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1. 05:38 AM - IFR Approaches In An RV (Snow, Daniel A.)
2. 07:02 AM - Re: IFR Approaches In An RV (Ron Lee)
3. 08:24 AM - Re: IFR Approaches In An RV (John Jessen)
4. 09:14 AM - Re: IFR Approaches In An RV (Ron Lee)
5. 09:24 AM - Re: IFR Approaches In An RV (Snow, Daniel A.)
6. 09:52 AM - Re: Re: IFR Approaches In An RV (Sam Buchanan)
7. 10:33 AM - Re: Re: IFR Approaches In An RV (Michael W Stewart)
8. 12:09 PM - Re: Re: IFR Approaches In An RV (Larry Pardue)
9. 01:58 PM - Air Force Completes Transition of GPS Fleet to Upgraded Control System (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
10. 02:13 PM - high temp cable ties - now - engine mount stresses (Larry James)
11. 03:19 PM - Re: Air Force Completes Transition of GPS Fleet to Upgraded Control System (luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky))
12. 03:19 PM - Re: high temp cable ties - now - engine mount stresses (Jim Jewell)
13. 03:34 PM - Re: high temp cable ties - now - engine mount stresses (Rob Prior)
14. 06:38 PM - Re: Re: IFR Approaches In An RV (David Leonard)
15. 06:39 PM - Re: Air Force Completes Transition of GPS Fleet to Upgraded Control System (RV6 Flyer)
16. 07:20 PM - electric aileron trimp kit, part F-7126 (Marty Helller)
17. 11:19 PM - My losing fight with a prop (Stein Bruch)
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| Subject: | IFR Approaches In An RV |
I don't mean to turn this into an IFR forum, as there are other forums
for that discussion. However, due to the difficulty of slowing RV's
down, I'm curious how people approach IFR approaches. In other words,
when do you start slowing down, what speeds do you use for precision and
non-precision approaches, when do you start lowering flaps, when do you
finish lowering flaps, and when do you settle into your final approach
configuration.
Thanks,
Daniel Snow
RV-9A, 72 hours
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| Subject: | Re: IFR Approaches In An RV |
I question the assertion that it is difficult to slow an RV down.
If you come in at full throttle and chop the power as you enter
downwind then yes it is. So slow down earlier.
Ron Lee
----- Original Message -----
From: "Snow, Daniel A." <Daniel.Snow@wancdf.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 6:36 AM
Subject: RV-List: IFR Approaches In An RV
>
> I don't mean to turn this into an IFR forum, as there are other forums
> for that discussion. However, due to the difficulty of slowing RV's
> down, I'm curious how people approach IFR approaches. In other words,
> when do you start slowing down, what speeds do you use for precision and
> non-precision approaches, when do you start lowering flaps, when do you
> finish lowering flaps, and when do you settle into your final approach
> configuration.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Daniel Snow
> RV-9A, 72 hours
>
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| Subject: | IFR Approaches In An RV |
Also, what type of prop you have. Have been in both and the slow down was
amazingly good with the constant speed over fixed.
John J
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Lee
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 7:01 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: IFR Approaches In An RV
I question the assertion that it is difficult to slow an RV down.
If you come in at full throttle and chop the power as you enter downwind
then yes it is. So slow down earlier.
Ron Lee
----- Original Message -----
From: "Snow, Daniel A." <Daniel.Snow@wancdf.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 6:36 AM
Subject: RV-List: IFR Approaches In An RV
>
> I don't mean to turn this into an IFR forum, as there are other forums
> for that discussion. However, due to the difficulty of slowing RV's
> down, I'm curious how people approach IFR approaches. In other words,
> when do you start slowing down, what speeds do you use for precision and
> non-precision approaches, when do you start lowering flaps, when do you
> finish lowering flaps, and when do you settle into your final approach
> configuration.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Daniel Snow
> RV-9A, 72 hours
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: IFR Approaches In An RV |
I have a fixed pitch prop. No problems.
Ron Lee
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Jessen" <n212pj@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 9:23 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: IFR Approaches In An RV
>
> Also, what type of prop you have. Have been in both and the slow down was
> amazingly good with the constant speed over fixed.
>
> John J
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Lee
> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 7:01 AM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: IFR Approaches In An RV
>
>
> I question the assertion that it is difficult to slow an RV down.
>
> If you come in at full throttle and chop the power as you enter downwind
> then yes it is. So slow down earlier.
>
> Ron Lee
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Snow, Daniel A." <Daniel.Snow@wancdf.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 6:36 AM
> Subject: RV-List: IFR Approaches In An RV
>
>
>>
>> I don't mean to turn this into an IFR forum, as there are other forums
>> for that discussion. However, due to the difficulty of slowing RV's
>> down, I'm curious how people approach IFR approaches. In other words,
>> when do you start slowing down, what speeds do you use for precision and
>> non-precision approaches, when do you start lowering flaps, when do you
>> finish lowering flaps, and when do you settle into your final approach
>> configuration.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Daniel Snow
>> RV-9A, 72 hours
>>
>>
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>
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| Subject: | RE: IFR Approaches In An RV |
OK, let me rephrase . . . my RV-9A with fixed-pitch prop is noticeably
different than my old PA-28-160 when approaching an airport. Can
someone please describe the speeds and flap settings you use for the
various phases of precision and non-precision approaches?
Thanks in advance for help.
Daniel
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| Subject: | Re: RE: IFR Approaches In An RV |
Snow, Daniel A. wrote:
> OK, let me rephrase . . . my RV-9A with fixed-pitch prop is noticeably
> different than my old PA-28-160 when approaching an airport.
Yes it is, just start slowing a little sooner. :-)
Can
> someone please describe the speeds and flap settings you use for the
> various phases of precision and non-precision approaches?
100kts, no flaps, unless in a hurry, then 120kts. At 100kts, there is
plenty of time to slow to flap speed (87kts) after hitting minimums.
Once power is pulled to idle, the flaps extended, and the flare
initiated, the RV will slow very quickly with most of the runway still
in front of you.
Sam Buchanan
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| Subject: | Re: RE: IFR Approaches In An RV |
Daniel,
Your speeds should not be any different IFR, VFR, Precision, or non
precision.
You will fly the same speeds you usually do.
One thing you can do to help practice before hand is do some appraoches
VFR
and follow your needles, carrying your normal approach speeds. Take a
mental snapshot or write down, your power setting to maintain your appr
oach
speed and flaps. This will more easily help you nail a speed on approac
h
rather than hunting for it like you might do now.
Other than that, you will fly your plane the same way you do now in ter
ms
of landing speeds to make touch down.
Best,
Mike
"Snow, Daniel A."
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OK, let me rephrase . . . my RV-9A with fixed-pitch prop is noticeably
different than my old PA-28-160 when approaching an airport. Can someo
ne
please describe the speeds and flap settings you use for the various ph
ases
of precision and non-precision approaches?
Thanks in advance for help.
Daniel
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| Subject: | Re: RE: IFR Approaches In An RV |
On Sep 18, 2007, at 11:30 AM, Michael W Stewart wrote:
> Daniel,
> Your speeds should not be any different IFR, VFR, Precision, or non
> precision.
> You will fly the same speeds you usually do.
>
My normal VFR approach speed is 65 knots with a very short final. I
don't think ATC is going to be happy with that at all with 6 737s
following me down the ILS. I like to fly an ILS at around 100 to 120
knots minimum and it does take a long time to slow down with my fixed
pitch prop.
To be fair, if the 737s were following me VFR I would probably fly
even faster, but that situation seems to rarely come up VFR.
Larry Pardue
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| Subject: | Air Force Completes Transition of GPS Fleet to Upgraded Control |
System
This is good to see but it makes me a bit nervous to learn that the entire
GPS nav data command and control system is in one location and LA none the
less......
http://www.losangeles.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123068412
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| Subject: | high temp cable ties - now - engine mount stresses |
Wow, I've never heard of this before .. And it makes sense.
>>Time: 04:09:34 AM PST US
>>Subject: Re: RV-List: high temp cable ties
>>From: "Kelly McMullen" <kellym@aviating.com>
>>
>>Regardless of the temps, it is not acceptable to use cable ties on an
>>engine mount tube. Oil and dirt get under it and start wearing the tube.
>>You need a pair of Adel clamps.
>>KM
>>A&P/IA
So this leads me to two more questions:
1) Given the Engine Mount is a highly stressed piece; is it
acceptable to weld a tab so that something can be bolted to it ??
2) How about Electroless Nickel Plating ???
Larry E. James
Bellevue, WA
Super Decathlon (flying)
Rocket (under contruction - way too long)
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| Subject: | Re: Air Force Completes Transition of GPS Fleet to Upgraded Control |
System
no, it's still controlled by squadrons in colorado. the branch of the air force
that developed the replacement ground control system is headquartered in LA.
The development folks are patting themselves on the back and doing a press release
from their HQ in LA....
"AEP was delivered by the Space and Missile Systems Center's GPS Wing to the 50th
Space Wing to replace the legacy 1970s-era mainframe computer at Schriever
AFB, Colo. "
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
This is good to see but it makes me a bit nervous to learn that the entire GPS
nav data command and control system is in one location and LA none the less
http://www.losangeles.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123068412
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| Subject: | Re: high temp cable ties - now - engine mount stresses |
Here are two things that might work to protect the tubes:
1. First wrap the engine mount or structural tube with Aluminium heat
duct tape two layers thick then install the cable ties.
2. Use self vulcanizing silicon tape two layers thick then apply the
cable ties.
I think the tapes would keep moisture away well enough.
The silicon tape might help reduce wear due to vibration.
Jim in Kelowna
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry James
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 2:08 PM
Subject: RV-List: high temp cable ties - now - engine mount stresses
Wow, I've never heard of this before .. And it makes sense.
>>Time: 04:09:34 AM PST US
>>Subject: Re: RV-List: high temp cable ties
>>From: "Kelly McMullen" <kellym@aviating.com>
>>
>>Regardless of the temps, it is not acceptable to use cable ties on
an
>>engine mount tube. Oil and dirt get under it and start wearing the
tube.
>>You need a pair of Adel clamps.
>>KM
>>A&P/IA
So this leads me to two more questions:
1) Given the Engine Mount is a highly stressed piece;
is it acceptable to weld a tab so that something can be bolted to it ??
2) How about Electroless Nickel Plating ???
Larry E. James
Bellevue, WA
Super Decathlon (flying)
Rocket (under contruction - way too long)
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| Subject: | Re: high temp cable ties - now - engine mount stresses |
On 15:23 2007-09-18 "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net> wrote:
> 2. Use self vulcanizing silicon tape two layers thick then apply the
> cable ties.
I like this solution because the silicone tape is pretty much heat-proof,
and the self-vulcanizing aspect means it's not going to slowly unwrap on
you like black electrical tape would.
That being said, it looks like most of the planes near me have used black
electrical tape.
Either way, check it when you have the cowlings off, and you'll be fine.
You're not going to get enough motion under either kind of tape to wear
through the powdercoating on the mount. And you certainly don't need
expensive and heavy Adel clamps.
-Rob
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| Subject: | Re: RE: IFR Approaches In An RV |
Daniel,
I also have a fixed pitch and you are right that it takes a little longer to
slow down. But Mike was right. Fly the same speeds you would VFR. You
dont fly VFR approaches at 65kt from 5 mi out from the airport, you
gradually slow down to that speed. Do the same for your IFR flying.
Gradually slow as you approach the airport.
True, that is contrary to the way you may have learned to fly approaches in
a c-172: 80kts, pitch for speed, power for altitude, trim up and drone
along. You can do the same thing in your RV by slowing to 80 and putting
out the flaps at the IAF just like in the cessna.
I fly approaches a little different in my -6 (some would say sloppy?). Long
about the outer marker I go to idle power. Use pitch to stay on the glide
slope. Depending on how fast I was going at the outer marker I either have
to eventually add a little power back in to maintain 70-80kts, or when I
break out I hold altitude and cross control until I reach flap speed. Slows
down pretty quick after that. Timed approach - Whats that?
Unconventional yes, but so are these aircraft. Just go do some VMC and you
will figure out what you like.
JMHO
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Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net <http://n4vy.rotaryroster.net/>
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On 9/18/07, Larry Pardue <n5lp@warpdriveonline.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> On Sep 18, 2007, at 11:30 AM, Michael W Stewart wrote:
>
> > Daniel,
> > Your speeds should not be any different IFR, VFR, Precision, or non
> > precision.
> > You will fly the same speeds you usually do.
> >
> My normal VFR approach speed is 65 knots with a very short final. I
> don't think ATC is going to be happy with that at all with 6 737s
> following me down the ILS. I like to fly an ILS at around 100 to 120
> knots minimum and it does take a long time to slow down with my fixed
> pitch prop.
>
> To be fair, if the 737s were following me VFR I would probably fly
> even faster, but that situation seems to rarely come up VFR.
>
> Larry Pardue
>
>
<http://RotaryRoster.net>
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| Subject: | Air Force Completes Transition of GPS Fleet to Upgraded |
Control System
Hey. I am in LA.
Are you afraid that I am going to mess it up?
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
2,05204 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA
From: rvbuilder@sausen.net
Subject: RV-List: Air Force Completes Transition of GPS Fleet to Upgraded C
ontrol System
This is good to see but it makes me a bit nervous to learn
that the entire GPS nav data command and control system is in one location
and
LA none the less=85=85
http://www.losangeles.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123068412
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| Subject: | electric aileron trimp kit, part F-7126 |
Installing the electric aileron trim kit for an RV-7, I seem to be missing
the F-7126 trim links which connect the trim handle to the servo. Unfortun
ately, the Optional drawing 19 doesn't have dimensions. Talking to Vans to
order the part, they recommend to just make it out of .063 aluminum. Do
es anyone have the kit and could trace the part shape? It will be easier t
o fabricate if I don't have to do it several times as I guess at the size/s
hape.
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RV-7, Fitting interior systems
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| Subject: | My losing fight with a prop |
To those if you not on the VAF forums or who haven't seen the RV-10 list
posts,I thought I'd let you know what is going on. My apologies in advance
if you already saw this, but I just wanted it to come from the horses mouth.
I'll post the long story and gory/grotesque details later once I'm feeling a
bit better, but to make a really long story short------let's just call it
momentary stupidity (more than my usual amount).
Over the weekend I had an unfortuneate incident where my right hand contaced
a running prop (Not on an RC either). The prop is fine, but my hand will
take a while to recover and now has less digits on it than it did 4 days ago
at this time. I'm back from the hospital (this is the 1st time I've ever
carried body parts with me to a hospital) and hand surgeon, but have another
surgery on Thurs. I'm going to come out of this pretty good, just missing
some of my right index finger that they couldn't/wouldn't stitch back on and
a few small chunks out of my thumb that will heal fine (we hope).
I'm in good spirits and thanks to the support of all my friends/customers am
doing well - just not doing much work for a few days. I'm one lucky guy,
and am NOT complaining about my sitiation at all. I'm actually really
liking everyone's sense of humor (no "1/2 off sales, no DIGITal sales, the
10% off my next manicure, etc...") jokes are helping me cope. If I didn't
laugh about this I'd cry, and since I can't undo what happened I much more
enjoy laughing than crying!
I'll post the whole thing later as I have more time and more ability to
type.
Best regards and thanks for the support,
Stein
do not archive this macabre stuff - let's save it for a "lessons learned"
post later on!
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