson >Sent: Jun 15, 2007 3:32 PM >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: RV-List: Connector for copilot stick grip > > >I'm setting up dual trim and dual PTT in my RV9A using RAC pistol grips on >both pilot & copilot sides, but would still like to remove the copilot stick >once in a while when the wife stays home and I want to carry extra baggage >on the passenger side. I'm wondering what others have done to allow quick >disconnect and removal of the copilot stick. The inside diameter of the >stick is about 3/4 inch, and I would need a six pin (circular?) connector. >Any photos of others' efforts and sources for such a connector would be >greatly appreciated. > >Grant Neilson >Campbell River, B.C. >RV9A, wiring > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:29:09 PM PST US From: Hopperdhh@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Garmin Foretrex 101 I found that the Foretrex 101 talks to Garmin's Mapsource program just fine. You can upload and download waypoints. do not archive ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:56:26 PM PST US From: Subject: RV-List: Re: Re: Breather run into exhaust (warning again) What? >"Perhaps You can do this using the scrabble after your name > rather than throw rocks. I am pleased that as an ATP you have >"the sky is falling" approach to his passengers' safety. When I >get to this point on my airplane I will review my options." I am not throwing any stones. Me? What is wrong with you people? First Konrad Werner or Wiener spews a mass BS rant rave void of facts now you. I just am sticking to the facts. I love new RV builders. It's a disease with new builders, they are suckers for any gadget. I brought up legate concern and my opinion, I think it's a bad idea. Deal with it. Your sarcasm is noted, but you still can't tell me what it offers over the stock design, besides some rant. >"If I was really concerned, perhaps a mission profie of around the >world no-stop, I would calculate an exhaust velocity based on >rpm, displacement and temperature change, to develop a >pressure profile and a estimate of the effect on crankcase >pressure. Based on the fact you are working on your wings I'm pretty sure you never have installed an engine on a RV before. May be you should learn something first. Not sure where you're going, but it sounds like you suspect more oil loss? (more oil loss is likely with suction) The bottom line is it offers nil improvement over the RV engine installation plan's, which probably you've never seen yet. What has been suggested will be more involved, probably weigh more, cost more and take more time to fabricate and install. Are you going to use a drag race back flow valve? If you have something smart to say than say it, other wise you sound churlish and foolish; geee, you are welcome. Is it possible I have a point? You'll learn I guess later? I have researched it, called Moroso and Lycoming. At least I bring some facts to the discussion and not just rhetoric and personal attacks. You may not like my opinion, fine, but to attack me because I make my living flying makes you sound, juvenile and ridiculous. I helped one guy at the airport with his RV. At one time we had over 20 flying RV's at one field, so we all got lots of experience with RV's. We also did formation flying and dog fighting, great fun. Well this guy was losing oil and lots of it. I looked at his plane and saw his vent tube was not cut at an angle. So I beveled the vent tube at an approx 30-45 degree angle, into the airflow or forward, per Van's plan's, and that solved it. (please do not write and tell me the 45 goes down stream of the free air flow, you're wrong). Get some finishing plans. I suspect many EXPERTS out there throwing temper tantrums have never finished a RV or flown one more than once or twice. I have about 1,200 hours in RV's, so there, I do know more than you. Writing I'm an ATP, fly jets and graduate degree in engineering brings out all the haters. That kind of bigotry, prejudice and ignorance has no place in an intellectual discussion. To make assumptions of my life experience is really quite ignorant. You don't know me. Frankly as petty, rude and immature some of you all sound, I don't want to know you. Many engineers come from a strong mechanical background, that is why they choose the profession. Clearly it is not for the love. It's definitely a difficult curriculum, math, physics, materials, mechanism, design, chemistry, fluid dynamics, statics, dynamics, electrical, vibrations, fatigue, fracture mechanics, composites, manufacturing and many more general and elective courses. However I was building cars, motorcycles and electronics well before I went to engineering school. The sad thing is many have no clue what engineers do, which breeds contempt. Also not everything is "designed" by engineers. On the other hand there are creative people with little education. I don't claim my resume makes me right, but I have built two RV's and helped build and finish several more; I've been at it over 20 years, starting my first RV in the mid 80's when I was in my 20's. One of my RV's, I am proud to say won a workmanship award at the EAA fly-in. I had just finished painting it, and it was pretty. That same plane also beat out higher HP RV's in a spruce aircraft cross country race. I have been a mechanic, built engines (planes, cars, bikes), even worked in a shipyard as a ship-fitter to get money for college. So I do more the crunch numbers and "throw stones". I just don't understand the hate and jealousy, its immature man. Grow up. Flying is a small community and I am the kind of guy that would go out of my way to help you if you needed it. Most people in aviation and especially experimental planes are nice. Sadly as it gets more common, the folks with attitudes come in and just can't be told anything. I wish I was as smart as you when I started out over 20 years go building planes FOR FUN. It is suppose to be fun, relax. >I would calculate a pressure profile and a estimate of the >effect on crankcase pressure. Do you know that the normal crank case pressure is in a Lycoming? I do I've measured it. Do you know how to measure it? I do, and its real cool. I am all ears now; what is the pressure based on exhaust velocity going to be? Frankly you can directly and easily measure it. I would use a RV and go up and flight test it, measure it right off the crank and exhaust. Of course the BUNG you use in the pipe will have huge affect on the suction you pull, not to mention how far down the pipe it is to the exit. One cylinder or past a collector? Lots to think about. I want to see someones design. Draw it up, scan it, post it to a free picture file-share site and post the URL. I want to see how great it is, not to throw stones but to learn or may be copy it, if its brilliant. I also like to know what "extra HP" you get. As far as keeping the belly clean, I doubt it would improve that. A healthy Lyc blurbs little oil out the breather. Again like a broke record the stock set up works well, so why change it. Sorry if I am using logic again, its not fair I know. I'm not going to apologize for cautioning builders to be careful. When it comes to engines, flight controls, structures and critical systems like fuel systems, I am very conservative. Again DO WHAT YOU LIKE. Ignore me and just do it. I don't know what your problem is. You all are like a fanatic that demands I must accept their belief. I don't accept it or do I care what you do any more. According to mr. wiener its going to gain all kinds of HP like a "turbo charger". Right, OK, that's nice. Prove it. Really it's just BS frankly and I laugh, ha ha. For those who do make this modified vent system and want to use a scientific approach, taking some empirical data, I can help. I have ideas for any interested person; you can write me off list. However if all you're going to do is whine and cry like a baby because I'm not thrilled with the idea, your jealous of "college boys" or pilots with ATP's and type ratings, than don't write, you're wasting my time time and everyone else's on the list. I have other people I can help who do appreciate it. Send your hate mail direct, so I can really tell you what I think of you or ignore it, but don't jug up the list with spew. >I however, am loading the G-35 to camp overnight at U87 >with my sweetie. That is what is important to me. ** Look at your Bonanza vent and tell me what you see. ** Flown all over Idaho, spent many a day at Johnson creek 3U2 in my RV camping with my "sweetie". I use to fly for Horizon Air. Cheers George (last name withheld because its none of your business) >From: Sherman Butler >Subject: Re: Breather run into exhaust (warning again) >George, >If I was really concerned, perhaps a mission profie of around the world no-stop, I would calculate an exhaust velocity based on rpm, displacement and temperature change, to develop a pressure profile and a estimate of the effect on crankcase pressure. Perhaps You can do this using the scrabble after your name rather than throw rocks. I am pleased that as an ATP you have "the sky is falling" approach to his passengers' safety. When I get to this point on my airplane I will review my options. > >I however, am loading the G-35 to camp overnight at U87 >with my sweetie. That is what is important to me. > > >Do Not archive > >Sherman Butler >RV-7a Wings >Idaho Falls --------------------------------- You snooze, you lose. Get messages ASAP with AutoCheck ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:37:26 PM PST US From: "Larry Bowen" Subject: RV-List: East Coast to Yellowstone! Several RV's from the east coast went to Cody, WY last week to check out Yellowstone. What an adventure! For me, it ranks right up there with the first flight as far as accomplishments go! Notes, pics and video here: http://bowenaero.com/mt3/2007/06/yellowstone_200.html Enjoy. -- Larry Bowen Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:15:19 PM PST US From: Walter Tondu Subject: Re: RV-List: East Coast to Yellowstone! On 06/16 10:36, Larry Bowen wrote: > Several RV's from the east coast went to Cody, WY last week to check out > Yellowstone. What an adventure! For me, it ranks right up there with the > first flight as far as accomplishments go! Notes, pics and video here: > > http://bowenaero.com/mt3/2007/06/yellowstone_200.html Fantastic! Great pictures, naration and video. -- Walter Tondu http://www.rv7-a.com - Flying! http://www.evorocket.com - Building ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:54:28 PM PST US From: PittsS1@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Re: Breather run into exhaust (warning again) rv wings ... with you experience its easy ... get a life ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:35:10 PM PST US From: Jerry Springer Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Re: Breather run into exhaust (warning again) While I have made a ton of friends and probably a few enemies on this list and also got to be friends with Matt, our list administrator while testing his fantastic FuelScan unit I think the useful life of the list has come to an end for me. I built my RV-6 and made the first flight on July 14 1989. There are so many beautiful airplanes and neat ideas now that were not thought of when I was building, and the kits have changed drastically over the last twenty years. My RV-6 would be considered archaic by today's standards so for me to have helpful hints for today's builders as a previous builder is not as feasible as it use to be. I have probably stayed longer than I would have if I did not have so much respect for Matt Dralle and the tremendous amount of work he puts into these lists. As the internet has grown over the years there are many resources available to builders so getting any information I may need the future is not a problem. I am really sorry to see how the information on the list has many time turned into long threads about things other than RV's, that have no use to me whatsoever. I am really busy now in the process of getting two homes ready to sell and to start a new life with my "sweetheart" So for the time being anyway I am going to unsubscribe from the RV-List. Hope to see a lot of you at Arlington EAA flyin this July, if you are there come by and say hello. Don't kill each other over things said on this list, life is to short. Signing off Jerry ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:42:24 PM PST US From: "Konrad L. Werner" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Re: Breather run into exhaust (warning again) Dear George whoever, You still have not answered my question: What did a Mr. John Porter say to you for you to say the following about him: >>...because some dude "John Porter" says do it, but he has never done it himself...<< PLEASE DO fill me in on what he said to you for you to respond to him the way you did, IF YOU CAN??? Most sincerely, Konrad P.S. My last name was always clearly disclosed, contrary to yours... Need new glasses to read properly??? ----- Original Message ----- From: gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com To: rv-list@matronics.com ; lsbrv7a@yahoo.com Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 7:55 PM Subject: RV-List: Re: Re: Breather run into exhaust (warning again) What? >"Perhaps You can do this using the scrabble after your name > rather than throw rocks. I am pleased that as an ATP you have >"the sky is falling" approach to his passengers' safety. When I >get to this point on my airplane I will review my options." I am not throwing any stones. Me? What is wrong with you people? First Konrad Werner or Wiener spews a mass BS rant rave void of facts now you. I just am sticking to the facts. I love new RV builders. 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