---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 06/27/07: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:04 AM - Automatic Flap Positioning System for sale *NEW* (Matt Reeves) 2. 06:55 AM - Lower wing skin rivet pattern (James H Nelson) 3. 08:21 AM - falcon TC (Wheeler North) 4. 11:10 AM - Gust Locks? (Garry) 5. 11:26 AM - Re: Gust Locks? (luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky)) 6. 12:14 PM - Gust Locks? (James H Nelson) 7. 01:31 PM - Re: Gust Locks? (Tim Bryan) 8. 02:09 PM - For Sale: RV3 canopy cover (Rick Fogerson) 9. 02:34 PM - Re: Gust Locks? (Ron Lee) 10. 04:45 PM - Re: Gust Locks? (Garry) 11. 05:35 PM - Vote for Internal Gust Locks was Gust Locks? (Ed Anderson) 12. 07:09 PM - Re: Gust Locks? (Larry Bowen) 13. 07:16 PM - Re: Vote for Internal Gust Locks was Gust Locks? (David Leonard) 14. 07:24 PM - Rudder Lock (Richard Dudley) 15. 07:39 PM - Re: Vote for Internal Gust Locks was Gust Locks? (Ron Lee) 16. 09:08 PM - Re: Gust Locks? (Vanremog@AOL.COM) 17. 09:22 PM - Re: Rudder Lock (Rob Prior) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:04:22 AM PST US From: Matt Reeves Subject: RV-List: Automatic Flap Positioning System for sale *NEW* We decided not to use this system on our RV-7A so we listed it on ebay. Right now the bidding is at $50 so if anyone is interested, take a look. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/FPS-PLUS-NT-Automatic-Flap-Positioning-System-NEW_W0QQitemZ270137100269QQihZ017QQcategoryZ26439QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem We also have an Electronics International Primary Remote Switch: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ELECTRONICS-INTERNATIONAL-REMOTE-SWITCH_W0QQitemZ270137109121QQihZ017QQcategoryZ26436QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem --------------------------------- Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:55:41 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: Lower wing skin rivet pattern From: James H Nelson Some one has the pattern to rivet on the last lower skin on the quick built wings for the RV9. Who has that pattern. RV9Jim@Juno.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:21:25 AM PST US From: "Wheeler North" Subject: RV-List: falcon TC Wow, You got 300 hours out of one of those??? I didn't get 300 hours out of three of them so Vans finally gave me my money back. So I put a Trio Avionics Autopilot there instead. (Actually it was a Navaid at first because the old guys at Trio had yet to invent their great products in time for my impatient demands. They've since more than made up for this failing although they are now a lot older because of those impatient demands....) ;{) ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:10:41 AM PST US From: "Garry" Subject: RV-List: Gust Locks? I'm about to embark on my first "overnight" cross country, from Tampa to Wisconsin Rapids. I got to thinking about the need for gust locks for my rudder, elevators and ailerons. What have others done that is relatively light weight and non bulky? Garry Stout RV7A, Tampa Florida ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:26:43 AM PST US From: luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky) Subject: Re: RV-List: Gust Locks? pull your control stick back and wrap your seat belt around it snugly. takes care of ail & ele. I have a tail dragger so double chalking my TW takes care of the rudder. Try parking into the predominent wind. There's lots of things you can do. I've seen everything from duct taping the rudder's over center couterbalance to the fixed VS to fancy home made clamps but don't know how to describe to make them. If run down to an airport with outside parked airplanes like cessnas you can see what i mean about the different types of "clamps". -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Garry" > > I'm about to embark on my first "overnight" cross country, from Tampa to > Wisconsin Rapids. I got to thinking about the need for gust locks for my > rudder, elevators and ailerons. What have others done that is relatively > light weight and non bulky? > > Garry Stout > RV7A, Tampa Florida > > > > > >
pull your control stick back and wrap your seat belt around it snugly.  takes care of ail & ele.
 
I have a tail dragger so double chalking my TW takes care of the rudder.  Try parking into the predominent wind.  There's lots of things you can do.  I've seen everything from duct taping the rudder's over center couterbalance to the fixed VS to fancy home made clamps but don't know how to describe to make them.  If run down to an airport with outside parked airplanes like cessnas you can see what i mean about the different types of "clamps".
 
much
________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:14:06 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: Gust Locks? From: James H Nelson Hi Garry, When are you leaving? I've got a few pix of some devices used on Rv's. A pin that has two 90 deg bends on the ends, will lock your rudder in position. __________ { } One end is put in a hole in your rudder stop and one in your rudder bracket. I have some pix of these devices at home. If you are interested, give me a nudge. I think the seat belt and the rudder locking pin (with the appropriate red flag attached so you don' forget to remove it.) will do a good job for the moment. Since we have tri-gears, I think that will suffice. I think that having the tail with the elevators in the full up position is not the best position. I will probably use the devices that lock the elevator in the horizontal position so "wind up your tail" won't cause the airplane to load the nose gear. Jim ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:31:06 PM PST US From: "Tim Bryan" Subject: RE: RV-List: Gust Locks? I have been fastening my seat belt around the stick, but be sure you do the stick in YOUR seat. That way you shouldn't be inclined to forget to undo it. I know, seems ridiculous, but it has happened. Tim > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list- > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Garry > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 1:11 PM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: Gust Locks? > > > I'm about to embark on my first "overnight" cross country, from Tampa to > Wisconsin Rapids. I got to thinking about the need for gust locks for my > rudder, elevators and ailerons. What have others done that is relatively > light weight and non bulky? > > Garry Stout > RV7A, Tampa Florida > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:09:43 PM PST US From: "Rick Fogerson" Subject: RV-List: For Sale: RV3 canopy cover I have an RV3 canopy cover (Vans' LW3) for sale. It has never been used outside and was only on the plane while in the hanger once to check the fit. I paid $170 for it, will sell, including shipping, for $95. You can email me at rickf@cableone.net or call at 208-860-8524. Rick Fogerson. do not archive ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:34:59 PM PST US From: "Ron Lee" Subject: Re: RV-List: Gust Locks? I am not a fan of external gust locks that can be forgotten before flight. I have a PVC tube contraption that locks the rudder by wedging against the area in front of the seat then use the pilots side seatbelt to secure the stick. Ron Lee ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:45:58 PM PST US From: "Garry" Subject: Re: RV-List: Gust Locks? Hi Jim, I'm leaving on July 18th and fortunately my friend who is a CFII is going along for the ride. Makes me feel a whole lot safer. I'll make up the rudder gust lock pins as you've suggested, and I guess the 'ol tie the stick with seatbelts will do the rest. Thanks for everyone's response. Garry ----- Original Message ----- From: "James H Nelson" Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 3:12 PM Subject: RV-List: Gust Locks? > > Hi Garry, > When are you leaving? I've got a few pix of some devices used on > Rv's. A pin that has two 90 deg bends on the ends, will lock your rudder > in position. > > __________ > { } One end is put in a hole in > your rudder stop and one in your rudder bracket. > > I have some pix of these devices at home. If you are interested, give me > a nudge. I think the seat belt and the rudder locking pin (with the > appropriate red flag attached so you don' forget to remove it.) will do > a good job for the moment. Since we have tri-gears, I think that will > suffice. I think that having the tail with the elevators in the full up > position is not the best position. I will probably use the devices that > lock the elevator in the horizontal position so "wind up your tail" won't > cause the airplane to load the nose gear. > > Jim > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:35:19 PM PST US From: "Ed Anderson" Subject: Vote for Internal Gust Locks was RV-List: Gust Locks? A very good point, Ron Back many, many years ago a visiting sailplane and CFI was visiting our small airport in Western Oklahoma. They would remain one week and if you flew every day there was a good chance to get your glider endorsement. So naturally the last day of the week, I still needed one more flight, was running late, etc, etc. I arrived just as they were preparing to start disassembling the glider to haul it away. The instructor had clearly had all he wanted of spending time in our small town and was disinclined to make another flight. I pleaded and he brusquely assented telling me to just hop in the aircraft as there was no need for a preflight. I did and he did, we launched behind the tow plane, cut loose and started making the first turn in the pattern. He yelled at me, harassed me and did all but comment on my intelligence because I was using way too much rudder to turn the aircraft. Each turn I made around the pattern elicited the same response. I was dismayed as it was clear I was NOT going to get my glider endorsement that day. Any how, made a beautiful grease job landing and when I looked up I saw a number of folks running toward us pointing at - yes, you got it. Point at the aileron locks with flags fluttering - still installed!!! Well, the somewhat embarrassed CFI did have the grace to apologize to me and stated that if I could fly the sailplane safely without ailerons - then I was getting my endorsement. Of course, the scary part was - I later realized was that if I had ever let a wing get very low, I would probably have never been able to pull it back up with rudder alone and that would have been the end of my flying days - days period! So I vote for internal gust locks that make it very uncomfortable if you sit on them {:>) Ed Ed Anderson Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered Matthews, NC eanderson@carolina.rr.com http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Lee" Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 5:33 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Gust Locks? > > I am not a fan of external gust locks that can be forgotten before flight. > I have a PVC tube contraption that locks the rudder by wedging against the > area in front of the seat then use the pilots side seatbelt to secure > the stick. > > Ron Lee > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:09:51 PM PST US From: "Larry Bowen" Subject: Re: RV-List: Gust Locks? I use a bungee cord instead of the seat belt. Less hassle loosening/readjusting the seatbelt when it's time for me to strap in. Hook one end near the seat belt anchor, one or two loops around the stick, and secure near the other seat belt anchor. Rudder is secured via the tailwheel, in my case.... -- Larry Bowen Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com On 6/27/07, Garry wrote: > > > Hi Jim, > > I'm leaving on July 18th and fortunately my friend who is a CFII is going > along for the ride. Makes me feel a whole lot safer. I'll make up the > rudder gust lock pins as you've suggested, and I guess the 'ol tie the > stick > with seatbelts will do the rest. Thanks for everyone's response. > > Garry > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James H Nelson" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 3:12 PM > Subject: RV-List: Gust Locks? > > > > > > Hi Garry, > > When are you leaving? I've got a few pix of some devices used on > > Rv's. A pin that has two 90 deg bends on the ends, will lock your > rudder > > in position. > > > > __________ > > { } One end is put in a hole in > > your rudder stop and one in your rudder bracket. > > > > I have some pix of these devices at home. If you are interested, give > me > > a nudge. I think the seat belt and the rudder locking pin (with the > > appropriate red flag attached so you don' forget to remove it.) will do > > a good job for the moment. Since we have tri-gears, I think that will > > suffice. I think that having the tail with the elevators in the full up > > position is not the best position. I will probably use the devices > that > > lock the elevator in the horizontal position so "wind up your tail" > won't > > cause the airplane to load the nose gear. > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:16:39 PM PST US From: "David Leonard" Subject: Re: Vote for Internal Gust Locks was RV-List: Gust Locks? Then again, there is always the guy who took off with the passenger seat belt still wrapped around the stick - bad outcome. I don't have many innovative ideas, but I do really like my gust lock. It is a piece of bungee chord with a loop in one end and tied to the base of the seat-belt on the other end. The loop stretches around the pilot stick and works perfectly as a gust lock. No chance of taking off with it in place, but if I did I can overpower it without damage and/or easily remove it. Cost 1$, weight 1oz, time to install 10 min. Never gets lost or gets in the way.... Only problem is that the control surfaces are not "in trail" when parked. -- David Leonard Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net http://RotaryRoster.net On 6/27/07, Ed Anderson wrote: > > > A very good point, Ron > > Back many, many years ago a visiting sailplane and CFI was visiting our > small airport in Western Oklahoma. They would remain one week and if you > flew every day there was a good chance to get your glider endorsement. So > naturally the last day of the week, I still needed one more flight, was > running late, etc, etc. > > I arrived just as they were preparing to start disassembling the glider to > haul it away. The instructor had clearly had all he wanted of spending > time > in our small town and was disinclined to make another flight. I pleaded > and > he brusquely assented telling me to just hop in the aircraft as there was > no > need for a preflight. > > I did and he did, we launched behind the tow plane, cut loose and started > making the first turn in the pattern. He yelled at me, harassed me and > did > all but comment on my intelligence because I was using way too much rudder > to turn the aircraft. Each turn I made around the pattern elicited the > same > response. I was dismayed as it was clear I was NOT going to get my glider > endorsement that day. > > Any how, made a beautiful grease job landing and when I looked up I saw a > number of folks running toward us pointing at - yes, you got it. Point at > the aileron locks with flags fluttering - still installed!!! Well, the > somewhat embarrassed CFI did have the grace to apologize to me and stated > that if I could fly the sailplane safely without ailerons - then I was > getting my endorsement. > > Of course, the scary part was - I later realized was that if I had ever > let > a wing get very low, I would probably have never been able to pull it back > up with rudder alone and that would have been the end of my flying days - > days period! > > So I vote for internal gust locks that make it very uncomfortable if you > sit > on them {:>) > > Ed > > Ed Anderson > Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered > Matthews, NC > eanderson@carolina.rr.com > http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW > http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Lee" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 5:33 PM > Subject: Re: RV-List: Gust Locks? > > > > > > I am not a fan of external gust locks that can be forgotten before > flight. > > I have a PVC tube contraption that locks the rudder by wedging against > the > > area in front of the seat then use the pilots side seatbelt to secure > > the stick. > > > > Ron Lee > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:24:59 PM PST US From: Richard Dudley Subject: RV-List: Rudder Lock Gary, I've made a rudder lock for my RV-6A after seeing a concept at Sun N Fun a year ago. So, I don't take credit for the idea. I found a simple and cheap way to make one out of PVC pipe and one "T" fitting. I was planning to give more detail for anyone who might think it useful. Then, I read your post. I've been using my seat belt on the stick for elevator and ailerons. I don't have the rudder lock here to quote the dimensions, but you can get an idea of the concept from the photos. I'll post the rest of the info when I get a chance. You can see that it is very simple and cheap. It merely requires a piece of PVC pipe, a "T" and a union cut to hold the splayed halves of the pipe and come PVC Cement. Regards, Richard Dudley RV-6A flying ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:39:40 PM PST US From: "Ron Lee" Subject: Re: Vote for Internal Gust Locks was RV-List: Gust Locks? Then again, there is always the guy who took off with the passenger seat belt still wrapped around the stick - bad outcome. Hence the need to use the PILOTS seat belt. And the PVC rudder lock is on the pilots side. Should you use an external gust lock NEVER EVER rush your preflight. NEVER EVER fail to properly move the controls to the limits and visually observe for proper travel. Use a mirror if need be. Do not be a statistic and raise my insurance rates. Ron Lee ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:08:41 PM PST US From: Vanremog@AOL.COM Subject: Re: RV-List: Gust Locks? In a message dated 6/27/2007 11:12:04 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, garrys@tampabay.rr.com writes: I'm about to embark on my first "overnight" cross country, from Tampa to Wisconsin Rapids. I got to thinking about the need for gust locks for my rudder, elevators and ailerons. What have others done that is relatively light weight and non bulky? ======================================== I've never needed an external aileron gust lock but I do have a combination external elevator and rudder gust lock that weighs about half an ounce. It is just a 1ft piece of 1/8" bungee cord, a short piece of stainless steel hinge pin and a "remove before flight" ribbon. Just drill a clearance hole (for the hinge pin) in both your rudder stop horn and another matching one on the same side control horn. Bend the hinge pin into a staple shape (I used the rivet cutter as a holding jig during the bending) that spans both holes and holds the rudder straight (in trail). The pin goes up from the bottom. The bungee is permanently attached to the pin using a tiny adel clamp. Put a large diameter plastic washer on the other end of the bungee. The bungee is stretched up and over the trim tab root (at the hinge point and then the washer tucked into the gap between the trim tab and the elevator proper. It's simple, works perfectly and you could never even start to taxi without noticing that the lock is still in place (if you forgot to remove it). GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 857hrs, Silicon Valley, CA) ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:22:34 PM PST US From: "Rob Prior" Subject: Re: RV-List: Rudder Lock On 19:22 2007-06-27 Richard Dudley wrote: > I've made a rudder lock for my RV-6A after seeing a concept at Sun N > Fun a year ago. So, I don't take credit for the idea. I found a > simple and cheap way to make one out of PVC pipe and one "T" fitting. > I was planning to give more detail for anyone who might think it > useful. Then, I read your post. I've been using my seat belt on the > stick for elevator and ailerons. I don't have the rudder lock here to > quote the dimensions, but you can get an idea of the concept from the > photos. I'll post the rest of the info when I get a chance. You can > see that it is very simple and cheap. It merely requires a piece of > PVC pipe, a "T" and a union cut to hold the splayed halves of the > pipe and come PVC Cement. Just thinking out loud here, maybe you could make two smaller fittings that go on either end of the removable passenger stick. Remove stick, apply fittings, lock rudder. The smaller fittings might stow easier. -Rob ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.