---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 08/30/07: 43 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:01 AM - Re: fun last Saturday (Dale Ensing) 2. 04:58 AM - Re: fun last Saturday (N395V) 3. 05:46 AM - avionics for sale (Bill VonDane) 4. 05:49 AM - Re: fun last Saturday (Chuck Jensen) 5. 08:20 AM - Precision Airmotive Eagle EMS (Valovich, Paul) 6. 08:51 AM - conduit (Wheeler North) 7. 09:03 AM - Re: conduit (Tim Bryan) 8. 10:30 AM - Re: Re: fun last Saturday () 9. 10:31 AM - Re: Precision Airmotive Eagle EMS (Ron Lee) 10. 10:33 AM - Re: Precision Airmotive Eagle EMS (Ron Lee) 11. 10:34 AM - COPPERSTATE Fly-in Oct 25-28 (Help Wanted) (JAMES MCCHESNEY) 12. 10:49 AM - Re: fun last Saturday (Bob Collins) 13. 11:09 AM - Re: Precision Airmotive Eagle EMS (Bret Smith) 14. 11:22 AM - Re: fun last Saturday (Scott) 15. 12:03 PM - Re: fun last Saturday (Chuck Jensen) 16. 12:13 PM - Re: Re: fun last Saturday (Joseph Larson) 17. 12:33 PM - Re: fun last Saturday (Bob Collins) 18. 12:46 PM - Re: conduit (Fiveonepw@aol.com) 19. 12:59 PM - Re: Re: fun last Saturday () 20. 01:37 PM - Re: Re: fun last Saturday () 21. 01:37 PM - Re: Re: fun last Saturday (Joseph Larson) 22. 01:49 PM - Re: Re: fun last Saturday (Chuck Jensen) 23. 01:49 PM - Re: fun last Saturday (Bob Collins) 24. 01:55 PM - Re: Re: fun last Saturday () 25. 01:55 PM - Re: fun last Saturday (Bob Collins) 26. 02:00 PM - Re: fun last Saturday (Bob Collins) 27. 02:05 PM - Re: fun last Saturday (Deems Davis) 28. 02:06 PM - Re: fun last Saturday (Bob Collins) 29. 02:09 PM - Re: fun last Saturday (Bob Collins) 30. 02:17 PM - Re: Re: fun last Saturday (Joseph Larson) 31. 02:18 PM - Re: conduit (Gordon or Marge) 32. 02:20 PM - Re: Re: fun last Saturday (RV Builder (Michael Sausen)) 33. 02:26 PM - Re: Re: fun last Saturday (Sam Buchanan) 34. 02:43 PM - Re: Re: fun last Saturday (jan) 35. 02:47 PM - Re: Re: fun last Saturday (Scott) 36. 02:59 PM - Re: conduit (John W. Cox) 37. 03:07 PM - Re: Re: fun last Saturday (Joseph Larson) 38. 03:20 PM - RV8 video Great Britain (Dale Walter) 39. 03:24 PM - Re: fun last Saturday (Scott) 40. 03:38 PM - Re: Re: fun last Saturday (Charlie England) 41. 07:37 PM - Re: fun last Saturday (Jerry Isler) 42. 08:26 PM - Questions on O-320-D2A Sump Drains and a Slick Mag (Joe & Jan Connell) 43. 09:31 PM - Re: Re: fun last Saturday (Kelly McMullen) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:01:59 AM PST US From: "Dale Ensing" Subject: Re: RV-List: fun last Saturday Vince, Where is the Palisades nuclear power plant located? I am planning on flying the scenic route up the shore line from Holland to Charlevoix when I am Michigan late September. I totally agree with you but think I'll avoid the 'bird watcher'. Dale Ensing do not archive Homeland Security had received a report of aircraft flying near the Palisades nuclear power plant, apparently from an observer at the plant whose job is to watch for aircraft. The police officers asked for our identification and recorded the registration numbers on our aircraft. The police officers had no real indication if they were looking for our aircraft or some other aircraft(s) who may have been the real target. They relayed this information to Homeland Security, who gave the officers physical descriptions of me and my friend to confirm our identities. The officers departed after confirming our identities. Vince Frazier 3965 Caborn Road Mount Vernon, IN 47620 812-464-1839 daytime ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:58:08 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: Re: fun last Saturday From: "N395V" > with a "wide stance". [Laughing] do not archive -------- Milt 2003 F1 Rocket 2006 Radial Rocket Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=131761#131761 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:46:17 AM PST US From: Bill VonDane Subject: RV-List: avionics for sale I have a buddy that has some stuff for sale... Please contact him directly... - King KX165 Nav/Comm (this is the 28V unit), spruce has for $3695, will sell for $2000 - Garmin 106 Remote Head (not a 106a), spruce has for $1500, will sell for $950 Contact Burrall Sanders: yankeeair@earthlink.net ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:49:23 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: fun last Saturday From: "Chuck Jensen" Palisades NPP is right on the shores of Lake Michigan just outside of South Haven, MI, which is about 35 miles N. of the Michigan/Indiana line. DC Cook NPP is 25 miles S of Palisades, also on the shore line. If you're going to loiter in the area, make sure your preflight includes brushing up on the intercept signals---just kidding. Vince's experience was the first that I've ever heard of at a NPP. They are required to exercise vigilance, but small planes are not perceived to be a particular threat by the NRC or plant security. Piperphobia is mostly limited to CC (clueless congressmen). This might have been an exception but perhaps there was some fool "buzzing" the plant and security got tired of it and Vince ended up on the receiving end of security's "we'll teach him a lesson." Then again, it might have been one of those "concerned citizens" that decided they were going to protect the world and report an airplane in the sky--it happens. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dale Ensing Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 7:00 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: fun last Saturday Vince, Where is the Palisades nuclear power plant located? I am planning on flying the scenic route up the shore line from Holland to Charlevoix when I am Michigan late September. I totally agree with you but think I'll avoid the 'bird watcher'. Dale Ensing do not archive Homeland Security had received a report of aircraft flying near the Palisades nuclear power plant, apparently from an observer at the plant whose job is to watch for aircraft. The police officers asked for our identification and recorded the registration numbers on our aircraft. The police officers had no real indication if they were looking for our aircraft or some other aircraft(s) who may have been the real target. They relayed this information to Homeland Security, who gave the officers physical descriptions of me and my friend to confirm our identities. The officers departed after confirming our identities. Vince Frazier 3965 Caborn Road Mount Vernon, IN 47620 812-464-1839 daytime ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:20:55 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: Precision Airmotive Eagle EMS From: "Valovich, Paul" Indecision is once again the key to flexibility! After several job-related delays, I'm REALLY at the engine-ordering stage of my -8A project. I've decided on an Aerosport 180 hp fuel injected engine and initially thought dual Lightspeed ignition was the way to go. However, I've now heard of the Precision Airmotive Eagle EMS and am somewhat intrigued. Anyone have any experience - or opinions? Paul Valovich Ridgecrest, CA N192NM Reserved ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:51:36 AM PST US From: "Wheeler North" Subject: RV-List: conduit To conduit or not to conduit, that is the question. It is a waste of weight, but there are places where it is wise. The bay spans in the -6 wing are not reachable by the design of arms which remain attached to my body so there is conduit there, otherwise I avoid it. Wrap probably doesn't reduce heat all that much over a loose thin conduit as it really holds the wires tight together. Rib stitching line or tie wraps with a little looseness between ties probably do best for temperature. I found these micro thin plastic sheathes that cover shower curtain rods at Aero Depot for those few spans that nothing but a mini-monkey can get to. They are split and can be reduced to fit right into a snap bushing very easily. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:03:38 AM PST US From: "Tim Bryan" Subject: RE: RV-List: conduit I had a Cessna 170B that I added a heated pitot in place of the stock one. I couldn't really get my arms in there either, but it was sure easy to add all the wire I needed. There was no conduit, but there was existing wire. I just used an existing wire to pull in a string, then added a new wire to it and pulled it all back in with the string. I personally did not put any conduit in my -6 as I see no reason for it. However, if you are so inclined to do this, then there is absolutely nothing wrong with it. Pick whatever you like and put it in. It is experimental and we definitely get to choose what part of experimental we want to exercise. This is especially true on something as non structural as a conduit in the wing. Tim Do Not Archive > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list- > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wheeler North > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 10:49 AM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: conduit > > > To conduit or not to conduit, that is the question. > > It is a waste of weight, but there are places where it is wise. > > The bay spans in the -6 wing are not reachable by the design of arms which > remain attached to my body so there is conduit there, otherwise I avoid > it. > > Wrap probably doesn't reduce heat all that much over a loose thin conduit > as > it really holds the wires tight together. > > Rib stitching line or tie wraps with a little looseness between ties > probably do best for temperature. > > I found these micro thin plastic sheathes that cover shower curtain rods > at > Aero Depot for those few spans that nothing but a mini-monkey can get to. > They are split and can be reduced to fit right into a snap bushing very > easily. > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:30:27 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: RE: RV-List: fun last Saturday OR...could it just be that the citizen alert system is working. Reporting of anything that looks odd or out of place and expect or DEMAND that it be checked out. Sounds to me like the "system" worked. No one was arrested, tossed in jail without a hearing or bail nor beaten to a pulp. Detained, questioned & released, exactly what I would have done and expect the "Thin Blue Line" to continue to do. The sky isn't falling BUT that "could" have been a wolf on sheep's clothing. Do Not Archive. KABONG >From: Chuck Jensen >Date: 2007/08/30 Thu AM 07:48:01 CDT >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: RV-List: fun last Saturday >MessagePalisades NPP is right on the shores of Lake Michigan just outside of South Haven, MI, which is about 35 miles N. of the Michigan/Indiana line. DC Cook NPP is 25 miles S of Palisades, also on the shore line. If you're going to loiter in the area, make sure your preflight includes brushing up on the intercept signals---just kidding. Vince's experience was the first that I've ever heard of at a NPP. They are required to exercise vigilance, but small planes are not perceived to be a particular threat by the NRC or plant security. Piperphobia is mostly limited to CC (clueless congressmen). This might have been an exception but perhaps there was some fool "buzzing" the plant and security got tired of it and Vince ended up on the receiving end of security's "we'll teach him a lesson." Then again, it might have been one of those "concerned citizens" that decided they were going to protect the world and report an airplane in the sky--it happens. >Chuck > > >-----Original Message----- >From:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dale Ensing >Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 7:00 AM >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: RV-List: fun last Saturday > >Vince,Where is the Palisades nuclear power plant located? I am planning on flying the scenic route up the shore line from Holland to Charlevoix when I am Michigan late September. I totally agree with you but think I'll avoid the 'bird watcher'.Dale Ensingdo not archive > > >Homeland Security had received a report of aircraft flying near the Palisades nuclear power plant, apparently from an observer at the plant whose job is to watch for aircraft. The police officers asked for our identification and recorded the registration numbers on our aircraft. The police officers had no real indication if they were looking for our aircraft or some other aircraft(s) who may have been the real target. They relayed this information to Homeland Security, who gave the officers physical descriptions of me and my friend to confirm our identities. The officers departed after confirming our identities. > >Vince Frazier >3965 Caborn Road >Mount Vernon, IN 47620 >812-464-1839 daytime ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:31:14 AM PST US From: "Ron Lee" Subject: Re: RV-List: Precision Airmotive Eagle EMS While it sounds interesting I would like to see reasonable field use reports. I am not one to be an early adopter of new aviation items like this. Nor am I a fan of FADEC like systems. I have seen one and it struck me as too complex, expensive, possible heavy and it "may" have been at fault in the forced landing of a 7A that was essentially destroyed. I like to lean my mixture after start up to taxi and after landing to minimize plug fouling. That apparently is not possible with this system so I would guess (not verified) that foiled plugs may be more common than with my carbureted, manually leaned system. I definitely see no reason to change from what I have. With a new purchase it may make sense for some but with my perhaps close-minded view, I would stick with your original plan. A mag and one Lightspeed do provide different ignition failure modes. Ron Lee ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:33:37 AM PST US From: "Ron Lee" Subject: Re: RV-List: Precision Airmotive Eagle EMS I just reread your ignition choice and see that you are planning DUAL Lightspeeds versus my one (plus a mag). Lightspeed is the only system that I would do that with. Ron Lee ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:34:13 AM PST US From: "JAMES MCCHESNEY" Subject: RV-List: COPPERSTATE Fly-in Oct 25-28 (Help Wanted) COPPERSTATE Regional EAA Fly-In will be held October 25-28 at the Casa Grande, Arizona Municipal Airport (CGZ). See www.copperstate.org for details. My name is Jim McChesney and I am the director of Aircraft Parking for the COPPERSTATE Fly-In. Every fly-in that happens, anywhere, is dependent on volunteers. It is a fact that fly-in's simply would not exist if people didn't give away their time to make it happen. COPPERSTATE is obviously no different and we truly appreciate all the volunteers out there! I perpetually have 2 specific volunteer opportunities in the aircraft parking area that I am asking for help with. #1- As aircraft exit the runway they are directed to ShowPlane Parking (Experimental, Warbirds, Antiques, etc), Aircraft Camping and General Aircraft Parking (most Cessnas, Pipers etc). We need some folks who can ID aircraft well enough to tell Showplanes from general transient aircraft and then direct the pilots, via radio (a simple "turn left (or right) at the taxiway") to the general area of the ramp where they are met by parking marshals and shown to their tie down spot. Most people seem to shy away from this job but it's really not hard. You don't have to know every airplane that taxis past and nobody's feelings get hurt if a Cessna ends up with the homebuilts. So, if this interests you at all please email me off list at rvtach@msn.com. We really need some help on this one. #2- The most common request I hear from pilots exiting the runway at our event is "I'd like to park in the (insert aircraft type here. RV, Luscombe, warbird, antique.) area." Unfortunately we have to tell them that we don't have any type areas because we don't have the manpower to staff them. So, if you have an interest in a specific aircraft (like, I don't know, maybe RVs...) and would like to host an area to showcase your favorite aircraft please email me off list at rvtach@msn.com. This year I have a group of CAP Cadets who are available to help out in these areas if you need some extra help. You take charge of the area and I'll send you airplanes to park. There are some benefits to volunteering like this and the details can be found at copperstate.org. Basically you get free admission to the fly in, free meals (3/day), free camping (if you're so inclined). Besides all that you get to be a part of something that's really a lot of fun! Hope to see you at COPPERSTATE! ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:49:22 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: Re: fun last Saturday From: "Bob Collins" jhstarn(at)verizon.net wrote: > Sounds to me like the "system" worked. > No one was arrested, tossed in jail without a hearing or bail nor beaten to a pulp. Detained, questioned & released, exactly what I would have done and expect the "Thin Blue Line" to continue to do. Personally, I'm kind of a fan of the existence of "probable cause" before being detained. -------- Bob Collins St. Paul, Minn. RV Builder's Hotline (free!) http://rvhotline.expercraft.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=131840#131840 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:09:55 AM PST US From: "Bret Smith" Subject: Re: RV-List: Precision Airmotive Eagle EMS I talked with them this year at SnF and was also intrigued. I really don't know where I would install the large CPU module, though. I also understand that it is still in development with only one model actually being tested..i.e. there is NO history yet on how well it performs. Gonna watch closely... Bret Smith RV-9A "Fuselage" Blue Ridge, GA www.FlightInnovations.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Valovich, Paul To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 11:19 AM Subject: RV-List: Precision Airmotive Eagle EMS Indecision is once again the key to flexibility! After several job-related delays, I'm REALLY at the engine-ordering stage of my -8A project. I've decided on an Aerosport 180 hp fuel injected engine and initially thought dual Lightspeed ignition was the way to go. However, I've now heard of the Precision Airmotive Eagle EMS and am somewhat intrigued. Anyone have any experience - or opinions? Paul Valovich Ridgecrest, CA N192NM Reserved ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:22:40 AM PST US From: Scott Subject: Re: RV-List: fun last Saturday However, how many cars get stopped after just driving by the plant on the road out front? Boats sailing by? Scott http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/ Gotta Fly or Gonna Die Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version) jhstarn@verizon.net wrote: > >OR...could it just be that the citizen alert system is working. Reporting of anything that looks odd or out of place and expect or DEMAND that it be checked out. Sounds to me like the "system" worked. >No one was arrested, tossed in jail without a hearing or bail nor beaten to a pulp. Detained, questioned & released, exactly what I would have done and expect the "Thin Blue Line" to continue to do. The sky isn't falling BUT that "could" have been a wolf on sheep's clothing. Do Not Archive. KABONG > > > > >>From: Chuck Jensen >>Date: 2007/08/30 Thu AM 07:48:01 CDT >>To: rv-list@matronics.com >>Subject: RE: RV-List: fun last Saturday >> >> > > > >>MessagePalisades NPP is right on the shores of Lake Michigan just outside of South Haven, MI, which is about 35 miles N. of the Michigan/Indiana line. DC Cook NPP is 25 miles S of Palisades, also on the shore line. If you're going to loiter in the area, make sure your preflight includes brushing up on the intercept signals---just kidding. Vince's experience was the first that I've ever heard of at a NPP. They are required to exercise vigilance, but small planes are not perceived to be a particular threat by the NRC or plant security. Piperphobia is mostly limited to CC (clueless congressmen). This might have been an exception but perhaps there was some fool "buzzing" the plant and security got tired of it and Vince ended up on the receiving end of security's "we'll teach him a lesson." Then again, it might have been one of those "concerned citizens" that decided they were going to protect the world and report an airplane in the sky--it happen! >> >> > s. > > >>Chuck >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dale Ensing >>Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 7:00 AM >>To: rv-list@matronics.com >>Subject: Re: RV-List: fun last Saturday >> >>Vince,Where is the Palisades nuclear power plant located? I am planning on flying the scenic route up the shore line from Holland to Charlevoix when I am Michigan late September. I totally agree with you but think I'll avoid the 'bird watcher'.Dale Ensingdo not archive >> >> >>Homeland Security had received a report of aircraft flying near the Palisades nuclear power plant, apparently from an observer at the plant whose job is to watch for aircraft. The police officers asked for our identification and recorded the registration numbers on our aircraft. The police officers had no real indication if they were looking for our aircraft or some other aircraft(s) who may have been the real target. They relayed this information to Homeland Security, who gave the officers physical descriptions of me and my friend to confirm our identities. The officers departed after confirming our identities. >> >>Vince Frazier >>3965 Caborn Road >>Mount Vernon, IN 47620 >>812-464-1839 daytime >> >> > > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:03:49 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: fun last Saturday From: "Chuck Jensen" Scott, The answer to your questions are None and None. However, they do have an exclusion zone for boats that if you trespass, you will shortly have company. Likewise, if you try to bring a car or truck on site, you will have to pass through security, have a reason and be subject to a search. Not so with a plane. We can arrive unannounced with no chance to question other than following to the airport of landing. Unlike security that we see at airports, security details for nuclear power plants actually undergo training and drills and are reasonably professional...again in contrast to some of the airport security with which we are too familiar. But of course, I've never really challenged security at a nuclear plant. Perhaps next time I will give them the ultimate test and try to smuggle in a monkey under my hat. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 2:22 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: fun last Saturday However, how many cars get stopped after just driving by the plant on the road out front? Boats sailing by? Scott http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/ Gotta Fly or Gonna Die Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version) jhstarn@verizon.net wrote: > >OR...could it just be that the citizen alert system is working. Reporting of anything that looks odd or out of place and expect or DEMAND that it be checked out. Sounds to me like the "system" worked. >No one was arrested, tossed in jail without a hearing or bail nor beaten to a pulp. Detained, questioned & released, exactly what I would have done and expect the "Thin Blue Line" to continue to do. The sky isn't falling BUT that "could" have been a wolf on sheep's clothing. Do Not Archive. KABONG > > > > >>From: Chuck Jensen >>Date: 2007/08/30 Thu AM 07:48:01 CDT >>To: rv-list@matronics.com >>Subject: RE: RV-List: fun last Saturday >> >> > > > >>MessagePalisades NPP is right on the shores of Lake Michigan just >>outside of South Haven, MI, which is about 35 miles N. of the Michigan/Indiana line. DC Cook NPP is 25 miles S of Palisades, also on the shore line. If you're going to loiter in the area, make sure your preflight includes brushing up on the intercept signals---just kidding. Vince's experience was the first that I've ever heard of at a NPP. They are required to exercise vigilance, but small planes are not perceived to be a particular threat by the NRC or plant security. Piperphobia is mostly limited to CC (clueless congressmen). This might have been an exception but perhaps there was some fool "buzzing" the plant and security got tired of it and Vince ended up on the receiving end of security's "we'll teach him a lesson." Then again, it might have been one of those "concerned citizens" that decided they were going to protect the world and report an airplane in the sky--it happen! >> >> > s. > > >>Chuck >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dale Ensing >>Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 7:00 AM >>To: rv-list@matronics.com >>Subject: Re: RV-List: fun last Saturday >> >>Vince,Where is the Palisades nuclear power plant located? I am planning on flying the scenic route up the shore line from Holland to Charlevoix when I am Michigan late September. I totally agree with you but think I'll avoid the 'bird watcher'.Dale Ensingdo not archive >> >> >>Homeland Security had received a report of aircraft flying near the Palisades nuclear power plant, apparently from an observer at the plant whose job is to watch for aircraft. The police officers asked for our identification and recorded the registration numbers on our aircraft. The police officers had no real indication if they were looking for our aircraft or some other aircraft(s) who may have been the real target. They relayed this information to Homeland Security, who gave the officers physical descriptions of me and my friend to confirm our identities. The officers departed after confirming our identities. >> >>Vince Frazier >>3965 Caborn Road >>Mount Vernon, IN 47620 >>812-464-1839 daytime >> >> > > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:13:21 PM PST US From: Joseph Larson Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: fun last Saturday I didn't notice a time duration on the length of the "detainment". There's a big difference between 10 minutes to verify some information vs. several hours. But still sounds like someone was being an idiot. In this particular case, I don't blame the police who did the investigation, but the person who did the original report. -Joe On Aug 30, 2007, at 12:48 PM, Bob Collins wrote: > > > > jhstarn(at)verizon.net wrote: >> Sounds to me like the "system" worked. >> No one was arrested, tossed in jail without a hearing or bail nor >> beaten to a pulp. Detained, questioned & released, exactly what I >> would have done and expect the "Thin Blue Line" to continue to do. > > > Personally, I'm kind of a fan of the existence of "probable cause" > before being detained. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:33:32 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: Re: fun last Saturday From: "Bob Collins" [quote="jpl(at)showpage.org"]I There's a big difference between 10 minutes to verify some information vs. several hours.[quote] Is there? You're a black person walking down a predominantly white neighborhood. Some old bat who's afraid of black people calls the cops and says "there's a black person in my neighborhood and I think he's going to rob people." So the cops pull up to the black person and say, "what are you doing here?" And then they ask him to prove that he's not there to rob anyone. Now, I understand that a lot of folks probably don't see where this would be a problem. Which is itself a problem far greater than the incident itself. -------- Bob Collins St. Paul, Minn. RV Builder's Hotline (free!) http://rvhotline.expercraft.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=131875#131875 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:46:02 PM PST US From: Fiveonepw@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: conduit In a message dated 08/30/2007 10:54:21 AM Central Daylight Time, wnorth@sdccd.edu writes: It is a waste of weight >>> This has been mentioned several times, so, feeling quite guilty, I went out to the shop and carefully measured off 12" of the 1/2 CPVC "counduit" I used in my plane, then weighed it on my wifes super-accurate electronic kitchen scale. Result: 1.25 oz. Ten feet per wing x2 added 1 lb, 9 oz to my plane. For kix&gigglz I grabbed 24 1/2" snap bushings and weighed. Result: .625 ounces. I will be ripping the conduit out of my plane this weekend and installing the snap bushings... Or not- 8-) Mark do not archive http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 12:59:57 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: fun last Saturday I agree. When we allow casual intrusion on any member of our society, we are allowing that intrusion on us all. ---- Bob Collins wrote: > > [quote="jpl(at)showpage.org"]I > There's a big difference between 10 minutes to verify some > information vs. several hours.[quote] > > Is there? You're a black person walking down a predominantly white neighborhood. Some old bat who's afraid of black people calls the cops and says "there's a black person in my neighborhood and I think he's going to rob people." > > So the cops pull up to the black person and say, "what are you doing here?" And then they ask him to prove that he's not there to rob anyone. > > Now, I understand that a lot of folks probably don't see where this would be a problem. Which is itself a problem far greater than the incident itself. > > -------- > Bob Collins > St. Paul, Minn. > RV Builder's Hotline (free!) > http://rvhotline.expercraft.com > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=131875#131875 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 01:37:15 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: fun last Saturday You mean: "Such a state of facts that would lead a reasonable and prudent man to consentually entertain the belief that the person in question might have commited an involved offence". Sorry but the Police Academy was 40 years ago so it might have changed. (I'm sure the word "man" has been changed) Power plant area, airplanes over head, of unknown intent (photograph, testing the waters, casing the joint), activities out of the "ordinary". Yep that's probable cause to do SOMETHING, like talk to those involved. Do Not Archive KABONG >From: Bob Collins >Date: 2007/08/30 Thu PM 12:48:44 CDT >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: RV-List: Re: fun last Saturday > > >jhstarn(at)verizon.net wrote: >> Sounds to me like the "system" worked. >> No one was arrested, tossed in jail without a hearing or bail nor beaten to a pulp. Detained, questioned & released, exactly what I would have done and expect the "Thin Blue Line" to continue to do. > > >Personally, I'm kind of a fan of the existence of "probable cause" before being detained. > >-------- >Bob Collins >St. Paul, Minn. >RV Builder's Hotline (free!) >http://rvhotline.expercraft.com > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=131840#131840 > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 01:37:15 PM PST US From: Joseph Larson Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: fun last Saturday Bob, I don't think that's quite a fair comparison, however. Two houses ago for a house showing, I took my dogs in the car and parked in a business parking lot from where I could watch my driveway between a few other houses. I was waiting for the people to leave so I could go home. But a strange car parked in an unexpected location with a strange-looking white guy inside drew the attention of one of my "neighbors", who summoned the police. The police stopped by, I told them the story, they checked my ID and went about their merry way. I wasn't offended. I'd rather have the police check who the strange guy is than for the strange guy to be some sort of neighborhood stalker. If they had asked me to come downtown with them or strip-searched me or something, I would have been upset. But they talked to me for about 5 minutes and left me alone after that. The report that the original poster made said he was "detained", but didn't say how long. If it was a couple of hours, I'd be upset, too. If it was 5 minutes, then I'm reminded of mountains and mole hills. Furthermore, the O.P. said "if he flew a straight line" he didn't come that close to the power station. Okay, but when is the last time any of us flew perfectly along our desired flight path. I almost never do. I might be as much as 5 miles to one side or the other and don't really care that much. It's VFR, it's a nice day, and I know where I am and where I'm going -- that's good enough for me. Did the O.P. fly right over the top of that nuclear plant? We don't know. From his report, he may not even know. Where's the line? I don't know. I guess it depends on just how closely he came to the power plant and how long they detained him. And perhaps whether there had been recent intelligence of planned attacks on nuclear power plants. 5 miles away isn't worthy of notice. Right over the top, then yeah I think it's reasonable to at least see who it was. And that's what they did. -Joe On Aug 30, 2007, at 2:31 PM, Bob Collins wrote: > > > [quote="jpl(at)showpage.org"]I > There's a big difference between 10 minutes to verify some > information vs. several hours.[quote] > > Is there? You're a black person walking down a predominantly white > neighborhood. Some old bat who's afraid of black people calls the > cops and says "there's a black person in my neighborhood and I > think he's going to rob people." > > So the cops pull up to the black person and say, "what are you > doing here?" And then they ask him to prove that he's not there to > rob anyone. > > Now, I understand that a lot of folks probably don't see where this > would be a problem. Which is itself a problem far greater than the > incident itself. > > -------- > Bob Collins > St. Paul, Minn. > RV Builder's Hotline (free!) > http://rvhotline.expercraft.com > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 01:49:56 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: fun last Saturday From: "Chuck Jensen" I'm definitely against profiling, be it racial, ethnic, sexual. But then again, it strikes one as a little absurd that an 85 year old grandmother would be given the same level of airport security scrutiny as that of a 23 year old middle eastern with a freshly shaven beard. But to draw any distinction is profiling (of course, to not draw any distinction is not non-profiling...its just stupid). So, this whole idea of what profiling is and where it is too much is a tricky thing. When does a little profiling become too much. It's not easy to get a firm footing on the slippery slope of profiling...even with a wide stance. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of michael.phil@ca.rr.com Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 3:59 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: fun last Saturday I agree. When we allow casual intrusion on any member of our society, we are allowing that intrusion on us all. ---- Bob Collins wrote: > --> > > [quote="jpl(at)showpage.org"]I > There's a big difference between 10 minutes to verify some > information vs. several hours.[quote] > > Is there? You're a black person walking down a predominantly white > neighborhood. Some old bat who's afraid of black people calls the cops > and says "there's a black person in my neighborhood and I think he's > going to rob people." > > So the cops pull up to the black person and say, "what are you doing > here?" And then they ask him to prove that he's not there to rob anyone. > > Now, I understand that a lot of folks probably don't see where this > would be a problem. Which is itself a problem far greater than the > incident itself. > > -------- > Bob Collins > St. Paul, Minn. > RV Builder's Hotline (free!) > http://rvhotline.expercraft.com > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=131875#131875 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 01:49:57 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: Re: fun last Saturday From: "Bob Collins" jhstarn(at)verizon.net wrote: > activities out of the "ordinary". Yep What in your opinion was out of the ordinary in the situation as described that would lead a prudent person to assume an intent to commit a crime? Did you read the New York Times yesterday. It was about all the lawsuits that followed the cops rounding up people during the '04 Republican convention. In one case, a guy had just got off a bus from the airport to meet someone at the 5th Ave. library. He tried to cross 42nd street but the cops said "no, you can't cross here...so he tried to cross to the west...no go. South..no go. It turned out the cops were slowly moving that orange netting behind everyone until everyone was penned in. Then the lead cop in charge told everyone to sit down. They were all arrested. Anyway, a few hours later the guy who was just off the bus reads the arrest report and learns that he was arrested for "sitting down on 42nd Street blocking traffic." Do they teach that sort of stuff at the academy? -------- Bob Collins St. Paul, Minn. RV Builder's Hotline (free!) http://rvhotline.expercraft.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=131892#131892 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 01:55:41 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Re: RV-List: fun last Saturday I would think that cars that have made a dozen trips back & forth in front as a slower speed than the "ordinary" traffic would have been stopped. Boats without fishing poles anchored at the rivers edge would also be out of the ordinary. Flying by and circling overhead are different things. So is being on the road vs driving around & around in the parking lot. Out of the "ordinary" is the key here. KABONG Do Not Archive >From: Scott >Date: 2007/08/30 Thu PM 01:22:07 CDT >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: RV-List: fun last Saturday > >However, how many cars get stopped after just driving by the plant on >the road out front? Boats sailing by? > >Scott >http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/ >Gotta Fly or Gonna Die >Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version) > > >jhstarn@verizon.net wrote: > >> >>OR...could it just be that the citizen alert system is working. Reporting of anything that looks odd or out of place and expect or DEMAND that it be checked out. Sounds to me like the "system" worked. >>No one was arrested, tossed in jail without a hearing or bail nor beaten to a pulp. Detained, questioned & released, exactly what I would have done and expect the "Thin Blue Line" to continue to do. The sky isn't falling BUT that "could" have been a wolf on sheep's clothing. Do Not Archive. KABONG ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 01:55:41 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: Re: fun last Saturday From: "Bob Collins" jpl(at)showpage.org wrote: > > I wasn't offended. I'd rather have the police check who the strange > guy is than for the strange guy to be some sort of neighborhood stalker. > I don't have a problem with that. I don't have a problem identifying myself to authorities. I *do* have a problem, however, if I'm detained for not proving to someone that I'm NOT a stalker. Most of the time, my experience has been, cops are very courteous and while they don't volunteer the fact that I have the right not to provide them with the information they've asked me to voluntarily give to them, they don't pretend that I'm obligated to either. I think it's important, frankly, that people understand their rights in the situations that have been described. Most of the time when we lament we've lost our rights, it's only because we willingly -- and sometime ignorantly -- gave them away. Protecting one's rights while protecting one's safety are not mutually exclusive, although some people will claim it is. -------- Bob Collins St. Paul, Minn. RV Builder's Hotline (free!) http://rvhotline.expercraft.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=131898#131898 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 02:00:57 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: Re: fun last Saturday From: "Bob Collins" cjensen(at)dts9000.com wrote: > So, this whole > idea of what profiling is and where it is too much is a tricky thing. > When does a little profiling become too much. It's not easy to get a > firm footing on the slippery slope of profiling...even with a wide > stance. Personally, many times I think there's some value in "profiling." There is at least a small case to be made that there's fact behind the profiling. It may be insufficient fact, but I think there's some fact. In my state, you can't stop or search a car without a reason to do so. So you can't stop me to see if I'm driving drunk, for example, unless I'm riding the white line (although the last time I did get stopped, the cop said I was riding the white line, but I wasn't. And I was sober. He just knew he had to indicate some sort of probable cause). A plane that is flying in a straight line from Point A to Point B is not guilty of anything unless there was a TFR around the nuclear plant. So when the authorities ask for the pilot's documents, he was only required to show -- not surrender -- them to an authorized member of the law enforcement community. He was not required to prove he was up to no good. -------- Bob Collins St. Paul, Minn. RV Builder's Hotline (free!) http://rvhotline.expercraft.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=131901#131901 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 02:05:55 PM PST US From: Deems Davis Subject: Re: RV-List: fun last Saturday How 'bout those Red Sox! :-) Deems Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 02:06:49 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: Re: fun last Saturday From: "Bob Collins" jpl(at)showpage.org wrote: > Right over the top, then yeah I think it's reasonable to at > least see who it was. And that's what they did. > If so, then they should make it illegal to fly right over the top. It's interesting, though, that some lawmakers have just proposed such a rule. http://www.govexec.com/story_page.cfm?articleid=37839&dcn=todaysnews The response of the NRC? "These are naturally robust facilities that are meant to withstand many types of natural disasters," said spokeswoman Holly Harrington. "Studies have shown that there's a low likelihood that it would penetrate to the extent that it would be a public safety hazard." So it's stated by the agency in charge that, basically, a small plane poses no threat. Further, the FAA guidelines to pilots say only they should not "linger" around a nuclear power plant, obviously giving blessing to fly around or over one...on a straight line. So really there's no reason to disrupt the life of a law abiding person other than the individual fear of some lady somewhere. That's not good enough. -------- Bob Collins St. Paul, Minn. RV Builder's Hotline (free!) http://rvhotline.expercraft.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=131904#131904 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 02:09:37 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: Re: fun last Saturday From: "Bob Collins" jhstarn(at)verizon.net wrote: > Out of the "ordinary" is the key here. I still don't understand, then, what was out of the ordinary about this pilot's actions. -------- Bob Collins St. Paul, Minn. RV Builder's Hotline (free!) http://rvhotline.expercraft.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=131905#131905 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 02:17:34 PM PST US From: Joseph Larson Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: fun last Saturday What happened in New York was completely ridiculous. And now the guy who made it all happen is running for President. If we want to get up in arms, 2004 in New York is definitely worth getting up in arms about. But in this case, no one was arrested. Someone had his ID checked because he flew near a sensitive area, possibly right over the top of someplace we've been politely asked to avoid. There's a line between reasonable and unreasonable. The mass arrests in New York City were clearly violations of constitutional rights. What I don't understand is why nothing came of it. Very clearly, those arrests were on the wrong side of the line. But there IS a line. If I'm seen with a crowbar outside a bank at 2 in the morning, I darned well expect the police to stop by and ask me why I have a crow bar and am hanging around outside the bank in the middle of the night. In that case, the police are on the right side of the line. So, where's the line? I don't think it's clear that the police were out of line in this case. All comes down to just how closely he came to the power station and how long they "detained" him. -J On Aug 30, 2007, at 3:49 PM, Bob Collins wrote: > > > > jhstarn(at)verizon.net wrote: >> activities out of the "ordinary". Yep > > > What in your opinion was out of the ordinary in the situation as > described that would lead a prudent person to assume an intent to > commit a crime? > > Did you read the New York Times yesterday. It was about all the > lawsuits that followed the cops rounding up people during the '04 > Republican convention. In one case, a guy had just got off a bus > from the airport to meet someone at the 5th Ave. library. He tried > to cross 42nd street but the cops said "no, you can't cross > here...so he tried to cross to the west...no go. South..no go. > > It turned out the cops were slowly moving that orange netting > behind everyone until everyone was penned in. Then the lead cop in > charge told everyone to sit down. They were all arrested. > > Anyway, a few hours later the guy who was just off the bus reads > the arrest report and learns that he was arrested for "sitting down > on 42nd Street blocking traffic." > > Do they teach that sort of stuff at the academy? > > -------- > Bob Collins > St. Paul, Minn. > RV Builder's Hotline (free!) > http://rvhotline.expercraft.com > > ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 02:18:07 PM PST US From: "Gordon or Marge" Subject: RE: RV-List: conduit Subject: Re: RV-List: conduit In a message dated 08/30/2007 10:54:21 AM Central Daylight Time, wnorth@sdccd.edu writes: It is a waste of weight >>> This has been mentioned several times, so, feeling quite guilty, I went out to the shop and carefully measured off 12" of the 1/2 CPVC "counduit" I used in my plane, then weighed it on my wifes super-accurate electronic kitchen scale. Result: 1.25 oz. Ten feet per wing x2 added 1 lb, 9 oz to my plane. For kix&gigglz I grabbed 24 1/2" snap bushings and weighed. Result: .625 ounces. I will be ripping the conduit out of my plane this weekend and installing the snap bushings... Or not- 8-) Mark do not archive A conduit in not necessary. I prefer, and have used, neoprene grommets which I like better than snap bushings because of the edge on the id. of the snap bushings. If you fear the need for future wires, a monofilament line installed initially will aid in pulling the wire. The grommet method was used by Meyers Aircraft 50 or so years ago. Gordon Comfort N363GC ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 02:20:00 PM PST US From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: fun last Saturday Holy crap, my RV list apparently got replaced with some BS politically incorrect argument list about why the world is going to hell in a hand basket. Guys, airplane building, remember? If this was the Cozy or Canard lists I would tell you to stop sniffing the epoxy. Can we move on already? Sheesh Do not archive this unrelated to airplane building BS. ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 02:26:54 PM PST US From: Sam Buchanan Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: fun last Saturday Bob Collins wrote: > > > [quote="jpl(at)showpage.org"]I There's a big difference between 10 > minutes to verify some information vs. several hours.[quote] > > Is there? You're a black person walking down a predominantly white > neighborhood. Some old bat who's afraid of black people calls the > cops and says "there's a black person in my neighborhood and I think > he's going to rob people." And some folks are wondering why the non-VAF RV forums are dying?..... Sam Buchanan ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 02:43:38 PM PST US From: jan Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: fun last Saturday The new RV are just to easy to build !! No need for any help forums anymore ... Just snap them together like giant Airfix kits ... Not like when I was young .. We had to carve our airplanes out of a solid tree with nothing but a flint axe and a bit of string ... Not to mention how we did the radio installation .. It was not even invented !! :-) Jan Trying to build the "original" RV6 ...Started in 87 ... Made form blocks for the ribs on the tail... made all the empennage spars etc... (everything 2 times ... etc...etc ... Should have had the forum then :-) ... Have a good Labour day my US friends ...!! -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sam Buchanan Sent: 30 August 2007 22:26 Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: fun last Saturday Bob Collins wrote: > > > [quote="jpl(at)showpage.org"]I There's a big difference between 10 > minutes to verify some information vs. several hours.[quote] > > Is there? You're a black person walking down a predominantly white > neighborhood. Some old bat who's afraid of black people calls the > cops and says "there's a black person in my neighborhood and I think > he's going to rob people." And some folks are wondering why the non-VAF RV forums are dying?..... Sam Buchanan ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 02:47:13 PM PST US From: Scott Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: fun last Saturday What does the symbol for a Nuke plant look like on a sectional? I don't know where this particular plant is located, so when I fly my Cessna 140 to the annual convention next month in Benton Harbor, will I inadvertantly fly over the plant (assuming I don't see the cooling towers in time to avoid overflight) ?? Scott http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/ Gotta Fly or Gonna Die Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version) Joseph Larson wrote: > > > Furthermore, the O.P. said "if he flew a straight line" he didn't > come that close to the power station. Okay, but when is the last > time any of us flew perfectly along our desired flight path. I > almost never do. I might be as much as 5 miles to one side or the > other and don't really care that much. It's VFR, it's a nice day, > and I know where I am and where I'm going -- that's good enough for > me. Did the O.P. fly right over the top of that nuclear plant? We > don't know. From his report, he may not even know. > > Where's the line? I don't know. I guess it depends on just how > closely he came to the power plant and how long they detained him. > And perhaps whether there had been recent intelligence of planned > attacks on nuclear power plants. 5 miles away isn't worthy of > notice. Right over the top, then yeah I think it's reasonable to at > least see who it was. And that's what they did. > > -Joe > > On Aug 30, 2007, at 2:31 PM, Bob Collins wrote: > >> >> [quote="jpl(at)showpage.org"]I >> There's a big difference between 10 minutes to verify some >> information vs. several hours.[quote] >> >> Is there? You're a black person walking down a predominantly white >> neighborhood. Some old bat who's afraid of black people calls the >> cops and says "there's a black person in my neighborhood and I think >> he's going to rob people." >> >> So the cops pull up to the black person and say, "what are you doing >> here?" And then they ask him to prove that he's not there to rob >> anyone. >> >> Now, I understand that a lot of folks probably don't see where this >> would be a problem. Which is itself a problem far greater than the >> incident itself. >> >> -------- >> Bob Collins >> St. Paul, Minn. >> RV Builder's Hotline (free!) >> http://rvhotline.expercraft.com >> > > ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 02:59:35 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: conduit From: "John W. Cox" Thanks Gordon - Dan Checkoway has given a great posting on his website of the advantage and the clear wear characteristics associated with wire runs. I regularly ask builders during EAA Tech visits what is called out for the maximum run distance between support points of cable runs. We often talk about means to correctly support such runs over distances and in proximity to moving parts, sharp edges and near hydro-carbon fluid lines. I forwarded to Tim and his RV University, a color PowerPoint presentation on wiring aircraft and pictures of what you might find a few years down the road with our RV-10s. At the airline, we are now immersed (Literally) in re-entering fuel tanks to bring them compliant with the new FAA -SFAR 88 requirements. To say the least, compliance is a pain in the butt. The MOD is jokingly written poorly and we respond with the quip that at least it will prevent another US Navy missile from bringing down another airliner and wasting millions by the FAA to explain it away. There are very few locales where an enclosed conduit are justified. There are many compelling reasons why exposed cable bundles are well merited. Retrofit is a novel concept during construction and Tim presented an offer to buy wire spoons from Stein. As builders the choice is yours. Several builders know that I stress the phrase "Serviceability" during my visit, which often is ignored during construction as the "Initial Manufacturer" and begins in earnest immediately upon attainment of your coveted DAR authorization for Phase I Fly-off. "Why didn't I think of that back then?" One of the few places where it is merited is in areas of crushability to the bundle from physical entry or near components where shedding heat or protection from other environmental factors is important. The ability to view heat build-up, chafe damage, trouble shoot wire run issues and save weight are all important. Remember that everything adds weight. Weight increase, brings down VANS beloved horsepower to weight ratio Performance. And by now we know he hates builders who increase horsepower (Hot Rodder) while throwing additional weight on the equation. Chose wisely. John Cox - EAA Tech Advisor #5242 Do not Archive but do consider researching the archives on this well posted issue within the RV 10 University database ________________________________ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gordon or Marge Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 2:16 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: conduit Subject: Re: RV-List: conduit In a message dated 08/30/2007 10:54:21 AM Central Daylight Time, wnorth@sdccd.edu writes: It is a waste of weight >>> This has been mentioned several times, so, feeling quite guilty, I went out to the shop and carefully measured off 12" of the 1/2 CPVC "counduit" I used in my plane, then weighed it on my wifes super-accurate electronic kitchen scale. Result: 1.25 oz. Ten feet per wing x2 added 1 lb, 9 oz to my plane. For kix&gigglz I grabbed 24 1/2" snap bushings and weighed. Result: .625 ounces. I will be ripping the conduit out of my plane this weekend and installing the snap bushings... Or not- 8-) Mark do not archive A conduit in not necessary. I prefer, and have used, neoprene grommets which I like better than snap bushings because of the edge on the id. of the snap bushings. If you fear the need for future wires, a monofilament line installed initially will aid in pulling the wire. The grommet method was used by Meyers Aircraft 50 or so years ago. Gordon Comfort N363GC ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 03:07:36 PM PST US From: Joseph Larson Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: fun last Saturday Knew it was only a matter of time before the list police showed up. But speaking of infringement of rights :-) do not archive On Aug 30, 2007, at 4:26 PM, Sam Buchanan wrote: > > Bob Collins wrote: >> >> [quote="jpl(at)showpage.org"]I There's a big difference between 10 >> minutes to verify some information vs. several hours.[quote] >> Is there? You're a black person walking down a predominantly white >> neighborhood. Some old bat who's afraid of black people calls the >> cops and says "there's a black person in my neighborhood and I think >> he's going to rob people." > > > And some folks are wondering why the non-VAF RV forums are dying?..... > > Sam Buchanan > > ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 03:20:09 PM PST US From: "Dale Walter" Subject: RV-List: RV8 video Great Britain Hi All, If you are tired of the old subject :) Enjoy this great, short video from Steve Morris in Great Britain. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bERemInAi8Q Dale RV6a 912 TT Hartzell, Lyc 360 A1A Do not archive ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 03:24:55 PM PST US From: Scott Subject: Re: RV-List: fun last Saturday OK, I'll bite. It takes a car 12 trips past the plant to be "suspicious" and ONE flight of an aircraft overhead. Why do you say the one overflight is different? If the poster was flying VFR, chances are he wasn't flying VOR to VOR, for example...so there wouldn't necessarily be a "highway in the sky" to follow. I'll bet there is a flight path between some two airports that might put that path over or near to the plant. Boats without fishing poles anchored out back. Hmmm, what's up with that. Maybe they've stopped for lunch? I think the point is that since an airplane was used in the attacks of 9/11, all planes must be bad. One truck blew up the Federal Building in OKC and I don't recall seeing a ban on cars past the building now. What's up with THAT? How about the boat used against the USS Cole? Are boats outlawed from ports now? Scott http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/ Gotta Fly or Gonna Die Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version) jhstarn@verizon.net wrote: > >I would think that cars that have made a dozen trips back & forth in front as a slower speed than the "ordinary" traffic would have been stopped. Boats without fishing poles anchored at the rivers edge would also be out of the ordinary. Flying by and circling overhead are different things. So is being on the road vs driving around & around in the parking lot. Out of the "ordinary" is the key here. KABONG Do Not Archive > > > > >>From: Scott >>Date: 2007/08/30 Thu PM 01:22:07 CDT >>To: rv-list@matronics.com >>Subject: Re: RV-List: fun last Saturday >> >> > > > >> >>However, how many cars get stopped after just driving by the plant on >>the road out front? Boats sailing by? >> >>Scott >>http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/ >>Gotta Fly or Gonna Die >>Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version) >> >> >> >>jhstarn@verizon.net wrote: >> >> >> >>> >>>OR...could it just be that the citizen alert system is working. Reporting of anything that looks odd or out of place and expect or DEMAND that it be checked out. Sounds to me like the "system" worked. >>>No one was arrested, tossed in jail without a hearing or bail nor beaten to a pulp. Detained, questioned & released, exactly what I would have done and expect the "Thin Blue Line" to continue to do. The sky isn't falling BUT that "could" have been a wolf on sheep's clothing. Do Not Archive. KABONG >>> >>> > > > > ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 03:38:59 PM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: fun last Saturday Tracy Crook wrote: > Amen Bob. > Whether by design or just the way politics works, people who are out of > the "mainstream" are going to get their liberties taken away in a > society where individual rights are not valued. We tend to notice the > loss of this particular liberty because flying puts us out of the > mainstream but we totally ignore the injustice in areas where we /are/ > mainstream. > > Wrong forum to elaborate on this but those who tend to be out of the > mainstream in a lot of areas are in for some bad times. The ones who > conform are going to find themselves in an uncomfortable shrinking box > but they figure that is a reasonable price to pay for security. > > Getting rather cynical as I age, so I say a pox on all of us. We always > get the government we deserve. Or as someone once said, "People should > get what they want, and I want them to get it good and hard." > > Tracy Crook (venting mode) > Do Not Archive I know what you mean, but I don't intend to get the government others deserve. I'm all dressed up & heading out the door to a 'town meeting' to oppose the location of the 'Plum Island' replacement in my community. The next project is to stop the Madison Co, MS version of the Alaskan Bridge to Nowhere. (Ambitious, aren't I?) I've discovered that usually, bad things happen in government because we naively believe government is benevolent and we are indifferent to what it does. The few who are willing to act, get what they want. Charlie ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 07:37:24 PM PST US From: "Jerry Isler" Subject: Re: RV-List: fun last Saturday Being employed at nuclear plant, I can tell you that a straight fly over of our plant at a reasonable altitude does not create any great cause for concern. However, a low altitude fly over or a plane circling the plant does raise the alarm in the security force. This will cause a call to the local authorities, the FBI, and in our case, Cairns Approach out of Fort Rucker, Alabama. I try to tell them it is not illegal to fly over the plant but they have their orders from above. Our plant does not even show up on the sectional so I am not sure how one would expect a transient to know it is even there. As far as the monkey under the hat, we would catch that. When entering the protected area of the plant you must pass through an explosives detector and a metal detector. The metal detector does not work well at head level (a generic deficiency of metal detectors) so you must remove all head gear for a visual inspection. Also, all hand carried items are X-rayed. The security force is highly trained and professional. They all wear body armour and carry back packs with about 40 lbs of gear. Each guard carries a fully loaded AR-15 and are on constant patrol. I would not try to penetrate the defenses. I think you would get shot. Jerry Isler RV-4 N455J (73 hrs) Licensed Senior Reactor Operator Farley Nuclear Plant ---- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Jensen" Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 3:02 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: fun last Saturday Perhaps next time I will give them the ultimate test and try to smuggle in a monkey under my hat. Chuck ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 08:26:06 PM PST US From: "Joe & Jan Connell" Subject: RV-List: Questions on O-320-D2A Sump Drains and a Slick Mag Hi, My O-320 D2A has 3 sump drain plugs. Should I use any particular plug to drain the oil? Are the three drain plugs for the convenience of various aircraft types? One more question: I have a P-Mag and a Slick impulse mag on the O-320. I can see where the P-lead goes on the Slick mag. I'm using a toggle switch to control the magneto and am using the shield at the switch end to complete the circuit. Is this the way to wire it or will grounding both ends of the shield generate noise? (My Rotax past isn't helpful here!) Thanks guys, Joe Connell RV-9A N95JJ ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 09:31:55 PM PST US From: Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: fun last Saturday Hmmm, an airport where ever we want one, expand the runways as needed, we love that, but don't allow a nuke plant anywhere in my state. :-( No issue opposing waste and pork, but we DO need all kinds of infrastructure improvements for all utilities. NIMBY and BANANA groups help achieve the gross overrun of costs and schedules. (for those that don't know...Not In My Back Yard, and Build Absolutely Nothing Anywhere for the acronyms) DO NOT ARCHIVE Charlie England wrote: > I know what you mean, but I don't intend to get the government others > deserve. I'm all dressed up & heading out the door to a 'town meeting' > to oppose the location of the 'Plum Island' replacement in my community. > > The next project is to stop the Madison Co, MS version of the Alaskan > Bridge to Nowhere. (Ambitious, aren't I?) > > I've discovered that usually, bad things happen in government because > we naively believe government is benevolent and we are indifferent to > what it does. The few who are willing to act, get what they want. > > Charlie > > _- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.