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Tue 07/17/07


Total Messages Posted: 14



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 12:37 AM - Re: Hangar building code issues (Jeff Point)
     2. 12:41 AM - Re: KMD 150 Install manual needed (JAMES BOWEN)
     3. 12:51 AM - Re: Hangar building code issues (Jeff Point)
     4. 02:16 AM - Re: Re: Hangar building code issues (Bill Settle)
     5. 05:27 AM - Re: Hangar building code issues (Jeff Orear)
     6. 06:58 AM - Idle set screw adjustment (Dana Overall)
     7. 09:11 AM - Re: Idle set screw adjustment (linn Walters)
     8. 09:14 AM - Re: Re: Hangar building code issues (Jim CArey)
     9. 10:05 AM - New 540 engine for sale (Eric Parlow)
    10. 12:23 PM - Re: Electronic Ignition (Jeff Dowling)
    11. 04:42 PM - Re: Hangar building code issues (Charlie England)
    12. 07:11 PM - Re: Idle set screw adjustment (Bobby Hester)
    13. 07:41 PM - Re: Idle set screw adjustment (linn Walters)
    14. 10:06 PM - Re: Idle set screw adjustment (H.Ivan Haecker)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:37:36 AM PST US
    From: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Re: Hangar building code issues
    That would be great. I know the IBC adopted is 2003 and I have that book, but I don't have the NFPA. A pdf would be great. Jeff Sherman Butler wrote: > I can send a copy of NFPA 409 in pdf format if you wish. Just let me > know. I will need to look at the IBC, but can probably send that as > well. I will need the year or edition adopted. I will be back in the > states and functioning on Thurs. Iceland is a pretty visit. > > *//* > * > *


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    Time: 12:41:34 AM PST US
    From: "JAMES BOWEN" <jabowenjr@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Re: KMD 150 Install manual needed
    Thank you very much. I finally got it. I googled it 3 times and looked and looked, no luck. Sincerely, Jim Bowen >From: Steve <stevea@svpal.org> >To: rv-list@matronics.com, aeroelectric-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: RV-List: KMD 150 Install manual needed >Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 22:37:22 -0700 > > >JAMES BOWEN wrote: >> >>I need an install manual for my KMD 150. Thanks in advance. >>Jim Bowen >I thought about scanning my copy and sending it to you, then thought >"Hmmmm, wonder what Google says?" (I've tried before to find it soft copy >on the web, but never had any luck.) > >Both the installation manual and pilot's guide are here: >http://www.seaerospace.com/king/kmd150.htm > >Steve >(now with a soft copy IM to back up my hard copy!) > > _________________________________________________________________ http://newlivehotmail.com


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    Time: 12:51:01 AM PST US
    From: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Re: Hangar building code issues
    I called the local building inspection dept that would ultimate do the inspection for my hangar. That way I knew what they would be looking for. Dale Ensing That's the problem- I called the building inspector up front and asked him about the requirements, and he referred me to IBC 412 and the related Wisconsin building code as the ruling documents. Both of these spell out the absurdly ridiculous 10 foot above the airplane height requirement. There isn't a hangar on my airport, nor likely in the state that conforms to this, yet he won't budge on the issue. So much for trying to work with the inspector and being reasonable. Jeff do not archive >


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    Time: 02:16:41 AM PST US
    From: Bill Settle <billsettle@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Hangar building code issues
    Another downside to all this is that it has been my experience that you may try to comply with what one inspector wants only to have a different inspector come out and require something else. Bill Settle do not archive > > From: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com> > Date: 2007/07/17 Tue AM 02:45:29 EST > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: Hangar building code issues > > > I called the local building inspection dept that would ultimate do the > inspection for my hangar. That way I knew what they would be looking for. > Dale Ensing > > That's the problem- I called the building inspector up front and asked > him about the requirements, and he referred me to IBC 412 and the > related Wisconsin building code as the ruling documents. Both of these > spell out the absurdly ridiculous 10 foot above the airplane height > requirement. There isn't a hangar on my airport, nor likely in the > state that conforms to this, yet he won't budge on the issue. So much > for trying to work with the inspector and being reasonable. > > Jeff > do not archive > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 05:27:48 AM PST US
    From: "Jeff Orear" <jorear@new.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Hangar building code issues
    Jeff: I am jumping into this thread midstream so hope this hasn't been mentioned. We had a guy just build a hangar at MNM and came up against the same BS. What he did is have his electrician wire just one overhead light, well removed from where any airplane would get 10 ft away, and then had it inspected. Once he didn't see the inspector's tailights, up went more lights. One other thing....At least in MI, if you install lights that are inclosed with some sort of diffuser, then the 10 ft rule does not apply. In other words, a bare bulb type of light is what they get bent out of shape about. Jeff Orear RV6A N782P Peshtigo, WI ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Point" <jpoint@mindspring.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 2:45 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Hangar building code issues > > I called the local building inspection dept that would ultimate do the > inspection for my hangar. That way I knew what they would be looking for. > Dale Ensing > > That's the problem- I called the building inspector up front and asked him > about the requirements, and he referred me to IBC 412 and the related > Wisconsin building code as the ruling documents. Both of these spell out > the absurdly ridiculous 10 foot above the airplane height requirement. > There isn't a hangar on my airport, nor likely in the state that conforms > to this, yet he won't budge on the issue. So much for trying to work with > the inspector and being reasonable. > > Jeff > do not archive >> > > >


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    Time: 06:58:36 AM PST US
    From: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Idle set screw adjustment
    It's getting close to the initial engine start. I have a MA4-5 Precision Marvel-Schebler carb. I want to check the setting on the idle adjusting needle but can't find the factory recommended setting of number of turns out. Anyone got that handy? Dana Overall Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4 http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackwing1.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive _________________________________________________________________ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2


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    Time: 09:11:23 AM PST US
    From: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Idle set screw adjustment
    I never found anything either. I back the screw out 4 turns or so and start there. If it won't run at idle (starts on prime and will run with more prime) then back it out a couple more. If it smokes (black) then it's too rich and you need to turn it in a couple. Once it runs smooth, then look for a 50 to 100 RPM rise as you slowly move the mixture to idle cutoff. You also need to get the idle RPM down around 700 for starters. The reason, I think, that ther's no info is that all carbs aren't created equal .... at least in the idle circuit. Linn do not archive Dana Overall wrote: > > > It's getting close to the initial engine start. I have a MA4-5 > Precision Marvel-Schebler carb. I want to check the setting on the > idle adjusting needle but can't find the factory recommended setting > of number of turns out. Anyone got that handy? > > > Dana Overall > Richmond, KY i39 > RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" > O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4 > http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackwing1.jpg > http://rvflying.tripod.com > do not archive > > _________________________________________________________________ > Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! > http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2 > >


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    Time: 09:14:36 AM PST US
    From: "Jim CArey" <tiger10@centurytel.net>
    Subject: Re: Hangar building code issues
    We at kpso Pagosa Springs co, had this proble =m for a while, the 10 ft thing, and after talkoing to the fire marshal got a reasonable opinion that 10 ft. from the fuel system was going to be OK. Most of our hangars are at least 14 ft high,some a lot more, and it the heater is in a rear corner, you will have more than enough room. Jim Carey asn kpso -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Settle Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 3:12 AM Subject: Re: Re: RV-List: Hangar building code issues Another downside to all this is that it has been my experience that you may try to comply with what one inspector wants only to have a different inspector come out and require something else. Bill Settle do not archive > > From: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com> > Date: 2007/07/17 Tue AM 02:45:29 EST > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: Hangar building code issues > > > I called the local building inspection dept that would ultimate do the > inspection for my hangar. That way I knew what they would be looking for. > Dale Ensing > > That's the problem- I called the building inspector up front and asked > him about the requirements, and he referred me to IBC 412 and the > related Wisconsin building code as the ruling documents. Both of > these spell out the absurdly ridiculous 10 foot above the airplane > height requirement. There isn't a hangar on my airport, nor likely in > the state that conforms to this, yet he won't budge on the issue. So > much for trying to work with the inspector and being reasonable. > > Jeff > do not archive > > > > > > > > __________ NOD32 2403 (20070717) Information __________


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    Time: 10:05:36 AM PST US
    From: "Eric Parlow" <ericparlow@hotmail.com>
    Subject: New 540 engine for sale
    I have a Factory New O-540-A4D5 engine for sale. I purchased it for my RV-10 which is behind schedule and will not require an engine until next year. It is identical to an O-540-E4A5 except the data plate rpm rating, 2575 vs 2700. Easily converted to an IO-540-D4A5 with an Airflow Performance fuel system for ~$3,300 See: http://www.airflowperformance.com/html/kits_lycoming_01.html Price: $27,000, FOB, Lycoming's dock in Williamsport, PA Eric Parlow RV-10, N104EP (828) 777-7976


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    Time: 12:23:27 PM PST US
    From: Jeff Dowling <shempdowling2@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: Electronic Ignition
    Its really not a problem to install on the cold side of the firewall. Yes, you have to cut the supplied cable, but its a simple solder job on a radio shack 9 pin plug is all it takes to fix. You only need to drill a very small hole through the firewall. Shemp Jim Jewell wrote: > > Heat might not be the only enemy here.; > > If the best location (in the cabin behind firewall) is not an option, > the brain box could be shrouded inside a .020 aluminium cool box > with a blast air tube feeding it cool air. > The possibility of the introduction of humidity and whatnot being > introduced via the blast tube must be considered. > Keep in mind that the brain box was designed to be inside the cabin > out of the ravages of weather and under cowl contaminates. > It might not be completely weather and environment proof such as most > ignition cdi modules etc. that are found under the hoods of automobiles. > > Take care, > > Jim in Kelowna - C-GIIG - 30 hr. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* David Schaefer <mailto:n142ds@gmail.com> > *To:* rv-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv-list@matronics.com> > *Sent:* Sunday, July 15, 2007 4:49 PM > *Subject:* Re: RV-List: Electronic Ignition > > No the unit was on the engine side of the firewall, where I've > mostly seen them. Room is the primary issue here. Thanks for the > info. I'm wondering about blast tubes directed on it? > > DWS > > On 7/15/07, *John Huft* <rv8tor@lazy8.net > <mailto:rv8tor@lazy8.net>> wrote: > > Dang, I guess I am about to fall out of the sky! > > David, which model Lightspeed are we talking about? > > John > > > Doug Weiler wrote: >> Yes, the computer must be on the cold side of the firewall!!! >> >> Doug Weiler >> N722DW, 400 hours, dual Lightspeeds with no issues in 150 >> hours of use. >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Konrad L. Werner <mailto:klwerner@comcast.net> >> *To:* rv-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv-list@matronics.com> >> *Sent:* Sunday, July 15, 2007 2:29 PM >> *Subject:* Re: RV-List: Electronic Ignition >> >> I believe the Klaus recommends to put the controller on >> the cold side of the firewall (inside the cabin). Was >> this recommendation followed by the builder? >> >> do not archive >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* David Schaefer <mailto:n142ds@gmail.com> >> *To:* rv-list@matronics.com >> <mailto:rv-list@matronics.com> >> *Sent:* Sunday, July 15, 2007 1:16 PM >> *Subject:* RV-List: Electronic Ignition >> >> I saw a brand new Lightspeed fail this weekend .. >> most probably due to heat under the cowl since it >> eventually re-set. The aircraft had mags on one side >> ... so no big deal. However, wouldn't you think that >> the current generation of electronic ignitions would >> take into account that under the cowl on an airplane >> is HOT and make some sort of consideration? It's my >> understanding that the vast majority of these >> ignitions controllers are installed on the >> fire-wall? Anyone else had any ideas, >> recommendations here? I think these are great >> electronic ignition systems and am looking to install >> a pair on an aircraft .. but it was an old fashioned >> MAG that got us back to the airport! >> >> -- >> David W. Schaefer >> RV-6A N142DS "Geek One" >> TMX-IOF360 FADEC, Hartzell Blended Airfoil, GRT EFIS >> www.n142ds.com <http://www.n142ds.com> >> >> * >> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List" <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List>> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List >> href="http://forums.matronics.com" <http://forums.matronics.com>> >> http://forums.matronics.com >> >> * >> >> * >> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List" <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List>> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List >> href="http://forums.matronics.com" <http://forums.matronics.com>> >> http://forums.matronics.com >> >> * >> >> * >> >> >> * > * > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List > http://forums.matronics.com > > www.n142ds.com <http://www.n142ds.com> > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > ** > > * > > > *


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    Time: 04:42:34 PM PST US
    From: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Hangar building code issues
    Jeff Point wrote: > > I called the local building inspection dept that would ultimate do the > inspection for my hangar. That way I knew what they would be looking for. > Dale Ensing > > That's the problem- I called the building inspector up front and asked > him about the requirements, and he referred me to IBC 412 and the > related Wisconsin building code as the ruling documents. Both of these > spell out the absurdly ridiculous 10 foot above the airplane height > requirement. There isn't a hangar on my airport, nor likely in the > state that conforms to this, yet he won't budge on the issue. So much > for trying to work with the inspector and being reasonable. > > Jeff > do not archive >> Then don't build a hangar. Build a big storage building with a really big entry door. You need to think like a bureaucrat. For instance, it's almost always easy to get a 'special vfr' clearance to depart an airport, but it will never be offered to you. (Ya gotta ask.) Charlie


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    Time: 07:11:11 PM PST US
    From: Bobby Hester <bobbyhester@charter.net>
    Subject: Re: Idle set screw adjustment
    Dana, I never could get the 50 to 100 RPM rise that everyone says you should get. Surfing the web with my laptop from Hopkinsville, KY Visit my RV7A website: http://webpages.charter.net/bobbyhester/MyFlyingRV7A.htm linn Walters wrote: > > I never found anything either. I back the screw out 4 turns or so and > start there. If it won't run at idle (starts on prime and will run > with more prime) then back it out a couple more. If it smokes (black) > then it's too rich and you need to turn it in a couple. Once it runs > smooth, then look for a 50 to 100 RPM rise as you slowly move the > mixture to idle cutoff. You also need to get the idle RPM down > around 700 for starters. > > The reason, I think, that ther's no info is that all carbs aren't > created equal .... at least in the idle circuit. > Linn > do not archive > > Dana Overall wrote: > >> >> >> It's getting close to the initial engine start. I have a MA4-5 >> Precision Marvel-Schebler carb. I want to check the setting on the >> idle adjusting needle but can't find the factory recommended setting >> of number of turns out. Anyone got that handy? >> >> >> Dana Overall >> Richmond, KY i39 >> RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" >> O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4 >> http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackwing1.jpg >> http://rvflying.tripod.com >> do not archive >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! >> http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2 >> >> >> >> >> >> > >


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    Time: 07:41:06 PM PST US
    From: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Idle set screw adjustment
    Bobby Hester wrote: > > Dana, I never could get the 50 to 100 RPM rise that everyone says you > should get. There are only two reasons not to get the rise .... either it's already too lean or you're pulling the mixture too fast. I guess if it's too rich then the rise may not be apparent as you go through the lean spot prior to cutoff. Linn do not archive > > > Surfing the web with my laptop from Hopkinsville, KY > Visit my RV7A website: > http://webpages.charter.net/bobbyhester/MyFlyingRV7A.htm


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    Time: 10:06:10 PM PST US
    From: "H.Ivan Haecker" <baremetl@gvtc.com>
    Subject: Re: Idle set screw adjustment
    I have never been able to observe the rise either, and I've pulled the mixture back very slowly more than a few times looking for it. So maybe my idle mixture is too lean to have the rise, but it's been this way for nearly 1400 hrs. with apparent ill effects. Ivan Haecker -4 1377 hrs. S. Cen. TX ----- Original Message ----- From: "linn Walters" <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 9:43 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Idle set screw adjustment > > Bobby Hester wrote: > >> >> Dana, I never could get the 50 to 100 RPM rise that everyone says you >> should get. > > There are only two reasons not to get the rise .... either it's already > too lean or you're pulling the mixture too fast. I guess if it's too rich > then the rise may not be apparent as you go through the lean spot prior to > cutoff. > Linn > do not archive > >> >> >> Surfing the web with my laptop from Hopkinsville, KY >> Visit my RV7A website: >> http://webpages.charter.net/bobbyhester/MyFlyingRV7A.htm > > >




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