---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 07/22/07: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:43 AM - Re: band saw (Richard Crosley) 2. 06:31 AM - Re: Re: wi-fi OSH (Chuck Jensen) 3. 07:09 AM - Re: Re: wi-fi OSH (Chuck Jensen) 4. 07:09 AM - Recall: Re: wi-fi OSH (Chuck Jensen) 5. 07:24 AM - Re: band saw (Glen Matejcek) 6. 08:53 AM - Re: Re: wi-fi OSH (Ron Lee) 7. 09:08 AM - Re: band saw (Bruce Swayze) 8. 09:17 AM - Re: band saw - harbor freight saw source for blades (PJ Seipel) 9. 03:12 PM - Re: band saw (Mark Grieve) 10. 06:38 PM - Aircraft on ground - need help in Denver area. (Kelly Patterson) 11. 08:25 PM - [ Daniel Lloyd ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares) 12. 08:26 PM - [ Pat Long ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares) 13. 09:58 PM - Firewall shields (DEAN PSIROPOULOS) 14. 11:05 PM - Garmin G300 (Robin Marks) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:43:15 AM PST US From: "Richard Crosley" Subject: Re: RV-List: band saw Check out Grizzly Tools, http://grizzly.com/ I just requested a free catalog from them and got it in less than a week. It's about an inch thick with every tool I ever seen. Looks like a good tool source. Rich Crosley RV8, N948RC ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:31:08 AM PST US Subject: RE: RE: RV-List: wi-fi OSH From: "Chuck Jensen" Kabong, You're right in that "whining" and "free" are inextricably intertwined. My comment about EAA being a bit of a penny-pinching (unless it's our money, then they are dollar-pinchers) is driven by the actions, or inaction, of EAA. Here's an organization that has $63,000,000 in assets and $50,000,000 in equity, yet they do precious little for aviation except sponsor another Airventure to make even more money. Most of the truly worthwhile programs, such as Young Eagles, depends on generous volunteers, not the EAA. The FAA and ATA has been trying to jam user fees down GA's throat...where's the EAA? Barely on the radar screen and nothing compared to AOPA. Surely, a Non-Profit has a greater mission in life than---generating more profits. The activity EAA seems to engage in most consistently is giving awards to each other. All of the EAA managers, and hanger-ons are all award winners...from EAA. There's nothing wrong with self-promotion, as long as that's not the only promotion that's undertaken. Yes, I still pay my EAA dues, but with a lot less enthusiasm than 15 years ago--though I do appreciate their magazine since the Sears catalog is no longer available. :-) Anyone interested in seeing where the money goes: http://www.eaa.org/communications/eaanews/ExpAircraft-FS.pdf Chuck Jensen -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jhstarn@verizon.net Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 2:05 AM Subject: Re: RE: RV-List: wi-fi OSH Was at OSH 2004 and "they" had a tent set up with PC's. Had to sign in, wait your turn & there was a time limit (never saw it enforced) but it was FREE. Kinda like using the "bathroom(s)" and showers, wait your turn & hurry up every chance you get. FREE charging stations for cameras, radio's, shavers etc. GREAT Show, great people (for the most part), lots of help if you needed it, BUT there are those who will WHINE, and imagine how many more whinners there would be if everything were free. Fee's do have the effect of reducing those that feel they entitled to everything. For those have not yet tried to put on a AIRSHOW themselves, get your feet wet FIRST and tell me about how much "FREE" stuff you pay for. Start with insurance & work your way down the list. KABONG Do Not Archive >From: Chuck Jensen >Date: 2007/07/21 Sat AM 09:23:44 CDT >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: RV-List: wi-fi OSH >MessageFree internet? At OSH? EAA? Boy, those things don't go >together. That must have been a MAJOR oversight by the EAA Revenue >Committee. Oh well, they'llfix that next year.Chuck Jensen ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:09:56 AM PST US Subject: RE: RE: RV-List: wi-fi OSH From: "Chuck Jensen" P.S. My comments were pointed at the National Organization, not the local EAA Chapters which do a remarkable job of volunteer service to the aviation community and general public in keeping with the original spirit and intent of EAA. If the national org was as soundly based as the local chapters, we'd all benefit greatly and the money would be more willingly sent. Chuck Jensen -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Jensen Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 9:30 AM Subject: RE: RE: RV-List: wi-fi OSH Kabong, You're right in that "whining" and "free" are inextricably intertwined. My comment about EAA being a bit of a penny-pinching (unless it's our money, then they are dollar-pinchers) is driven by the actions, or inaction, of EAA. Here's an organization that has $63,000,000 in assets and $50,000,000 in equity, yet they do precious little for aviation except sponsor another Airventure to make even more money. Most of the truly worthwhile programs, such as Young Eagles, depends on generous volunteers, not the EAA. The FAA and ATA has been trying to jam user fees down GA's throat...where's the EAA? Barely on the radar screen and nothing compared to AOPA. Surely, a Non-Profit has a greater mission in life than---generating more profits. The activity EAA seems to engage in most consistently is giving awards to each other. All of the EAA managers, and hanger-ons are all award winners...from EAA. There's nothing wrong with self-promotion, as long as that's not the only promotion that's undertaken. Yes, I still pay my EAA dues, but with a lot less enthusiasm than 15 years ago--though I do appreciate their magazine since the Sears catalog is no longer available. :-) Anyone interested in seeing where the money goes: http://www.eaa.org/communications/eaanews/ExpAircraft-FS.pdf Chuck Jensen -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jhstarn@verizon.net Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 2:05 AM Subject: Re: RE: RV-List: wi-fi OSH Was at OSH 2004 and "they" had a tent set up with PC's. Had to sign in, wait your turn & there was a time limit (never saw it enforced) but it was FREE. Kinda like using the "bathroom(s)" and showers, wait your turn & hurry up every chance you get. FREE charging stations for cameras, radio's, shavers etc. GREAT Show, great people (for the most part), lots of help if you needed it, BUT there are those who will WHINE, and imagine how many more whinners there would be if everything were free. Fee's do have the effect of reducing those that feel they entitled to everything. For those have not yet tried to put on a AIRSHOW themselves, get your feet wet FIRST and tell me about how much "FREE" stuff you pay for. Start with insurance & work your way down the list. KABONG Do Not Archive >From: Chuck Jensen >Date: 2007/07/21 Sat AM 09:23:44 CDT >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: RV-List: wi-fi OSH >MessageFree internet? At OSH? EAA? Boy, those things don't go >together. That must have been a MAJOR oversight by the EAA Revenue >Committee. Oh well, they'llfix that next year.Chuck Jensen ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:09:56 AM PST US Subject: Recall: RE: RV-List: wi-fi OSH From: "Chuck Jensen" The sender would like to recall the message, "RE: RV-List: wi-fi OSH". ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:24:40 AM PST US From: Glen Matejcek Subject: RV-List: Re: band saw > Does any one know of a small, cheap >(= a lot less than $1000) metal band saw? >Thanks, >-- >Tom S. , RV-6A Hi Tom- You might try http://www.use-enco.com gm Glen Matejcek ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:53:07 AM PST US From: "Ron Lee" Subject: Re: RE: RV-List: wi-fi OSH > Kabong, > You're right in that "whining" and "free" are inextricably intertwined. > My comment about EAA being a bit of a penny-pinching (unless it's our > money, then they are dollar-pinchers) is driven by the actions, or > inaction, of EAA. Here's an organization that has $63,000,000 in assets > and $50,000,000 in equity, yet they do precious little for aviation except > sponsor another Airventure to make even more money. During the Centennial of Flight I called someone in EAA and suggested that they allow pilots in free (at least experimentals) that year. To the best of my knowledge, they did not do it. I will take a local airport breakfast fly-in or the the LOE fly-in any day over an EAA event. Ron Lee ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:08:38 AM PST US From: Bruce Swayze Subject: Re: RV-List: band saw I have a $99 Ryobi benchtop bandsaw that I bought at Home Depot about 5 years ago. It works fine for everything I have used it for, which includes woodwork and aluminum. I bought an 18-teeth/inch blade, also at Home Depot for less than $10.00, and it cuts through aluminum like butter. Even the thick stuff. So I expect it to take care of all my needs for my RV project. I tried using this blade on steel and it cut through it, but also ruined the blade. Less than $10 to replace it. Can't complain. Lesson learned. One of the features that I like best about it is that there is a fitting on the bottom for my shop-vac hose. I hook up the hose and turn on the shop-vac whenever I use it. I love it. At 04:55 PM 7/21/2007, you wrote: > >My ten year old old Sears bench-top 10" band saw seems to have died. >The motor controller is dead. Sears can't replace it. It was a >useful saw because it was variable speed and could cut wood and aluminum. > >I'm having trouble locating a comparable band saw. Sears doesn't >sell a metal band saw for less than $1000. Does any one know of a >small, cheap (= a lot less than $1000) metal band saw? >Thanks, >-- >Tom S. , RV-6A Bruce Swayze RV-7A Empennage finished, working on STANDARD-build wings -- ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:17:47 AM PST US From: PJ Seipel Subject: Re: RV-List: band saw - harbor freight saw source for blades If it's the Harbor Freight three wheeler kind and looks like the one in the picture here: http://www.supercutbandsaw.com/threewheeler.html Then you can get the 0.014 thick blades from: http://magnate.net/index.cfm?event=showProductGroup&theID=460 They cost about $10 each, and you can even get 24 teeth per inch, which is great for cutting aluminum. I've had great success and have rarely had one break even though I abuse them quite a bit. PJ Seipel RV-10 #40032 Dave Cudney wrote: > > > Four years ago I purchased a small variable speed band saw from Harbor > Freight for about $60. It works great with a 1/4 inch blade with 14 > teeth per inch. Trouble is the machine is made such that it won't > work with a blade thicker than 0.015 inches. Although I bought > several blades with the saw, I am now on my last one. Harbor > freight no longer stocks these band saw nor the blades. I have not > been able to fine a blade that thin or have one made here in southern > CA. I also had no luck on the internet. Most common band saw blades > for small band saws are 0.025 - 0.030 inches thick. Last month I > purchased a Sears single speed 10 inch bad saw for $149 and had > several blades made up for it at a local shop. It seems to work fine > for aluminum, But I still like the old Harbor Freight saw -- just > couldn't find any blades for it. I think with the next batch of > blades I have made up I'll try 18 teeth per inch for a smoother cut as > the sears blade turns somewhat slower than the old machine. > > good luck > Dave > (RV 7A, will be starting on the cowling soon) > > > On Jul 21, 2007, at 8:13 PM, Dale Mitchell wrote: > >> >> Any wood cutting band saw will cut aluminum but the >> blade runs to fast for steel. >> Sears has one for around $325.00 that would work fine >> fore aluminum. >> Or look on craigs list for a used one. >> http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/about/cities.html >> Dale >> >> >> --- sarg314 wrote: >> >> >>> >>> >>> My ten year old old Sears bench-top 10" band saw >>> seems to have died. >>> The motor controller is dead. Sears can't replace >>> it. It was a useful >>> saw because it was variable speed and could cut wood >>> and aluminum. >>> >>> I'm having trouble locating a comparable band saw. >>> Sears doesn't sell a >>> metal band saw for less than $1000. Does any one >>> know of a small, cheap >>> (= a lot less than $1000) metal band saw? >>> Thanks, >>> -- >>> Tom S. , RV-6A >>> >>> >>> browse >>> Subscriptions page, >>> FAQ, >>> >>> Web Forums! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> Need a vacation? Get great deals >> to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. >> http://travel.yahoo.com/ >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:12:17 PM PST US From: Mark Grieve Subject: Re: RV-List: band saw I agree and have 1200 pounds of Grizzly cast iron in my shop. All of my dealings with the company have been A-1. Do not archive Richard Crosley wrote: > Check out Grizzly Tools, http://grizzly.com/ > I just requested a free catalog from them and got it in less than a > week. It's about an inch thick with every tool I ever seen. Looks > like a good tool source. > > Rich Crosley > RV8, N948RC > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:38:29 PM PST US From: "Kelly Patterson" Subject: RV-List: Aircraft on ground - need help in Denver area. Hi Guys & Gals, My RV-6A stuck a valve on the way to OSH and I made an emergency landing at an airport in Hoxie, Kansas. All went well for my first real emergency landing and I have a new cylinder on the way to get the plane airworthy. I have a request from a fellow RV pilot in the Denver area. I'm looking for a ride from the Denver airport (or Front Range airport) to the Hoxie, KS airport (1F5). I will be in Denver on Friday the 27th around noon at DEN. I will gladly pay all expenses for a ride (car or plane) to the field in Hoxie. This is the only part of the repair and retreival I have yet to work out, so any help would be appreciated. Please contact me via email: kbob@cox.net or cell phone 602-448-3518. Thanks everyone, Kelly Patterson RV-6A N716K PHX, AZ ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:25:40 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: [ Daniel Lloyd ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! From: Email List Photo Shares A new Email List Photo Share is available: Poster: Daniel Lloyd Lists: RV-List,RV10-List Subject: First Flight http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/lloyddr@wernerco.com.07.22.2007/index.html ---------------------------------------------------------- o Main Photo Share Index http://www.matronics.com/photoshare o Submitting a Photo Share If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the following information along with your email message and files: 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: 2) Your Full Name: 3) Your Email Address: 4) One line Subject description: 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: Email the information above and your files and photos to: pictures@matronics.com ---------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:26:35 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: [ Pat Long ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! From: Email List Photo Shares A new Email List Photo Share is available: Poster: Pat Long Lists: RV-List Subject: Aileron Boots http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/PGLong@aol.com.07.22.2007/index.html ---------------------------------------------------------- o Main Photo Share Index http://www.matronics.com/photoshare o Submitting a Photo Share If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the following information along with your email message and files: 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: 2) Your Full Name: 3) Your Email Address: 4) One line Subject description: 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: Email the information above and your files and photos to: pictures@matronics.com ---------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:58:30 PM PST US From: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" Subject: RV-List: Firewall shields Question on stainless steel firewall shields. I'm using two of them, one covers my EGT/CHT harness (8 cables each containing two individual insulated thermocouple wires surrounded by a yellow or brown cover of, I believe, tefzel). The second one covers my VM-1000 sensor cables (half dozen 4 conductor with foil shield and tefzel outer cover). The CHT/EGT hole in the stainless firewall has a plastic busing installed and the harness fits through this bushing slightly snug and the firewall shield just fits around the whole thing without having to squeeze the shield against the wires. The sensor cables make use of a hole I originally cut through the firewall for an eye-ball control cable mount. The hole is quite large and a bushing would still leave the harness not centered in the firewall shield and sitting on the thin firewall shield material. I've cleaned up the shear marks and smoothed the edges on the firewall shields but am still a bit nervous about the thin material chaffing the wires, especially the large sensor wire hole. Any thoughts/ideas on this? Am I being too paranoid? Since we can no longer procure asbestos to make gaskets to go under the shield what is everyone doing here? Are you using some sort of grommet over the edges of the stainless shields to protect your cables from chaffing....or? Thanks. Dean Psiropoulos RV-6A N197DM Last of the wiring. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:05:06 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: Garmin G300 From: "Robin Marks" Does anyone know about the Garmin G300 and if it will be available for the experimental market? The G300 is the PFD/MFD in the new Cessna 162 Skycatcher (LSA). http://www.cessnaskycatcher.com/index.php?option=com_myblog&show=Oshk osh -Unveiling.html&Itemid=45 Robin RV-6A 370 hours RV-10 Parts, parts, parts Do Not Archive ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.