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1. 01:37 AM - Re: MT Governor drawing anyone? (Steve Sampson)
2. 01:43 AM - Re: MT Governor drawing anyone? (Steve Sampson)
3. 03:51 AM - Re: RV-List civility (Dale Ensing)
4. 04:09 AM - Re: Breather run into exhaust (warning again) ()
5. 04:10 AM - Re: Duckworks lenses cracking (Dale Ensing)
6. 04:37 AM - Re: Re: Breather run into exhaust (warning again) (David Maib)
7. 04:40 AM - Re: Breather run into exhaust (warning again) (Bob J.)
8. 04:58 AM - Re: Oil - where to buy? (glen matejcek)
9. 05:12 AM - Re: Duckworks lenses cracking (Ralph E. Capen)
10. 05:41 AM - The "real" John Porter (John Porter)
11. 05:53 AM - Re: Re: Breather run into exhaust (warning again) (Bob Collins)
12. 06:48 AM - Re: Breather run into exhaust (warning again) (N395V)
13. 07:24 AM - Re: Re: Breather run into exhaust (warning again) (Bob Collins)
14. 07:56 AM - Re: The "real" John Porter (Konrad L. Werner)
15. 08:22 AM - Re: Re: Breather run into exhaust (warning again) (Konrad L. Werner)
16. 08:40 AM - Re: Re: Breather run into exhaust (warning again) (Joseph Larson)
17. 11:08 AM - Re: Duckworks lenses cracking (Jerry2DT@aol.com)
18. 11:38 AM - Re: Re: Duckworks lenses cracking (don wentz)
19. 02:48 PM - Re: Oil - where to buy? (Bobby Hester)
20. 04:26 PM - Supplier Problem (John Fasching)
21. 04:54 PM - Re: Supplier Problem (Rob Prior)
22. 05:04 PM - Upholstery around KHWD (Parker Thomas)
23. 05:24 PM - Re: Supplier Problem (Bob Collins)
24. 05:24 PM - Re: Upholstery around KHWD (Dave Saylor)
25. 06:41 PM - battery location (Rick Leach)
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| Subject: | Re: MT Governor drawing anyone? |
At MT. I would think this http://www.mt-propeller.com/pdf/manuals/e-570.pdf is
it, or in the index of this family. Steve.
On 17/06/07, SCOTT SPENCER <aerokinetic@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> Anyone out there know where I could find a drawing of an MT P-860-4 prop
> governor? If not, anybody know how tall it is from mounting flange to arm?
>
> Thanks!
> Scott
> N4ZW
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| Subject: | Re: MT Governor drawing anyone? |
Or this one...http://www.mt-propeller.com/pdf/manuals/e-1048.pdf
On 18/06/07, Steve Sampson <ssamps@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> At MT. I would think this
> http://www.mt-propeller.com/pdf/manuals/e-570.pdf is it, or in the index
> of this family. Steve.
>
> On 17/06/07, SCOTT SPENCER <aerokinetic@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >
> > Anyone out there know where I could find a drawing of an MT P-860-4 prop
> > governor? If not, anybody know how tall it is from mounting flange to arm?
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Scott
> > N4ZW
> >
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| Subject: | Re: RV-List civility |
Scott,
Well said! Thank you.
Dale Ensing
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----- Original Message -----
From: SCOTT SPENCER
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 12:01 PM
Subject: RV-List: Re: Re: Breather run into exhaust (warning again)
You know, I think I can speak for many when I say that someone's
resume', however impressive, is not what throws me off or leads me to
despise certain listers. It's not the 'scrabble' in signature lines or
anything like that.
The answer is that it's all about *respect* in this world, and most
times the people screaming for respect and throwing their credentials
around are the very ones who don't understand they are disrespecting
others with their attitudes. In this case they are essentially using the
list as a way to feel superior and good about themselves.
There are people of all levels here and widely varying educational
backgrounds -but essentially we're all on the same team. We build and
fly our own airplanes -which is a pretty darn cool thing!
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| Subject: | Re: Breather run into exhaust (warning again) |
Hi Bob:
Reno racers, wet vacuum pumps pulling 9" hg, miracle reduction
in oil consumption and backward seals. Super. WOW! You're
right & I'm wrong. Got it, but.........
What does that have to do with using the exhaust ace?
Nothing so shut up with blaa-blaa-blaa personal BS off topic.
Please focus. You are the FIRST to mention using a vacumn
pump (very heavy, expensive, uses HP). I still say you're nuts.
(nothing personal) Good luck with it.
What do you do with the wet vacuum pump exhaust and the
oil it spews out? Humm I thought we want to lessen belly oil?
Oh and yes, if you are going to post, don't be a liar. I never said the
cam would go un-lubed. It was rocket scientist Konrad Wiener who
said it'll reduce wind-age, oil splash and make miracle HP. I just
ASKED is reducing wind-age (lubrication) good? Plus you would
not see it in you oil analysis which by the way is only good for
tend anaylsis but you know that right?
I don't think it will reduce "wind-age". That is not what its for according
to the drag race engine builders. It's for ring seating as I said 4 times
before, so I can see how your worn out tired engine may get less oil
consumption with vacumn.
My O360 uses 1qt in 16-18 hours with a plan-ol-vent! (depending
on power used for cruise). but you get...............WHAT?
1 qt in 5 to 7 hours! ha-ha-ha! Ouch!
An overhaul would work Bro, Gosh how silly, a vacumn pump when
you need an overhaul. You are definitely in wiener ville. Than you got
1 at per 25 hours? ha ha ha, right.
You pretty much shot your credibility since that is unbelievable and
frankly too little oil use, at least at power over idle.
I would hope when if you eat your rings up, you are man enough to
admit it. Sounds like a bad idea for an everyday flyer, oh right you
are a RENO RACER in a RV-6A, ha ha ha. Reno in a RV 4 banger.
Am I being punked.
The plot thickens as more claims are made. So now the reason to
do this is lower oil consumption? I thought it was to keep oil off the
belly or was it to make more HP due to lower wind age. Basically
its a miracle from what I am hearing. Well what my pappy told me is,
If its sounds too good to be true, its probably BS. God you guys are
crazy anal. Give it a rest.
Look its a common mistake for newbies to make it more complicated
and heavy. Just follow the plans and you will get into the air and
not suffer any unintended consequences. What do I know. I'm
just repeating Richard Vangrunsven's advice. He must be a Mr
know it all like me. A wise man takes advice, and I am following
Van not your's Bob. Keep it light, simple and per plans.
Bob, Lets hear about your "Reno racer": what pump, how is routed,
what components are needed and so on. Show us all of your brilliant
system, pictures, diagram, parts list on your RV6 reno racer. I would
love to see this. You can teach me and everyone else, Yoda.
You are all talk and claims but frankly I am skeptical, nothing
personal. I think you are full of it. As I said it may be the greatest
thing in the world, but I suggested caution which makes me a "know
it all". Right, so show us the magic system you claim.
I think we need the Myth Busters.
Cheers George
PS I have been at it a long time and probably younger than you
so you will be going away first, ha ha. I'm Done
>From: "Bob J." <rocketbob@gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Breather run into exhaust (warning again)
>
>I have a wet vacuum pump pulling set to pull 9" Hg. vacuum on my
>crankcase thru the breather vent and it works great. My oil
>consumption
>went from 1 qt. every 5-7 hours to 1 qt. every 20-25 hours.
>Regards,
>Bob Japundza
>RV-6 flying F1 under const.
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| Subject: | Re: Duckworks lenses cracking |
Ralph,
I too have had some of the cracking at the screw holes. I attributed it to
my over tightening the screws. Maybe not, but I now just "snug" the screws
down so the head is level with the wing skin and have found no more cracks.
Dale Ensing
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 9:04 PM
Subject: RV-List: Duckworks lenses cracking
>
> Lighting question....
>
> I installed my lights according to instructions - strapping tape, 75
> degrees, and all...
>
> The lenses were intact through the entire manufacturing process. I put
> them in fine.
> Today I was working on the wingtips and needed to remove the light
> assemblies and found that every screwhole had cracks.
>
> Anyone else have this issue?
>
> I'm kinda bummed - knowing that subsequent installations will be more
> difficult and won't be as tight.
>
> At a minimum, I need to order a new set of lenses...but I think I need
> some building advice when it comes to these things......
>
> Thanks,
> Ralph Capen
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Breather run into exhaust (warning again) |
Take your Ritalin!
On Jun 18, 2007, at 6:07 AM, gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com wrote:
Hi Bob:
Reno racers, wet vacuum pumps pulling 9" hg, miracle reduction
in oil consumption and backward seals. Super. WOW! You're
right & I'm wrong. Got it, but.........
What does that have to do with using the exhaust ace?
Nothing so shut up with blaa-blaa-blaa personal BS off topic.
Please focus. You are the FIRST to mention using a vacumn
pump (very heavy, expensive, uses HP). I still say you're nuts.
(nothing personal) Good luck with it.
What do you do with the wet vacuum pump exhaust and the
oil it spews out? Humm I thought we want to lessen belly oil?
Oh and yes, if you are going to post, don't be a liar. I never said the
cam would go un-lubed. It was rocket scientist Konrad Wiener who
said it'll reduce wind-age, oil splash and make miracle HP. I just
ASKED is reducing wind-age (lubrication) good? Plus you would
not see it in you oil analysis which by the way is only good for
tend anaylsis but you know that right?
I don't think it will reduce "wind-age". That is not what its for
according
to the drag race engine builders. It's for ring seating as I said 4
times
before, so I can see how your worn out tired engine may get less oil
consumption with vacumn.
My O360 uses 1qt in 16-18 hours with a plan-ol-vent! (depending
on power used for cruise). but you get...............WHAT?
1 qt in 5 to 7 hours! ha-ha-ha! Ouch!
An overhaul would work Bro, Gosh how silly, a vacumn pump when
you need an overhaul. You are definitely in wiener ville. Than you got
1 at per 25 hours? ha ha ha, right.
You pretty much shot your credibility since that is unbelievable and
frankly too little oil use, at least at power over idle.
I would hope when if you eat your rings up, you are man enough to
admit it. Sounds like a bad idea for an everyday flyer, oh right you
are a RENO RACER in a RV-6A, ha ha ha. Reno in a RV 4 banger.
Am I being punked.
The plot thickens as more claims are made. So now the reason to
do this is lower oil consumption? I thought it was to keep oil off the
belly or was it to make more HP due to lower wind age. Basically
its a miracle from what I am hearing. Well what my pappy told me is,
If its sounds too good to be true, its probably BS. God you guys are
crazy anal. Give it a rest.
Look its a common mistake for newbies to make it more complicated
and heavy. Just follow the plans and you will get into the air and
not suffer any unintended consequences. What do I know. I'm
just repeating Richard Vangrunsven's advice. He must be a Mr
know it all like me. A wise man takes advice, and I am following
Van not your's Bob. Keep it light, simple and per plans.
Bob, Lets hear about your "Reno racer": what pump, how is routed,
what components are needed and so on. Show us all of your brilliant
system, pictures, diagram, parts list on your RV6 reno racer. I would
love to see this. You can teach me and everyone else, Yoda.
You are all talk and claims but frankly I am skeptical, nothing
personal. I think you are full of it. As I said it may be the greatest
thing in the world, but I suggested caution which makes me a "know
it all". Right, so show us the magic system you claim.
I think we need the Myth Busters.
Cheers George
PS I have been at it a long time and probably younger than you
so you will be going away first, ha ha. I'm Done
>From: "Bob J." <rocketbob@gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Breather run into exhaust (warning again)
>
>I have a wet vacuum pump pulling set to pull 9" Hg. vacuum on my
>crankcase thru the breather vent and it works great. My oil
>consumption
>went from 1 qt. every 5-7 hours to 1 qt. every 20-25 hours.
>Regards,
>Bob Japundza
>RV-6 flying F1 under const.
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| Subject: | Re: Breather run into exhaust (warning again) |
>
>
> PS I have been at it a long time and probably younger than you
> so you will be going away first, ha ha. I'm Done
>
Boy did I just get a good chuckle out of your email. Hopefully you are done
but as history has shown, you cannot stand to be put in your place.
Once again you rant and rave with spew pure conjecture, name calling etc.,
without providing ANY of your own experiences or data you've come up with on
your own or anything substantive to back any of your claims.
FWIW I am 35 years old, and have been here on this list since 1994. And you
somehow know the date in which I will expire? LOL! Somehow you are so
all-knowing that you think you are younger and more experienced??
And you've obviously never operated an engine with chrome cylinders. You
must be clairvoyant, not ever seeing my engine or looking at the oil
analyses to determine its worn out.
Regards,
Bob Japundza
RV-6 flying F1 under const.
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| Subject: | RE: Oil - where to buy? |
Hi Ralph-
>Where are you getting your oil and filters?
OSH.
glen matejcek
aerobubba@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Re: Duckworks lenses cracking |
I'll try that.....
-----Original Message-----
>From: Dale Ensing <densing@carolina.rr.com>
>Sent: Jun 18, 2007 7:09 AM
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Duckworks lenses cracking
>
>
>Ralph,
>I too have had some of the cracking at the screw holes. I attributed it to
>my over tightening the screws. Maybe not, but I now just "snug" the screws
>down so the head is level with the wing skin and have found no more cracks.
>Dale Ensing
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>; <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 9:04 PM
>Subject: RV-List: Duckworks lenses cracking
>
>
>>
>> Lighting question....
>>
>> I installed my lights according to instructions - strapping tape, 75
>> degrees, and all...
>>
>> The lenses were intact through the entire manufacturing process. I put
>> them in fine.
>> Today I was working on the wingtips and needed to remove the light
>> assemblies and found that every screwhole had cracks.
>>
>> Anyone else have this issue?
>>
>> I'm kinda bummed - knowing that subsequent installations will be more
>> difficult and won't be as tight.
>>
>> At a minimum, I need to order a new set of lenses...but I think I need
>> some building advice when it comes to these things......
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Ralph Capen
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | The "real" John Porter |
Hi there,
I just got back from a trip and saw my name being traded about. None
of those comments are mine! I was pasting the first set of stuff to a
friend and (as someone figured out) accidentally placed the pasting back
on the list. Then people copied it to respond to you. Dude, you need
to lay off the caffeine or get some help. This list is not that
important to me. I have gotten some good information but am really
tired of the rants, particularly yours.
For anyone else who's interested, I finally finished RV-8 tailkit
80002 and have the airworthiness certificate. Only took over 10 years,
3 cross-country moves, 2 kids in college, same bride, and meeting some
great friends who helped make it possible. I'll fly it after taking
training from Mike Seager, sure hope it flys great! So whoever has
tailkit 80003, you are now the slowest builder, let the riveting
continue..............ha,ha
Signing off the list,
John
N802RJ (waited a long time for that)
(a whole bunch of ratings, hours, and types for me to know
about................just me)
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----- Original Message -----
From: gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com
To: december29@bellsouth.net
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 10:14 PM
Subject: RV-list Yea one or 10 more thing about crank vents
A couple of things to ADD John:
Time: 01:09:34 PM PST US From: "John Porter"
<december29@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re:
Hi there George (what is your last name anyway?)
I've got some spare time this afternoon to answer your logic,
so here
it goes:
(None of your business)
Konrad: Interesting but a few things. I did not say or intend
that
the NTSB examples had anything to do with drag race crank
evacuation via
exhaust failures or accidents.
>> So why bring them up then? If anyone wants to read any
UN-related
NTSB reports about someone elses accidents, then they can do so
at will
and at their topics of choice. But you certainly took the time
to find
these accident reports, and now you say these reports have
nothing to do
with the topic we were discussing... What were you thinking?
...a bit
confused?
(Because they are unrelated to venting of the crank-case with the
exhaust.)
In fact these Drag Vents are just NOT done in most cars. It's
made for
drag racers with open pipes only.
>> This statement is so absolutely NOT true. They are ALSO
used in
drag racers, as well as other efficient performance engines of
many
kinds, including aviation engines (can you believe that???) The
reason
they are not done in most cars may have more to do with
governmentally
implied emission control then anything else.
(BULL SHIT. I am into drag racing or was. These vents only work
properly on open
headers (big ones) and don't work well with mufflers ace. THAT IS THE
REASON,
because cars have MUFFLERS the don't work. PCV or positive crank
ventilation
was always from the rocker cover to the air-filter housing. Yes our
airplanes have
open headers, but you are lying about their wide spread use is on
airplanes.
..................................... What planes have an exhaust
evacuation of the crank
case? N #, model & pictures please. Factory plane? I am all ears. I am
not talking
about your plane, if you even have this on your plane; send pictures
if you do with
detailed sizes................ Do you know WHY drag racers use crank
vents thru the
headers? I BET YOU DON'T. The effect could damage or change the way
the rings
seat and change the oil film on the jug of a LYCOMING, possibly
increasing wear.
Doha! You did not think of that did you.........dee-dee-dee.)
Now I'm not saying in can't or won't work on a little plane,
but my
point of posting the NTSB reports is, if (Big IF) your crank
vent gets
blocked for whatever the reason in the exhaust pipe or out of
the pipe,
it can be BAD. Agree?
>> I agree that if the crankvent get's blocked then you are in
for a
surprise landing. But we were talking about the "improvement" of
breathing, which is the exact opposite of what you are talking
about...
(Wow you agree. You are cavalier with your attitude and shows how
little you
understand about making this change. One little change can affect many
things and
have unintended consequences. I am smart enough to know to be careful
and not be
such a cocky know it all like you. There is NO standard design
builders have for this
exhaust vent design, so mistakes can be made. You either buy the DRAG
race
design (made for 3" pipes and V8's) OR as some make them your self
design,
with potential problems that have yet been considered or are known,
since so few
planes have this. One guy said use a 0.125" pill. WHAT? That is likely
to get
blocked. This is NOT a no brain-er.)
Your idea of "Tees" and all kind of stuff just makes me think,
why.
KISS principle. You know what that is, Keep It Simple Stupid.
Keep it
light, cheap, simpler, quicker to build and easier to
maintain......and
so on.
>> One has to be able to get a clear understanding of the idea
at
hand. But if it is beyond grasp, then I certainly recommend to
follow
your rule: Keep It Simple, Stupid...
(Bit me)
I can't see why your idea might not work, but it sounds odd.
No
offense it just does not sound right off the top of my head, but
it may
be brilliant.
>> I agree with you there, it sure is a brilliant idea! But I
don't
think I can take credit for it, as most of what I have learned
throughout live I've highly likely learned from someone else
that went
there before me, and I always listen to people smarter then me
when it
comes to a subject of interest. But I can certainly understand
that the
idea may sound odd to someone not 100% familiar with the
intricate
interactive workings of a liquid fueled internal combustion
power plant
that turns flaming hot air into rotational forces. There are
operators,
and then there are Mechanics...
(Dude I have built 2 RV's for my self and helped on several others but
still learn and
from every one. Don't lecture me. My OPINION stands on its own, take
it or leave it.
If you don't like my critical review of some idea, than too bad. YOU
HAVE TO BE
CRITICAL WHEN SAFETY IS INVOLVED. My opinions are reasoned. Prove
there
are NO critical failure modes or negative affect on engine operations.
We know the
"STANDARD" blockage is icing on a typical vent, but unlikely if you
follow van's plan, by
placing the vent exit above and near the hot exhaust. Have you built a
RV? EVER?
You get the benefit for burning any oil/water off, with no holes or
welding or extra
fittings. I don't give a shit if you agree or not; take it or leave
it. I just want you to
PROVE its safe to connect the crank and exhaust on a plane. PROVE IT.
)
Again I am a KISS principle guy. I fly big jets and have an
engineering background, so I appreciate complicated systems and
creativity; its just not needed in my opinion.
>> You fly big jets, yet you believe in KISS??? What is simple
about
complex jets? I don't know anything about your engineering
background,
nor do I care, but I have seen an aeronautical engineer try to
cut a
piece of sheet metal stock with a hacksaw once, and it was
extremely
entertaining for us all to watch, although the part became
unusable for
the project we worked on, so I made a new one for him. Needless
to say,
he did not earn our respect, but he knew his formula's. But his
calculations took longer then for us to build the parts with
grass roots
engineering. Therefore, by you having an engineering background
of
whatever kind does not impress me much at all, as many people
can study
for a test and pass it without ever gaining a clear
understanding of the
subject matter at hand. However, I do truly care about the
Wilbur's,
Orville's, Ben's, Bob's & Rutan type of engineers. True hands-on
Experimenters, ...not bookworms that hide behind a calculator,
pen or
PC.
(((Yea engineers are stupid and have two left hands and can't build
anything. Your
contempt for educated people is clear with "not bookworms that hide
behind a
calculator, pen or PC". Clearly the Lockheed SR-71 of Kelly Johnson
was just thrown
together with just mechanics. Also going to the moon was just a bunch
of
"mechanics". First transistor? Yep Engineers just got in the way of
real men of
genesis, the mechanics. My RV-4, I built/sold won workmanship awards
at EAA
fly-in's so BITE ME. My 1969 Camaro and my 1967 won awards on the
track and
show line. Only people with out education say what you say.
(Burt Rutan has engineering degrees and is a builder. No mechanic
could do what he
does. Richard Vangrunsven, yep an engineer degree and
designer/builder. Wilbur &
Orville used scientific engineering methods, wind tunnel, data
gathering, math and
researched the works of other mathematicians and scientist; plus they
learned how to
cast an engine case and take a sheet of steel and drill a crank shaft
out of it. Pretty
amazing and all based on engineering. In other words they where smart
to read what
engineers and scientist knew and how they did it.
(So you are proving that engineers design things and have great skill
making
complicated things with their own hands. The idea engineers are poor
mechanics is
just a faults stereotype told by the immature people and frankly men
with little minds,
big egos and small dicks. Also sitting at a desk with a calculator and
PC is dumb? (as
you said).......You obviously are a shoot from the hip, gut feel,
shade tree mechanic
type who knows more than any engineer. GOT IT. You told me off.
(Yes I have a masters in engineering and very proud of it. I paid for
every nickel of my
undergrad, working my way through college but still finished on the
deans list. What
have you done? Boeing paid for my graduate degree BTW. You can't
understand
unless you're an engineer, but if it was easy, more people would have
engineering
degrees. Oh by the way, between high school and college I was a 2nd
class ship-fitter
in a large ship-yard for a year and a half. Started as a tack welder
and in three
months they found out I could read and also read blue prints and lay
out bulkheads,
so they promoted me to 3rd, than 2nd class ship-fitter in one year.
Also during and after
HS I worked at a gas station attendant and mechanic, pumped gas,
changed oil, bats,
alts, starters, radiators, tires, clutch and heads. I been a paper
boy, grocery clerk/stocker,
cashier, dish washer and during college buss boy, waiter, bar back and
bartender.
(After college I eventually made senior lead structures engineer at
Boeing and pilot
instructor. Out side of Boeing my flying included flight instructor,
part 135 charter
pilot, freight pilot, corporate, citation captain, commuter, startup
and now national
airline captain. I paid for all my 8 pilot/instructor ratings and one
type rating.
(For you to be such an ass hole to assume someone with an engineering
degree has
no life experience and some how you are better for the lack of your
OWN education,
is well RETARDED. Shame on you, you ignorant, prejudice, bigoted jerk.
I don't assume people are stupid because they drive a truck, but I think
you are truly ignorant. )
(Look I understand you're jealous or have feelings of inadequacies and
inferiority
because of you lack of education. If I designed a VENT system using
the exhaust, it
would be engineered, not just eye balled, but than I am not a genius
like you. I would
measure the pressures in the crank case and in the exhaust separately
under all
conditions, than size it. I'd explain but I am done with you. From my
calculations it is
not value added. To produce negative pressures inside the crank could
have
detrimental affect on the engine!!!!!! GET IT? HELLO. So I say GO FOR
IT BUDDY.
DO IT. I DARE YOU, GO FOR IT. I insist and I want YOU to do it. And if
you are just
going to match or produce a net or neutral vent affect than WHY? What
is the
advantage? NONE. However I learned you are a true man of genius.)))
My motto or mantra is "Build It Per the Plans".
>> Hmmm, question: Who drew the plans, and when? If it was a
human
then I'd like to know if it was on a grumpy Monday morning after
a great
weekend, or on Friday afternoon just before TGIF... And did they
like
their job and get along with their Boss, or were they on their
way out
already anyway? But if the person drawing the plans was a good
engineer,
then I bet they had to experiment to come up with the final
plans.
(Hummm Richard Vangrusven. Heard of him? He is an engineer by degree
and
profession also; he must be dumb and an untalented mechanic. The crank
vent design
is backed up by Cessna, Piper and Beech engineers and other builders
like Steve
Whitman and Tony Bingelis, but what do they know. Do you think this is
a NEW idea?)
You have no way you can guarantee your special drag race
adapted crank
sucker vent into exhaust deal will never get blocked or fail in
some way
you have not thought of.
>> I am not sure where you get the notion that I am into drag
racing.
If you would have paid attention then you would have figured out
that my
ideas are more about improving overall engine performance while
at the
same time making an engine more fuel efficient. I am not
interested in
short burst of power, but rather powerful endurance with
reliability.
About any guarantees: The only thing I care to guarantee you in
this
life is that death is pretty much unavoidable, ...and taxes of
course.
(I don't get any notion from you, but I get you are a jerk and have a
hard-on for me,
so bite me. If you followed the thread (not just nit picking my post)
you will see it
started with people wanting to use a Moroso, Mr. Gasket, Summit or
Jeg's DRAG
RACE evacuation set-ups. They all use valves to avoid back-fires FROM
going into
the engine. DID YOU THINK ABOUT a stack fire or blow back into the
crank
case from the exhaust? NO I did not think so. I DID MY RESEARCH and
the DRAG
set up is to lower the internal crank case pressures to increase ring
seating and
works over a broad range of power, not BURSTS. You don't know what you
are
talking about. I don't think you even know why or what a "super-vent"
will do. What do
you think it is going to do? (keep the belly cleaner, make more power)
Lycomings are
low RPM engines and the oil sump is isolated from the crank. The CAM
SHAFT uses wind-
age (oil splash) for lubrication. You want to cut that down????
Lycoming designs
their compression and oil control rings around a known crank pressure
and you want
to change it? Of course Lycomings where design by engineers and they
are stupid
and you are smart. YEA SCREW LYCOMING; WHAT DO THEY KNOW. BE
CAREFUL WHAT SUCTION YOU PUT ON THE CRANK CASE OF A LYCOMING.
IT IS NOT A CAR ENGINE OR RACE ENGINE. Why do I bother with you?)
Again referring to my first sentence, do what you want, it's
experimental.
>> How come you participate on these lists anyway? The term
"Experimental" does not fit you, and you discourage
experimenting by
WARNING people about something that you have never done, -nor
would ever
do. So how credible are your comments really? How did we ever
get to
the moon (and back!!!) or around the world without refueling
Voyager?
Hmm...
(Dude I have been into experimental aircraft for 21 years, since I was
a young guy
and started my first RV in my 20's. There is nothing wrong about
warning people to
be careful you pud. If you don't respect me or appreciate my
engineering and
experimental builder background, than screw you. What do you know? I
could care
less what you think at this point. I have been helping and supporting
builders for
years and many give me their heart felt thanks, probably 10 to 1, 10
thanks verses
every one like you. There will always be people like you that don't
understand it is
about helping, not about ego or being right. I AM ALL FOR
experimentation, but
when talking modification of FLT CONTROLS, STABILITY or CRITICAL
SYSTEMS
LIKE FUEL OR ENGINE VENTS THAT AFFECT FLIGHT SAFETY, I AM VERY
CONSERVATIVE. SUE ME! Key is knowledge and knowing what you are
getting
into. Experimentation requires you measure and record data and learn.
I don't think
anyone has hard data and I suspect 99.9999% don't care or will use
this idea.)
Performance: Another point (I am just making up), blocking
exhaust
pipe flow with a vent may lower engine performance.
>> Does it really? But how would we know for sure? There is
just one
way to find out (and it is certainly not your way)...
((WHAT? You are a dope. You put one of the vent tubes inside your
little 1.75 pipes
with two cylinders flowing and reduced area (20% less!). The
protrusion is not an
aerodynamic shape. That protrusion extends into a cylinder (exhaust
pipe) with gas
flowing through it (exhaust), and you don't think anything will happen
or the
restriction will be small. OK, well I went to school. and can do the
analytical
calculation. Trust me. Do you know what a pressure wave is, EGP
(exhaust gas
pressure), reflected wave, or pulse effect is? Go study exhaust and
get back to me
when you are not talking out you ass. You don't want things poking
inside the pipes.
It's a negative, may be a small negative but a negative. If you want
to be un-scientific,
biased and do what you want regardless of the data, fine, you and
George Bush have
lots in common. YOUR SOLUTION IS FIXED, AND NO DATA WILL AFFECT YOUR
CONCLUSION. You're right again in your own little mind, no matter. Now
that is dumb.)
A 1/2" tube sticking into the exhaust pipe, which is what the
drag-race kits supply, may lower engine performance. You have to
drill
that 1/2" hole into the pipe and weld the tube into the exhaust
pipe,
that extends a good bit into the exhaust flow. Now in a BIG drag
race
header with +3" tubes it may not be a big deal, we have 1.75"
dia
exhaust typically. Our smaller pipe with a 1/2" tube extending
into it
can't be great for flow, thus HP, at least at high power.
>> This 1/2" tube all-by-itself "may" restrict exhaust flow
ever so
slightly, but once this pipe is hooked up for scavenging
purposes of the
crankcase, then the resultant overall power-increase more then
overcomes
the cost of doing business. The same is true for Turbo- &
Superchargers.
Can you imagine the immense exhaust restriction which the
turbine wheel
of my Cummins Turbo Diesel poses inside the exhaust stream of my
Dodge
Ram. But this allows it to exert energy from an otherwise wasted
source
of dirty hot air and then it actually turns this nearly gone
energy into
boost to feed that bitchin' motor with compressed air, thereby
increasing its output immensely. And the Cummins boys only found
that
out by (dare I say it...) EXPERIMENTING with their engines! Can
you
tell that I love my Cummins, ...especially when it is singing
under full
boost going uphill whilst accelerating with a heavy load towed
behind.
(A TURBO CHARGER IS NOT A CRANK VENT, geeee. Your analogy in
engineering
terms is what we call BULL SHIT. Resultant power increase? REALLY
POWER
increase. You lectured me about turbo chargers? Please. Now the Vent
is going to
"super charge" the engine . Tell me about this Vent power increase and
how that
works? You may just increase ring seating, friction and cylinder wear,
causing less oil
flow thru the rings? You are guessing and that is clear. You just want
to argue with
me, and you are defenseless. BTW, WHO are the Cummins guys? Engineers,
Da U think?
You are telling me how a turbo charger works....ha ha ha ha ha ha)
(How many tansmissions, engines (plane/car/truck) have you built from
bare block/case?)
(About 20 major build ups for me, including the O-360-A1A I am flying
now. BTW I put a custom turbo charger on my Suzuki GS1000 motorcycle in
1980. I have flown many piston twin aircraft w/ turbo chargers,
including manual waste gates. I know about turbo
chargers on planes, cars, motorcycles but thanks for sharing.)
My RV has 4-into-1 with 1.75" pipes going into a 2.25"
collector, but
the large collector is mostly outside the airplane. A tube
hanging off
the collector outside the cowl would cause drag and look odd. I
just
can't see drilling big 1/2" hole into my exhaust pipe, but more
power to
you. (no pun intended)
>> You must be kidding me, you actually have 4>1 headers on
your plane
and don't use it to create vacuum! That is so sad & even
shameful...
Let me know when your RV-4 comes up for sale, as it may be a
decent
platform to get started with hotrodding... you know, the
dangerous
kind!!! It is never too late to improve that little sucker (no
pun
intended either)
(WHAT? First my RV-4 did not have 4-into-1, I miss spoke, it is my
current plane a
RV-7. The RV-4 had custom 2 into 1's I made myself, and the plane is
sold; It was a
show winner and also a race winner. Up against 160 HP RV's it won and
I only had
150 HP. My 180 HP RV-7 has a custom 4-into-1 pipes I designed and had
welded at
Aircraft Exhaust Technologies, and there is just no place to put a big
BUNG HOLE to
suck my crank case as I said. Also the pipes are "Tuned" and I don't
want to stick
things into the pipe to destroy the EGP (exhaust gas pressure) wave
and savaging.)
(You have NO CLUE, the experimentation I do with my plane, which is
well past what
you could imagine. My spinner, cowl, cooling plenum, tires, wheel,
gear and wing tip
firings, exhaust ignition, induction are all custom, hand-made (by me)
or special parts.
Please BUZZ OFF with your high and mighty bull shit. I have been at
plane
experimentation longer than you.)
Now have yourself a nice Sunday, and don't take my opinions
too
personal.
Disclaimer: No one should try to modify any engine or its
associated
systems, unless they have a clear understanding of the potential
consequences these modifications may result in !!!
(Chicken SHIT, be a man go out there where no one has gone before ACE,
put that
big hole in your pipe and garden hose up into it, GO FOR IT! Do you
even have a plane?)
Sincerely George, Bite Me, have a nice weekend, don't take it
personal.... and when you get a clue let me know.............twit!
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| Subject: | Re: Breather run into exhaust (warning again) |
Does Matt have ANYTHING to say about all of this? What's the point of
sending out the monthly "rules" message if the list is going to be hijacked
time and time again by the usual suspects?
Matt?
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> Does Matt have ANYTHING to say about all of this? What's the point of sending
out the monthly "rules" message if the list is going to be hijacked time and
time again by the usual suspects?
Bob,
You mean as in banning a subscriber or censoring certain posts?
That would not be a good thing in the mainstream press nor here. If you do not
like someones posts simply ignore them, scroll by, do not respond, and erase their
e-mail.
If it makes you feel good make a post asking for their last name, or maybe even
threaten to resign form the list.
Those responses are certain to instill fear into the heart the perceived miscreant.
gmc frequently has some good info to impart buried in his posts. Glean the good
and ignore what you like.
I remember the thread about the Arlington lawsuit where I found your thoughts and
attitudes quite repugnant and had thoughts of "he should be banned from the
list" but then we would have lost access to all of the good you provide and others
would have avoided posting their views for fear of sanctions. What a shame
that would be.
Censorship and expulsion do nothing more than quell discussion and decrease participation.
There is at least one list on this forum where the moderators acerbic responses
and condescending attitude to the simplest of questions and responses has effectively
censored the list causing a loss of input from many valuable contributors.
Spend your time and effort on the barbecue, life is too short to develop an ulcer
over someone elses behavior.
--------
Milt
2003 F1 Rocket
2006 Radial Rocket
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Breather run into exhaust (warning again) |
No, I mean like in following the rules of the list.
I don't think the people who post to this list own the list or set the
policy for others on the list. I think Matt Dralle does that. And we should
respect his wishes.
We're not talking about VIEWS one finds repugnant. We're talking about the
method of communication.
The two are not the same.
That's why I think the next voice you hear answering my question should be
Matt Dralle's and only Matt Dralle's. And his answer is the only one that
should matter in regards to how we conduct ourselves.
Please? And thank you.
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of N395V
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 8:47 AM
Subject: RV-List: Re: Breather run into exhaust (warning again)
> Does Matt have ANYTHING to say about all of this? What's the point of
> sending out the monthly "rules" message if the list is going to be
> hijacked time and time again by the usual suspects?
Bob,
You mean as in banning a subscriber or censoring certain posts?
That would not be a good thing in the mainstream press nor here. If you do
not like someones posts simply ignore them, scroll by, do not respond,
and erase their e-mail.
If it makes you feel good make a post asking for their last name, or maybe
even threaten to resign form the list. Those responses are certain to
instill fear into the heart the perceived miscreant.
gmc frequently has some good info to impart buried in his posts. Glean the
good and ignore what you like.
I remember the thread about the Arlington lawsuit where I found your
thoughts and attitudes quite repugnant and had thoughts of "he should be
banned from the list" but then we would have lost access to all of the good
you provide and others would have avoided posting their views for fear of
sanctions. What a shame that would be.
Censorship and expulsion do nothing more than quell discussion and decrease
participation.
There is at least one list on this forum where the moderators acerbic
responses and condescending attitude to the simplest of questions and
responses has effectively censored the list causing a loss of input from
many valuable contributors.
Spend your time and effort on the barbecue, life is too short to develop an
ulcer over someone elses behavior.
--------
Milt
2003 F1 Rocket
2006 Radial Rocket
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=119101#119101
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| Subject: | Re: The "real" John Porter |
Hey John,
Good to hear that you came out alive through all of this nonsense.
Sorry that my original post caused your "real" name to be put through
the mud by the Troll.
"Respectfully" yours (unlike the Troll)
Konrad
----- Original Message -----
From: John Porter
To: gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 6:39 AM
Subject: RV-List: The "real" John Porter
Hi there,
I just got back from a trip and saw my name being traded about.
None of those comments are mine! I was pasting the first set of stuff
to a friend and (as someone figured out) accidentally placed the pasting
back on the list. Then people copied it to respond to you. Dude, you
need to lay off the caffeine or get some help. This list is not that
important to me. I have gotten some good information but am really
tired of the rants, particularly yours.
For anyone else who's interested, I finally finished RV-8 tailkit
80002 and have the airworthiness certificate. Only took over 10 years,
3 cross-country moves, 2 kids in college, same bride, and meeting some
great friends who helped make it possible. I'll fly it after taking
training from Mike Seager, sure hope it flys great! So whoever has
tailkit 80003, you are now the slowest builder, let the riveting
continue..............ha,ha
Signing off the list,
John
N802RJ (waited a long time for that)
(a whole bunch of ratings, hours, and types for me to know
about................just me)
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com
To: december29@bellsouth.net
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 10:14 PM
Subject: RV-list Yea one or 10 more thing about crank vents
A couple of things to ADD John:
Time: 01:09:34 PM PST US From: "John Porter"
<december29@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re:
Hi there George (what is your last name anyway?)
I've got some spare time this afternoon to answer your
logic, so here
it goes:
(None of your business)
Konrad: Interesting but a few things. I did not say or
intend that
the NTSB examples had anything to do with drag race crank
evacuation via
exhaust failures or accidents.
>> So why bring them up then? If anyone wants to read any
UN-related
NTSB reports about someone elses accidents, then they can do
so at will
and at their topics of choice. But you certainly took the
time to find
these accident reports, and now you say these reports have
nothing to do
with the topic we were discussing... What were you thinking?
...a bit
confused?
(Because they are unrelated to venting of the crank-case with the
exhaust.)
In fact these Drag Vents are just NOT done in most cars.
It's made for
drag racers with open pipes only.
>> This statement is so absolutely NOT true. They are ALSO
used in
drag racers, as well as other efficient performance engines of
many
kinds, including aviation engines (can you believe that???)
The reason
they are not done in most cars may have more to do with
governmentally
implied emission control then anything else.
(BULL SHIT. I am into drag racing or was. These vents only work
properly on open
headers (big ones) and don't work well with mufflers ace. THAT IS
THE REASON,
because cars have MUFFLERS the don't work. PCV or positive crank
ventilation
was always from the rocker cover to the air-filter housing. Yes our
airplanes have
open headers, but you are lying about their wide spread use is on
airplanes.
..................................... What planes have an exhaust
evacuation of the crank
case? N #, model & pictures please. Factory plane? I am all ears. I
am not talking
about your plane, if you even have this on your plane; send pictures
if you do with
detailed sizes................ Do you know WHY drag racers use crank
vents thru the
headers? I BET YOU DON'T. The effect could damage or change the way
the rings
seat and change the oil film on the jug of a LYCOMING, possibly
increasing wear.
Doha! You did not think of that did you.........dee-dee-dee.)
Now I'm not saying in can't or won't work on a little plane,
but my
point of posting the NTSB reports is, if (Big IF) your crank
vent gets
blocked for whatever the reason in the exhaust pipe or out of
the pipe,
it can be BAD. Agree?
>> I agree that if the crankvent get's blocked then you are
in for a
surprise landing. But we were talking about the "improvement"
of
breathing, which is the exact opposite of what you are talking
about...
(Wow you agree. You are cavalier with your attitude and shows how
little you
understand about making this change. One little change can affect
many things and
have unintended consequences. I am smart enough to know to be
careful and not be
such a cocky know it all like you. There is NO standard design
builders have for this
exhaust vent design, so mistakes can be made. You either buy the
DRAG race
design (made for 3" pipes and V8's) OR as some make them your self
design,
with potential problems that have yet been considered or are known,
since so few
planes have this. One guy said use a 0.125" pill. WHAT? That is
likely to get
blocked. This is NOT a no brain-er.)
Your idea of "Tees" and all kind of stuff just makes me
think, why.
KISS principle. You know what that is, Keep It Simple Stupid.
Keep it
light, cheap, simpler, quicker to build and easier to
maintain......and
so on.
>> One has to be able to get a clear understanding of the
idea at
hand. But if it is beyond grasp, then I certainly recommend to
follow
your rule: Keep It Simple, Stupid...
(Bit me)
I can't see why your idea might not work, but it sounds odd.
No
offense it just does not sound right off the top of my head,
but it may
be brilliant.
>> I agree with you there, it sure is a brilliant idea! But
I don't
think I can take credit for it, as most of what I have learned
throughout live I've highly likely learned from someone else
that went
there before me, and I always listen to people smarter then me
when it
comes to a subject of interest. But I can certainly
understand that the
idea may sound odd to someone not 100% familiar with the
intricate
interactive workings of a liquid fueled internal combustion
power plant
that turns flaming hot air into rotational forces. There are
operators,
and then there are Mechanics...
(Dude I have built 2 RV's for my self and helped on several others
but still learn and
from every one. Don't lecture me. My OPINION stands on its own, take
it or leave it.
If you don't like my critical review of some idea, than too bad. YOU
HAVE TO BE
CRITICAL WHEN SAFETY IS INVOLVED. My opinions are reasoned. Prove
there
are NO critical failure modes or negative affect on engine
operations. We know the
"STANDARD" blockage is icing on a typical vent, but unlikely if you
follow van's plan, by
placing the vent exit above and near the hot exhaust. Have you built
a RV? EVER?
You get the benefit for burning any oil/water off, with no holes or
welding or extra
fittings. I don't give a shit if you agree or not; take it or leave
it. I just want you to
PROVE its safe to connect the crank and exhaust on a plane. PROVE
IT. )
Again I am a KISS principle guy. I fly big jets and have an
engineering background, so I appreciate complicated systems
and
creativity; its just not needed in my opinion.
>> You fly big jets, yet you believe in KISS??? What is
simple about
complex jets? I don't know anything about your engineering
background,
nor do I care, but I have seen an aeronautical engineer try to
cut a
piece of sheet metal stock with a hacksaw once, and it was
extremely
entertaining for us all to watch, although the part became
unusable for
the project we worked on, so I made a new one for him.
Needless to say,
he did not earn our respect, but he knew his formula's. But
his
calculations took longer then for us to build the parts with
grass roots
engineering. Therefore, by you having an engineering
background of
whatever kind does not impress me much at all, as many people
can study
for a test and pass it without ever gaining a clear
understanding of the
subject matter at hand. However, I do truly care about the
Wilbur's,
Orville's, Ben's, Bob's & Rutan type of engineers. True
hands-on
Experimenters, ...not bookworms that hide behind a calculator,
pen or
PC.
(((Yea engineers are stupid and have two left hands and can't build
anything. Your
contempt for educated people is clear with "not bookworms that hide
behind a
calculator, pen or PC". Clearly the Lockheed SR-71 of Kelly Johnson
was just thrown
together with just mechanics. Also going to the moon was just a
bunch of
"mechanics". First transistor? Yep Engineers just got in the way of
real men of
genesis, the mechanics. My RV-4, I built/sold won workmanship awards
at EAA
fly-in's so BITE ME. My 1969 Camaro and my 1967 won awards on the
track and
show line. Only people with out education say what you say.
(Burt Rutan has engineering degrees and is a builder. No mechanic
could do what he
does. Richard Vangrunsven, yep an engineer degree and
designer/builder. Wilbur &
Orville used scientific engineering methods, wind tunnel, data
gathering, math and
researched the works of other mathematicians and scientist; plus
they learned how to
cast an engine case and take a sheet of steel and drill a crank
shaft out of it. Pretty
amazing and all based on engineering. In other words they where
smart to read what
engineers and scientist knew and how they did it.
(So you are proving that engineers design things and have great
skill making
complicated things with their own hands. The idea engineers are poor
mechanics is
just a faults stereotype told by the immature people and frankly men
with little minds,
big egos and small dicks. Also sitting at a desk with a calculator
and PC is dumb? (as
you said).......You obviously are a shoot from the hip, gut feel,
shade tree mechanic
type who knows more than any engineer. GOT IT. You told me off.
(Yes I have a masters in engineering and very proud of it. I paid
for every nickel of my
undergrad, working my way through college but still finished on the
deans list. What
have you done? Boeing paid for my graduate degree BTW. You can't
understand
unless you're an engineer, but if it was easy, more people would
have engineering
degrees. Oh by the way, between high school and college I was a 2nd
class ship-fitter
in a large ship-yard for a year and a half. Started as a tack welder
and in three
months they found out I could read and also read blue prints and lay
out bulkheads,
so they promoted me to 3rd, than 2nd class ship-fitter in one year.
Also during and after
HS I worked at a gas station attendant and mechanic, pumped gas,
changed oil, bats,
alts, starters, radiators, tires, clutch and heads. I been a paper
boy, grocery clerk/stocker,
cashier, dish washer and during college buss boy, waiter, bar back
and bartender.
(After college I eventually made senior lead structures engineer at
Boeing and pilot
instructor. Out side of Boeing my flying included flight
instructor, part 135 charter
pilot, freight pilot, corporate, citation captain, commuter, startup
and now national
airline captain. I paid for all my 8 pilot/instructor ratings and
one type rating.
(For you to be such an ass hole to assume someone with an
engineering degree has
no life experience and some how you are better for the lack of your
OWN education,
is well RETARDED. Shame on you, you ignorant, prejudice, bigoted
jerk. I don't assume people are stupid because they drive a truck, but I
think you are truly ignorant. )
(Look I understand you're jealous or have feelings of inadequacies
and inferiority
because of you lack of education. If I designed a VENT system using
the exhaust, it
would be engineered, not just eye balled, but than I am not a genius
like you. I would
measure the pressures in the crank case and in the exhaust
separately under all
conditions, than size it. I'd explain but I am done with you. From
my calculations it is
not value added. To produce negative pressures inside the crank
could have
detrimental affect on the engine!!!!!! GET IT? HELLO. So I say GO
FOR IT BUDDY.
DO IT. I DARE YOU, GO FOR IT. I insist and I want YOU to do it. And
if you are just
going to match or produce a net or neutral vent affect than WHY?
What is the
advantage? NONE. However I learned you are a true man of genius.)))
My motto or mantra is "Build It Per the Plans".
>> Hmmm, question: Who drew the plans, and when? If it was a
human
then I'd like to know if it was on a grumpy Monday morning
after a great
weekend, or on Friday afternoon just before TGIF... And did
they like
their job and get along with their Boss, or were they on their
way out
already anyway? But if the person drawing the plans was a good
engineer,
then I bet they had to experiment to come up with the final
plans.
(Hummm Richard Vangrusven. Heard of him? He is an engineer by degree
and
profession also; he must be dumb and an untalented mechanic. The
crank vent design
is backed up by Cessna, Piper and Beech engineers and other
builders like Steve
Whitman and Tony Bingelis, but what do they know. Do you think this
is a NEW idea?)
You have no way you can guarantee your special drag race
adapted crank
sucker vent into exhaust deal will never get blocked or fail
in some way
you have not thought of.
>> I am not sure where you get the notion that I am into
drag racing.
If you would have paid attention then you would have figured
out that my
ideas are more about improving overall engine performance
while at the
same time making an engine more fuel efficient. I am not
interested in
short burst of power, but rather powerful endurance with
reliability.
About any guarantees: The only thing I care to guarantee you
in this
life is that death is pretty much unavoidable, ...and taxes of
course.
(I don't get any notion from you, but I get you are a jerk and have
a hard-on for me,
so bite me. If you followed the thread (not just nit picking my
post) you will see it
started with people wanting to use a Moroso, Mr. Gasket, Summit or
Jeg's DRAG
RACE evacuation set-ups. They all use valves to avoid back-fires
FROM going into
the engine. DID YOU THINK ABOUT a stack fire or blow back into the
crank
case from the exhaust? NO I did not think so. I DID MY RESEARCH and
the DRAG
set up is to lower the internal crank case pressures to increase
ring seating and
works over a broad range of power, not BURSTS. You don't know what
you are
talking about. I don't think you even know why or what a
"super-vent" will do. What do
you think it is going to do? (keep the belly cleaner, make more
power) Lycomings are
low RPM engines and the oil sump is isolated from the crank. The CAM
SHAFT uses wind-
age (oil splash) for lubrication. You want to cut that down????
Lycoming designs
their compression and oil control rings around a known crank
pressure and you want
to change it? Of course Lycomings where design by engineers and they
are stupid
and you are smart. YEA SCREW LYCOMING; WHAT DO THEY KNOW. BE
CAREFUL WHAT SUCTION YOU PUT ON THE CRANK CASE OF A LYCOMING.
IT IS NOT A CAR ENGINE OR RACE ENGINE. Why do I bother with you?)
Again referring to my first sentence, do what you want, it's
experimental.
>> How come you participate on these lists anyway? The term
"Experimental" does not fit you, and you discourage
experimenting by
WARNING people about something that you have never done, -nor
would ever
do. So how credible are your comments really? How did we ever
get to
the moon (and back!!!) or around the world without refueling
Voyager?
Hmm...
(Dude I have been into experimental aircraft for 21 years, since I
was a young guy
and started my first RV in my 20's. There is nothing wrong about
warning people to
be careful you pud. If you don't respect me or appreciate my
engineering and
experimental builder background, than screw you. What do you know? I
could care
less what you think at this point. I have been helping and
supporting builders for
years and many give me their heart felt thanks, probably 10 to 1, 10
thanks verses
every one like you. There will always be people like you that don't
understand it is
about helping, not about ego or being right. I AM ALL FOR
experimentation, but
when talking modification of FLT CONTROLS, STABILITY or CRITICAL
SYSTEMS
LIKE FUEL OR ENGINE VENTS THAT AFFECT FLIGHT SAFETY, I AM VERY
CONSERVATIVE. SUE ME! Key is knowledge and knowing what you are
getting
into. Experimentation requires you measure and record data and
learn. I don't think
anyone has hard data and I suspect 99.9999% don't care or will use
this idea.)
Performance: Another point (I am just making up), blocking
exhaust
pipe flow with a vent may lower engine performance.
>> Does it really? But how would we know for sure? There
is just one
way to find out (and it is certainly not your way)...
((WHAT? You are a dope. You put one of the vent tubes inside your
little 1.75 pipes
with two cylinders flowing and reduced area (20% less!). The
protrusion is not an
aerodynamic shape. That protrusion extends into a cylinder (exhaust
pipe) with gas
flowing through it (exhaust), and you don't think anything will
happen or the
restriction will be small. OK, well I went to school. and can do the
analytical
calculation. Trust me. Do you know what a pressure wave is, EGP
(exhaust gas
pressure), reflected wave, or pulse effect is? Go study exhaust and
get back to me
when you are not talking out you ass. You don't want things poking
inside the pipes.
It's a negative, may be a small negative but a negative. If you want
to be un-scientific,
biased and do what you want regardless of the data, fine, you and
George Bush have
lots in common. YOUR SOLUTION IS FIXED, AND NO DATA WILL AFFECT YOUR
CONCLUSION. You're right again in your own little mind, no matter.
Now that is dumb.)
A 1/2" tube sticking into the exhaust pipe, which is what
the
drag-race kits supply, may lower engine performance. You have
to drill
that 1/2" hole into the pipe and weld the tube into the
exhaust pipe,
that extends a good bit into the exhaust flow. Now in a BIG
drag race
header with +3" tubes it may not be a big deal, we have 1.75"
dia
exhaust typically. Our smaller pipe with a 1/2" tube
extending into it
can't be great for flow, thus HP, at least at high power.
>> This 1/2" tube all-by-itself "may" restrict exhaust flow
ever so
slightly, but once this pipe is hooked up for scavenging
purposes of the
crankcase, then the resultant overall power-increase more then
overcomes
the cost of doing business. The same is true for Turbo- &
Superchargers.
Can you imagine the immense exhaust restriction which the
turbine wheel
of my Cummins Turbo Diesel poses inside the exhaust stream of
my Dodge
Ram. But this allows it to exert energy from an otherwise
wasted source
of dirty hot air and then it actually turns this nearly gone
energy into
boost to feed that bitchin' motor with compressed air, thereby
increasing its output immensely. And the Cummins boys only
found that
out by (dare I say it...) EXPERIMENTING with their engines!
Can you
tell that I love my Cummins, ...especially when it is singing
under full
boost going uphill whilst accelerating with a heavy load towed
behind.
(A TURBO CHARGER IS NOT A CRANK VENT, geeee. Your analogy in
engineering
terms is what we call BULL SHIT. Resultant power increase? REALLY
POWER
increase. You lectured me about turbo chargers? Please. Now the Vent
is going to
"super charge" the engine . Tell me about this Vent power increase
and how that
works? You may just increase ring seating, friction and cylinder
wear, causing less oil
flow thru the rings? You are guessing and that is clear. You just
want to argue with
me, and you are defenseless. BTW, WHO are the Cummins guys?
Engineers, Da U think?
You are telling me how a turbo charger works....ha ha ha ha ha ha)
(How many tansmissions, engines (plane/car/truck) have you built
from bare block/case?)
(About 20 major build ups for me, including the O-360-A1A I am
flying now. BTW I put a custom turbo charger on my Suzuki GS1000
motorcycle in 1980. I have flown many piston twin aircraft w/ turbo
chargers, including manual waste gates. I know about turbo
chargers on planes, cars, motorcycles but thanks for sharing.)
My RV has 4-into-1 with 1.75" pipes going into a 2.25"
collector, but
the large collector is mostly outside the airplane. A tube
hanging off
the collector outside the cowl would cause drag and look odd.
I just
can't see drilling big 1/2" hole into my exhaust pipe, but
more power to
you. (no pun intended)
>> You must be kidding me, you actually have 4>1 headers on
your plane
and don't use it to create vacuum! That is so sad & even
shameful...
Let me know when your RV-4 comes up for sale, as it may be a
decent
platform to get started with hotrodding... you know, the
dangerous
kind!!! It is never too late to improve that little sucker
(no pun
intended either)
(WHAT? First my RV-4 did not have 4-into-1, I miss spoke, it is my
current plane a
RV-7. The RV-4 had custom 2 into 1's I made myself, and the plane is
sold; It was a
show winner and also a race winner. Up against 160 HP RV's it won
and I only had
150 HP. My 180 HP RV-7 has a custom 4-into-1 pipes I designed and
had welded at
Aircraft Exhaust Technologies, and there is just no place to put a
big BUNG HOLE to
suck my crank case as I said. Also the pipes are "Tuned" and I don't
want to stick
things into the pipe to destroy the EGP (exhaust gas pressure) wave
and savaging.)
(You have NO CLUE, the experimentation I do with my plane, which is
well past what
you could imagine. My spinner, cowl, cooling plenum, tires, wheel,
gear and wing tip
firings, exhaust ignition, induction are all custom, hand-made (by
me) or special parts.
Please BUZZ OFF with your high and mighty bull shit. I have been at
plane
experimentation longer than you.)
Now have yourself a nice Sunday, and don't take my opinions
too
personal.
Disclaimer: No one should try to modify any engine or its
associated
systems, unless they have a clear understanding of the
potential
consequences these modifications may result in !!!
(Chicken SHIT, be a man go out there where no one has gone before
ACE, put that
big hole in your pipe and garden hose up into it, GO FOR IT! Do you
even have a plane?)
Sincerely George, Bite Me, have a nice weekend, don't take it
personal.... and when you get a clue let me know.............twit!
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| Subject: | Re: Breather run into exhaust (warning again) |
Morning Bob,
I laughed so hard too, matter of fact I am still trying to regain my
breath.....
The little Troll showed that he did not pay any attention-, nor did he
understand what exactly you had said. It sure did all make sense to me.
He has really no clue about a lot of things mechanical. He just likes to
hear himself talk & talk & talk. But I would not mind that, *IF* it were
in a much more "respectful" way instead of offending the many listers
reading the list by wasting their time with "Troll-Rant".
Cheers,
Konrad
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob J.
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 5:39 AM
Subject: RV-List: Re: Breather run into exhaust (warning again)
PS I have been at it a long time and probably younger than you
so you will be going away first, ha ha. I'm Done
Boy did I just get a good chuckle out of your email. Hopefully you
are done but as history has shown, you cannot stand to be put in your
place.
Once again you rant and rave with spew pure conjecture, name calling
etc., without providing ANY of your own experiences or data you've come
up with on your own or anything substantive to back any of your claims.
FWIW I am 35 years old, and have been here on this list since 1994.
And you somehow know the date in which I will expire? LOL! Somehow you
are so all-knowing that you think you are younger and more experienced??
And you've obviously never operated an engine with chrome cylinders.
You must be clairvoyant, not ever seeing my engine or looking at the oil
analyses to determine its worn out.
Regards,
Bob Japundza
RV-6 flying F1 under const.
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| Subject: | Re: Breather run into exhaust (warning again) |
Matt probably doesn't read all the lists that carefully. The volume
would be crippling. If you want his input, a personal email might help.
-Joe
On Jun 18, 2007, at 9:23 AM, Bob Collins wrote:
> <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
>
> No, I mean like in following the rules of the list.
>
> I don't think the people who post to this list own the list or set the
> policy for others on the list. I think Matt Dralle does that. And
> we should
> respect his wishes.
>
> We're not talking about VIEWS one finds repugnant. We're talking
> about the
> method of communication.
>
> The two are not the same.
>
> That's why I think the next voice you hear answering my question
> should be
> Matt Dralle's and only Matt Dralle's. And his answer is the only
> one that
> should matter in regards to how we conduct ourselves.
>
> Please? And thank you.
>
> Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Duckworks lenses cracking |
Ralph,
Don Wentz, aka "Duck" I bet would be more than happy to help you, since he
makes these things..._duckworks@comcast.net_
(mailto:things...duckworks@comcast.net)
HTH,
Jerry Cochran
From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
Subject: RV-List: Duckworks lenses cracking
Lighting question....
I installed my lights according to instructions - strapping tape, 75
degrees, and all...
<snip>
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| Subject: | Re: Duckworks lenses cracking |
Thanks Jerry,
I responded to Ralph on the RV-10 list, I'm sure we'll chat soon.
Don 'The Duck'
RV-6 989 hrs
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry2DT@aol.com
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 11:04 AM
Subject: RV-List: Re: Duckworks lenses cracking
Ralph,
Don Wentz, aka "Duck" I bet would be more than happy to help you, since he
makes these things...duckworks@comcast.net
<mailto:things...duckworks@comcast.net>
HTH,
Jerry Cochran
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| Subject: | Re: Oil - where to buy? |
I get my oil here:
http://www.eliteetc.com/expisoil.html
Surfing the web with my laptop from Hopkinsville, KY
Visit my RV7A website: http://webpages.charter.net/bobbyhester/MyFlyingRV7A.htm
Ralph E. Capen wrote:
>
> Where are you getting your oil and filters?
>
> I'll be needing some break-in oil and some regular oil for when I
> restart my Aerosport O360.....
>
> Thanks,
> Ralph
>
>
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| Subject: | Supplier Problem |
What would you do?
The first week of February, 2007, I deposited $1,000 with a well known
RV-related supplier for a sub-assembly for an RV. After three months and
no word I contacted the supplier only to learn that parts necessary for
the product were not even ordered yet.
I received a promise that the material necessary would be ordered that
very day and that the product would be made as soon as possible. That
was six weeks ago.
The supplier knows I will be unable to fly the airplane after the end of
this month and that flying to Oshkosh now seems highly improbable.
I didn't get a response to my latest e-mail, so I guess I'll call
tomorrow and see what new promises I get, and perhaps ask for my money
back (lot'sa luck!!)
How would you handle a situation like this?
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| Subject: | Re: Supplier Problem |
On 16:24 2007-06-18 John Fasching <n1cxo320@salidaco.com> wrote:
> The first week of February, 2007, I deposited $1,000 with a well
> known RV-related supplier for a sub-assembly for an RV. After three
> months and no word I contacted the supplier only to learn that parts
> necessary for the product were not even ordered yet.
>
> ...
>
> How would you handle a situation like this?
So far, i'd do the same things you have. Communicate regularly with them,
and give them a reasonable time to make good on their committment. If that
doesn't achieve the desired results I would start looking elsewhere for an
alternative.
If they are the only supplier of a part you really want (or have built with
the expectation of receiving, ie. you have a hole for a specific-size EFIS
display in your panel), then there's not a lot you can do. Your options
are to wait, or to rebuild.
If you are confident that they will *eventually* get it done, your best
option may be to wait, and try to negotiate a discount on the remainder of
the work to compensate for the delay. If you're not confident that they
will be able to complete the job *at all*, you may want to start rebuilding
now to fit an alternative.
-Rob
PS - Oh, and I would also do as you have, and not name the company or the
product until I was able to negotiate a resolution to the issue. Good
karma.
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| Subject: | Upholstery around KHWD |
Does anyone know a good aircraft upholstery shop around Hayward, CA?
Closest one I can find is Columbia, CA. I'm trying to get carpet fitted,
bound and installed. I've got the carpet and padding.
Thanks,
Parker Thomas
____________________________________
F. Parker Thomas
me@parkerthomas.com
www.parkerthomas.com
Phone 510-393-9876
Fax 510-225-2358
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| Subject: | Supplier Problem |
//The supplier knows I will be unable to fly the airplane after the end of
this month and that flying to Oshkosh now seems highly improbable.
It sounds like you're flying now but won't be able to fly after this month.
What kind of sub assembly are we talkin' about?
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Upholstery around KHWD |
Try Belardi Interiors at Watsonville Airport: 831-724-0619
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Parker Thomas
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 5:02 PM
Subject: RV-List: Upholstery around KHWD
Does anyone know a good aircraft upholstery shop around Hayward, CA?
Closest one I can find is Columbia, CA. I'm trying to get carpet fitted,
bound and installed. I've got the carpet and padding.
Thanks,
Parker Thomas
____________________________________
F. Parker Thomas
me@parkerthomas.com
www.parkerthomas.com
Phone 510-393-9876
Fax 510-225-2358
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| Subject: | battery location |
Not to start the battery wars again but has anyone installed 2 PC680
batteries and put one up front somewhere, ie. Firewall. If so, where does
it fit and how is it on W&B. I know Tim has smaller batteries under his
seat I believe.
Rick Leach
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