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1. 07:14 AM - Re: My losing fight with a prop (RV7AODYSSEY@aol.com)
2. 07:30 AM - Re: My losing fight with a prop (Richard Dudley)
3. 08:27 AM - IFR Approaches In An RV (john@jallenplace.com)
4. 08:27 AM - Re: My losing fight with a prop (Walter Tondu)
5. 09:51 AM - Re: My losing fight with a prop (Dave Cudney)
6. 12:11 PM - Re: My losing fight with a prop (Dana Overall)
7. 01:23 PM - Re: My losing fight with a prop (Rob Prior)
8. 03:22 PM - Brake Pedals (Carl Bell)
9. 04:29 PM - Re: high temp cable ties (Kelly McMullen)
10. 04:44 PM - Re: high temp cable ties (Kelly McMullen)
11. 05:01 PM - Flap actuator measurements (carlos)
12. 05:18 PM - Re: Brake Pedals (Ed Anderson)
13. 05:18 PM - Re: high temp cable ties (Konrad L. Werner)
14. 06:11 PM - Re: Brake Pedals (Robin Marks)
15. 06:29 PM - Re: high temp cable ties (Walter Tondu)
16. 06:42 PM - Re: high temp cable ties (John W. Cox)
17. 07:02 PM - Re: Brake Pedals (Carl Bell)
18. 07:26 PM - Re: My losing fight with a prop (Dave Nellis)
19. 07:38 PM - RV-8A baggage door lock (Michael A Taylor)
20. 08:39 PM - Re: high temp cable ties (Mike Divan)
21. 10:03 PM - Re: Brake Pedals (Steven DiNieri)
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| Subject: | Re: My losing fight with a prop |
Hi Stein,
We never know how lucky we are till something goes wrong! I hope your
recovery goes well.
Ed H
RV7A
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| Subject: | Re: My losing fight with a prop |
Hi Stein,
Sorry to hear of your prop incident.
Hope that your recovery continues to go well.
Your positive attitude will help.
Best regards,
Richard Dudley
Stein Bruch wrote:
>
>To those if you not on the VAF forums or who haven't seen the RV-10 list
>posts,I thought I'd let you know what is going on. My apologies in advance
>if you already saw this, but I just wanted it to come from the horses mouth.
>
>I'll post the long story and gory/grotesque details later once I'm feeling a
>bit better, but to make a really long story short------let's just call it
>momentary stupidity (more than my usual amount).
>
>Over the weekend I had an unfortuneate incident where my right hand contaced
>a running prop (Not on an RC either). The prop is fine, but my hand will
>take a while to recover and now has less digits on it than it did 4 days ago
>at this time. I'm back from the hospital (this is the 1st time I've ever
>carried body parts with me to a hospital) and hand surgeon, but have another
>surgery on Thurs. I'm going to come out of this pretty good, just missing
>some of my right index finger that they couldn't/wouldn't stitch back on and
>a few small chunks out of my thumb that will heal fine (we hope).
>
>I'm in good spirits and thanks to the support of all my friends/customers am
>doing well - just not doing much work for a few days. I'm one lucky guy,
>and am NOT complaining about my sitiation at all. I'm actually really
>liking everyone's sense of humor (no "1/2 off sales, no DIGITal sales, the
>10% off my next manicure, etc...") jokes are helping me cope. If I didn't
>laugh about this I'd cry, and since I can't undo what happened I much more
>enjoy laughing than crying!
>
>I'll post the whole thing later as I have more time and more ability to
>type.
>
>Best regards and thanks for the support,
>Stein
>
>
>do not archive this macabre stuff - let's save it for a "lessons learned"
>post later on!
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | IFR Approaches In An RV |
=0A
=0AIn my RV6A=C2-with fixed pitch prop I fly at 90kts once I am in the ap
proach environment. I keep in 10 degrees of flaps, and turn the engine abou
t 1800-1900 RPM.=C2- The 10 degrees of flaps tends to make the airplane m
ore stable, though that probably isn't necessary in the -9 (a more stable p
latform to begin with). Generally I limit climb power to about 2100-2200 RP
M which provides 600fpm climb and allows an easier transition back to the 9
0kt speed once I level off.
=0A=C2-
=0AUsing these numbers the airplane is a much more stable platform.=C2-
=0A=C2-
=0AI usually give the approach Controller a heads up that I will be dramati
cally reducing speed and at what point I intend to do so.
=0A=C2-
=0AJohn Allen
=0A=C2-
=0A=0A=C2-
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| Subject: | Re: My losing fight with a prop |
Hi Stein,
Did you hear about the girl who backed into a running prop?
Disassther :)
Get well.
--
Walter Tondu
http://www.rv7-a.com - Flying!
http://www.evorocket.com - Building
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| Subject: | Re: My losing fight with a prop |
Stein:
Sorry to hear about your prop trouble-- those things have always
scarred me -- I know with your attitude your will make it through
this fine -- I always enjoy talking to you. My panel works great and
looks good -- mostly due to your advice and hard work.
dave
P.S. Did you hear about the butcher who backed up into the meat
grinder and got a little behind in his work???
---- hope you don't get too far behind in yours.
On Sep 19, 2007, at 8:28 AM, Walter Tondu wrote:
>
> Hi Stein,
>
> Did you hear about the girl who backed into a running prop?
>
> Disassther :)
>
> Get well.
>
>
> --
> Walter Tondu
> http://www.rv7-a.com - Flying!
> http://www.evorocket.com - Building
>
>
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| Subject: | My losing fight with a prop |
You know Stein, they make flash tachs that will tell you the RPMs of the pr
op so you don't have to stick your fingers in there:-)
Seriously, take care and get better.
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY i39
RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4
http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackwing1.jpg
http://rvflying.tripod.com
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> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 10:28:54 -0400
> From: rhdudley1@bellsouth.net
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: My losing fight with a prop
>
>
> Hi Stein,
> Sorry to hear of your prop incident.
> Hope that your recovery continues to go well.
> Your positive attitude will help.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Richard Dudley
>
>
> Stein Bruch wrote:
>
> >
> >To those if you not on the VAF forums or who haven't seen the RV-10 list
> >posts,I thought I'd let you know what is going on. My apologies in advan
ce
> >if you already saw this, but I just wanted it to come from the horses mo
uth.
> >
> >I'll post the long story and gory/grotesque details later once I'm feeli
ng a
> >bit better, but to make a really long story short------let's just call i
t
> >momentary stupidity (more than my usual amount).
> >
> >Over the weekend I had an unfortuneate incident where my right hand cont
aced
> >a running prop (Not on an RC either). The prop is fine, but my hand will
> >take a while to recover and now has less digits on it than it did 4 days
ago
> >at this time. I'm back from the hospital (this is the 1st time I've eve
r
> >carried body parts with me to a hospital) and hand surgeon, but have ano
ther
> >surgery on Thurs. I'm going to come out of this pretty good, just missin
g
> >some of my right index finger that they couldn't/wouldn't stitch back on
and
> >a few small chunks out of my thumb that will heal fine (we hope).
> >
> >I'm in good spirits and thanks to the support of all my friends/customer
s am
> >doing well - just not doing much work for a few days. I'm one lucky guy
,
> >and am NOT complaining about my sitiation at all. I'm actually really
> >liking everyone's sense of humor (no "1/2 off sales, no DIGITal sales, t
he
> >10% off my next manicure, etc...") jokes are helping me cope. If I didn
't
> >laugh about this I'd cry, and since I can't undo what happened I much mo
re
> >enjoy laughing than crying!
> >
> >I'll post the whole thing later as I have more time and more ability to
> >type.
> >
> >Best regards and thanks for the support,
> >Stein
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >do not archive this macabre stuff - let's save it for a "lessons learned
"
> >post later on!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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| Subject: | My losing fight with a prop |
On 12:10 2007-09-19 Dana Overall <bo124rs@hotmail.com> wrote:
> You know Stein, they make flash tachs that will tell you the RPMs of
> the prop so you don't have to stick your fingers in there:-)
It sounds like he already has a digital model (or at least he did), but I
think he wants a non-contacting model next. :)
-Rob
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I'm building my RV 7 brake pedals and I decided to buff one up and see how
it looks, and it looks marvelous. Obviously, once installed it would be very
difficult to keep it in Bristol condition, yet every RV I have seen has worn
paint, yada, yada. So, do any of you super experienced builder out there
have a way I could get chrome looking brake pedals that may actually last
for a little while?? Is it possible to chrome plate the aluminum, or would
that compromise the strength some way. I was thinking of buffing and
putting on a few heavy coats of clear coat. Any thought here or am I just
being too possessed to help myself. Thx Carl
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| Subject: | Re: high temp cable ties |
John Cox put it very well. As the manufacturer, you can do what you want.
A DAR not finding fault with something does NOT mean it is a good practice
or even safe. I can tell you that as an IA, every Tywrap found attached
around the engine mount on a TC aircraft will be written up as a
discrepancy. Your plane, your experiment, you can do as you choose, at
your own risk.
>
> Kelly McMullen wrote:
>>
>> Regardless of the temps, it is not acceptable to use cable ties on an
>> engine mount tube. Oil and dirt get under it and start wearing the tube.
>> You need a pair of Adel clamps.
>
> True.
>
> However, the regular ol' nylon zip ties in the engine compartment of my
> RV-6, some of which are on mount tubes, were not only passed by the DAR,
> but have stood up just fine for eight years and 825 hours and have
> caused no damage.
>
> Maybe it is because oil and dirt are not allowed in the engine
> compartment of my plane. :-)
>
> Sam Buchanan
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: high temp cable ties |
WRONG! Tie wraps will cut steel engine mount tubing regardless of what
you have under them. It is just a matter of time. If you don't have a
cushion under the tiewrap to prevent it from chafing, it will chafe. But,
if you want to have to occasionally replace or reweld your engine mount,
be my guest. Just remember that the type certificated industry had about
40 years head start on the experimental category in figuring out how to
screw up a perfectly good airplane. You just have the freedom to relearn
others mistakes.
> You can use tie wraps if you use them properly. You are suppose to use one
> to go around both the structure and the cable and don't tighten it but
> then use another tie wrap wraped around the first tie wrap in between the
> cable and structure to tighten the first tie wrap. If installed properly,
> it won't cut into anything.
>
> Mike
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| Subject: | Flap actuator measurements |
I have a question about the dimensions of the flap actuator from Vans.
The web doesn't give much info about them. I'm building a 7A but
currently have a PL-1 with manual flaps and I'd like to convert them.
What I'm looking for is the info of the actuator itself. What is the
retracted/extended length of the unit? Can you trim the length if
necessary? How heavy is it? I'm thinking of using it in the PL for
electrical flaps. I want to make sure it will fit before I actually buy
one. I will also be comparing it to those linear actuators from
cars/trucks for compatibility.
Carlos in AZ
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Structural Engineers, LLC
2963 W. Elliot Rd. - Suite 3
Chandler, AZ 85224
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| Subject: | Re: Brake Pedals |
Carl, there is a chemical method now used to plate aluminum which
overcomes some of the problem way back when chrome plating of aluminum
was first tired. While I did not have any aluminum chromed I had my
aluminum gear box nickel plated using this technique (it turns it to a
soft gold color) which stands up much better than anodizing/alodizing -
its much tougher.
I was told that it is now used as a prep for chrome plating aluminum -
but, I have not tried it for that.
You can read up on it if you wish starting here is good. or just goggle
Electroless Nickel plating.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroless_nickel_plating
http://www.corrosion-doctors.org/MetalCoatings/Electroless.htm
Ed
Ed Anderson
Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
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----- Original Message -----
From: Carl Bell
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 6:21 PM
Subject: RV-List: Brake Pedals
I'm building my RV 7 brake pedals and I decided to buff one up and see
how it looks, and it looks marvelous. Obviously, once installed it would
be very difficult to keep it in Bristol condition, yet every RV I have
seen has worn paint, yada, yada. So, do any of you super experienced
builder out there have a way I could get chrome looking brake pedals
that may actually last for a little while?? Is it possible to chrome
plate the aluminum, or would that compromise the strength some way. I
was thinking of buffing and putting on a few heavy coats of clear coat.
Any thought here or am I just being too possessed to help myself. Thx
Carl
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| Subject: | Re: high temp cable ties |
Anyone ever heard of *Koroseal* (as sold by AC-Spruce and others)
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/elpages/lacing.php
That is the product I would use in the engine compartment instead of
tie-wraps, based on input from much smarter people then myself.
Just because we Experimenters can do whatever they want does not
necessarily make it a necessarily great move...
----- Original Message -----
From: Kelly McMullen
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: high temp cable ties
John Cox put it very well. As the manufacturer, you can do what you
want.
A DAR not finding fault with something does NOT mean it is a good
practice
or even safe. I can tell you that as an IA, every Tywrap found
attached
around the engine mount on a TC aircraft will be written up as a
discrepancy. Your plane, your experiment, you can do as you choose, at
your own risk.
>
> Kelly McMullen wrote:
<kellym@aviating.com>
>>
>> Regardless of the temps, it is not acceptable to use cable ties on
an
>> engine mount tube. Oil and dirt get under it and start wearing the
tube.
>> You need a pair of Adel clamps.
>
> True.
>
> However, the regular ol' nylon zip ties in the engine compartment of
my
> RV-6, some of which are on mount tubes, were not only passed by the
DAR,
> but have stood up just fine for eight years and 825 hours and have
> caused no damage.
>
> Maybe it is because oil and dirt are not allowed in the engine
> compartment of my plane. :-)
>
> Sam Buchanan
>
>
>
>
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Carl,
I chose to powder coat my RV-10 pedals (they look more like
chrome in person). I have zero idea how long my pedals will stay in this
condition. My white painted RV-6A pedals don't look bad after 375 hours.
Attached are my RV-10 pedals.
Robin ndition10 pedals an from HumidTech
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| Subject: | Re: high temp cable ties |
On 09/19 4:43, Kelly McMullen wrote:
> WRONG! Tie wraps will cut steel engine mount tubing regardless of what
> you have under them. It is just a matter of time. If you don't have a
I wrap engine mount tubing with 3 to 4 wraps of self-sticking silicone
tape and put the tie wrap on that. Some of the tape should also be wrapped
around any part being held with the tie wrap as well.
No way that will cut through in my lifetime.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/uniwrap.php
--
Walter Tondu
http://www.rv7-a.com - Flying!
http://www.evorocket.com - Building
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| Subject: | high temp cable ties |
I was dressed down "offline" by another poster who was apparently also
an EAA TC (which I did not know from the post). The value for all of
you reading is that everyone has opinions so make your choices wisely.
My presentation which was lost on many, yet remains as follows.
Just because someone has flown X years and Y hours without the problem
rearing its ugly head, use some common sense when selecting techniques
which are not officially supported. Choose wisely. The TWA 800 fiasco
is throwing copious money and time at correcting conditions which "do
lead to failure in electrical systems and fuel distribution system - due
to aging aircraft". It is called "Forensic Pathology". As we are part of
the OBAM community, those of us left flying after others have become
insurance statistics pay for the mistakes of those who chose unwisely.
Zip ties are cheap, quick and we can tend to be lazy. Do it once, do it
right stay safe. Seek a second or third set of eyes to inspect your
work when available. Don't get your technical advice from hangar
flying. DARs serve a valuable service. If you think they are buying
off your pet project as safe, get it in writing with their signature and
DAR designation number or don't make such a representation. You may
just be reading more into the process that the FAA has granted with
their authority to review your documents during that process.
Don't even wind me up on the subject of allowing purchasers of
professional build Kitplanes (who did not build it to 51% rules) to
acquire a repairman's ticket and then maintain them in the same
insurance pool that I pay.
Nuff said. How bout them Red Sox?
John Cox
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: high temp cable ties
John Cox put it very well. As the manufacturer, you can do what you
want.
A DAR not finding fault with something does NOT mean it is a good
practice
or even safe. I can tell you that as an IA, every Tywrap found attached
around the engine mount on a TC aircraft will be written up as a
discrepancy. Your plane, your experiment, you can do as you choose, at
your own risk.
>
> Kelly McMullen wrote:
>>
>> Regardless of the temps, it is not acceptable to use cable ties on an
>> engine mount tube. Oil and dirt get under it and start wearing the
tube.
>> You need a pair of Adel clamps.
>
> True.
>
> However, the regular ol' nylon zip ties in the engine compartment of
my
> RV-6, some of which are on mount tubes, were not only passed by the
DAR,
> but have stood up just fine for eight years and 825 hours and have
> caused no damage.
>
> Maybe it is because oil and dirt are not allowed in the engine
> compartment of my plane. :-)
>
> Sam Buchanan
>
>
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Mark,
What color did you use when you coated the brake pedals to look like chrome?
Who does this kind of painting and what is the charge for something like
this. BTW they look great. Thx Carl
_____
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 9:09 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Brake Pedals
Carl,
I chose to powder coat my RV-10 pedals (they look more like
chrome in person). I have zero idea how long my pedals will stay in this
condition. My white painted RV-6A pedals don't look bad after 375 hours.
Attached are my RV-10 pedals.
Robin ndition10 pedals an from HumidTech
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| Subject: | Re: My losing fight with a prop |
The following clip was posted today on another forum.
Related, but not quite as devastating.
Dave Nellis
In the late '60's at Deer Valley airport in Phoenix a
mechanic? was
hand propping a Stagger Wing. The plane was tied down
but when the
R985 fired, the airplane surged forward (the throttle
was wide open)
and broke free of the tie down. It jumped across the
taxiway and
chewed the whole tail section off of a C172 parked in
the row in front
of it. The tail section of the Cessna from the cabin
back was rolled
up on the ground like a wad of aluminum foil and
several notches were
cut into the flap and aileron on the right wing.
Fortunately the
mechanic was not hurt (other than pride) and the
engine on the Beech
stalled and the damage was limited to the 172. The
Stagger Wing
sustained very minor damage in the form of small nicks
in the prop and
a dent in the left bottom wing. Later in the
restaurant, I overheard
two people talking about the incident. One said to the
other, "I've
always wanted a Stagger Wing, but I don't think I
could afford to feed
it Cessnas".
--- Stein Bruch <stein@steinair.com> wrote:
> <stein@steinair.com>
>
> To those if you not on the VAF forums or who haven't
> seen the RV-10 list
> posts,I thought I'd let you know what is going on.
> My apologies in advance
> if you already saw this, but I just wanted it to
> come from the horses mouth.
>
> I'll post the long story and gory/grotesque details
> later once I'm feeling a
> bit better, but to make a really long story
> short------let's just call it
> momentary stupidity (more than my usual amount).
>
> Over the weekend I had an unfortuneate incident
> where my right hand contaced
> a running prop (Not on an RC either). The prop is
> fine, but my hand will
> take a while to recover and now has less digits on
> it than it did 4 days ago
> at this time. I'm back from the hospital (this is
> the 1st time I've ever
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| Subject: | RV-8A baggage door lock |
Has anybody found any other system to latch the forward baggage door other
than Van's lock? I'm wondering if a Hartwell latch would be more secure?
Thanks
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| Subject: | Re: high temp cable ties |
I have been watching the cable tie debate with interest. Lots of things to
think about on both sides. My little bird is extremely well built (by someo
ne other than me so I can say that) it has cable ties and 590 + hours. Chec
king my little bird out I have noticed that the cable ties hav e abraded so
me paint. I have looked at a 6 just a couple hangers away with well over 20
00 hours, adle clamps and no abraded paint. I will be replacing the cable
ties with adle (however you spell it) clamps over time. It just seems bette
r to not have abraded paint. Anyone trying to decide is welcome to come ove
r and take a look if that will help you make a decision. Don't know what is
wright or wrong or acceptable in this case I just know what I have observe
d and the clamps appear at least to me to be a better choice.=0A =0AMike Di
van=0AAdopted - N64GH (RV6)=0ARV7 Builder - SLOW=0AEAA - 577486=0AFREEDOM I
S NOT FREE - THANK THE AMERICAN SOLDIER FOR YOURS!=0A=0A----- Original Mess
age ----=0AFrom: John W. Cox <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>=0ATo: rv-list@matroni
cs.com=0ASent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 6:41:46 PM=0ASubject: RE: RV-L
<johnwcox@pacificnw.com>=0A=0AI was dressed down "offline" by another post
er who was apparently also=0Aan EAA TC (which I did not know from the post)
. The value for all of=0Ayou reading is that everyone has opinions so make
your choices wisely.=0AMy presentation which was lost on many, yet remains
as follows.=0A=0AJust because someone has flown X years and Y hours withou
t the problem=0Arearing its ugly head, use some common sense when selecting
techniques=0Awhich are not officially supported. Choose wisely. The TWA 8
00 fiasco=0Ais throwing copious money and time at correcting conditions whi
ch "do=0Alead to failure in electrical systems and fuel distribution system
- due=0Ato aging aircraft". It is called "Forensic Pathology". As we are p
art of=0Athe OBAM community, those of us left flying after others have beco
me=0Ainsurance statistics pay for the mistakes of those who chose unwisely.
=0A=0AZip ties are cheap, quick and we can tend to be lazy. Do it once, do
it=0Aright stay safe. Seek a second or third set of eyes to inspect your
=0Awork when available. Don't get your technical advice from hangar=0Aflyi
ng. DARs serve a valuable service. If you think they are buying=0Aoff you
r pet project as safe, get it in writing with their signature and=0ADAR des
ignation number or don't make such a representation. You may=0Ajust be rea
ding more into the process that the FAA has granted with=0Atheir authority
to review your documents during that process.=0A=0ADon't even wind me up on
the subject of allowing purchasers of=0Aprofessional build Kitplanes (who
did not build it to 51% rules) to=0Aacquire a repairman's ticket and then m
aintain them in the same=0Ainsurance pool that I pay.=0A=0ANuff said. How
bout them Red Sox?=0A=0AJohn Cox=0ADo Not Archive=0A=0A-----Original Messag
e-----=0AFrom: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com=0A[mailto:owner-rv-list-s
erver@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen=0ASent: Wednesday, Septemb
er 19, 2007 4:28 PM=0ATo: rv-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: RV-List: hig
lym@aviating.com>=0A=0AJohn Cox put it very well. As the manufacturer, you
can do what you=0Awant.=0AA DAR not finding fault with something does NOT m
ean it is a good=0Apractice=0Aor even safe. I can tell you that as an IA,
every Tywrap found attached=0Aaround the engine mount on a TC aircraft wil
l be written up as a=0Adiscrepancy. Your plane, your experiment, you can do
am Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>=0A>=0A> Kelly McMullen wrote:=0A>> --> RV-Lis
t message posted by: "Kelly McMullen" <kellym@aviating.com>=0A>>=0A>> Regar
dless of the temps, it is not acceptable to use cable ties on an=0A>> engin
e mount tube. Oil and dirt get under it and start wearing the=0Atube.=0A>>
You need a pair of Adel clamps.=0A>=0A> True.=0A>=0A> However, the regular
ol' nylon zip ties in the engine compartment of=0Amy=0A> RV-6, some of whic
h are on mount tubes, were not only passed by the=0ADAR,=0A> but have stood
up just fine for eight years and 825 hours and have=0A> caused no damage.
=0A>=0A> Maybe it is because oil and dirt are not allowed in the engine=0A>
compartment of my plane. :-)=0A>=0A> Sam Buchanan=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A=0A
=====0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A ________________________
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Carl, check out some of the supplier sites for color options and info. i use
caswell plating (caswellplating.com) out of Rochester NY. they have a wealth
of information if your interested in doing it yourself or want to see what
colors are available. There are a couple chrome like options. if you prep
the pedals you really shouldn't pay more than 5-10 bucks apiece at a retail
shop as they only take 10 mins or so in a 400 deg oven to cure.
Steven dinieri
40205
iflyrv10.com
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Bell
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 10:02 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Brake Pedals
Mark,
What color did you use when you coated the brake pedals to look like chrome?
Who does this kind of painting and what is the charge for something like
this. BTW they look great. Thx Carl
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 9:09 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Brake Pedals
Carl,
I chose to powder coat my RV-10 pedals (they look more like
chrome in person). I have zero idea how long my pedals will stay in this
condition. My white painted RV-6A pedals don't look bad after 375 hours.
Attached are my RV-10 pedals.
Robin ndition10 pedals an from HumidTech
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