---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 09/13/07: 4 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:54 AM - Re: Spins in RV6aSpins in RV6a (Charles Heathco) 2. 08:27 PM - Re: Heated pitot retrofit (Don Hall) 3. 08:53 PM - FW: Heated pitot retrofit (Don Hall) 4. 08:53 PM - Re: Aircraft zoning issue (Richard E. Tasker) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:54:14 AM PST US From: "Charles Heathco" Subject: Re: RV-List: Spins in RV6aSpins in RV6a I was required to do 3 turn spins in Cherokee when qulifying for coml. I hated em, took my instructor (vietnam l-19 driver)up for aditional help, he damn near tore the wings off, skin was rippling and airspeed way past red line. I would never intenionally try to spin my 6a, (chicken Charlie) ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:27:22 PM PST US From: "Don Hall" Subject: RE: RV-List: Heated pitot retrofit I installed my Gretz during wing construction, but I think it would be simple enough to install it after the fact. The skin dimpling could be done with a pop-rivet dimple set. Here's one pic of my gretz install to help you out. There are other pics also. Fellow builder, Mike Stewart, advised me to use some rubber fuel line, courtesy of autozone, to connect the gretz copper line to the aluminum pitot run. Using this flexible line makes it easy to connect everything without having open access. http://donka.net/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=rv7leftwing&id=DSC0549 2 Good luck. ****************************************** Don Hall N517DG (registered) rv7 fuselage http://rv7.donka.net ****************************************** -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Karl Ahamer Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 5:44 AM Subject: RE: RV-List: Heated pitot retrofit Thanks Marty, I'm still tossing up which way to go. Regards Karl Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marty Helller Sent: Monday, 10 September 2007 1:51 AM Subject: RE: RV-List: Heated pitot retrofit Karl, Just done it also..... put my Gretz tube in the bay next to the wing access panel (wingtip side) - Thoughts to consider..... figure how you will countersink the skin before doing any riveting. I didn't and a fellow builder recommended I build a countersunk backplate. By using a countersunk screw I was able to pull the skin into a somewhat countersunk area.... but it isn't pretty. - Riveting.... you'll need to poprivet the support brackets.... - The smart chip (circuit board) Seemed to challenging to install the platenuts on the rib, so I built a raised platform to mount the chip right on the access panel but ensured the back of the circuit panel didn't touch the aluminum access plate. - Connecting the pitot line. Have to move the installed (aluminum) line to the new position. Bought a 1/4 by 1/4 copper pipe connector in the Home Depot aviation isle. Haven't bent the copper tube on the Gretz unit yet, but feel it's necessary to avoid a right angle in the pitot static line. On the road, so I don't have pictures..... Hope this helps.... Marty RV-7 (N622HR) Fitting systems in the fuselog... >From: "Karl Ahamer" >To: >Subject: RV-List: Heated pitot retrofit >Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 13:48:07 +1000 > >Hi all, >Wonder who difficult it would be to fit a heated pito tube once the >skins are on the wing (RV7),but wings not fitted to the fuselage as yet. >Anyone done this before? > >Regards >Karl Ahamer >7A near Sydney/Australia > > >6/09/2007 3:18 PM > > >6/09/2007 3:18 PM > _________________________________________________________________ Kick back and relax with hot games and cool activities at the Messenger Caf. http://www.cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_SeptHMtagline1 8/09/2007 1:24 PM 10/09/2007 5:43 PM ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:53:37 PM PST US From: "Don Hall" Subject: FW: RV-List: Heated pitot retrofit Correction, not fuel, but vaccuum tubing... -----Original Message----- From: Don Hall [mailto:dhall@donka.net] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 11:26 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Heated pitot retrofit I installed my Gretz during wing construction, but I think it would be simple enough to install it after the fact. The skin dimpling could be done with a pop-rivet dimple set. Here's one pic of my gretz install to help you out. There are other pics also. Fellow builder, Mike Stewart, advised me to use some rubber fuel line, courtesy of autozone, to connect the gretz copper line to the aluminum pitot run. Using this flexible line makes it easy to connect everything without having open access. http://donka.net/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=rv7leftwing&id=DSC0549 2 Good luck. ****************************************** Don Hall N517DG (registered) rv7 fuselage http://rv7.donka.net ****************************************** -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Karl Ahamer Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 5:44 AM Subject: RE: RV-List: Heated pitot retrofit Thanks Marty, I'm still tossing up which way to go. Regards Karl Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marty Helller Sent: Monday, 10 September 2007 1:51 AM Subject: RE: RV-List: Heated pitot retrofit Karl, Just done it also..... put my Gretz tube in the bay next to the wing access panel (wingtip side) - Thoughts to consider..... figure how you will countersink the skin before doing any riveting. I didn't and a fellow builder recommended I build a countersunk backplate. By using a countersunk screw I was able to pull the skin into a somewhat countersunk area.... but it isn't pretty. - Riveting.... you'll need to poprivet the support brackets.... - The smart chip (circuit board) Seemed to challenging to install the platenuts on the rib, so I built a raised platform to mount the chip right on the access panel but ensured the back of the circuit panel didn't touch the aluminum access plate. - Connecting the pitot line. Have to move the installed (aluminum) line to the new position. Bought a 1/4 by 1/4 copper pipe connector in the Home Depot aviation isle. Haven't bent the copper tube on the Gretz unit yet, but feel it's necessary to avoid a right angle in the pitot static line. On the road, so I don't have pictures..... Hope this helps.... Marty RV-7 (N622HR) Fitting systems in the fuselog... >From: "Karl Ahamer" >To: >Subject: RV-List: Heated pitot retrofit >Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 13:48:07 +1000 > >Hi all, >Wonder who difficult it would be to fit a heated pito tube once the >skins are on the wing (RV7),but wings not fitted to the fuselage as yet. >Anyone done this before? > >Regards >Karl Ahamer >7A near Sydney/Australia > > >6/09/2007 3:18 PM > > >6/09/2007 3:18 PM > _________________________________________________________________ Kick back and relax with hot games and cool activities at the Messenger Caf. http://www.cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_SeptHMtagline1 8/09/2007 1:24 PM 10/09/2007 5:43 PM ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:53:37 PM PST US From: "Richard E. Tasker" Subject: Re: RV-List: Aircraft zoning issue Does our emailing the City Council really have any effect? Most politicians are very careful to only pay attention to their constituents (if they even pay any attention to them). Normally, people from outside their districts are of no consequence to them. If any of them do pay attention, which ones should we email to? There are 19 members listed at the web site. Dick Tasker Brian Kraut wrote: > >Many of you have helped us in the past to try and defeat the ordinance that >was passed in Jacksonville about a year ago that basically makes it illegal >to work on any aircraft, experimental or otherwise, in the privacy of your >home in Jacksonville or to store one on residentialy zoned property unless >it is in a completely enclosed building. > >After fighting this for a long time we have finally gotten a council member >to sponsor a repeal of the law. We need your support one more time to email >or mail all of the council members to support ordinance 2007-0955 which is >the repeal of zoning code section 656.420. > >In their legislative summary it shows how many people have expressed an >opinion on the bill and we want thousands of emails and letters of support. >Something as simple as stating that you support bill 2007-0955 will suffice, >but you are free to give all of your opinions. Pass this on to anyone else >that you think could lend us some support. You can find the email addresses >of the City Council members here: > >http://www.coj.net/City+Council/City+Council+members.htm > >The latest news from the EAA is here: > >http://www.eaa.org/communications/eaanews/070830_jacksonville.html > >The proposed repeal of the ordinance is here: > >http://citycirc.coj.net/coj/COJBillList.asp?Bill 07-0955 > >The City Council mailing address is: > >Jacksonville City Council >117 West Duval St., Suite 425 >Jacksonville, FL 32202 > >And our terribly unupdated web site is www.jaxairplane.com > >Brian Kraut >www.jaxairplane.com > --- Please Note: No trees were destroyed in the sending of this message. 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