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1. 05:06 AM - Re: FW: RV4 Project for sale, including engine, tools, instruments (Kevin Horton)
2. 06:59 AM - Re: FW: RV4 Project for sale, including engine, tools, instruments (bill newkirk)
3. 07:40 AM - Re: RV Transition Training In Arkansas (Brian Meyette)
4. 07:41 AM - Re: FW: RV4 Project for sale, including engine, tools, instruments (scott bilinski)
5. 07:52 AM - Re: FW: RV4 Project for sale, including engine, tools, instruments (Greg Young)
6. 08:03 AM - Re: FW: RV4 Project for sale, including engine, tools, instruments (Jeff Point)
7. 08:28 AM - Re: FW: RV4 Project for sale, including engine, tools, instruments (Joseph Larson)
8. 09:47 AM - 3-D Paint Program (Kenyon Brooks)
9. 10:52 AM - Re: 3-D Paint Program (Terry Watson)
10. 02:31 PM - Re: Something We Really Need (Jeff Dowling)
11. 03:57 PM - Re: FW: RV4 Project for sale, including engine, tools, instruments (Scott)
12. 03:59 PM - Re: FW: RV4 Project for sale, including engine, tools, instruments (Scott)
13. 04:07 PM - Seeking RV6 Cross Country routing tips (d wntzl)
14. 04:43 PM - Re: Something We Really Need (Louis Willig)
15. 04:58 PM - Re: Cowl Intake plugs (Greg Williams)
16. 05:12 PM - Re: Cowl Intake plugs (Tim Bryan)
17. 05:55 PM - Re: Seeking RV6 Cross Country routing tips (RV6 Flyer)
18. 06:47 PM - Re: Seeking RV6 Cross Country routing tips (Deems Davis)
19. 08:51 PM - Priming steel nose gear leg (Ron Lee)
20. 08:51 PM - Re: Seeking RV6 Cross Country routing tips (David Burton)
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| Subject: | Re: FW: RV4 Project for sale, including engine, tools, instruments |
On 5 Aug 2007, at 19:41, john@jallenplace.com wrote:
>
> Jack Gageby, a long time RV-4 builder, suffered a debilitating
> stroke last year. It is apparent that he wont fly again. Thats a
> tough break for Jack, but leaves an opportunity for someone to take
> over his RV-4 project.
>
> His wife has asked me to help sell the -4, which is currently
> located at Fallon (FLX) near Reno, NV. The airframe is in a stage
> roughly equivalent to a Vans quickbuild. There is an O320-E2D
> first run engine core with accessories and logbooks. There is also
> a radio and a number of instruments.
>
> My thinking is that this would be an excellent way for someone to
> walk into an RV4 project at a quickbuild level without having to
> separately acquire an engine or tools. The project is at a point
> where the builder could legitimately claim to be under the 51% rule
> and receive the benefits thereof.
>
It wouldn't matter if the project was 99% complete - the new
purchaser would still be OK with the 51% rule, as more than 51% would
have been built by amateurs for educational purposes. Many projects
change hands several times, with no one builder having done more than
50%.
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
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| Subject: | Re: FW: RV4 Project for sale, including engine, tools, instruments |
BUT, what does matter, is that a person who builds less than 51% himself wo
uld not qualify for a Repairmans Certificate.=0A=0ABill Newkirk=0AFresno, C
A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.c
om>=0ATo: rv-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Monday, August 6, 2007 5:05:25 AM
=0ASubject: Re: RV-List: FW: RV4 Project for sale, including engine, tools,
gers.com>=0A=0AOn 5 Aug 2007, at 19:41, john@jallenplace.com wrote:=0A=0A>
=0A> Jack Gageby, a long time RV-4 builder, suffered a debilitating =0A> s
troke last year. It is apparent that he won=92t fly again. That=92s a =0A>
tough break for Jack, but leaves an opportunity for someone to take =0A>
over his RV-4 project.=0A>=0A> His wife has asked me to help sell the -4, w
hich is currently =0A> located at Fallon (FLX) near Reno, NV. The airframe
is in a stage =0A> roughly equivalent to a Van=92s =93quickbuild=94. Ther
e is an O320-E2D =0A> first run engine core with accessories and logbooks.
There is also =0A> a radio and a number of instruments.=0A>=0A> My thinki
ng is that this would be an excellent way for someone to =0A> walk into an
RV4 project at a =93quickbuild=94 level without having to =0A> separately
acquire an engine or tools. The project is at a point =0A> where the buil
der could legitimately claim to be under the 51% rule =0A> and receive the
benefits thereof.=0A>=0A=0AIt wouldn't matter if the project was 99% compl
ete - the new =0Apurchaser would still be OK with the 51% rule, as more th
an 51% would =0Ahave been built by amateurs for educational purposes. Man
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more than =0A50%.=0A=0AKevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)=0AOttawa,
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| Subject: | RV Transition Training In Arkansas |
Check here for possibilities:
http://brian76.mystarband.net/training.htm
if you find any not on list, please let me know
brian
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Oldsfolks@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 9:14 PM
Subject: RV-List: RV Transition Training In Arkansas
Does anyone have a contact for RV Transition (Tailwheel) training in
Arkansas, preferably near Fort Smith ??
Please call Bob Olds 479-965-7835 (Ans Mach.) , cell 479-965-3278,
Charleston,AR.
Thanks much.
_____
<http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour/?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000982> .
4:16 PM
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| Subject: | Re: FW: RV4 Project for sale, including engine, tools, instruments |
Dont ask dont tell?=0A =0AScott Bilinski=0ARV-8a=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Origin
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UT, what does matter, is that a person who builds less than 51% himself wou
ld not qualify for a Repairmans Certificate.=0A=0ABill Newkirk=0AFresno, CA
=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers
.com>=0ATo: rv-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Monday, August 6, 2007 5:05:25 AM
=0ASubject: Re: RV-List: FW: RV4 Project for sale, including engine, tools,
@rogers.com>=0A=0AOn 5 Aug 2007, at 19:41, john@jallenplace.com wrote:=0A
=0A>=0A> Jack Gageby, a long time RV-4 builder, suffered a debilitating
=0A> stroke last year. It is apparent that he won=92t fly again. That=92s a
=0A> tough break for Jack, but leaves an opportunity for someone to take
=0A> over his RV-4 project.=0A>=0A> His wife has asked me to help sell the
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rframe is in a stage =0A> roughly equivalent to a Van=92s =93quickbuild=94
. There is an O320-E2D =0A> first run engine core with accessories and log
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thinking is that this would be an excellent way for someone to =0A> walk i
nto an RV4 project at a =93quickbuild=94 level without having to =0A> sepa
rately acquire an engine or tools. The project is at a point =0A> where th
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| Subject: | FW: RV4 Project for sale, including engine, tools, instruments |
Well gee, that's not true either. ONLY the Airworthiness Certification
cares
about the "51% rule" as Kevin noted. The Repairmans Certificate can be
issued to only one builder per aircraft but doesn't require any specific
level of participation. In group builds, one member of the group can
get
the RC. I think the FSDO has to make a judgment on whether the person is
qualified for the RC, i.e. they built enough and have enough knowledge
to
maintain it. If they use the 51% as a limiting criteria they are making
their own rules.
Regards,
Greg Young
_____
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bill newkirk
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 8:58 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: FW: RV4 Project for sale, including engine, tools,
instruments
BUT, what does matter, is that a person who builds less than 51% himself
would not qualify for a Repairmans Certificate.
Bill Newkirk
Fresno, CA
----- Original Message ----
From: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
Sent: Monday, August 6, 2007 5:05:25 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: FW: RV4 Project for sale, including engine, tools,
instruments
On 5 Aug 2007, at 19:41, john@jallenplace.com wrote:
>
> Jack Gageby, a long time RV-4 builder, suffered a debilitating
> stroke last year. It is apparent that he won=92t fly again. That=92s a
> tough break for Jack, but leaves an opportunity for someone to take
> over his RV-4 project.
>
> His wife has asked me to help sell the -4, which is currently
> located at Fallon (FLX) near Reno, NV. The airframe is in a stage
> roughly equivalent to a Van=92s =93quickbuild=94. There is an O320-E2D
> first run engine core with accessories and logbooks. There is also
> a radio and a number of instruments.
>
> My thinking is that this would be an excellent way for someone to
> walk into an RV4 project at a =93quickbuild=94 level without having to
> separately acquire an engine or tools. The project is at a point
> where the builder could legitimately claim to be under the 51% rule
> and receive the benefits thereof.
>
It wouldn't matter if the project was 99% complete - the new
purchaser would still be OK with the 51% rule, as more than 51% would
have been built by amateurs for educational purposes. Many projects
change hands several times, with no one builder having done more than
50%.
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
HYPERLINK "http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8" \nhttp://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
4:16 PM
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| Subject: | Re: FW: RV4 Project for sale, including engine, tools, instruments |
This is not quite accurate. The 51% rule has nothing to do with the
repairman's certificate. In order to qualify for the RC, the applicant
must demonstrate to the FSDO that they are qualified to safely perform
the condition inspection. 51% of the build is not necessarily a
requirement, since as Kevin says, many projects are hand me downs.
Jeff Point
RV-6 flying
RV-8 building
Milwaukee
do not archive
bill newkirk wrote:
> BUT, what does matter, is that a person who builds less than 51%
> himself would not qualify for a Repairmans Certificate.
>
> *
> *
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| Subject: | Re: FW: RV4 Project for sale, including engine, tools, instruments |
The regs offer two choices:
-in a partnership, only one member of the partnership may apply
-in a solo build, the the builder must have built the "majority" of
the airplane
If the airplane is in a "quick build" state, the person who finishes
it could say he built the majority. But if the airplane were nearly
finished, you could register it (the 51% rule would apply), but you
couldn't say you built the majority. I don't know if you could call
it a partnership, either, if the other "partner" who did most of the
work is unavailable.
-J
On Aug 6, 2007, at 9:52 AM, Greg Young wrote:
> Well gee, that's not true either. ONLY the Airworthiness
> Certification cares about the "51% rule" as Kevin noted. The
> Repairmans Certificate can be issued to only one builder per
> aircraft but doesn't require any specific level of participation.
> In group builds, one member of the group can get the RC. I think
> the FSDO has to make a judgment on whether the person is qualified
> for the RC, i.e. they built enough and have enough knowledge to
> maintain it. If they use the 51% as a limiting criteria they are
> making their own rules.
>
> Regards,
> Greg Young
>
>
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bill newkirk
> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 8:58 AM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: FW: RV4 Project for sale, including engine,
> tools, instruments
>
> BUT, what does matter, is that a person who builds less than 51%
> himself would not qualify for a Repairmans Certificate.
>
> Bill Newkirk
> Fresno, CA
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, August 6, 2007 5:05:25 AM
> Subject: Re: RV-List: FW: RV4 Project for sale, including engine,
> tools, instruments
>
>
> On 5 Aug 2007, at 19:41, john@jallenplace.com wrote:
>
> >
> > Jack Gageby, a long time RV-4 builder, suffered a debilitating
> > stroke last year. It is apparent that he won=92t fly again. That=92s
a
> > tough break for Jack, but leaves an opportunity for someone to take
> > over his RV-4 project.
> >
> > His wife has asked me to help sell the -4, which is currently
> > located at Fallon (FLX) near Reno, NV. The airframe is in a stage
> > roughly equivalent to a Van=92s =93quickbuild=94. There is an
O320-E2D
> > first run engine core with accessories and logbooks. There is also
> > a radio and a number of instruments.
> >
> > My thinking is that this would be an excellent way for someone to
> > walk into an RV4 project at a =93quickbuild=94 level without having
to
> > separately acquire an engine or tools. The project is at a point
> > where the builder could legitimately claim to be under the 51% rule
> > and receive the benefits thereof.
> >
>
> It wouldn't matter if the project was 99% complete - the new
> purchaser would still be OK with the 51% rule, as more than 51% would
> have been built by amateurs for educational purposes. Many projects
> change hands several times, with no one builder having done more than
> 50%.
>
> Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
> Ottawa, Canada
> http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
>
>
> 4:16 PM
>
> ========================
> ========================
>
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| Subject: | 3-D Paint Program |
I'm looking for a paint program that will allow me to rotate the
painted RV-8 image through 360 I've seen a few on builders'
websites, but don't know where they've gotten the software. Bill
VonDane - any thoughts? Others? Thanks in advance.
Ken Brooks
RV-8 N1903P
Finishing...
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| Subject: | 3-D Paint Program |
This one will work and it's free and it's lots of fun to use, but it will be
a frustrating process to create a 3-d file of an airplane.
http://www.sketchup.com/
I use it a lot for preliminary design of buildings.
Terry
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kenyon Brooks
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 9:46 AM
Subject: RV-List: 3-D Paint Program
I'm looking for a paint program that will allow me to rotate the
painted RV-8 image through 360 I've seen a few on builders'
websites, but don't know where they've gotten the software. Bill
VonDane - any thoughts? Others? Thanks in advance.
Ken Brooks
RV-8 N1903P
Finishing...
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| Subject: | Re: Something We Really Need |
How about the aerolift.
Jeff
Louis Willig wrote:
>
> Hi gang,
>
> Many of us have problems with the expense, and availability of hangars
> for our RV's. At over $400/month for a "T" in the Philadelphia area if
> you could even find one, I and several others have discussed tie down
> solutions. None of which are palatable. Any one who ties down his/her
> aircraft outside will have to find a temporary hangar in which to do
> repairs and maintenance. That's OK, do-able. But few of us live in a
> geographical area that is acceptable for long-term outside storage in
> terms of heat cold and moisture. I have recently spent some time in
> the almost perfect weather of Albuquerque and Santa Fe, and still
> find them only marginal for long term outside storage of an RV.
>
> What many of us really need is a solution that consists of some sort
> of shell that covers and protects our aircraft, can be removed easily,
> and would be acceptable to the airport and insurance companies (We
> don't want the thing blowing away and damaging other aircraft). Do any
> of you on this list have any ideas how to create the "Tie Down Hangar"
> I am conceptualizing? It would be worth a fortune to the person who
> can create and provide a secure "Tie Down Hangar" that the airport
> would find acceptable.
>
>
> -
> Louis I Willig
> 1640 Oakwood Dr.
> Penn Valley, PA 19072
> 610 668-4964
> RV-4, N180PF
> 190HP IO-360, C/S prop
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: FW: RV4 Project for sale, including engine, tools, instruments |
BUT...I believe if the builder who registers it can't prove HE did a
majority, he will NOT be able to get the coveted repairman's
certificate...but he can get it licensed.
Scott
http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/
Gotta Fly or Gonna Die
Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version)
Kevin Horton wrote:
>
> On 5 Aug 2007, at 19:41, john@jallenplace.com wrote:
>
>>
>> Jack Gageby, a long time RV-4 builder, suffered a debilitating
>> stroke last year. It is apparent that he wont fly again. Thats a
>> tough break for Jack, but leaves an opportunity for someone to take
>> over his RV-4 project.
>>
>> His wife has asked me to help sell the -4, which is currently
>> located at Fallon (FLX) near Reno, NV. The airframe is in a stage
>> roughly equivalent to a Vans quickbuild. There is an O320-E2D
>> first run engine core with accessories and logbooks. There is also a
>> radio and a number of instruments.
>>
>> My thinking is that this would be an excellent way for someone to
>> walk into an RV4 project at a quickbuild level without having to
>> separately acquire an engine or tools. The project is at a point
>> where the builder could legitimately claim to be under the 51% rule
>> and receive the benefits thereof.
>>
>
> It wouldn't matter if the project was 99% complete - the new
> purchaser would still be OK with the 51% rule, as more than 51% would
> have been built by amateurs for educational purposes. Many projects
> change hands several times, with no one builder having done more than
> 50%.
>
> Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
> Ottawa, Canada
> http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: FW: RV4 Project for sale, including engine, tools, instruments |
He will most likely be asked to prove he built a majority through photo
evidence (with HIM in the photos)...and/or a builders log (in which case
he would have to have time logged and if he fudged the numbers, he could
be looking at Federal "Pound You in the A**" Prison...not a promising
outlook ;) do not archive
Scott
http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/
Gotta Fly or Gonna Die
Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version)
scott bilinski wrote:
> Dont ask dont tell?
>
> Scott Bilinski
> RV-8a
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: bill newkirk <wwnewkirk@yahoo.com>
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, August 6, 2007 6:58:01 AM
> Subject: Re: RV-List: FW: RV4 Project for sale, including engine,
> tools, instruments
>
> BUT, what does matter, is that a person who builds less than 51%
> himself would not qualify for a Repairmans Certificate.
>
> Bill Newkirk
> Fresno, CA
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, August 6, 2007 5:05:25 AM
> Subject: Re: RV-List: FW: RV4 Project for sale, including engine,
> tools, instruments
>
>
> On 5 Aug 2007, at 19:41, john@jallenplace.com wrote:
>
> >
> > Jack Gageby, a long time RV-4 builder, suffered a debilitating
> > stroke last year. It is apparent that he wont fly again. Thats a
> > tough break for Jack, but leaves an opportunity for someone to take
> > over his RV-4 project.
> >
> > His wife has asked me to help sell the -4, which is currently
> > located at Fallon (FLX) near Reno, NV. The airframe is in a stage
> > roughly equivalent to a Vans quickbuild. There is an O320-E2D
> > first run engine core with accessories and logbooks. There is also
> > a radio and a number of instruments.
> >
> > My thinking is that this would be an excellent way for someone to
> > walk into an RV4 project at a quickbuild level without having to
> > separately acquire an engine or tools. The project is at a point
> > where the builder could legitimately claim to be under the 51% rule
> > and receive the benefits thereof.
> >
>
> It wouldn't matter if the project was 99% complete - the new
> purchaser would still be OK with the 51% rule, as more than 51% would
> have been built by amateurs for educational purposes. Many projects
> change hands several times, with no one builder having done more than
> 50%.
>
> Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
> Ottawa, Canada
> http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
>
>
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| Subject: | Seeking RV6 Cross Country routing tips |
Greetings,
I am planning a trip from Apalachicola FL to Fairfax CA later this month and
am looking for tips as to routing and or stopovers. I'd rather not contend
with any more mountain flying than necessary since I am a flatlander!
Also, is anyone familar with either Gnoss Field (DVO Novato), or San Rafael
(CA35)? San Rafale would be closer and more convenient to Fairfax, but it is
private. I'll probably be staying in the area for about a week.
Tips, comments, insight, advice all welcome.
Thanks in advance
David Wentzell N233DW Port St. Joe, FL
RV6, 200+ Hrs
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1. 05:50 AM - Re: Need source for rivet (Tim Lewis)
2. 07:46 AM - Re: Canopy Covers - Choice of Continuos use - or Light Weight (Paul
Besing)
3. 08:11 AM - Something We Really Need (Louis Willig)
4. 12:21 PM - Re: Something We Really Need (David Leonard)
5. 12:46 PM - Re: Something We Really Need (Bayne)
6. 04:42 PM - FW: RV4 Project for sale, including engine, tools, instruments (john@jallenplace.com)
________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
Time: 05:50:27 AM PST US
From: Tim Lewis
Subject: Re: RV-List: Need source for rivet
Depending on the application, a 1/4" round head steel screw and nyloc
nut might be an easier solution. The screw will be stronger than an
aluminum rivet, and it won't require a compatible rivet set like the
AN470AD8 will.
--
Tim Lewis -- HEF (Manassas, VA)
RV-6A N47TD -- 900 hrs
RV-10 #40059 under construction
Travis Hamblen wrote:
>
> I am looking for 10 either AN470AD8 or MS20470AD8 rivets (two
> different part numbers for the same rivet). I realize this rivet is
> REALLY wide for our typical application, but I have a specific need
> and just can not find a source for the rivet! The length is
> unimportant, as I can cut them down to the size I need. If you have
> any information as to where I can get these PLEASE e-mail me! Did I
> mention that once I have these bad boys squeezed into the holes they
> will be filling, the plane will be signed off and first flight will be
> made!! By the way, ACS and the usual sources stop at AD6 rivets!
>
> Travis
> TravisHamblen@gmail.com
>
>
________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
Time: 07:46:36 AM PST US
From: Paul Besing
Subject: Re: RV-List: Canopy Covers - Choice of Continuos use - or Light Weight
I would personally never use a canopy cover for extended periods of time. Over
night maybe, as long as you aren't in a dusty environment. Any dirt under the
cover and when the wind blows, and all of a sudden you have microscratches all
over your canopy. I would consider an internal cover of some sort, not an
external one.
Paul Besing
Ernie & Margo wrote:
Would someone with experience in using both the heavy canopy cover and the
light cover like to comment on their performance.
I am considering the Canopy Cover RV-9/9A (continuous duty) at $335 and the
Canopy Cover LW-6EXT (Light Weight}at $185. Cost is not the issue. My
impression is that the the heay cover is designed to protect parked
airplanes and the light weight models are designed for travel. I plan to do
a lot of cross-country flying 12 months per year. This includes exposure to
snow and ice, desert sun, etc., a couple of weeks at a time. The light
weight cover may not measure up to the heavy duty use, but is the
"continuous duty" cover too heavy and too bulky for travelling - perhaps
50% of all flight hours. Will the Light Weight travel cover self-destruct
with winter trips in the north-east and Canada.
I would appreciate any experience or insight. Ernest Kells - RV/9A (testing
electricals / preparing for the final inspecton)
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________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
Time: 08:11:01 AM PST US
From: Louis Willig
Subject: RV-List: Something We Really Need
Hi gang,
Many of us have problems with the expense, and availability of
hangars for our RV's. At over $400/month for a "T" in the
Philadelphia area if you could even find one, I and several others
have discussed tie down solutions. None of which are palatable. Any
one who ties down his/her aircraft outside will have to find a
temporary hangar in which to do repairs and maintenance. That's OK,
do-able. But few of us live in a geographical area that is
acceptable for long-term outside storage in terms of heat cold and
moisture. I have recently spent some time in the almost perfect
weather of Albuquerque and Santa Fe, and still find them only
marginal for long term outside storage of an RV.
What many of us really need is a solution that consists of some sort
of shell that covers and protects our aircraft, can be removed
easily, and would be acceptable to the airport and insurance
companies (We don't want the thing blowing away and damaging other
aircraft). Do any of you on this list have any ideas how to create
the "Tie Down Hangar" I am conceptualizing? It would be worth a
fortune to the person who can create and provide a secure "Tie Down
Hangar" that the airport would find acceptable.
-
Louis I Willig
1640 Oakwood Dr.
Penn Valley, PA 19072
610 668-4964
RV-4, N180PF
190HP IO-360, C/S prop
________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
Time: 12:21:57 PM PST US
From: "David Leonard"
Subject: Re: RV-List: Something We Really Need
I'm with you, we really do need something (not really an entirely new idea
I'm sure). One problem is that my airport will not allow any kind of a tarp
or awning. Whatever it is would have to be entirely supported by the
aircraft itself...
I have been thinking about some sort of tarp that will cover the canopy area
supported by clamps on the wings or fuselage. But a reasonable design
escapes me.
--
David Leonard
Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net
http://RotaryRoster.net
On 8/5/07, Louis Willig wrote:
>
>
> Hi gang,
>
> Many of us have problems with the expense, and availability of
> hangars for our RV's. At over $400/month for a "T" in the
> Philadelphia area if you could even find one, I and several others
> have discussed tie down solutions. None of which are palatable. Any
> one who ties down his/her aircraft outside will have to find a
> temporary hangar in which to do repairs and maintenance. That's OK,
> do-able. But few of us live in a geographical area that is
> acceptable for long-term outside storage in terms of heat cold and
> moisture. I have recently spent some time in the almost perfect
> weather of Albuquerque and Santa Fe, and still find them only
> marginal for long term outside storage of an RV.
>
> What many of us really need is a solution that consists of some sort
> of shell that covers and protects our aircraft, can be removed
> easily, and would be acceptable to the airport and insurance
> companies (We don't want the thing blowing away and damaging other
> aircraft). Do any of you on this list have any ideas how to create
> the "Tie Down Hangar" I am conceptualizing? It would be worth a
> fortune to the person who can create and provide a secure "Tie Down
> Hangar" that the airport would find acceptable.
>
>
> -
> Louis I Willig
> 1640 Oakwood Dr.
> Penn Valley, PA 19072
> 610 668-4964
> RV-4, N180PF
> 190HP IO-360, C/S prop
>
>
________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
Time: 12:46:14 PM PST US
From: "Bayne"
Subject: Re: RV-List: Something We Really Need
The Plane Pocket may be a suitable alternative.
http://www.planepocket.com/
----- Original Message -----
From: "Louis Willig"
Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 8:10 AM
Subject: RV-List: Something We Really Need
>
> Hi gang,
>
> Many of us have problems with the expense, and availability of hangars for
> our RV's. At over $400/month for a "T" in the Philadelphia area if you
> could even find one, I and several others have discussed tie down
> solutions. None of which are palatable. Any one who ties down his/her
> aircraft outside will have to find a temporary hangar in which to do
> repairs and maintenance. That's OK, do-able. But few of us live in a
> geographical area that is acceptable for long-term outside storage in
> terms of heat cold and moisture. I have recently spent some time in the
> almost perfect weather of Albuquerque and Santa Fe, and still find them
> only marginal for long term outside storage of an RV.
>
> What many of us really need is a solution that consists of some sort of
> shell that covers and protects our aircraft, can be removed easily, and
> would be acceptable to the airport and insurance companies (We don't want
> the thing blowing away and damaging other aircraft). Do any of you on this
> list have any ideas how to create the "Tie Down Hangar" I am
> conceptualizing? It would be worth a fortune to the person who can create
> and provide a secure "Tie Down Hangar" that the airport would find
> acceptable.
>
>
> -
> Louis I Willig
> 1640 Oakwood Dr.
> Penn Valley, PA 19072
> 610 668-4964
> RV-4, N180PF
> 190HP IO-360, C/S prop
>
>
> --
> 269.11.4/936 - Release Date: 8/4/2007 2:42 PM
>
>
________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________
Time: 04:42:40 PM PST US
Subject: RV-List: FW: RV4 Project for sale, including engine, tools, instruments
From: john@jallenplace.com
=0A
=0A
=0A
=0A=0AJack Gageby, a long time RV-4 builder, suffered a debilitating stroke
last year. It is apparent that he won=99t fly again. That=99s
a tough break for Jack, but leaves an opportunity for someone to take over
his RV-4 project.=0A=0AHis wife has asked me to help sell the -4, which is
currently located at Fallon (FLX) near Reno, NV. The airframe is in a stage
roughly equivalent to a Van=99s =9Cquickbuild=9D. There
is an O320-E2D first run engine core with accessories and logbooks. There i
s also a radio and a number of instruments.=0A=0AMy thinking is that this w
ould be an excellent way for someone to walk into an RV4 project at a
=9Cquickbuild=9D level without having to separately acquire an eng
ine or tools. The project is at a point where the builder could legitimatel
y claim to be under the 51% rule and receive the benefits thereof.=0A=0AMy
guess is an appropriate price would be in the $25k range for the airframe,
instruments, kit, and tools. We would also be willing to entertain offers o
n the separate components, though we have no interest in separating the air
frame kit itself. =0A
=0AJack's work was quite meticulous.
=0A=0APictures of the project can be seen at http://picasaweb.google.com/ja
llenplace/RV4Parts =0A=0AYou can contact me to get additional information.:
=0A=0AJohn Allen=0A626.676-8987 cell=0Arvator@jallenplace.com=0A=0ABTW. Jac
k's hangar partner, John Morgensen, is available on site and on request to
show the kit to prospective buyers. John is an RV-9 builder.=0A=0ARegards,
=0A=0AJohn Allen=0ARV-6A=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Something We Really Need |
At 05:30 PM 8/6/2007, you wrote:
>
>How about the aerolift.
>
>Jeff
The aerolift fills some needs, but does solve the problem of having
no hangars available. Most people do not want to share a private
hangar with an aerolift.
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| Subject: | Re: Cowl Intake plugs |
Tim, She said she'd make 'em for $80 plus shipping. Takes at least 3-4
hours depending on what lettering. Van's wants less but these would
personalized with your N#, name, city or whatever fits. They are heavy duty
red naugahyde with black nylon straps. No little flag sticking up like
Van's, though. Mine were made just a little big and they squish down
slightly for a snug, birdproof fit. If interested, send an offline email
address and she'll figure out letters & colors. Greg
On 8/4/07, Tim Bryan <n616tb@btsapps.com> wrote:
>
> Would she make some for me? Pretty please J
>
> Tim
>
>
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> owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Greg Williams
> *Sent:* Friday, August 03, 2007 8:57 PM
> *To:* rv-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV-List: Cowl Intake plugs
>
>
> Tim,
> Van's makes a set, I'm sure you know. My wife has started making them on
> her new embroidery/sewing machine. The ones for my RV-7 have our N-number
> on one plug and our names on the other side. Pretty neat. We were going to
> make and sell them at Arlington and but had too much fun at the airshow.
> Greg
>
> On 7/31/07, *Tim Bryan* <n616tb@btsapps.com> wrote:
>
> While at Oshkosh I saw several RV's with red plugs that go in the cowl
> intakes. Where can a person get these for an RV-6?
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Tim
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| Subject: | Cowl Intake plugs |
Greg,
I am not seeing your email addy in the message. Can you send it to me off
line at n616tb@btsapps.com
Thanks
Tim
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Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 6:58 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Cowl Intake plugs
If interested, send an offline email address and she'll figure out letters &
colors. Greg
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| Subject: | Seeking RV6 Cross Country routing tips |
Lowest altitude route would be to follow the Interstate toward Southern
California through northern New Mexico and Northern Arizona. When you get
to California, I would navigate south of Twenty Nine Palms (TNP) Restricted
(R-2501E & W) toward Bakersfield remaining south of the Edwards Restricted
(R-2515) area then GPS direct to your destination. (TNP-PMD-EHF or KBFL)
Can do this route without going over 8500.
KBGD (Borger, TX) has two cars, $15 / night hangar, several hotels and
reasonable fuel price.
KSJN (St. John, AZ) also is LOW price fuel but NO nearby hotel that I know
of.
L35 (Big Bear, CA) is in the mountains (6,752 MSL) of SoCAL but typically
has cheap fuel. ($3.89 on 30 July) It is nice to stop for gas at higher
airports to save fuel and time climbing back to altitude.
I use http://www.airnav.com/plan/fuel/ to plan low cost fuel stops.
GPS direct would take you north of Las Vegas NV and put you over some
mountains getting into California. (11,000 peak near Mono Lake)
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
2,050 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA
----Original Message Follows----
From: d wntzl <dwntzl@yahoo.com>
Subject: RV-List: Seeking RV6 Cross Country routing tips
Greetings,
I am planning a trip from Apalachicola FL to Fairfax CA later this
month and am looking for tips as to routing and or stopovers. I'd rather not
contend with any more mountain flying than necessary since I am a
flatlander!
Also, is anyone familar with either Gnoss Field (DVO Novato), or San
Rafael (CA35)? San Rafale would be closer and more convenient to Fairfax,
but it is private. I'll probably be staying in the area for about a week.
Tips, comments, insight, advice all welcome.
Thanks in advance
David Wentzell N233DW Port St. Joe, FL
RV6, 200+ Hrs
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| Subject: | Re: Seeking RV6 Cross Country routing tips |
Dave, I used to work across the street from San Rafeal and flew to
work once or twice.The runway is very narrow, and usually in poor
repair. I moved from the area 4-5 years ago, the residents have been
trying to get it closed. At the time there wasn't any provision for
transient parking, there were no services and no fuel. Gnoss (DVO) is
about 8-9 mile north (freeway) and has all of the services you would
need/expect. The approach to the No. runway is over some hills, and
there is a large radio tower in the vicinity, so use caution if
visibility is limited. while you're out there, be sure to make the
'loop' i.e. take off from Gnoss/San Rafael, go northwest towards
Bodega Bay, then follow the coast line south either reaching out to
Point Reyes, or following Tomales bay (San Andreas Fault) and continue
down the coast to the Golden Gate cross over the Golden Gate view San
Francisco off your left, Alcatraz below and then turn north east and
head up towards Sausalito and San Rafael. If the weather is good , it's
some of the best scenery in the country. I used to take out of towners
for the same trip when we lived there.
Deems Davis # 406
'Its all done....Its just not put together'
http://deemsrv10.com/
d wntzl wrote:
> Greetings,
> I am planning a trip from Apalachicola FL to Fairfax CA later this
> month and am looking for tips as to routing and or stopovers. I'd
> rather not contend with any more mountain flying than necessary since
> I am a flatlander!
> Also, is anyone familar with either Gnoss Field (DVO Novato), or
> San Rafael (CA35)? San Rafale would be closer and more convenient to
> Fairfax, but it is private. I'll probably be staying in the area for
> about a week.
> Tips, comments, insight, advice all welcome.
> Thanks in advance
> David Wentzell N233DW Port St. Joe, FL
> RV6, 200+ Hrs
>
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> 1. 05:50 AM - Re: Need source for rivet (Tim Lewis)
> 2. 07:46 AM - Re: Canopy Covers - Choice of Continuos use - or
> Light Weight (Paul Besing)
> 3. 08:11 AM - Something We Really Need (Louis Willig)
> 4. 12:21 PM - Re: Something We Really Need (David Leonard)
> 5. 12:46 PM - Re: Something We Really Need (Bayne)
> 6. 04:42 PM - FW: RV4 Project for sale, including engine, tools,
> instruments (john@jallenplace.com)
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 05:50:27 AM PST US
> From: Tim Lewis
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Need source for rivet
>
>
> Depending on the application, a 1/4" round head steel screw and nyloc
> nut might be an easier solution. The screw will be stronger than an
> aluminum rivet, and it won't require a compatible rivet set like the
> AN470AD8 will.
>
> --
> Tim Lewis -- HEF (Manassas, VA)
> RV-6A N47TD -- 900 hrs
> RV-10 #40059 under construction
>
>
> Travis Hamblen wrote:
> >
> > I am looking for 10 either AN470AD8 or MS20470AD8 rivets (two
> > different part numbers for the same rivet). I realize this rivet is
> > REALLY wide for our typical application, but I have a specific need
> > and just can not find a source for the rivet! The length is
> > unimportant, as I can cut them down to the size I need. If you have
> > any information as to where I can get these PLEASE e-mail me! Did I
> > mention that once I have these bad boys squeezed into the holes
> they
> > will be filling, the plane will be signed off and first flight
> will be
> > made!! By the way, ACS and the usual sources stop at AD6 rivets!
> >
> > Travis
> > TravisHamblen@gmail.com
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:46:36 AM PST US
> From: Paul Besing
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Canopy Covers - Choice of Continuos use - or
> Light Weight
>
> I would personally never use a canopy cover for extended periods
> of time. Over
> night maybe, as long as you aren't in a dusty environment. Any
> dirt under the
> cover and when the wind blows, and all of a sudden you have
> microscratches all
> over your canopy. I would consider an internal cover of some sort,
> not an
> external one.
>
> Paul Besing
>
> Ernie & Margo wrote:
>
> Would someone with experience in using both the heavy canopy cover
> and the
> light cover like to comment on their performance.
>
> I am considering the Canopy Cover RV-9/9A (continuous duty) at
> $335 and the
> Canopy Cover LW-6EXT (Light Weight}at $185. Cost is not the issue. My
> impression is that the the heay cover is designed to protect parked
> airplanes and the light weight models are designed for travel. I
> plan to do
> a lot of cross-country flying 12 months per year. This includes
> exposure to
> snow and ice, desert sun, etc., a couple of weeks at a time. The
> light
> weight cover may not measure up to the heavy duty use, but is the
> "continuous duty" cover too heavy and too bulky for travelling -
> perhaps
> 50% of all flight hours. Will the Light Weight travel cover
> self-destruct
> with winter trips in the north-east and Canada.
>
> I would appreciate any experience or insight. Ernest Kells - RV/9A
> (testing
> electricals / preparing for the final inspecton)
>
>
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> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:11:01 AM PST US
> From: Louis Willig
> Subject: RV-List: Something We Really Need
>
>
> Hi gang,
>
> Many of us have problems with the expense, and availability of
> hangars for our RV's. At over $400/month for a "T" in the
> Philadelphia area if you could even find one, I and several others
> have discussed tie down solutions. None of which are palatable. Any
> one who ties down his/her aircraft outside will have to find a
> temporary hangar in which to do repairs and maintenance. That's OK,
> do-able. But few of us live in a geographical area that is
> acceptable for long-term outside storage in terms of heat cold and
> moisture. I have recently spent some time in the almost perfect
> weather of Albuquerque and Santa Fe, and still find them only
> marginal for long term outside storage of an RV.
>
> What many of us really need is a solution that consists of some sort
> of shell that covers and protects our aircraft, can be removed
> easily, and would be acceptable to the airport and insurance
> companies (We don't want the thing blowing away and damaging other
> aircraft). Do any of you on this list have any ideas how to create
> the "Tie Down Hangar" I am conceptualizing? It would be worth a
> fortune to the person who can create and provide a secure "Tie Down
> Hangar" that the airport would find acceptable.
>
>
> -
> Louis I Willig
> 1640 Oakwood Dr.
> Penn Valley, PA 19072
> 610 668-4964
> RV-4, N180PF
> 190HP IO-360, C/S prop
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:21:57 PM PST US
> From: "David Leonard"
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Something We Really Need
>
> I'm with you, we really do need something (not really an entirely
> new idea
> I'm sure). One problem is that my airport will not allow any kind
> of a tarp
> or awning. Whatever it is would have to be entirely supported by the
> aircraft itself...
>
> I have been thinking about some sort of tarp that will cover the
> canopy area
> supported by clamps on the wings or fuselage. But a reasonable design
> escapes me.
>
> --
> David Leonard
>
> Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
> http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net
> http://RotaryRoster.net
>
>
> On 8/5/07, Louis Willig wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi gang,
> >
> > Many of us have problems with the expense, and availability of
> > hangars for our RV's. At over $400/month for a "T" in the
> > Philadelphia area if you could even find one, I and several others
> > have discussed tie down solutions. None of which are palatable. Any
> > one who ties down his/her aircraft outside will have to find a
> > temporary hangar in which to do repairs and maintenance. That's OK,
> > do-able. But few of us live in a geographical area that is
> > acceptable for long-term outside storage in terms of heat cold and
> > moisture. I have recently spent some time in the almost perfect
> > weather of Albuquerque and Santa Fe, and still find them only
> > marginal for long term outside storage of an RV.
> >
> > What many of us really need is a solution that consists of some sort
> > of shell that covers and protects our aircraft, can be removed
> > easily, and would be acceptable to the airport and insurance
> > companies (We don't want the thing blowing away and damaging other
> > aircraft). Do any of you on this list have any ideas how to create
> > the "Tie Down Hangar" I am conceptualizing? It would be worth a
> > fortune to the person who can create and provide a secure "Tie Down
> > Hangar" that the airport would find acceptable.
> >
> >
> > -
> > Louis I Willig
> > 1640 Oakwood Dr.
> > Penn Valley, PA 19072
> > 610 668-4964
> > RV-4, N180PF
> > 190HP IO-360, C/S prop
> >
> >
>
> ________________________________ Message 5
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:46:14 PM PST US
> From: "Bayne"
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Something We Really Need
>
>
> The Plane Pocket may be a suitable alternative.
> http://www.planepocket.com/
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Louis Willig"
> Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 8:10 AM
> Subject: RV-List: Something We Really Need
>
>
> >
> > Hi gang,
> >
> > Many of us have problems with the expense, and availability of
> hangars for
> > our RV's. At over $400/month for a "T" in the Philadelphia area
> if you
> > could even find one, I and several others have discussed tie down
> > solutions. None of which are palatable. Any one who ties down
> his/her
> > aircraft outside will have to find a temporary hangar in which
> to do
> > repairs and maintenance. That's OK, do-able. But few of us live
> in a
> > geographical area that is acceptable for long-term outside
> storage in
> > terms of heat cold and moisture. I have recently spent some time
> in the
> > almost perfect weather of Albuquerque and Santa Fe, and still
> find them
> > only marginal for long term outside storage of an RV.
> >
> > What many of us really need is a solution that consists of some
> sort of
> > shell that covers and protects our aircraft, can be removed
> easily, and
> > would be acceptable to the airport and insurance companies (We
> don't want
> > the thing blowing away and damaging other aircraft). Do any of
> you on this
> > list have any ideas how to create the "Tie Down Hangar" I am
> > conceptualizing? It would be worth a fortune to the person who
> can create
> > and provide a secure "Tie Down Hangar" that the airport would find
> > acceptable.
> >
> >
> > -
> > Louis I Willig
> > 1640 Oakwood Dr.
> > Penn Valley, PA 19072
> > 610 668-4964
> > RV-4, N180PF
> > 190HP IO-360, C/S prop
> >
> >
> > --
> > 269.11.4/936 - Release Date: 8/4/2007 2:42 PM
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 6
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 04:42:40 PM PST US
> Subject: RV-List: FW: RV4 Project for sale, including engine,
> tools, instruments
> From: john@jallenplace.com
>
> =0A
> =0A
> =0A
> =0A=0AJack Gageby, a long time RV-4 builder, suffered a
> debilitating stroke
> last year. It is apparent that he won=99t fly again. That=99s
> a tough break for Jack, but leaves an opportunity for someone to
> take over
> his RV-4 project.=0A=0AHis wife has asked me to help sell the -4,
> which is
> currently located at Fallon (FLX) near Reno, NV. The airframe is
> in a stage
> roughly equivalent to a Van=99s =9Cquickbuild=9D. There
> is an O320-E2D first run engine core with accessories and
> logbooks. There i
> s also a radio and a number of instruments.=0A=0AMy thinking is
> that this w
> ould be an excellent way for someone to walk into an RV4 project at a
> =9Cquickbuild=9D level without having to separately acquire an eng
> ine or tools. The project is at a point where the builder could
> legitimatel
> y claim to be under the 51% rule and receive the benefits
> thereof.=0A=0AMy
> guess is an appropriate price would be in the $25k range for the
> airframe,
> instruments, kit, and tools. We would also be willing to entertain
> offers o
> n the separate components, though we have no interest in
> separating the air
> frame kit itself. =0A
> =0AJack's work was quite meticulous.
> =0A=0APictures of the project can be seen at
> http://picasaweb.google.com/ja
> llenplace/RV4Parts =0A=0AYou can contact me to get additional that
> gives answers, not web links.
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
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| Subject: | Priming steel nose gear leg |
I got my modified nose gear leg back today and noticed some rust.
So I will clean that up and need to protect it. After spending about
30 minutes in the archives I am not certain of an acceptable approach.
I have GBP 988 spray cans but some posts suggest that it has to be
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Is that correct and if so any recommendations on commonly available
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| Subject: | Seeking RV6 Cross Country routing tips |
Hi David,
Gnoss is a great airport with lots of interesting airplanes. The area is
great and well worth stopping by. There's a fun winery with a huge
selection of other products as well just up the hill. A nature preserve is
located next to the airport. The winds can be "interesting". If the
conditions allow landing I'd recommend it. It's not located very close to
anything though. You'll definitely need a car. I'd be sure to check that
you can obtain one once you land.
Dave
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of d wntzl
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 4:07 PM
Subject: RV-List: Seeking RV6 Cross Country routing tips
Greetings,
I am planning a trip from Apalachicola FL to Fairfax CA later this month
and am looking for tips as to routing and or stopovers. I'd rather not
contend with any more mountain flying than necessary since I am a
flatlander!
Also, is anyone familar with either Gnoss Field (DVO Novato), or San
Rafael (CA35)? San Rafale would be closer and more convenient to Fairfax,
but it is private. I'll probably be staying in the area for about a week.
Tips, comments, insight, advice all welcome.
Thanks in advance
David Wentzell N233DW Port St. Joe, FL
RV6, 200+ Hrs
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1. 05:50 AM - Re: Need source for rivet (Tim Lewis)
2. 07:46 AM - Re: Canopy Covers - Choice of Continuos use - or Light Weight
(Paul Besing)
3. 08:11 AM - Something We Really Need (Louis Willig)
4. 12:21 PM - Re: Something We Really Need (David Leonard)
5. 12:46 PM - Re: Something We Really Need (Bayne)
6. 04:42 PM - FW: RV4 Project for sale, including engine, tools, instruments
(john@jallenplace.com)
________________________________ Message 1
_____________________________________
Time: 05:50:27 AM PST US
From: Tim Lewis
Subject: Re: RV-List: Need source for rivet
Depending on the application, a 1/4" round head steel screw and nyloc
nut might be an easier solution. The screw will be stronger than an
aluminum rivet, and it won't require a compatible rivet set like the
AN470AD8 will.
--
Tim Lewis -- HEF (Manassas, VA)
RV-6A N47TD -- 900 hrs
RV-10 #40059 under construction
Travis Hamblen wrote:
>
> I am looking for 10 either AN470AD8 or MS20470AD8 rivets (two
> different part numbers for the same rivet). I realize this rivet is
> REALLY wide for our typical application, but I have a specific need
> and just can not find a source for the rivet! The length is
> unimportant, as I can cut them down to the size I need. If you have
> any information as to where I can get these PLEASE e-mail me! Did I
> mention that once I have these bad boys squeezed into the holes they
> will be filling, the plane will be signed off and first flight will be
> made!! By the way, ACS and the usual sources stop at AD6 rivets!
>
> Travis
> TravisHamblen@gmail.com
>
>
________________________________ Message 2
_____________________________________
Time: 07:46:36 AM PST US
From: Paul Besing
Subject: Re: RV-List: Canopy Covers - Choice of Continuos use - or Light
Weight
I would personally never use a canopy cover for extended periods of time.
Over
night maybe, as long as you aren't in a dusty environment. Any dirt under
the
cover and when the wind blows, and all of a sudden you have microscratches
all
over your canopy. I would consider an internal cover of some sort, not an
external one.
Paul Besing
Ernie & Margo wrote:
Would someone with experience in using both the heavy canopy cover and the
light cover like to comment on their performance.
I am considering the Canopy Cover RV-9/9A (continuous duty) at $335 and the
Canopy Cover LW-6EXT (Light Weight}at $185. Cost is not the issue. My
impression is that the the heay cover is designed to protect parked
airplanes and the light weight models are designed for travel. I plan to do
a lot of cross-country flying 12 months per year. This includes exposure to
snow and ice, desert sun, etc., a couple of weeks at a time. The light
weight cover may not measure up to the heavy duty use, but is the
"continuous duty" cover too heavy and too bulky for travelling - perhaps
50% of all flight hours. Will the Light Weight travel cover self-destruct
with winter trips in the north-east and Canada.
I would appreciate any experience or insight. Ernest Kells - RV/9A (testing
electricals / preparing for the final inspecton)
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________________________________ Message 3
_____________________________________
Time: 08:11:01 AM PST US
From: Louis Willig
Subject: RV-List: Something We Really Need
Hi gang,
Many of us have problems with the expense, and availability of
hangars for our RV's. At over $400/month for a "T" in the
Philadelphia area if you could even find one, I and several others
have discussed tie down solutions. None of which are palatable. Any
one who ties down his/her aircraft outside will have to find a
temporary hangar in which to do repairs and maintenance. That's OK,
do-able. But few of us live in a geographical area that is
acceptable for long-term outside storage in terms of heat cold and
moisture. I have recently spent some time in the almost perfect
weather of Albuquerque and Santa Fe, and still find them only
marginal for long term outside storage of an RV.
What many of us really need is a solution that consists of some sort
of shell that covers and protects our aircraft, can be removed
easily, and would be acceptable to the airport and insurance
companies (We don't want the thing blowing away and damaging other
aircraft). Do any of you on this list have any ideas how to create
the "Tie Down Hangar" I am conceptualizing? It would be worth a
fortune to the person who can create and provide a secure "Tie Down
Hangar" that the airport would find acceptable.
-
Louis I Willig
1640 Oakwood Dr.
Penn Valley, PA 19072
610 668-4964
RV-4, N180PF
190HP IO-360, C/S prop
________________________________ Message 4
_____________________________________
Time: 12:21:57 PM PST US
From: "David Leonard"
Subject: Re: RV-List: Something We Really Need
I'm with you, we really do need something (not really an entirely new idea
I'm sure). One problem is that my airport will not allow any kind of a tarp
or awning. Whatever it is would have to be entirely supported by the
aircraft itself...
I have been thinking about some sort of tarp that will cover the canopy area
supported by clamps on the wings or fuselage. But a reasonable design
escapes me.
--
David Leonard
Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net
http://RotaryRoster.net
On 8/5/07, Louis Willig wrote:
>
>
> Hi gang,
>
> Many of us have problems with the expense, and availability of
> hangars for our RV's. At over $400/month for a "T" in the
> Philadelphia area if you could even find one, I and several others
> have discussed tie down solutions. None of which are palatable. Any
> one who ties down his/her aircraft outside will have to find a
> temporary hangar in which to do repairs and maintenance. That's OK,
> do-able. But few of us live in a geographical area that is
> acceptable for long-term outside storage in terms of heat cold and
> moisture. I have recently spent some time in the almost perfect
> weather of Albuquerque and Santa Fe, and still find them only
> marginal for long term outside storage of an RV.
>
> What many of us really need is a solution that consists of some sort
> of shell that covers and protects our aircraft, can be removed
> easily, and would be acceptable to the airport and insurance
> companies (We don't want the thing blowing away and damaging other
> aircraft). Do any of you on this list have any ideas how to create
> the "Tie Down Hangar" I am conceptualizing? It would be worth a
> fortune to the person who can create and provide a secure "Tie Down
> Hangar" that the airport would find acceptable.
>
>
> -
> Louis I Willig
> 1640 Oakwood Dr.
> Penn Valley, PA 19072
> 610 668-4964
> RV-4, N180PF
> 190HP IO-360, C/S prop
>
>
________________________________ Message 5
_____________________________________
Time: 12:46:14 PM PST US
From: "Bayne"
Subject: Re: RV-List: Something We Really Need
The Plane Pocket may be a suitable alternative.
http://www.planepocket.com/
----- Original Message -----
From: "Louis Willig"
Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 8:10 AM
Subject: RV-List: Something We Really Need
>
> Hi gang,
>
> Many of us have problems with the expense, and availability of hangars for
> our RV's. At over $400/month for a "T" in the Philadelphia area if you
> could even find one, I and several others have discussed tie down
> solutions. None of which are palatable. Any one who ties down his/her
> aircraft outside will have to find a temporary hangar in which to do
> repairs and maintenance. That's OK, do-able. But few of us live in a
> geographical area that is acceptable for long-term outside storage in
> terms of heat cold and moisture. I have recently spent some time in the
> almost perfect weather of Albuquerque and Santa Fe, and still find them
> only marginal for long term outside storage of an RV.
>
> What many of us really need is a solution that consists of some sort of
> shell that covers and protects our aircraft, can be removed easily, and
> would be acceptable to the airport and insurance companies (We don't want
> the thing blowing away and damaging other aircraft). Do any of you on this
> list have any ideas how to create the "Tie Down Hangar" I am
> conceptualizing? It would be worth a fortune to the person who can create
> and provide a secure "Tie Down Hangar" that the airport would find
> acceptable.
>
>
> -
> Louis I Willig
> 1640 Oakwood Dr.
> Penn Valley, PA 19072
> 610 668-4964
> RV-4, N180PF
> 190HP IO-360, C/S prop
>
>
> --
> 269.11.4/936 - Release Date: 8/4/2007 2:42 PM
>
>
________________________________ Message 6
_____________________________________
Time: 04:42:40 PM PST US
Subject: RV-List: FW: RV4 Project for sale, including engine, tools,
instruments
From: john@jallenplace.com
=0A
=0A
=0A
=0A=0AJack Gageby, a long time RV-4 builder, suffered a debilitating stroke
last year. It is apparent that he won=99t fly again. That=99s
a tough break for Jack, but leaves an opportunity for someone to take over
his RV-4 project.=0A=0AHis wife has asked me to help sell the -4, which is
currently located at Fallon (FLX) near Reno, NV. The airframe is in a stage
roughly equivalent to a Van=99s =9Cquickbuild=9D. There
is an O320-E2D first run engine core with accessories and logbooks. There i
s also a radio and a number of instruments.=0A=0AMy thinking is that this w
ould be an excellent way for someone to walk into an RV4 project at a
=9Cquickbuild=9D level without having to separately acquire an eng
ine or tools. The project is at a point where the builder could legitimatel
y claim to be under the 51% rule and receive the benefits thereof.=0A=0AMy
guess is an appropriate price would be in the $25k range for the airframe,
instruments, kit, and tools. We would also be willing to entertain offers o
n the separate components, though we have no interest in separating the air
frame kit itself. =0A
=0AJack's work was quite meticulous.
=0A=0APictures of the project can be seen at http://picasaweb.google.com/ja
llenplace/RV4Parts =0A=0AYou can contact me to get additional that gives
answers, not web links.
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