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1. 05:04 AM - Automatic Flap Positioning System for sale *NEW* (Matt Reeves)
2. 06:55 AM - Lower wing skin rivet pattern (James H Nelson)
3. 08:21 AM - falcon TC (Wheeler North)
4. 11:10 AM - Gust Locks? (Garry)
5. 11:26 AM - Re: Gust Locks? (luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky))
6. 12:14 PM - Gust Locks? (James H Nelson)
7. 01:31 PM - Re: Gust Locks? (Tim Bryan)
8. 02:09 PM - For Sale: RV3 canopy cover (Rick Fogerson)
9. 02:34 PM - Re: Gust Locks? (Ron Lee)
10. 04:45 PM - Re: Gust Locks? (Garry)
11. 05:35 PM - Vote for Internal Gust Locks was Gust Locks? (Ed Anderson)
12. 07:09 PM - Re: Gust Locks? (Larry Bowen)
13. 07:16 PM - Re: Vote for Internal Gust Locks was Gust Locks? (David Leonard)
14. 07:24 PM - Rudder Lock (Richard Dudley)
15. 07:39 PM - Re: Vote for Internal Gust Locks was Gust Locks? (Ron Lee)
16. 09:08 PM - Re: Gust Locks? (Vanremog@AOL.COM)
17. 09:22 PM - Re: Rudder Lock (Rob Prior)
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| Subject: | Automatic Flap Positioning System for sale *NEW* |
We decided not to use this system on our RV-7A so we listed it on ebay. Right
now the bidding is at $50 so if anyone is interested, take a look.
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We also have an Electronics International Primary Remote Switch:
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| Subject: | Lower wing skin rivet pattern |
Some one has the pattern to rivet on the last lower skin on the quick
built wings for the RV9. Who has that pattern.
RV9Jim@Juno.com
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Wow,
You got 300 hours out of one of those???
I didn't get 300 hours out of three of them so Vans finally gave me my money
back.
So I put a Trio Avionics Autopilot there instead. (Actually it was a Navaid
at first because the old guys at Trio had yet to invent their great products
in time for my impatient demands. They've since more than made up for this
failing although they are now a lot older because of those impatient
demands....)
;{)
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I'm about to embark on my first "overnight" cross country, from Tampa to
Wisconsin Rapids. I got to thinking about the need for gust locks for my
rudder, elevators and ailerons. What have others done that is relatively
light weight and non bulky?
Garry Stout
RV7A, Tampa Florida
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pull your control stick back and wrap your seat belt around it snugly. takes care
of ail & ele.
I have a tail dragger so double chalking my TW takes care of the rudder. Try parking
into the predominent wind. There's lots of things you can do. I've seen
everything from duct taping the rudder's over center couterbalance to the fixed
VS to fancy home made clamps but don't know how to describe to make them.
If run down to an airport with outside parked airplanes like cessnas you can
see what i mean about the different types of "clamps".
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Garry" <garrys@tampabay.rr.com>
>
> I'm about to embark on my first "overnight" cross country, from Tampa to
> Wisconsin Rapids. I got to thinking about the need for gust locks for my
> rudder, elevators and ailerons. What have others done that is relatively
> light weight and non bulky?
>
> Garry Stout
> RV7A, Tampa Florida
>
>
>
>
>
>
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<DIV>pull your control stick back and wrap your seat belt around it snugly.
takes care of ail & ele.</DIV>
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<DIV>I have a tail dragger so double chalking my TW takes care of the rudder.
Try parking into the predominent wind. There's lots of things you can
do. I've seen everything from duct taping the rudder's over center couterbalance
to the fixed VS to fancy home made clamps but don't know how to describe
to make them. If run down to an airport with outside parked airplanes
like cessnas you can see what i mean about the different types of "clamps".</DIV>
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Hi Garry,
When are you leaving? I've got a few pix of some devices used on
Rv's. A pin that has two 90 deg bends on the ends, will lock your rudder
in position.
__________
{ } One end is put in a hole in
your rudder stop and one in your rudder bracket.
I have some pix of these devices at home. If you are interested, give me
a nudge. I think the seat belt and the rudder locking pin (with the
appropriate red flag attached so you don' forget to remove it.) will do
a good job for the moment. Since we have tri-gears, I think that will
suffice. I think that having the tail with the elevators in the full up
position is not the best position. I will probably use the devices that
lock the elevator in the horizontal position so "wind up your tail" won't
cause the airplane to load the nose gear.
Jim
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I have been fastening my seat belt around the stick, but be sure you do the
stick in YOUR seat. That way you shouldn't be inclined to forget to undo
it. I know, seems ridiculous, but it has happened.
Tim
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Garry
> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 1:11 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Gust Locks?
>
>
> I'm about to embark on my first "overnight" cross country, from Tampa to
> Wisconsin Rapids. I got to thinking about the need for gust locks for my
> rudder, elevators and ailerons. What have others done that is relatively
> light weight and non bulky?
>
> Garry Stout
> RV7A, Tampa Florida
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | For Sale: RV3 canopy cover |
I have an RV3 canopy cover (Vans' LW3) for sale. It has never been used
outside and was only on the plane while in the hanger once to check the
fit. I paid $170 for it, will sell, including shipping, for $95. You
can email me at rickf@cableone.net or call at 208-860-8524.
Rick Fogerson.
do not archive
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I am not a fan of external gust locks that can be forgotten before flight.
I have a PVC tube contraption that locks the rudder by wedging against
the area in front of the seat then use the pilots side seatbelt to secure
the stick.
Ron Lee
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Hi Jim,
I'm leaving on July 18th and fortunately my friend who is a CFII is going
along for the ride. Makes me feel a whole lot safer. I'll make up the
rudder gust lock pins as you've suggested, and I guess the 'ol tie the stick
with seatbelts will do the rest. Thanks for everyone's response.
Garry
----- Original Message -----
From: "James H Nelson" <rv9jim@juno.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 3:12 PM
Subject: RV-List: Gust Locks?
>
> Hi Garry,
> When are you leaving? I've got a few pix of some devices used on
> Rv's. A pin that has two 90 deg bends on the ends, will lock your rudder
> in position.
>
> __________
> { } One end is put in a hole in
> your rudder stop and one in your rudder bracket.
>
> I have some pix of these devices at home. If you are interested, give me
> a nudge. I think the seat belt and the rudder locking pin (with the
> appropriate red flag attached so you don' forget to remove it.) will do
> a good job for the moment. Since we have tri-gears, I think that will
> suffice. I think that having the tail with the elevators in the full up
> position is not the best position. I will probably use the devices that
> lock the elevator in the horizontal position so "wind up your tail" won't
> cause the airplane to load the nose gear.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
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A very good point, Ron
Back many, many years ago a visiting sailplane and CFI was visiting our
small airport in Western Oklahoma. They would remain one week and if you
flew every day there was a good chance to get your glider endorsement. So
naturally the last day of the week, I still needed one more flight, was
running late, etc, etc.
I arrived just as they were preparing to start disassembling the glider to
haul it away. The instructor had clearly had all he wanted of spending time
in our small town and was disinclined to make another flight. I pleaded and
he brusquely assented telling me to just hop in the aircraft as there was no
need for a preflight.
I did and he did, we launched behind the tow plane, cut loose and started
making the first turn in the pattern. He yelled at me, harassed me and did
all but comment on my intelligence because I was using way too much rudder
to turn the aircraft. Each turn I made around the pattern elicited the same
response. I was dismayed as it was clear I was NOT going to get my glider
endorsement that day.
Any how, made a beautiful grease job landing and when I looked up I saw a
number of folks running toward us pointing at - yes, you got it. Point at
the aileron locks with flags fluttering - still installed!!! Well, the
somewhat embarrassed CFI did have the grace to apologize to me and stated
that if I could fly the sailplane safely without ailerons - then I was
getting my endorsement.
Of course, the scary part was - I later realized was that if I had ever let
a wing get very low, I would probably have never been able to pull it back
up with rudder alone and that would have been the end of my flying days -
days period!
So I vote for internal gust locks that make it very uncomfortable if you sit
on them {:>)
Ed
Ed Anderson
Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson@carolina.rr.com
http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW
http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Lee" <ronlee@pcisys.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Gust Locks?
>
> I am not a fan of external gust locks that can be forgotten before flight.
> I have a PVC tube contraption that locks the rudder by wedging against the
> area in front of the seat then use the pilots side seatbelt to secure
> the stick.
>
> Ron Lee
>
>
>
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I use a bungee cord instead of the seat belt. Less hassle
loosening/readjusting the seatbelt when it's time for me to strap in. Hook
one end near the seat belt anchor, one or two loops around the stick, and
secure near the other seat belt anchor. Rudder is secured via the
tailwheel, in my case....
--
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
On 6/27/07, Garry <garrys@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> I'm leaving on July 18th and fortunately my friend who is a CFII is going
> along for the ride. Makes me feel a whole lot safer. I'll make up the
> rudder gust lock pins as you've suggested, and I guess the 'ol tie the
> stick
> with seatbelts will do the rest. Thanks for everyone's response.
>
> Garry
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James H Nelson" <rv9jim@juno.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 3:12 PM
> Subject: RV-List: Gust Locks?
>
>
> >
> > Hi Garry,
> > When are you leaving? I've got a few pix of some devices used on
> > Rv's. A pin that has two 90 deg bends on the ends, will lock your
> rudder
> > in position.
> >
> > __________
> > { } One end is put in a hole in
> > your rudder stop and one in your rudder bracket.
> >
> > I have some pix of these devices at home. If you are interested, give
> me
> > a nudge. I think the seat belt and the rudder locking pin (with the
> > appropriate red flag attached so you don' forget to remove it.) will do
> > a good job for the moment. Since we have tri-gears, I think that will
> > suffice. I think that having the tail with the elevators in the full up
> > position is not the best position. I will probably use the devices
> that
> > lock the elevator in the horizontal position so "wind up your tail"
> won't
> > cause the airplane to load the nose gear.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Then again, there is always the guy who took off with the passenger seat
belt still wrapped around the stick - bad outcome.
I don't have many innovative ideas, but I do really like my gust lock. It
is a piece of bungee chord with a loop in one end and tied to the base of
the seat-belt on the other end. The loop stretches around the pilot stick
and works perfectly as a gust lock. No chance of taking off with it in
place, but if I did I can overpower it without damage and/or easily remove
it. Cost 1$, weight 1oz, time to install 10 min. Never gets lost or gets
in the way....
Only problem is that the control surfaces are not "in trail" when parked.
--
David Leonard
Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net
http://RotaryRoster.net
On 6/27/07, Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
> A very good point, Ron
>
> Back many, many years ago a visiting sailplane and CFI was visiting our
> small airport in Western Oklahoma. They would remain one week and if you
> flew every day there was a good chance to get your glider endorsement. So
> naturally the last day of the week, I still needed one more flight, was
> running late, etc, etc.
>
> I arrived just as they were preparing to start disassembling the glider to
> haul it away. The instructor had clearly had all he wanted of spending
> time
> in our small town and was disinclined to make another flight. I pleaded
> and
> he brusquely assented telling me to just hop in the aircraft as there was
> no
> need for a preflight.
>
> I did and he did, we launched behind the tow plane, cut loose and started
> making the first turn in the pattern. He yelled at me, harassed me and
> did
> all but comment on my intelligence because I was using way too much rudder
> to turn the aircraft. Each turn I made around the pattern elicited the
> same
> response. I was dismayed as it was clear I was NOT going to get my glider
> endorsement that day.
>
> Any how, made a beautiful grease job landing and when I looked up I saw a
> number of folks running toward us pointing at - yes, you got it. Point at
> the aileron locks with flags fluttering - still installed!!! Well, the
> somewhat embarrassed CFI did have the grace to apologize to me and stated
> that if I could fly the sailplane safely without ailerons - then I was
> getting my endorsement.
>
> Of course, the scary part was - I later realized was that if I had ever
> let
> a wing get very low, I would probably have never been able to pull it back
> up with rudder alone and that would have been the end of my flying days -
> days period!
>
> So I vote for internal gust locks that make it very uncomfortable if you
> sit
> on them {:>)
>
> Ed
>
> Ed Anderson
> Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
> Matthews, NC
> eanderson@carolina.rr.com
> http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW
> http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Lee" <ronlee@pcisys.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 5:33 PM
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Gust Locks?
>
>
> >
> > I am not a fan of external gust locks that can be forgotten before
> flight.
> > I have a PVC tube contraption that locks the rudder by wedging against
> the
> > area in front of the seat then use the pilots side seatbelt to secure
> > the stick.
> >
> > Ron Lee
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Gary,
I've made a rudder lock for my RV-6A after seeing a concept at Sun N Fun
a year ago. So, I don't take credit for the idea. I found a simple and
cheap way to make one out of PVC pipe and one "T" fitting. I was
planning to give more detail for anyone who might think it useful. Then,
I read your post. I've been using my seat belt on the stick for elevator
and ailerons. I don't have the rudder lock here to quote the dimensions,
but you can get an idea of the concept from the photos. I'll post the
rest of the info when I get a chance. You can see that it is very simple
and cheap. It merely requires a piece of PVC pipe, a "T" and a union cut
to hold the splayed halves of the pipe and come PVC Cement.
Regards,
Richard Dudley
RV-6A flying
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Then again, there is always the guy who took off with the passenger seat
belt still wrapped around the stick - bad outcome.
Hence the need to use the PILOTS seat belt. And the PVC rudder lock
is on the pilots side.
Should you use an external gust lock NEVER EVER rush your preflight.
NEVER EVER fail to properly move the controls to the limits and visually
observe for proper travel. Use a mirror if need be.
Do not be a statistic and raise my insurance rates.
Ron Lee
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In a message dated 6/27/2007 11:12:04 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
garrys@tampabay.rr.com writes:
I'm about to embark on my first "overnight" cross country, from Tampa to
Wisconsin Rapids. I got to thinking about the need for gust locks for my
rudder, elevators and ailerons. What have others done that is relatively
light weight and non bulky?
========================================
I've never needed an external aileron gust lock but I do have a combination
external elevator and rudder gust lock that weighs about half an ounce. It
is just a 1ft piece of 1/8" bungee cord, a short piece of stainless steel hinge
pin and a "remove before flight" ribbon. Just drill a clearance hole (for
the hinge pin) in both your rudder stop horn and another matching one on the
same side control horn. Bend the hinge pin into a staple shape (I used the
rivet cutter as a holding jig during the bending) that spans both holes and
holds the rudder straight (in trail). The pin goes up from the bottom. The
bungee is permanently attached to the pin using a tiny adel clamp. Put a large
diameter plastic washer on the other end of the bungee. The bungee is
stretched up and over the trim tab root (at the hinge point and then the washer
tucked into the gap between the trim tab and the elevator proper.
It's simple, works perfectly and you could never even start to taxi without
noticing that the lock is still in place (if you forgot to remove it).
GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 857hrs, Silicon Valley, CA)
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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On 19:22 2007-06-27 Richard Dudley <rhdudley1@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> I've made a rudder lock for my RV-6A after seeing a concept at Sun N
> Fun a year ago. So, I don't take credit for the idea. I found a
> simple and cheap way to make one out of PVC pipe and one "T" fitting.
> I was planning to give more detail for anyone who might think it
> useful. Then, I read your post. I've been using my seat belt on the
> stick for elevator and ailerons. I don't have the rudder lock here to
> quote the dimensions, but you can get an idea of the concept from the
> photos. I'll post the rest of the info when I get a chance. You can
> see that it is very simple and cheap. It merely requires a piece of
> PVC pipe, a "T" and a union cut to hold the splayed halves of the
> pipe and come PVC Cement.
Just thinking out loud here, maybe you could make two smaller fittings that
go on either end of the removable passenger stick. Remove stick, apply
fittings, lock rudder. The smaller fittings might stow easier.
-Rob
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