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1. 04:01 AM - Re: fun last Saturday (Dale Ensing)
2. 04:58 AM - Re: fun last Saturday (N395V)
3. 05:46 AM - avionics for sale (Bill VonDane)
4. 05:49 AM - Re: fun last Saturday (Chuck Jensen)
5. 08:20 AM - Precision Airmotive Eagle EMS (Valovich, Paul)
6. 08:51 AM - conduit (Wheeler North)
7. 09:03 AM - Re: conduit (Tim Bryan)
8. 10:30 AM - Re: Re: fun last Saturday ()
9. 10:31 AM - Re: Precision Airmotive Eagle EMS (Ron Lee)
10. 10:33 AM - Re: Precision Airmotive Eagle EMS (Ron Lee)
11. 10:34 AM - COPPERSTATE Fly-in Oct 25-28 (Help Wanted) (JAMES MCCHESNEY)
12. 10:49 AM - Re: fun last Saturday (Bob Collins)
13. 11:09 AM - Re: Precision Airmotive Eagle EMS (Bret Smith)
14. 11:22 AM - Re: fun last Saturday (Scott)
15. 12:03 PM - Re: fun last Saturday (Chuck Jensen)
16. 12:13 PM - Re: Re: fun last Saturday (Joseph Larson)
17. 12:33 PM - Re: fun last Saturday (Bob Collins)
18. 12:46 PM - Re: conduit (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
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22. 01:49 PM - Re: Re: fun last Saturday (Chuck Jensen)
23. 01:49 PM - Re: fun last Saturday (Bob Collins)
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31. 02:18 PM - Re: conduit (Gordon or Marge)
32. 02:20 PM - Re: Re: fun last Saturday (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
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36. 02:59 PM - Re: conduit (John W. Cox)
37. 03:07 PM - Re: Re: fun last Saturday (Joseph Larson)
38. 03:20 PM - RV8 video Great Britain (Dale Walter)
39. 03:24 PM - Re: fun last Saturday (Scott)
40. 03:38 PM - Re: Re: fun last Saturday (Charlie England)
41. 07:37 PM - Re: fun last Saturday (Jerry Isler)
42. 08:26 PM - Questions on O-320-D2A Sump Drains and a Slick Mag (Joe & Jan Connell)
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| Subject: | Re: fun last Saturday |
Vince,
Where is the Palisades nuclear power plant located? I am planning on
flying the scenic route up the shore line from Holland to Charlevoix
when I am Michigan late September. I totally agree with you but think
I'll avoid the 'bird watcher'.
Dale Ensing
do not archive
Homeland Security had received a report of aircraft flying near the
Palisades nuclear power plant, apparently from an observer at the plant
whose job is to watch for aircraft. The police officers asked for our
identification and recorded the registration numbers on our aircraft.
The police officers had no real indication if they were looking for our
aircraft or some other aircraft(s) who may have been the real target.
They relayed this information to Homeland Security, who gave the
officers physical descriptions of me and my friend to confirm our
identities. The officers departed after confirming our identities.
Vince Frazier
3965 Caborn Road
Mount Vernon, IN 47620
812-464-1839 daytime
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| Subject: | Re: fun last Saturday |
> with a "wide stance".
[Laughing]
do not archive
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Milt
2003 F1 Rocket
2006 Radial Rocket
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| Subject: | avionics for sale |
I have a buddy that has some stuff for sale... Please contact him
directly...
- King KX165 Nav/Comm (this is the 28V unit), spruce has for $3695, will
sell for $2000
- Garmin 106 Remote Head (not a 106a), spruce has for $1500, will sell
for $950
Contact Burrall Sanders: yankeeair@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | fun last Saturday |
Palisades NPP is right on the shores of Lake Michigan just outside of
South Haven, MI, which is about 35 miles N. of the Michigan/Indiana
line. DC Cook NPP is 25 miles S of Palisades, also on the shore line.
If you're going to loiter in the area, make sure your preflight includes
brushing up on the intercept signals---just kidding. Vince's experience
was the first that I've ever heard of at a NPP. They are required to
exercise vigilance, but small planes are not perceived to be a
particular threat by the NRC or plant security. Piperphobia is mostly
limited to CC (clueless congressmen). This might have been an exception
but perhaps there was some fool "buzzing" the plant and security got
tired of it and Vince ended up on the receiving end of security's "we'll
teach him a lesson." Then again, it might have been one of those
"concerned citizens" that decided they were going to protect the world
and report an airplane in the sky--it happens.
Chuck
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dale Ensing
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 7:00 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: fun last Saturday
Vince,
Where is the Palisades nuclear power plant located? I am planning on
flying the scenic route up the shore line from Holland to Charlevoix
when I am Michigan late September. I totally agree with you but think
I'll avoid the 'bird watcher'.
Dale Ensing
do not archive
Homeland Security had received a report of aircraft
flying near the Palisades nuclear power plant, apparently from an
observer at the plant whose job is to watch for aircraft. The police
officers asked for our identification and recorded the registration
numbers on our aircraft. The police officers had no real indication if
they were looking for our aircraft or some other aircraft(s) who may
have been the real target. They relayed this information to Homeland
Security, who gave the officers physical descriptions of me and my
friend to confirm our identities. The officers departed after
confirming our identities.
Vince Frazier
3965 Caborn Road
Mount Vernon, IN 47620
812-464-1839 daytime
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| Subject: | Precision Airmotive Eagle EMS |
Indecision is once again the key to flexibility! After several
job-related delays, I'm REALLY at the engine-ordering stage of my -8A
project. I've decided on an Aerosport 180 hp fuel injected engine and
initially thought dual Lightspeed ignition was the way to go. However,
I've now heard of the Precision Airmotive Eagle EMS and am somewhat
intrigued.
Anyone have any experience - or opinions?
Paul Valovich
Ridgecrest, CA
N192NM Reserved
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To conduit or not to conduit, that is the question.
It is a waste of weight, but there are places where it is wise.
The bay spans in the -6 wing are not reachable by the design of arms which
remain attached to my body so there is conduit there, otherwise I avoid it.
Wrap probably doesn't reduce heat all that much over a loose thin conduit as
it really holds the wires tight together.
Rib stitching line or tie wraps with a little looseness between ties
probably do best for temperature.
I found these micro thin plastic sheathes that cover shower curtain rods at
Aero Depot for those few spans that nothing but a mini-monkey can get to.
They are split and can be reduced to fit right into a snap bushing very
easily.
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I had a Cessna 170B that I added a heated pitot in place of the stock one.
I couldn't really get my arms in there either, but it was sure easy to add
all the wire I needed. There was no conduit, but there was existing wire.
I just used an existing wire to pull in a string, then added a new wire to
it and pulled it all back in with the string.
I personally did not put any conduit in my -6 as I see no reason for it.
However, if you are so inclined to do this, then there is absolutely nothing
wrong with it. Pick whatever you like and put it in. It is experimental
and we definitely get to choose what part of experimental we want to
exercise. This is especially true on something as non structural as a
conduit in the wing.
Tim
Do Not Archive
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wheeler North
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 10:49 AM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: conduit
>
>
> To conduit or not to conduit, that is the question.
>
> It is a waste of weight, but there are places where it is wise.
>
> The bay spans in the -6 wing are not reachable by the design of arms which
> remain attached to my body so there is conduit there, otherwise I avoid
> it.
>
> Wrap probably doesn't reduce heat all that much over a loose thin conduit
> as
> it really holds the wires tight together.
>
> Rib stitching line or tie wraps with a little looseness between ties
> probably do best for temperature.
>
> I found these micro thin plastic sheathes that cover shower curtain rods
> at
> Aero Depot for those few spans that nothing but a mini-monkey can get to.
> They are split and can be reduced to fit right into a snap bushing very
> easily.
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: fun last Saturday |
OR...could it just be that the citizen alert system is working. Reporting of anything
that looks odd or out of place and expect or DEMAND that it be checked
out. Sounds to me like the "system" worked.
No one was arrested, tossed in jail without a hearing or bail nor beaten to a pulp.
Detained, questioned & released, exactly what I would have done and expect
the "Thin Blue Line" to continue to do. The sky isn't falling BUT that "could"
have been a wolf on sheep's clothing. Do Not Archive. KABONG
>From: Chuck Jensen <cjensen@dts9000.com>
>Date: 2007/08/30 Thu AM 07:48:01 CDT
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV-List: fun last Saturday
>MessagePalisades NPP is right on the shores of Lake Michigan just outside of South
Haven, MI, which is about 35 miles N. of the Michigan/Indiana line. DC Cook
NPP is 25 miles S of Palisades, also on the shore line. If you're going to
loiter in the area, make sure your preflight includes brushing up on the intercept
signals---just kidding. Vince's experience was the first that I've ever heard
of at a NPP. They are required to exercise vigilance, but small planes are
not perceived to be a particular threat by the NRC or plant security. Piperphobia
is mostly limited to CC (clueless congressmen). This might have been an
exception but perhaps there was some fool "buzzing" the plant and security got
tired of it and Vince ended up on the receiving end of security's "we'll teach
him a lesson." Then again, it might have been one of those "concerned citizens"
that decided they were going to protect the world and report an airplane in
the sky--it happens.
>Chuck
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dale Ensing
>Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 7:00 AM
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: fun last Saturday
>
>Vince,Where is the Palisades nuclear power plant located? I am planning on flying
the scenic route up the shore line from Holland to Charlevoix when I am Michigan
late September. I totally agree with you but think I'll avoid the 'bird
watcher'.Dale Ensingdo not archive
>
>
>Homeland Security had received a report of aircraft flying near the Palisades
nuclear power plant, apparently from an observer at the plant whose job
is to watch for aircraft. The police officers asked for our identification
and recorded the registration numbers on our aircraft. The police officers
had no real indication if they were looking for our aircraft or some other
aircraft(s) who may have been the real target. They relayed this information
to Homeland Security, who gave the officers physical descriptions
of me and my friend to confirm our identities. The officers departed after
confirming our identities.
>
>Vince Frazier
>3965 Caborn Road
>Mount Vernon, IN 47620
>812-464-1839 daytime
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| Subject: | Re: Precision Airmotive Eagle EMS |
While it sounds interesting I would like to see reasonable field use
reports.
I am not one to be an early adopter of new aviation items like this.
Nor am
I a fan of FADEC like systems. I have seen one and it struck me as too
complex, expensive, possible heavy and it "may" have been at fault in
the
forced landing of a 7A that was essentially destroyed.
I like to lean my mixture after start up to taxi and after landing to
minimize
plug fouling. That apparently is not possible with this system so I
would
guess (not verified) that foiled plugs may be more common than with my
carbureted, manually leaned system.
I definitely see no reason to change from what I have. With a new
purchase
it may make sense for some but with my perhaps close-minded view, I
would
stick with your original plan.
A mag and one Lightspeed do provide different ignition failure modes.
Ron Lee
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| Subject: | Re: Precision Airmotive Eagle EMS |
I just reread your ignition choice and see that you are planning DUAL
Lightspeeds versus my one (plus a mag). Lightspeed is the only system
that I would do that with.
Ron Lee
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| Subject: | COPPERSTATE Fly-in Oct 25-28 (Help Wanted) |
COPPERSTATE Regional EAA Fly-In will be held October 25-28 at the Casa
Grande, Arizona Municipal Airport (CGZ). See
www.copperstate.org<http://www.copperstate.org/> for details.
My name is Jim McChesney and I am the director of Aircraft Parking for
the COPPERSTATE Fly-In. Every fly-in that happens, anywhere, is
dependent on volunteers. It is a fact that fly-in's simply would not
exist if people didn't give away their time to make it happen.
COPPERSTATE is obviously no different and we truly appreciate all the
volunteers out there!
I perpetually have 2 specific volunteer opportunities in the aircraft
parking area that I am asking for help with.
#1- As aircraft exit the runway they are directed to ShowPlane Parking
(Experimental, Warbirds, Antiques, etc), Aircraft Camping and General
Aircraft Parking (most Cessnas, Pipers etc).
We need some folks who can ID aircraft well enough to tell Showplanes
from general transient aircraft and then direct the pilots, via radio (a
simple "turn left (or right) at the taxiway") to the general area of the
ramp where they are met by parking marshals and shown to their tie down
spot. Most people seem to shy away from this job but it's really not
hard. You don't have to know every airplane that taxis past and nobody's
feelings get hurt if a Cessna ends up with the homebuilts. So, if this
interests you at all please email me off list at
rvtach@msn.com<mailto:rvtach@msn.com>. We really need some help on this
one.
#2- The most common request I hear from pilots exiting the runway at our
event is "I'd like to park in the (insert aircraft type here. RV,
Luscombe, warbird, antique.) area." Unfortunately we have to tell them
that we don't have any type areas because we don't have the manpower to
staff them.
So, if you have an interest in a specific aircraft (like, I don't know,
maybe RVs...) and would like to host an area to showcase your favorite
aircraft please email me off list at
rvtach@msn.com<mailto:rvtach@msn.com>. This year I have a group of CAP
Cadets who are available to help out in these areas if you need some
extra help. You take charge of the area and I'll send you airplanes to
park.
There are some benefits to volunteering like this and the details can be
found at copperstate.org<http://www.copperstate.org/>. Basically you get
free admission to the fly in, free meals (3/day), free camping (if
you're so inclined). Besides all that you get to be a part of something
that's really a lot of fun!
Hope to see you at COPPERSTATE!
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| Subject: | Re: fun last Saturday |
jhstarn(at)verizon.net wrote:
> Sounds to me like the "system" worked.
> No one was arrested, tossed in jail without a hearing or bail nor beaten to a
pulp. Detained, questioned & released, exactly what I would have done and expect
the "Thin Blue Line" to continue to do.
Personally, I'm kind of a fan of the existence of "probable cause" before being
detained.
--------
Bob Collins
St. Paul, Minn.
RV Builder's Hotline (free!)
http://rvhotline.expercraft.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=131840#131840
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| Subject: | Re: Precision Airmotive Eagle EMS |
I talked with them this year at SnF and was also intrigued. I really
don't know where I would install the large CPU module, though. I also
understand that it is still in development with only one model actually
being tested..i.e. there is NO history yet on how well it performs.
Gonna watch closely...
Bret Smith
RV-9A "Fuselage"
Blue Ridge, GA
www.FlightInnovations.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Valovich, Paul
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 11:19 AM
Subject: RV-List: Precision Airmotive Eagle EMS
Indecision is once again the key to flexibility! After several
job-related delays, I'm REALLY at the engine-ordering stage of my -8A
project. I've decided on an Aerosport 180 hp fuel injected engine and
initially thought dual Lightspeed ignition was the way to go. However,
I've now heard of the Precision Airmotive Eagle EMS and am somewhat
intrigued.
Anyone have any experience - or opinions?
Paul Valovich
Ridgecrest, CA
N192NM Reserved
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| Subject: | Re: fun last Saturday |
However, how many cars get stopped after just driving by the plant on
the road out front? Boats sailing by?
Scott
http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/
Gotta Fly or Gonna Die
Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version)
jhstarn@verizon.net wrote:
>
>OR...could it just be that the citizen alert system is working. Reporting of anything
that looks odd or out of place and expect or DEMAND that it be checked
out. Sounds to me like the "system" worked.
>No one was arrested, tossed in jail without a hearing or bail nor beaten to a
pulp. Detained, questioned & released, exactly what I would have done and expect
the "Thin Blue Line" to continue to do. The sky isn't falling BUT that "could"
have been a wolf on sheep's clothing. Do Not Archive. KABONG
>
>
>
>
>>From: Chuck Jensen <cjensen@dts9000.com>
>>Date: 2007/08/30 Thu AM 07:48:01 CDT
>>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: RE: RV-List: fun last Saturday
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>MessagePalisades NPP is right on the shores of Lake Michigan just outside of
South Haven, MI, which is about 35 miles N. of the Michigan/Indiana line. DC
Cook NPP is 25 miles S of Palisades, also on the shore line. If you're going
to loiter in the area, make sure your preflight includes brushing up on the intercept
signals---just kidding. Vince's experience was the first that I've ever
heard of at a NPP. They are required to exercise vigilance, but small planes
are not perceived to be a particular threat by the NRC or plant security.
Piperphobia is mostly limited to CC (clueless congressmen). This might have
been an exception but perhaps there was some fool "buzzing" the plant and security
got tired of it and Vince ended up on the receiving end of security's "we'll
teach him a lesson." Then again, it might have been one of those "concerned
citizens" that decided they were going to protect the world and report an airplane
in the sky--it happen!
>>
>>
> s.
>
>
>>Chuck
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dale Ensing
>>Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 7:00 AM
>>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: RV-List: fun last Saturday
>>
>>Vince,Where is the Palisades nuclear power plant located? I am planning on flying
the scenic route up the shore line from Holland to Charlevoix when I am Michigan
late September. I totally agree with you but think I'll avoid the 'bird
watcher'.Dale Ensingdo not archive
>>
>>
>>Homeland Security had received a report of aircraft flying near the Palisades
nuclear power plant, apparently from an observer at the plant whose job
is to watch for aircraft. The police officers asked for our identification
and recorded the registration numbers on our aircraft. The police officers
had no real indication if they were looking for our aircraft or some
other aircraft(s) who may have been the real target. They relayed this
information to Homeland Security, who gave the officers physical descriptions
of me and my friend to confirm our identities. The officers departed
after confirming our identities.
>>
>>Vince Frazier
>>3965 Caborn Road
>>Mount Vernon, IN 47620
>>812-464-1839 daytime
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | fun last Saturday |
Scott,
The answer to your questions are None and None. However, they do have an exclusion
zone for boats that if you trespass, you will shortly have company. Likewise,
if you try to bring a car or truck on site, you will have to pass through
security, have a reason and be subject to a search. Not so with a plane.
We can arrive unannounced with no chance to question other than following to the
airport of landing.
Unlike security that we see at airports, security details for nuclear power plants
actually undergo training and drills and are reasonably professional...again
in contrast to some of the airport security with which we are too familiar.
But of course, I've never really challenged security at a nuclear plant. Perhaps
next time I will give them the ultimate test and try to smuggle in a monkey
under my hat.
Chuck
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: fun last Saturday
However, how many cars get stopped after just driving by the plant on
the road out front? Boats sailing by?
Scott
http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/
Gotta Fly or Gonna Die
Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version)
jhstarn@verizon.net wrote:
>
>OR...could it just be that the citizen alert system is working. Reporting of anything
that looks odd or out of place and expect or DEMAND that it be checked
out. Sounds to me like the "system" worked.
>No one was arrested, tossed in jail without a hearing or bail nor beaten to a
pulp. Detained, questioned & released, exactly what I would have done and expect
the "Thin Blue Line" to continue to do. The sky isn't falling BUT that "could"
have been a wolf on sheep's clothing. Do Not Archive. KABONG
>
>
>
>
>>From: Chuck Jensen <cjensen@dts9000.com>
>>Date: 2007/08/30 Thu AM 07:48:01 CDT
>>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: RE: RV-List: fun last Saturday
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>MessagePalisades NPP is right on the shores of Lake Michigan just
>>outside of South Haven, MI, which is about 35 miles N. of the Michigan/Indiana
line. DC Cook NPP is 25 miles S of Palisades, also on the shore line. If
you're going to loiter in the area, make sure your preflight includes brushing
up on the intercept signals---just kidding. Vince's experience was the first
that I've ever heard of at a NPP. They are required to exercise vigilance, but
small planes are not perceived to be a particular threat by the NRC or plant
security. Piperphobia is mostly limited to CC (clueless congressmen). This
might have been an exception but perhaps there was some fool "buzzing" the plant
and security got tired of it and Vince ended up on the receiving end of security's
"we'll teach him a lesson." Then again, it might have been one of those
"concerned citizens" that decided they were going to protect the world and
report an airplane in the sky--it happen!
>>
>>
> s.
>
>
>>Chuck
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dale Ensing
>>Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 7:00 AM
>>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: RV-List: fun last Saturday
>>
>>Vince,Where is the Palisades nuclear power plant located? I am planning on flying
the scenic route up the shore line from Holland to Charlevoix when I am Michigan
late September. I totally agree with you but think I'll avoid the 'bird
watcher'.Dale Ensingdo not archive
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>>
>>Homeland Security had received a report of aircraft flying near the Palisades
nuclear power plant, apparently from an observer at the plant whose job
is to watch for aircraft. The police officers asked for our identification
and recorded the registration numbers on our aircraft. The police officers
had no real indication if they were looking for our aircraft or some
other aircraft(s) who may have been the real target. They relayed this
information to Homeland Security, who gave the officers physical descriptions
of me and my friend to confirm our identities. The officers departed
after confirming our identities.
>>
>>Vince Frazier
>>3965 Caborn Road
>>Mount Vernon, IN 47620
>>812-464-1839 daytime
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| Subject: | Re: fun last Saturday |
I didn't notice a time duration on the length of the "detainment".
There's a big difference between 10 minutes to verify some
information vs. several hours.
But still sounds like someone was being an idiot. In this particular
case, I don't blame the police who did the investigation, but the
person who did the original report.
-Joe
On Aug 30, 2007, at 12:48 PM, Bob Collins wrote:
> <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
>
>
> jhstarn(at)verizon.net wrote:
>> Sounds to me like the "system" worked.
>> No one was arrested, tossed in jail without a hearing or bail nor
>> beaten to a pulp. Detained, questioned & released, exactly what I
>> would have done and expect the "Thin Blue Line" to continue to do.
>
>
> Personally, I'm kind of a fan of the existence of "probable cause"
> before being detained.
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| Subject: | Re: fun last Saturday |
[quote="jpl(at)showpage.org"]I
There's a big difference between 10 minutes to verify some
information vs. several hours.[quote]
Is there? You're a black person walking down a predominantly white neighborhood.
Some old bat who's afraid of black people calls the cops and says "there's a
black person in my neighborhood and I think he's going to rob people."
So the cops pull up to the black person and say, "what are you doing here?" And
then they ask him to prove that he's not there to rob anyone.
Now, I understand that a lot of folks probably don't see where this would be a
problem. Which is itself a problem far greater than the incident itself.
--------
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St. Paul, Minn.
RV Builder's Hotline (free!)
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In a message dated 08/30/2007 10:54:21 AM Central Daylight Time,
wnorth@sdccd.edu writes:
It is a waste of weight
>>>
This has been mentioned several times, so, feeling quite guilty, I went out
to the shop and carefully measured off 12" of the 1/2 CPVC "counduit" I used in
my plane, then weighed it on my wifes super-accurate electronic kitchen
scale. Result: 1.25 oz. Ten feet per wing x2 added 1 lb, 9 oz to my plane. For
kix&gigglz I grabbed 24 1/2" snap bushings and weighed. Result: .625 ounces.
I will be ripping the conduit out of my plane this weekend and installing the
snap bushings...
Or not-
8-)
Mark do not archive
http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
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| Subject: | Re: fun last Saturday |
I agree. When we allow casual intrusion on any member of our society, we are allowing
that intrusion on us all.
---- Bob Collins <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> [quote="jpl(at)showpage.org"]I
> There's a big difference between 10 minutes to verify some
> information vs. several hours.[quote]
>
> Is there? You're a black person walking down a predominantly white neighborhood.
Some old bat who's afraid of black people calls the cops and says "there's
a black person in my neighborhood and I think he's going to rob people."
>
> So the cops pull up to the black person and say, "what are you doing here?" And
then they ask him to prove that he's not there to rob anyone.
>
> Now, I understand that a lot of folks probably don't see where this would be
a problem. Which is itself a problem far greater than the incident itself.
>
> --------
> Bob Collins
> St. Paul, Minn.
> RV Builder's Hotline (free!)
> http://rvhotline.expercraft.com
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| Subject: | Re: fun last Saturday |
You mean: "Such a state of facts that would lead a reasonable and prudent man to
consentually entertain the belief that the person in question might have commited
an involved offence".
Sorry but the Police Academy was 40 years ago so it might have changed. (I'm sure
the word "man" has been changed)
Power plant area, airplanes over head, of unknown intent (photograph, testing the
waters, casing the joint), activities out of the "ordinary". Yep that's probable
cause to do SOMETHING, like talk to those involved. Do Not Archive KABONG
>From: Bob Collins <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
>Date: 2007/08/30 Thu PM 12:48:44 CDT
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: Re: fun last Saturday
>
>
>jhstarn(at)verizon.net wrote:
>> Sounds to me like the "system" worked.
>> No one was arrested, tossed in jail without a hearing or bail nor beaten to
a pulp. Detained, questioned & released, exactly what I would have done and expect
the "Thin Blue Line" to continue to do.
>
>
>Personally, I'm kind of a fan of the existence of "probable cause" before being
detained.
>
>--------
>Bob Collins
>St. Paul, Minn.
>RV Builder's Hotline (free!)
>http://rvhotline.expercraft.com
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| Subject: | Re: fun last Saturday |
Bob, I don't think that's quite a fair comparison, however.
Two houses ago for a house showing, I took my dogs in the car and
parked in a business parking lot from where I could watch my driveway
between a few other houses. I was waiting for the people to leave so
I could go home. But a strange car parked in an unexpected location
with a strange-looking white guy inside drew the attention of one of
my "neighbors", who summoned the police. The police stopped by, I
told them the story, they checked my ID and went about their merry way.
I wasn't offended. I'd rather have the police check who the strange
guy is than for the strange guy to be some sort of neighborhood stalker.
If they had asked me to come downtown with them or strip-searched me
or something, I would have been upset. But they talked to me for
about 5 minutes and left me alone after that.
The report that the original poster made said he was "detained", but
didn't say how long. If it was a couple of hours, I'd be upset,
too. If it was 5 minutes, then I'm reminded of mountains and mole
hills.
Furthermore, the O.P. said "if he flew a straight line" he didn't
come that close to the power station. Okay, but when is the last
time any of us flew perfectly along our desired flight path. I
almost never do. I might be as much as 5 miles to one side or the
other and don't really care that much. It's VFR, it's a nice day,
and I know where I am and where I'm going -- that's good enough for
me. Did the O.P. fly right over the top of that nuclear plant? We
don't know. From his report, he may not even know.
Where's the line? I don't know. I guess it depends on just how
closely he came to the power plant and how long they detained him.
And perhaps whether there had been recent intelligence of planned
attacks on nuclear power plants. 5 miles away isn't worthy of
notice. Right over the top, then yeah I think it's reasonable to at
least see who it was. And that's what they did.
-Joe
On Aug 30, 2007, at 2:31 PM, Bob Collins wrote:
> <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
>
> [quote="jpl(at)showpage.org"]I
> There's a big difference between 10 minutes to verify some
> information vs. several hours.[quote]
>
> Is there? You're a black person walking down a predominantly white
> neighborhood. Some old bat who's afraid of black people calls the
> cops and says "there's a black person in my neighborhood and I
> think he's going to rob people."
>
> So the cops pull up to the black person and say, "what are you
> doing here?" And then they ask him to prove that he's not there to
> rob anyone.
>
> Now, I understand that a lot of folks probably don't see where this
> would be a problem. Which is itself a problem far greater than the
> incident itself.
>
> --------
> Bob Collins
> St. Paul, Minn.
> RV Builder's Hotline (free!)
> http://rvhotline.expercraft.com
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| Subject: | Re: fun last Saturday |
I'm definitely against profiling, be it racial, ethnic, sexual. But
then again, it strikes one as a little absurd that an 85 year old
grandmother would be given the same level of airport security scrutiny
as that of a 23 year old middle eastern with a freshly shaven beard. But
to draw any distinction is profiling (of course, to not draw any
distinction is not non-profiling...its just stupid). So, this whole
idea of what profiling is and where it is too much is a tricky thing.
When does a little profiling become too much. It's not easy to get a
firm footing on the slippery slope of profiling...even with a wide
stance.
Chuck
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
michael.phil@ca.rr.com
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 3:59 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: fun last Saturday
I agree. When we allow casual intrusion on any member of our society, we
are allowing that intrusion on us all.
---- Bob Collins <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net> wrote:
> --> <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
>
> [quote="jpl(at)showpage.org"]I
> There's a big difference between 10 minutes to verify some
> information vs. several hours.[quote]
>
> Is there? You're a black person walking down a predominantly white
> neighborhood. Some old bat who's afraid of black people calls the cops
> and says "there's a black person in my neighborhood and I think he's
> going to rob people."
>
> So the cops pull up to the black person and say, "what are you doing
> here?" And then they ask him to prove that he's not there to rob
anyone.
>
> Now, I understand that a lot of folks probably don't see where this
> would be a problem. Which is itself a problem far greater than the
> incident itself.
>
> --------
> Bob Collins
> St. Paul, Minn.
> RV Builder's Hotline (free!)
> http://rvhotline.expercraft.com
>
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>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=131875#131875
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| Subject: | Re: fun last Saturday |
jhstarn(at)verizon.net wrote:
> activities out of the "ordinary". Yep
What in your opinion was out of the ordinary in the situation as described that
would lead a prudent person to assume an intent to commit a crime?
Did you read the New York Times yesterday. It was about all the lawsuits that followed
the cops rounding up people during the '04 Republican convention. In one
case, a guy had just got off a bus from the airport to meet someone at the
5th Ave. library. He tried to cross 42nd street but the cops said "no, you can't
cross here...so he tried to cross to the west...no go. South..no go.
It turned out the cops were slowly moving that orange netting behind everyone until
everyone was penned in. Then the lead cop in charge told everyone to sit
down. They were all arrested.
Anyway, a few hours later the guy who was just off the bus reads the arrest report
and learns that he was arrested for "sitting down on 42nd Street blocking
traffic."
Do they teach that sort of stuff at the academy?
--------
Bob Collins
St. Paul, Minn.
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| Subject: | Re: fun last Saturday |
I would think that cars that have made a dozen trips back & forth in front as a
slower speed than the "ordinary" traffic would have been stopped. Boats without
fishing poles anchored at the rivers edge would also be out of the ordinary.
Flying by and circling overhead are different things. So is being on the road
vs driving around & around in the parking lot. Out of the "ordinary" is the
key here. KABONG Do Not Archive
>From: Scott <acepilot@bloomer.net>
>Date: 2007/08/30 Thu PM 01:22:07 CDT
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: fun last Saturday
>
>However, how many cars get stopped after just driving by the plant on
>the road out front? Boats sailing by?
>
>Scott
>http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/
>Gotta Fly or Gonna Die
>Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version)
>
>
>jhstarn@verizon.net wrote:
>
>>
>>OR...could it just be that the citizen alert system is working. Reporting of
anything that looks odd or out of place and expect or DEMAND that it be checked
out. Sounds to me like the "system" worked.
>>No one was arrested, tossed in jail without a hearing or bail nor beaten to a
pulp. Detained, questioned & released, exactly what I would have done and expect
the "Thin Blue Line" to continue to do. The sky isn't falling BUT that "could"
have been a wolf on sheep's clothing. Do Not Archive. KABONG
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| Subject: | Re: fun last Saturday |
jpl(at)showpage.org wrote:
>
> I wasn't offended. I'd rather have the police check who the strange
> guy is than for the strange guy to be some sort of neighborhood stalker.
>
I don't have a problem with that. I don't have a problem identifying myself to
authorities. I *do* have a problem, however, if I'm detained for not proving to
someone that I'm NOT a stalker.
Most of the time, my experience has been, cops are very courteous and while they
don't volunteer the fact that I have the right not to provide them with the
information they've asked me to voluntarily give to them, they don't pretend that
I'm obligated to either.
I think it's important, frankly, that people understand their rights in the situations
that have been described. Most of the time when we lament we've lost our
rights, it's only because we willingly -- and sometime ignorantly -- gave
them away.
Protecting one's rights while protecting one's safety are not mutually exclusive,
although some people will claim it is.
--------
Bob Collins
St. Paul, Minn.
RV Builder's Hotline (free!)
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| Subject: | Re: fun last Saturday |
cjensen(at)dts9000.com wrote:
> So, this whole
> idea of what profiling is and where it is too much is a tricky thing.
> When does a little profiling become too much. It's not easy to get a
> firm footing on the slippery slope of profiling...even with a wide
> stance.
Personally, many times I think there's some value in "profiling." There is at least
a small case to be made that there's fact behind the profiling. It may be
insufficient fact, but I think there's some fact.
In my state, you can't stop or search a car without a reason to do so. So you
can't stop me to see if I'm driving drunk, for example, unless I'm riding the
white line (although the last time I did get stopped, the cop said I was riding
the white line, but I wasn't. And I was sober. He just knew he had to indicate
some sort of probable cause).
A plane that is flying in a straight line from Point A to Point B is not guilty
of anything unless there was a TFR around the nuclear plant. So when the authorities
ask for the pilot's documents, he was only required to show -- not surrender
-- them to an authorized member of the law enforcement community.
He was not required to prove he was up to no good.
--------
Bob Collins
St. Paul, Minn.
RV Builder's Hotline (free!)
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| Subject: | Re: fun last Saturday |
How 'bout those Red Sox! :-)
Deems
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| Subject: | Re: fun last Saturday |
jpl(at)showpage.org wrote:
> Right over the top, then yeah I think it's reasonable to at
> least see who it was. And that's what they did.
>
If so, then they should make it illegal to fly right over the top.
It's interesting, though, that some lawmakers have just proposed such a rule. http://www.govexec.com/story_page.cfm?articleid=37839&dcn=todaysnews
The response of the NRC?
"These are naturally robust facilities that are meant to withstand many types of
natural disasters," said spokeswoman Holly Harrington. "Studies have shown that
there's a low likelihood that it would penetrate to the extent that it would
be a public safety hazard."
So it's stated by the agency in charge that, basically, a small plane poses no
threat. Further, the FAA guidelines to pilots say only they should not "linger"
around a nuclear power plant, obviously giving blessing to fly around or over
one...on a straight line.
So really there's no reason to disrupt the life of a law abiding person other than
the individual fear of some lady somewhere. That's not good enough.
--------
Bob Collins
St. Paul, Minn.
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| Subject: | Re: fun last Saturday |
jhstarn(at)verizon.net wrote:
> Out of the "ordinary" is the key here.
I still don't understand, then, what was out of the ordinary about this pilot's
actions.
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St. Paul, Minn.
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| Subject: | Re: fun last Saturday |
What happened in New York was completely ridiculous. And now the guy
who made it all happen is running for President. If we want to get
up in arms, 2004 in New York is definitely worth getting up in arms
about.
But in this case, no one was arrested. Someone had his ID checked
because he flew near a sensitive area, possibly right over the top of
someplace we've been politely asked to avoid.
There's a line between reasonable and unreasonable. The mass arrests
in New York City were clearly violations of constitutional rights.
What I don't understand is why nothing came of it. Very clearly,
those arrests were on the wrong side of the line.
But there IS a line. If I'm seen with a crowbar outside a bank at 2
in the morning, I darned well expect the police to stop by and ask me
why I have a crow bar and am hanging around outside the bank in the
middle of the night. In that case, the police are on the right side
of the line.
So, where's the line? I don't think it's clear that the police were
out of line in this case. All comes down to just how closely he came
to the power station and how long they "detained" him.
-J
On Aug 30, 2007, at 3:49 PM, Bob Collins wrote:
> <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
>
>
> jhstarn(at)verizon.net wrote:
>> activities out of the "ordinary". Yep
>
>
> What in your opinion was out of the ordinary in the situation as
> described that would lead a prudent person to assume an intent to
> commit a crime?
>
> Did you read the New York Times yesterday. It was about all the
> lawsuits that followed the cops rounding up people during the '04
> Republican convention. In one case, a guy had just got off a bus
> from the airport to meet someone at the 5th Ave. library. He tried
> to cross 42nd street but the cops said "no, you can't cross
> here...so he tried to cross to the west...no go. South..no go.
>
> It turned out the cops were slowly moving that orange netting
> behind everyone until everyone was penned in. Then the lead cop in
> charge told everyone to sit down. They were all arrested.
>
> Anyway, a few hours later the guy who was just off the bus reads
> the arrest report and learns that he was arrested for "sitting down
> on 42nd Street blocking traffic."
>
> Do they teach that sort of stuff at the academy?
>
> --------
> Bob Collins
> St. Paul, Minn.
> RV Builder's Hotline (free!)
> http://rvhotline.expercraft.com
>
>
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Subject: Re: RV-List: conduit
In a message dated 08/30/2007 10:54:21 AM Central Daylight Time,
wnorth@sdccd.edu writes:
It is a waste of weight
>>>
This has been mentioned several times, so, feeling quite guilty, I went
out
to the shop and carefully measured off 12" of the 1/2 CPVC "counduit" I
used
in my plane, then weighed it on my wifes super-accurate electronic
kitchen
scale. Result: 1.25 oz. Ten feet per wing x2 added 1 lb, 9 oz to my
plane.
For kix&gigglz I grabbed 24 1/2" snap bushings and weighed. Result:
.625
ounces.
I will be ripping the conduit out of my plane this weekend and
installing
the snap bushings...
Or not-
8-)
Mark do not archive
A conduit in not necessary. I prefer, and have used, neoprene grommets
which I like better than snap bushings because of the edge on the id. of
the
snap bushings. If you fear the need for future wires, a monofilament
line
installed initially will aid in pulling the wire. The grommet method
was
used by Meyers Aircraft 50 or so years ago.
Gordon Comfort
N363GC
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| Subject: | Re: fun last Saturday |
Holy crap, my RV list apparently got replaced with some BS politically incorrect
argument list about why the world is going to hell in a hand basket.
Guys, airplane building, remember? If this was the Cozy or Canard lists I would
tell you to stop sniffing the epoxy. Can we move on already? Sheesh
Do not archive this unrelated to airplane building BS.
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| Subject: | Re: fun last Saturday |
Bob Collins wrote:
> <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
>
> [quote="jpl(at)showpage.org"]I There's a big difference between 10
> minutes to verify some information vs. several hours.[quote]
>
> Is there? You're a black person walking down a predominantly white
> neighborhood. Some old bat who's afraid of black people calls the
> cops and says "there's a black person in my neighborhood and I think
> he's going to rob people."
And some folks are wondering why the non-VAF RV forums are dying?.....
Sam Buchanan
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| Subject: | Re: fun last Saturday |
The new RV are just to easy to build !! No need for any help forums anymore
... Just snap them together like giant Airfix kits ...
Not like when I was young .. We had to carve our airplanes out of a solid
tree with nothing but a flint axe and a bit of string ... Not to mention how
we did the radio installation .. It was not even invented !!
:-)
Jan
Trying to build the "original" RV6 ...Started in 87 ... Made form blocks for
the ribs on the tail... made all the empennage spars etc... (everything 2
times ... etc...etc ... Should have had the forum then :-) ... Have a good
Labour day my US friends ...!!
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sam Buchanan
Sent: 30 August 2007 22:26
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: fun last Saturday
Bob Collins wrote:
> <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
>
> [quote="jpl(at)showpage.org"]I There's a big difference between 10
> minutes to verify some information vs. several hours.[quote]
>
> Is there? You're a black person walking down a predominantly white
> neighborhood. Some old bat who's afraid of black people calls the
> cops and says "there's a black person in my neighborhood and I think
> he's going to rob people."
And some folks are wondering why the non-VAF RV forums are dying?.....
Sam Buchanan
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| Subject: | Re: fun last Saturday |
What does the symbol for a Nuke plant look like on a sectional? I don't
know where this particular plant is located, so when I fly my Cessna 140
to the annual convention next month in Benton Harbor, will I
inadvertantly fly over the plant (assuming I don't see the cooling
towers in time to avoid overflight) ??
Scott
http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/
Gotta Fly or Gonna Die
Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version)
Joseph Larson wrote:
>
>
> Furthermore, the O.P. said "if he flew a straight line" he didn't
> come that close to the power station. Okay, but when is the last
> time any of us flew perfectly along our desired flight path. I
> almost never do. I might be as much as 5 miles to one side or the
> other and don't really care that much. It's VFR, it's a nice day,
> and I know where I am and where I'm going -- that's good enough for
> me. Did the O.P. fly right over the top of that nuclear plant? We
> don't know. From his report, he may not even know.
>
> Where's the line? I don't know. I guess it depends on just how
> closely he came to the power plant and how long they detained him.
> And perhaps whether there had been recent intelligence of planned
> attacks on nuclear power plants. 5 miles away isn't worthy of
> notice. Right over the top, then yeah I think it's reasonable to at
> least see who it was. And that's what they did.
>
> -Joe
>
> On Aug 30, 2007, at 2:31 PM, Bob Collins wrote:
>
>>
>> [quote="jpl(at)showpage.org"]I
>> There's a big difference between 10 minutes to verify some
>> information vs. several hours.[quote]
>>
>> Is there? You're a black person walking down a predominantly white
>> neighborhood. Some old bat who's afraid of black people calls the
>> cops and says "there's a black person in my neighborhood and I think
>> he's going to rob people."
>>
>> So the cops pull up to the black person and say, "what are you doing
>> here?" And then they ask him to prove that he's not there to rob
>> anyone.
>>
>> Now, I understand that a lot of folks probably don't see where this
>> would be a problem. Which is itself a problem far greater than the
>> incident itself.
>>
>> --------
>> Bob Collins
>> St. Paul, Minn.
>> RV Builder's Hotline (free!)
>> http://rvhotline.expercraft.com
>>
>
>
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Thanks Gordon -
Dan Checkoway has given a great posting on his website of the advantage
and the clear wear characteristics associated with wire runs. I
regularly ask builders during EAA Tech visits what is called out for the
maximum run distance between support points of cable runs. We often
talk about means to correctly support such runs over distances and in
proximity to moving parts, sharp edges and near hydro-carbon fluid
lines.
I forwarded to Tim and his RV University, a color PowerPoint
presentation on wiring aircraft and pictures of what you might find a
few years down the road with our RV-10s. At the airline, we are now
immersed (Literally) in re-entering fuel tanks to bring them compliant
with the new FAA -SFAR 88 requirements. To say the least, compliance is
a pain in the butt. The MOD is jokingly written poorly and we respond
with the quip that at least it will prevent another US Navy missile from
bringing down another airliner and wasting millions by the FAA to
explain it away.
There are very few locales where an enclosed conduit are justified.
There are many compelling reasons why exposed cable bundles are well
merited. Retrofit is a novel concept during construction and Tim
presented an offer to buy wire spoons from Stein. As builders the
choice is yours.
Several builders know that I stress the phrase "Serviceability" during
my visit, which often is ignored during construction as the "Initial
Manufacturer" and begins in earnest immediately upon attainment of your
coveted DAR authorization for Phase I Fly-off. "Why didn't I think of
that back then?"
One of the few places where it is merited is in areas of crushability to
the bundle from physical entry or near components where shedding heat or
protection from other environmental factors is important. The ability
to view heat build-up, chafe damage, trouble shoot wire run issues and
save weight are all important. Remember that everything adds weight.
Weight increase, brings down VANS beloved horsepower to weight ratio
Performance. And by now we know he hates builders who increase
horsepower (Hot Rodder) while throwing additional weight on the
equation.
Chose wisely.
John Cox - EAA Tech Advisor #5242
Do not Archive but do consider researching the archives on this well
posted issue within the RV 10 University database
________________________________
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gordon or Marge
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 2:16 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: conduit
Subject: Re: RV-List: conduit
In a message dated 08/30/2007 10:54:21 AM Central Daylight Time,
wnorth@sdccd.edu writes:
It is a waste of weight
>>>
This has been mentioned several times, so, feeling quite guilty,
I went out to the shop and carefully measured off 12" of the 1/2 CPVC
"counduit" I used in my plane, then weighed it on my wifes
super-accurate electronic kitchen scale. Result: 1.25 oz. Ten feet per
wing x2 added 1 lb, 9 oz to my plane. For kix&gigglz I grabbed 24 1/2"
snap bushings and weighed. Result: .625 ounces.
I will be ripping the conduit out of my plane this weekend and
installing the snap bushings...
Or not-
8-)
Mark do not archive
A conduit in not necessary. I prefer, and have used, neoprene
grommets which I like better than snap bushings because of the edge on
the id. of the snap bushings. If you fear the need for future wires, a
monofilament line installed initially will aid in pulling the wire. The
grommet method was used by Meyers Aircraft 50 or so years ago.
Gordon Comfort
N363GC
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| Subject: | Re: fun last Saturday |
Knew it was only a matter of time before the list police showed up.
But speaking of infringement of rights :-)
do not archive
On Aug 30, 2007, at 4:26 PM, Sam Buchanan wrote:
>
> Bob Collins wrote:
>> <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
>> [quote="jpl(at)showpage.org"]I There's a big difference between 10
>> minutes to verify some information vs. several hours.[quote]
>> Is there? You're a black person walking down a predominantly white
>> neighborhood. Some old bat who's afraid of black people calls the
>> cops and says "there's a black person in my neighborhood and I think
>> he's going to rob people."
>
>
> And some folks are wondering why the non-VAF RV forums are dying?.....
>
> Sam Buchanan
>
>
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| Subject: | RV8 video Great Britain |
Hi All,
If you are tired of the old subject :) Enjoy this great, short video from
Steve Morris in Great Britain.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bERemInAi8Q
Dale
RV6a
912 TT Hartzell, Lyc 360 A1A
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: fun last Saturday |
OK, I'll bite. It takes a car 12 trips past the plant to be
"suspicious" and ONE flight of an aircraft overhead. Why do you say the
one overflight is different? If the poster was flying VFR, chances are
he wasn't flying VOR to VOR, for example...so there wouldn't necessarily
be a "highway in the sky" to follow. I'll bet there is a flight path
between some two airports that might put that path over or near to the
plant.
Boats without fishing poles anchored out back. Hmmm, what's up with
that. Maybe they've stopped for lunch?
I think the point is that since an airplane was used in the attacks of
9/11, all planes must be bad. One truck blew up the Federal Building in
OKC and I don't recall seeing a ban on cars past the building now.
What's up with THAT?
How about the boat used against the USS Cole? Are boats outlawed from
ports now?
Scott
http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/
Gotta Fly or Gonna Die
Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version)
jhstarn@verizon.net wrote:
>
>I would think that cars that have made a dozen trips back & forth in front as
a slower speed than the "ordinary" traffic would have been stopped. Boats without
fishing poles anchored at the rivers edge would also be out of the ordinary.
Flying by and circling overhead are different things. So is being on the road
vs driving around & around in the parking lot. Out of the "ordinary" is the
key here. KABONG Do Not Archive
>
>
>
>
>>From: Scott <acepilot@bloomer.net>
>>Date: 2007/08/30 Thu PM 01:22:07 CDT
>>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: RV-List: fun last Saturday
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>
>>However, how many cars get stopped after just driving by the plant on
>>the road out front? Boats sailing by?
>>
>>Scott
>>http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/
>>Gotta Fly or Gonna Die
>>Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version)
>>
>>
>>
>>jhstarn@verizon.net wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>OR...could it just be that the citizen alert system is working. Reporting of
anything that looks odd or out of place and expect or DEMAND that it be checked
out. Sounds to me like the "system" worked.
>>>No one was arrested, tossed in jail without a hearing or bail nor beaten to
a pulp. Detained, questioned & released, exactly what I would have done and expect
the "Thin Blue Line" to continue to do. The sky isn't falling BUT that "could"
have been a wolf on sheep's clothing. Do Not Archive. KABONG
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: fun last Saturday |
Tracy Crook wrote:
> Amen Bob.
> Whether by design or just the way politics works, people who are out of
> the "mainstream" are going to get their liberties taken away in a
> society where individual rights are not valued. We tend to notice the
> loss of this particular liberty because flying puts us out of the
> mainstream but we totally ignore the injustice in areas where we /are/
> mainstream.
>
> Wrong forum to elaborate on this but those who tend to be out of the
> mainstream in a lot of areas are in for some bad times. The ones who
> conform are going to find themselves in an uncomfortable shrinking box
> but they figure that is a reasonable price to pay for security.
>
> Getting rather cynical as I age, so I say a pox on all of us. We always
> get the government we deserve. Or as someone once said, "People should
> get what they want, and I want them to get it good and hard."
>
> Tracy Crook (venting mode)
> Do Not Archive
I know what you mean, but I don't intend to get the government others
deserve. I'm all dressed up & heading out the door to a 'town meeting'
to oppose the location of the 'Plum Island' replacement in my community.
The next project is to stop the Madison Co, MS version of the Alaskan
Bridge to Nowhere. (Ambitious, aren't I?)
I've discovered that usually, bad things happen in government because
we naively believe government is benevolent and we are indifferent to
what it does. The few who are willing to act, get what they want.
Charlie
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| Subject: | Re: fun last Saturday |
Being employed at nuclear plant, I can tell you that a straight fly over of
our plant at a reasonable altitude does not create any great cause for
concern. However, a low altitude fly over or a plane circling the plant does
raise the alarm in the security force. This will cause a call to the local
authorities, the FBI, and in our case, Cairns Approach out of Fort Rucker,
Alabama. I try to tell them it is not illegal to fly over the plant but
they have their orders from above. Our plant does not even show up on the
sectional so I am not sure how one would expect a transient to know it is
even there.
As far as the monkey under the hat, we would catch that. When entering the
protected area of the plant you must pass through an explosives detector and
a metal detector. The metal detector does not work well at head level (a
generic deficiency of metal detectors) so you must remove all head gear for
a visual inspection. Also, all hand carried items are X-rayed. The security
force is highly trained and professional. They all wear body armour and
carry back packs with about 40 lbs of gear. Each guard carries a fully
loaded AR-15 and are on constant patrol. I would not try to penetrate the
defenses. I think you would get shot.
Jerry Isler
RV-4 N455J (73 hrs)
Licensed Senior Reactor Operator
Farley Nuclear Plant
---- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck Jensen" <cjensen@dts9000.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 3:02 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: fun last Saturday
Perhaps next time I will give them the ultimate test and try to smuggle in
a monkey under my hat.
Chuck
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| Subject: | Questions on O-320-D2A Sump Drains and a Slick Mag |
Hi,
My O-320 D2A has 3 sump drain plugs. Should I use any
particular plug to drain the oil? Are the three drain plugs
for the convenience of various aircraft types?
One more question:
I have a P-Mag and a Slick impulse mag on the O-320. I
can see where the P-lead goes on the Slick mag. I'm using a
toggle switch to control the magneto and am using the shield at
the switch end to complete the circuit. Is this the way to wire
it or will grounding both ends of the shield generate noise?
(My Rotax past isn't helpful here!)
Thanks guys,
Joe Connell
RV-9A N95JJ
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| Subject: | Re: fun last Saturday |
Hmmm, an airport where ever we want one, expand the runways as needed,
we love that, but don't allow a nuke plant anywhere in my state. :-(
No issue opposing waste and pork, but we DO need all kinds of
infrastructure improvements for all utilities. NIMBY and BANANA groups
help achieve the gross overrun of costs and schedules.
(for those that don't know...Not In My Back Yard, and Build Absolutely
Nothing Anywhere for the acronyms)
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Charlie England wrote:
> I know what you mean, but I don't intend to get the government others
> deserve. I'm all dressed up & heading out the door to a 'town meeting'
> to oppose the location of the 'Plum Island' replacement in my community.
>
> The next project is to stop the Madison Co, MS version of the Alaskan
> Bridge to Nowhere. (Ambitious, aren't I?)
>
> I've discovered that usually, bad things happen in government because
> we naively believe government is benevolent and we are indifferent to
> what it does. The few who are willing to act, get what they want.
>
> Charlie
>
> _-
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