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1. 05:31 AM - Re: Gust Locks? (David Maib)
2. 06:30 AM - Re: Rudder Lock (Ron Lee)
3. 07:03 AM - Re: Rudder Lock (Bob Collins)
4. 07:07 AM - Re: Rudder Lock (Ron Lee)
5. 07:31 AM - Re: Gust Locks? (Vanremog@aol.com)
6. 07:37 AM - Re: Rudder Lock (Rob Prior)
7. 09:04 AM - Re: Rudder Lock (Tim Bryan)
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Any chance we could see a photo of that rudder/elevator lock? It
sounds very interesting to me.
David Maib
RV-10 40559
wings
On Jun 27, 2007, at 11:07 PM, Vanremog@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 6/27/2007 11:12:04 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
garrys@tampabay.rr.com writes:
I'm about to embark on my first "overnight" cross country, from Tampa to
Wisconsin Rapids. I got to thinking about the need for gust locks
for my
rudder, elevators and ailerons. What have others done that is
relatively
light weight and non bulky?
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I've never needed an external aileron gust lock but I do have a
combination external elevator and rudder gust lock that weighs about
half an ounce. It is just a 1ft piece of 1/8" bungee cord, a short
piece of stainless steel hinge pin and a "remove before flight"
ribbon. Just drill a clearance hole (for the hinge pin) in both your
rudder stop horn and another matching one on the same side control
horn. Bend the hinge pin into a staple shape (I used the rivet
cutter as a holding jig during the bending) that spans both holes and
holds the rudder straight (in trail). The pin goes up from the
bottom. The bungee is permanently attached to the pin using a tiny
adel clamp. Put a large diameter plastic washer on the other end of
the bungee. The bungee is stretched up and over the trim tab root
(at the hinge point and then the washer tucked into the gap between
the trim tab and the elevator proper.
It's simple, works perfectly and you could never even start to taxi
without noticing that the lock is still in place (if you forgot to
remove it).
GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 857hrs, Silicon Valley, CA)
See what's free at AOL.com.
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> Just thinking out loud here, maybe you could make two smaller fittings
> that
> go on either end of the removable passenger stick. Remove stick, apply
> fittings, lock rudder. The smaller fittings might stow easier.
My view is that the internal gust locks MUST be on the pilots side. That
way you can't take off with them in place.
Ron Lee
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I never say never because I'm human but I've never taxiied out to take off and
NOT unfurled a checklist and not followed the "flight controls -- free and correct"
part first. Of course, after I go through a checklist, I go through it a
second time (without the mag check) to be sure I got everything. Since I've never
not done a run-up check, and since flight controls are the first thing I
check (and the last thing I check), that goes a long way to preventing me from
making a stupid mistake.
So it leads me to wonder how many pilots aren't doing run-ups and checking the
controls and, if they aren't, why aren't they?
True enough, it only takes one time but under what circumstances would one not
do a run-up check before trying to fly?
This situation of taking off with gust locks and rudder locks would be, perhaps,
more understandable in a 172 or a Warrior or a spam can with lousy visibility.
But an RV?
Seems to me that for this to happen you not only would have to have NOT done a
proper pre-flight, you also wouldn't have done a proper run-up check.
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Bob Collins
St. Paul, Minn.
RV Builder's Hotline (free!)
http://rvhotline.expercraft.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=121054#121054
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> My view is that the internal gust locks MUST be on the pilots side. That
> way you can't take off with them in place.
>
> Ron Lee
Perhaps someone can find the report about the RV pilot who died in a fire
after his plane pitched up after takeoff and crashed. Reportedly he used
a passenger side seat belt gust lock and was in a hurry to leave the
airport.
No need to repeat that fatal move folks.
Ron Lee
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In a message dated 6/28/2007 5:33:36 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
dmaib@mac.com writes:
Any chance we could see a photo of that rudder/elevator lock? It sounds very
interesting to me.
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I'll post a shot of it tomorrow.
GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 857hrs, Silicon Valley, CA)
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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On 6:28 2007-06-28 "Ron Lee" <ronlee@pcisys.net> wrote:
>
> > Just thinking out loud here, maybe you could make two smaller
> > fittings that
> > go on either end of the removable passenger stick. Remove stick,
> > apply fittings, lock rudder. The smaller fittings might stow
> easier.
>
> My view is that the internal gust locks MUST be on the pilots side.
> That way you can't take off with them in place.
I agree, and wasn't meaning to suggest otherwise. But there's no reason
you couldn't use the passenger stick tube as part of that lock, and save
carrying yet another tube in the airplane.
-Rob
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It is in Bob's RV Hotline page.
(http://rvhotline.expercraft.com/articles/2007/eaa_court_motion_result.html)
Tim
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Lee
> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:06 AM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Rudder Lock
>
>
> > My view is that the internal gust locks MUST be on the pilots side.
> That
> > way you can't take off with them in place.
> >
> > Ron Lee
>
> Perhaps someone can find the report about the RV pilot who died in a fire
> after his plane pitched up after takeoff and crashed. Reportedly he used
> a passenger side seat belt gust lock and was in a hurry to leave the
> airport.
>
> No need to repeat that fatal move folks.
>
> Ron Lee
>
>
>
>
>
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