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1. 03:37 AM - Re: high temp cable ties (Scott)
2. 05:06 AM - Landing gear fairing cuff (George Tyler)
3. 05:45 AM - Re: high temp cable ties (Tom & Cathy Ervin)
4. 05:50 AM - Re: Landing gear fairing cuff (Michael W Stewart)
5. 06:16 AM - Possible Scam (rveighta)
6. 06:23 AM - Re: RV-8A baggage door lock (Paul Rice)
7. 06:24 AM - Re: Landing gear fairing cuff (Bob)
8. 06:35 AM - Re: high temp cable ties (Kelly McMullen)
9. 06:47 AM - Re: Brake Pedals (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
10. 06:56 AM - Re: Possible Scam (Michael W Stewart)
11. 07:08 AM - Re: Possible Scam (Richard Seiders)
12. 07:54 AM - Re: Possible Scam (Brian Kraut)
13. 08:11 AM - Re: Possible Scam (carlos)
14. 08:25 AM - Re: Brake Pedals (linn Walters)
15. 08:55 AM - Re: Possible Scam (Konrad L. Werner)
16. 09:13 AM - Re: Brake Pedals (Robin Marks)
17. 09:27 AM - Re: Possible Scam (Brian Kraut)
18. 09:36 AM - Re: Possible Scam (Konrad L. Werner)
19. 09:38 AM - Re: Possible Scam (Robin Marks)
20. 10:07 AM - Re: Possible Scam (Konrad L. Werner)
21. 10:28 AM - Re: Cornonado Airport (Bob)
22. 11:04 AM - Re: Landing gear fairing cuff (George Tyler)
23. 11:17 AM - Re: Cornonado Airport (Ron Lee)
24. 11:37 AM - Canopy part way open latch (Tim Bryan)
25. 11:49 AM - Re: Cornonado Airport (Stephen Fleming)
26. 11:59 AM - Re: Canopy part way open latch (Dale Walter)
27. 12:01 PM - Re: Canopy part way open latch (Ollie Washburn)
28. 12:22 PM - Re: Canopy part way open latch (Ralph E. Capen)
29. 12:46 PM - Re: Possible Scam (Mark Grieve)
30. 12:46 PM - Re: high temp cable ties (Sam Buchanan)
31. 12:48 PM - forsale Icom A200 (cbrxxdrv@aol.com)
32. 01:43 PM - Re: Possible Scam (Scott)
33. 01:51 PM - Re: Possible Scam (Scott)
34. 02:38 PM - Re: high temp cable ties (Ed)
35. 03:00 PM - Re: high temp cable ties (Sam Buchanan)
36. 03:40 PM - Re: Possible Scam (Michael Hilderbrand)
37. 04:35 PM - Re: high temp cable ties (Ed)
38. 04:59 PM - Re: Possible Scam (Ted French)
39. 07:37 PM - Re: high temp cable ties (Sam Buchanan)
40. 09:13 PM - A123 Systems Batteries in new Cessna (Bill Dube)
41. 11:39 PM - Re: A123 Systems Batteries in new Cessna (Greg Williams)
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| Subject: | Re: high temp cable ties |
Here's a link to AC 43-13-1B covering wiring bundles, etc. I do not
imagine it is required to be followed on experimentals, but it certainly
is a good guide...
http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/0/99c827db9baac81b86256b4500596c4e/$FILE/Chapter%2011.pdf
Hope this helps!
Scott
http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/
Gotta Fly or Gonna Die
Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version)
Mike Divan wrote:
> I have been watching the cable tie debate with interest. Lots of
> things to think about on both sides. My little bird is extremely well
> built (by someone other than me so I can say that) it has cable ties
> and 590 + hours. Checking my little bird out I have noticed that the
> cable ties hav e abraded some paint. I have looked at a 6 just a
> couple hangers away with well over 2000 hours, adle clamps and no
> abraded paint. I will be replacing the cable ties with adle (however
> you spell it) clamps over time. It just seems better to not have
> abraded paint. Anyone trying to decide is welcome to come over and
> take a look if that will help you make a decision. Don't know what is
> wright or wrong or acceptable in this case I just know what I have
> observed and the clamps appear at least to me to be a better choice.
>
> Mike Divan
> Adopted - N64GH (RV6)
> RV7 Builder - SLOW
> EAA - 577486
> FREEDOM IS NOT FREE - THANK THE AMERICAN SOLDIER FOR YOURS!
>
>
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| Subject: | Landing gear fairing cuff |
I didn't build my -6, so I hope one of you can help me. The fiberglass
cuff that closes the gap between the landing gear leg fairing and the
fuselage. are held in place by a spring and wire attachment. I assume it
was part of the original build plan. One of these springs broke and I
replaced with a similar looking hardware store spring. It did not last
one flight. Can anyone Identify the spring and a source? Thanks
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| Subject: | Re: high temp cable ties |
NO! How about those Indians!!!!!!!!
Tom in Ohio RV6-A
>>
> Nuff said. How bout them Red Sox?
>
> John Cox
> Do Not Archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 4:28 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: high temp cable ties
>
>
> John Cox put it very well. As the manufacturer, you can do what you
> want.
> A DAR not finding fault with something does NOT mean it is a good
> practice
> or even safe. I can tell you that as an IA, every Tywrap found attached
> around the engine mount on a TC aircraft will be written up as a
> discrepancy. Your plane, your experiment, you can do as you choose, at
> your own risk.
>
>>
>> Kelly McMullen wrote:
>>>
>>> Regardless of the temps, it is not acceptable to use cable ties on an
>>> engine mount tube. Oil and dirt get under it and start wearing the
> tube.
>>> You need a pair of Adel clamps.
>>
>> True.
>>
>> However, the regular ol' nylon zip ties in the engine compartment of
> my
>> RV-6, some of which are on mount tubes, were not only passed by the
> DAR,
>> but have stood up just fine for eight years and 825 hours and have
>> caused no damage.
>>
>> Maybe it is because oil and dirt are not allowed in the engine
>> compartment of my plane. :-)
>>
>> Sam Buchanan
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Landing gear fairing cuff |
It would not have been part of the original kit and is a design area le
ft
up to the builder.
Ace hardware in the aviation section is probably a good choice for
replacement springs.
Best,
Mike
"George Tyler"
<gptyler@metrocas
t.net>
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RV-List: Landing gear fairing cu
ff
09/20/2007 08:10
AM
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I didn't build my -6, so I hope one of you can help me. The fiberglass
cuff
that closes the gap between the landing gear leg fairing and the fusela
ge.
are held in place by a spring and wire attachment. I assume it was part
of
the original build plan. One of these springs broke and I replaced wit
h a
similar looking hardware store spring. It did not last one flight. Can
anyone Identify the spring and a source? Thanks
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All, I've had my RV-8A advertised in Trade-A-Plane now for a few weeks and recently
had an email dialogue with someone I believe to be a scam artist. Here's
what occurred:
The first inquiry from this person indicated he was very interested and asked what
type of payment would be acceptable - cashier's check, bank draft or bank
wire. His sentence structure and wording indicated to me that english was probably
not his native language. He also asked for some pictures via email which
I sent and I advised him that I had a CD disk with lots of pix, etc., which I
could send by snail mail if he would give me his address. That never happened.
Supposedly this person was in europe at the time attending a conference which was
to conclude in a few days, after which he could set up a date to come look
at the plane. His last email said that he could not personally check out the plane
because he had been reassigned to "western europe" - he then proposed that
an "inspection/moving representative" come by and look at the plane. In the
meantime, he would send me a "check/bankdraft" for $105K and I would deposit
to my bank account. I would keep 20% as a deposit on the plane and write a check
for the remainder to the representative to cover inspection and moving expenses.
When I received this last email, I replied that his method of payment was not acceptable
and that I would require a bank wire for 10% deposit and another bank
wire for the remainder if his representative found the plane to his liking,
and that any expenses by the representative would be a matter between that person
and the buyer. Since my last response I have heard nothing. It's possible
this guy was a bonafide buyer, but I seriously doubt it ........... In fact, I
spoke with a person in sales at TAP and was told they have heard of numerious
scams concerning the sale of aircraft.
Soooo, just passing it on, if you have an airplane for sale be very careful!
Walt Shipley RV-8, RV-8A
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| Subject: | Re: RV-8A baggage door lock |
Hey Mike,
I used the Van's system and if it is adjusted correctly, it really does
a good job of pulling the baggage door down tightly against the
supports. I also used John Huft's design for the hidden hinge, it
worked out very well and looks good. He has a link from the Vans web
sight.
Paul Rice
RV8 N64PR
45 hours
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael A Taylor<mailto:mktaylor@frontiernet.net>
To: rv-list@matronics.com<mailto:rv-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 10:36 PM
Subject: RV-List: RV-8A baggage door lock
Has anybody found any other system to latch the forward baggage door
other than Van's lock? I'm wondering if a Hartwell latch would be more
secure? Thanks
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List<http://www.matronics.com/Navig
ator?RV-List>
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| Subject: | Re: Landing gear fairing cuff |
I use two bolts with platenuts to hold mine on. One in front and one
on the side. Seems to work well and are easy to take off.
Bob
RV6 "Wicked Witch of the West"
At 07:49 AM 9/20/07, you wrote:
>It would not have been part of the original kit and is a design area
>left up to the builder.
>Ace hardware in the aviation section is probably a good choice for
>replacement springs.
>Best,
>Mike
>
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>RV-List: Landing gear fairing cuff
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>I didn't build my -6, so I hope one of you can help me. The
>fiberglass cuff that closes the gap between the landing gear leg
>fairing and the fuselage. are held in place by a spring and wire
>attachment. I assume it was part of the original build plan. One of
>these springs broke and I replaced with a similar looking hardware
>store spring. It did not last one flight. Can anyone Identify the
>spring and a source? Thanks
>
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| Subject: | Re: high temp cable ties |
What some folks have been missing in this discussion is that your engine
mount is rather important, and is designed for that single purpose. It is
not designed to be the hangar or mount for a bunch of other stuff.
Minimize what you attach to the mount by any means, and use the best
techniques you can if you feel you have to attach something to the mount.
Nuff said.
> I have been watching the cable tie debate with interest. Lots of things to
> think about on both sides. My little bird is extremely well built (by
> someone other than me so I can say that) it has cable ties and 590 +
> hours. Checking my little bird out I have noticed that the cable ties hav
> e abraded some paint. I have looked at a 6 just a couple hangers away with
> well over 2000 hours, adle clamps and no abraded paint. I will be
> replacing the cable ties with adle (however you spell it) clamps over
> time. It just seems better to not have abraded paint. Anyone trying to
> decide is welcome to come over and take a look if that will help you make
> a decision. Don't know what is wright or wrong or acceptable in this case
> I just know what I have observed and the clamps appear at least to me to
> be a better choice.
>
> Mike Divan
> Adopted - N64GH (RV6)
> RV7 Builder - SLOW
> EAA - 577486
> FREEDOM IS NOT FREE - THANK THE AMERICAN SOLDIER FOR YOURS!
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: John W. Cox <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 6:41:46 PM
> Subject: RE: RV-List: high temp cable ties
>
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Depending on how hands on you are or how much you are into collecting tools
, you can easily do small parts yourself. Here is a popular system with a
load of different powders....
http://www.eastwoodco.com/jump.jsp?itemID=412&itemType=PRODUCT&path=1
%2C2%2C458%2C459%2C460&KickerID=68&KICKER
http://www.eastwoodco.com/jump.jsp?itemID=845&itemType=CATEGORY
http://www.eastwoodco.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=18797&it
emType=PRODUCT&iMainCat=844&iSubCat=847&iProductID=18797
Michael Sausen
-10 Limbo
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matro
nics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Bell
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 9:02 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Brake Pedals
Mark,
What color did you use when you coated the brake pedals to look like chrome
? Who does this kind of painting and what is the charge for something like
this. BTW they look great. Thx Carl
________________________________
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matro
nics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 9:09 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Brake Pedals
Carl,
I chose to powder coat my RV-10 pedals (they look more like chr
ome in person). I have zero idea how long my pedals will stay in this condi
tion. My white painted RV-6A pedals don't look bad after 375 hours. Attache
d are my RV-10 pedals.
Robin ndition10 pedals an from HumidTech
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| Subject: | Re: Possible Scam |
Yes this is a scam.
Common and found on lots of items, not just airplanes.
The rep would have come by, you would have received a bank check.
Your check would have taken ~20 days to not clear, your stuff would be
gone
and no one to be found.
This happens often and has become a great way for folks to get merchand
ise.
I am surprised to see this on a plane though as this would take some do
ing
to pawn the parts and get it off your hands.
More common on motorcycles, TV's, cars, and other items than can fit in
a
container and be shipped.
I had one of these dudes actually come to pick up my scooter I was sell
ing
~$1k. I knew he was a scammer for the same reasons you mentioned below.
I
played along for entertainment factor.
Dude showed up in a moving truck, with lots of other items in it. He wa
s on
his way to Florida to dump his load. Dude took off before I could get t
he
cops there. I should have planned that better. Would have been nice to
see
him hauled off in cuffs.
Bank checks do not mean cleared checks I assure you.
Best,
Mike
do not archive.
rveighta
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nk.net>
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09/20/2007 09:15 RV-List: Possible Scam
AM
Please respond to
rv-list@matronics
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All, I've had my RV-8A advertised in Trade-A-Plane now for a few weeks
and
recently had an email dialogue with someone I believe to be a scam arti
st.
Here's what occurred:
The first inquiry from this person indicated he was very interested and
asked what type of payment would be acceptable - cashier's check, bank
draft or bank wire. His sentence structure and wording indicated to me
that
english was probably not his native language. He also asked for some
pictures via email which I sent and I advised him that I had a CD disk
with
lots of pix, etc., which I could send by snail mail if he would give me
his
address. That never happened.
Supposedly this person was in europe at the time attending a conference
which was to conclude in a few days, after which he could set up a date
to
come look at the plane. His last email said that he could not personall
y
check out the plane because he had been reassigned to "western europe"
- he
then proposed that an "inspection/moving representative" come by and lo
ok
at the plane. In the meantime, he would send me a "check/bankdraft" for
$105K and I would deposit to my bank account. I would keep 20% as a
deposit on the plane and write a check for the remainder to the
representative to cover inspection and moving expenses.
When I received this last email, I replied that his method of payment w
as
not acceptable and that I would require a bank wire for 10% deposit and
another bank wire for the remainder if his representative found the pla
ne
to his liking, and that any expenses by the representative would be a
matter between that person and the buyer. Since my last response I have
heard nothing. It's possible this guy was a bonafide buyer, but I serio
usly
doubt it ........... In fact, I spoke with a person in sales at TAP and
was
told they have heard of numerious scams concerning the sale of aircraft
.
Soooo, just passing it on, if you have an airplane for sale be very
careful!
Walt Shipley RV-8, RV-8A
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A friend of mine recently ran into another scam that I had not heard of
before. He went to look at a Beach Sierra that was advertized by a seller
in Florida. He ran the N number through the FAA database and saw that the
plane was registered to another guy in Texas. Seemed strange so he called
the seller who was even more surprised.
What they found out is that the guy in Texas saw the add and got the data on
the plane from the FAA web site then he wrote himself up a bill of sale and
registered the plane in his name. Then he took out a loan using the plane
as collateral. Luckily this was all found out and the feds notified before
someone from the bank cam and repossed the plane months later because the
loan was not being paid.
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Richard Seiders
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 10:06 AM
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV-List: Possible Scam
Happened to me selling on Barnstormers. (I didn't buy it) Deal is anytime
a party wants to give you a check larger than asking price, have an agent
deliver check, and then you are asked to give agent a check for the
difference it is a scam 99.99999999999% of the time.
Dick
At 09:55 AM 9/20/2007, you wrote:
Yes this is a scam.
Common and found on lots of items, not just airplanes.
The rep would have come by, you would have received a bank check.
Your check would have taken ~20 days to not clear, your stuff would be
gone and no one to be found.
This happens often and has become a great way for folks to get
merchandise.
I am surprised to see this on a plane though as this would take some
doing to pawn the parts and get it off your hands.
More common on motorcycles, TV's, cars, and other items than can fit in
a container and be shipped.
I had one of these dudes actually come to pick up my scooter I was
selling ~$1k. I knew he was a scammer for the same reasons you mentioned
below. I played along for entertainment factor.
Dude showed up in a moving truck, with lots of other items in it. He was
on his way to Florida to dump his load. Dude took off before I could get the
cops there. I should have planned that better. Would have been nice to see
him hauled off in cuffs.
Bank checks do not mean cleared checks I assure you.
Best,
Mike
do not archive.
rveighta <rveighta@earthlink.net>
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RV-List: Possible Scam
All, I've had my RV-8A advertised in Trade-A-Plane now for a few weeks
and recently had an email dialogue with someone I believe to be a scam
artist. Here's what occurred:
The first inquiry from this person indicated he was very interested and
asked what type of payment would be acceptable - cashier's check, bank draft
or bank wire. His sentence structure and wording indicated to me that
english was probably not his native language. He also asked for some
pictures via email which I sent and I advised him that I had a CD disk with
lots of pix, etc., which I could send by snail mail if he would give me his
address. That never happened.
Supposedly this person was in europe at the time attending a conference
which was to conclude in a few days, after which he could set up a date to
come look at the plane. His last email said that he could not personally
check out the plane because he had been reassigned to "western europe" - he
then proposed that an "inspection/moving representative" come by and look at
the plane. In the meantime, he would send me a "check/bankdraft" for $105K
and I would deposit to my bank account. I would keep 20% as a deposit on the
plane and write a check for the remainder to the representative to cover
inspection and moving expenses.
When I received this last email, I replied that his method of payment
was not acceptable and that I would require a bank wire for 10% deposit and
another bank wire for the remainder if his representative found the plane to
his liking, and that any expenses by the representative would be a matter
between that person and the buyer. Since my last response I have heard
nothing. It's possible this guy was a bonafide buyer, but I seriously doubt
it ........... In fact, I spoke with a person in sales at TAP and was told
they have heard of numerious scams concerning the sale of aircraft.
Soooo, just passing it on, if you have an airplane for sale be very
careful!
Walt Shipley RV-8, RV-8A
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| Subject: | Re: Possible Scam |
RED FLAG! RED FLAG!
Who in there right mind would want to give more money than the unit is
worth and then ask for you to cut a check to them? BS. I'm not a bank.
Carlos in AZ
Do not archive
Richard Seiders wrote:
> Happened to me selling on Barnstormers. (I didn't buy it) Deal is
> anytime a party wants to give you a check larger than asking price,
> have an agent deliver check, and then you are asked to give agent a
> check for the difference it is a scam 99.99999999999% of the time.
> Dick
>
>
> At 09:55 AM 9/20/2007, you wrote:
>
>> Yes this is a scam.
>> Common and found on lots of items, not just airplanes.
>> The rep would have come by, you would have received a bank check.
>> Your check would have taken ~20 days to not clear, your stuff would
>> be gone and no one to be found.
>> This happens often and has become a great way for folks to get
>> merchandise.
>> I am surprised to see this on a plane though as this would take some
>> doing to pawn the parts and get it off your hands.
>> More common on motorcycles, TV's, cars, and other items than can fit
>> in a container and be shipped.
>>
>> I had one of these dudes actually come to pick up my scooter I was
>> selling ~$1k. I knew he was a scammer for the same reasons you
>> mentioned below. I played along for entertainment factor.
>> Dude showed up in a moving truck, with lots of other items in it. He
>> was on his way to Florida to dump his load. Dude took off before I
>> could get the cops there. I should have planned that better. Would
>> have been nice to see him hauled off in cuffs.
>>
>> Bank checks do not mean cleared checks I assure you.
>>
>> Best,
>> Mike
>> do not archive.
>>
>>
>>
>> Inactive hide details for rveighta <rveighta@earthlink.net&g rveighta
>> <rveighta@earthlink.net>
>>
>> *rveighta <rveighta@earthlink.net>* Sent by:
>> owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>>
>> 09/20/2007 09:15 AM
>> Please respond to rv-list@matronics.com
>>
>> []
>> To
>>
>> "rv-list@matronics.com" <rv-list@matronics.com>
>> []
>> cc
>>
>> []
>> Subject
>>
>> RV-List: Possible Scam
>>
>>
>> All, I've had my RV-8A advertised in Trade-A-Plane now for a few
>> weeks and recently had an email dialogue with someone I believe to be
>> a scam artist. Here's what occurred:
>>
>> The first inquiry from this person indicated he was very interested
>> and asked what type of payment would be acceptable - cashier's check,
>> bank draft or bank wire. His sentence structure and wording indicated
>> to me that english was probably not his native language. He also
>> asked for some pictures via email which I sent and I advised him that
>> I had a CD disk with lots of pix, etc., which I could send by snail
>> mail if he would give me his address. That never happened.
>>
>> Supposedly this person was in europe at the time attending a
>> conference which was to conclude in a few days, after which he could
>> set up a date to come look at the plane. His last email said that he
>> could not personally check out the plane because he had been
>> reassigned to "western europe" - he then proposed that an
>> "inspection/moving representative" come by and look at the plane. In
>> the meantime, he would send me a "check/bankdraft" for $105K and I
>> would deposit to my bank account. I would keep 20% as a deposit on
>> the plane and write a check for the remainder to the representative
>> to cover inspection and moving expenses.
>>
>> When I received this last email, I replied that his method of payment
>> was not acceptable and that I would require a bank wire for 10%
>> deposit and another bank wire for the remainder if his representative
>> found the plane to his liking, and that any expenses by the
>> representative would be a matter between that person and the buyer.
>> Since my last response I have heard nothing. It's possible this guy
>> was a bonafide buyer, but I seriously doubt it ........... In fact, I
>> spoke with a person in sales at TAP and was told they have heard of
>> numerious scams concerning the sale of aircraft.
>>
>> Soooo, just passing it on, if you have an airplane for sale be very
>> careful!
>>
>> Walt Shipley RV-8, RV-8A
>>
>>
>> ====================================
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>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Brake Pedals |
I didn't look over the whole site, but Harbor Freight has the gun, oven,
and some colors of powder.
Linn
do not archive
RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
> Depending on how hands on you are or how much you are into collecting
> tools, you can easily do small parts yourself. Here is a popular
> system with a load of different powders....
>
>
>
> http://www.eastwoodco.com/jump.jsp?itemID=412&itemType=PRODUCT&path=1%2C2%2C458%2C459%2C460&KickerID=68&KICKER
> <http://www.eastwoodco.com/jump.jsp?itemID=412&itemType=PRODUCT&path=1%2C2%2C458%2C459%2C460&KickerID=68&KICKER>
>
>
>
> http://www.eastwoodco.com/jump.jsp?itemID=845&itemType=CATEGORY
> <http://www.eastwoodco.com/jump.jsp?itemID=845&itemType=CATEGORY>
>
>
>
> http://www.eastwoodco.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=18797&itemType=PRODUCT&iMainCat=844&iSubCat=847&iProductID=18797
>
>
>
> Michael Sausen
>
> -10 Limbo
>
>
>
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Bell
> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 9:02 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV-List: Brake Pedals
>
>
>
> Mark,
>
>
>
> What color did you use when you coated the brake pedals to look like
> chrome? Who does this kind of painting and what is the charge for
> something like this. BTW they look great. Thx Carl
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 9:09 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV-List: Brake Pedals
>
>
>
> Carl,
>
> I chose to powder coat my RV-10 pedals (they look more
> like chrome in person). I have zero idea how long my pedals will stay
> in this condition. My white painted RV-6A pedals don't look bad after
> 375 hours. Attached are my RV-10 pedals.
>
>
>
> Robin ndition10 pedals an from HumidTech
>
>
>
>; - The RV-List Email Forum -http://www.matronics.cobsp; - NEW MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List>
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| Subject: | Re: Possible Scam |
Dick,
I think the probability for it to be a scam is closer to 110%!!! Like
Mike said, it is somewhat entertaining though.....
How about taking the larger then asking price (although fake) check and
then simply disappear on the scammer.....
K.
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Seiders
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 8:05 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Possible Scam
Happened to me selling on Barnstormers. (I didn't buy it) Deal is
anytime a party wants to give you a check larger than asking price, have
an agent deliver check, and then you are asked to give agent a check for
the difference it is a scam 99.99999999999% of the time.
Dick
At 09:55 AM 9/20/2007, you wrote:
Yes this is a scam.
Common and found on lots of items, not just airplanes.
The rep would have come by, you would have received a bank check.
Your check would have taken ~20 days to not clear, your stuff would
be gone and no one to be found.
This happens often and has become a great way for folks to get
merchandise.
I am surprised to see this on a plane though as this would take some
doing to pawn the parts and get it off your hands.
More common on motorcycles, TV's, cars, and other items than can fit
in a container and be shipped.
I had one of these dudes actually come to pick up my scooter I was
selling ~$1k. I knew he was a scammer for the same reasons you mentioned
below. I played along for entertainment factor.
Dude showed up in a moving truck, with lots of other items in it. He
was on his way to Florida to dump his load. Dude took off before I could
get the cops there. I should have planned that better. Would have been
nice to see him hauled off in cuffs.
Bank checks do not mean cleared checks I assure you.
Best,
Mike
do not archive.
rveighta <rveighta@earthlink.net>
rveighta <rveighta@earthlink.net> Sent by:
owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
09/20/2007 09:15 AM
Please respond to rv-list@matronics.com
To
"rv-list@matronics.com" <rv-list@matronics.com>
cc
Subject
RV-List: Possible Scam
All, I've had my RV-8A advertised in Trade-A-Plane now for a few
weeks and recently had an email dialogue with someone I believe to be a
scam artist. Here's what occurred:
The first inquiry from this person indicated he was very interested
and asked what type of payment would be acceptable - cashier's check,
bank draft or bank wire. His sentence structure and wording indicated to
me that english was probably not his native language. He also asked for
some pictures via email which I sent and I advised him that I had a CD
disk with lots of pix, etc., which I could send by snail mail if he
would give me his address. That never happened.
Supposedly this person was in europe at the time attending a
conference which was to conclude in a few days, after which he could set
up a date to come look at the plane. His last email said that he could
not personally check out the plane because he had been reassigned to
"western europe" - he then proposed that an "inspection/moving
representative" come by and look at the plane. In the meantime, he would
send me a "check/bankdraft" for $105K and I would deposit to my bank
account. I would keep 20% as a deposit on the plane and write a check
for the remainder to the representative to cover inspection and moving
expenses.
When I received this last email, I replied that his method of
payment was not acceptable and that I would require a bank wire for 10%
deposit and another bank wire for the remainder if his representative
found the plane to his liking, and that any expenses by the
representative would be a matter between that person and the buyer.
Since my last response I have heard nothing. It's possible this guy was
a bonafide buyer, but I seriously doubt it ........... In fact, I spoke
with a person in sales at TAP and was told they have heard of numerious
scams concerning the sale of aircraft.
Soooo, just passing it on, if you have an airplane for sale be very
careful!
Walt Shipley RV-8, RV-8A
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Thanks Carl,
The pedals are powder coated not painted. I selected the
chrome color (and the blue) from a list of color choices making sure to
select powder coatings that had a high durability rating and had a UV
inhibitor component so they would not change color over time when
exposed to the sun. Using the powder coating material rated for
"exterior" is a good start.
As far as cost is concerned that may depend on who you
take your parts to however I have found that the biggest cost is the
first piece, if you have a selection of 12 parts all the same color it
probably will not cost much more than having one piece done since there
is a bit of set up involved and spraying 12 parts on a rack is just
about as easy as spraying one part.
I know there are MANY people on the list more qualified
to discuss this process on the list me but if cost is a concern or you
are one of the "do everything yourself types" then you can powder coat
(PC) your parts yourself relatively inexpensively. I own a manufacturing
facility and we set up a PC booth out of half a refrigerator box and
coat hangers. One can buy a PC gun on eBay new for $100.00 and the
actual powder is inexpensive. The only problem is that a sprayed part
needs to be baked in an oven for 10-20 minutes at 350-400 degrees (time
& temp specified by powder manufacturer). It is not difficult to get
good at this but I warn you that once you start it's hard to stop powder
coating things. Also note that the oven should not be used for food once
it has been used for powder coating.
I have purchased PC powder from this company for some
home furnishing projects. Ebay is also a good source for powder.
https://www.pendrypowdercoatings.com/shop/index.php?osCsid=949392b82a9d
5
6a221209d308cdf6b23
Good luck,
Robin Marks
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All that will get you is a $25 charge from your bank when the check bounces.
>> How about taking the larger then asking price (although fake) check and
then simply
>> disappear on the scammer.....
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
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| Subject: | Re: Possible Scam |
Brian,
Entertainment is not always free, heck the movies cost you money too.
And who said that I'd even try to cash it. Frame it and put it on the
wall.
There is nothing wrong with wasting a scammers valuable scam time...
Konrad
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Kraut
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 10:26 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Possible Scam
All that will get you is a $25 charge from your bank when the check
bounces.
>> How about taking the larger then asking price (although fake) check
and then simply
>> disappear on the scammer.....
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
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The good news is that this only represented a financial scam...
A friend of a friend was selling his mint condition Arizona
based Baron. He received a call from an interested party and took them
up for a flight. They never returned. Long story/short. The "buyer" had
been released from prison the day before; he got cleaned up and started
placing calls to purchase an airplane. Apparently on the demo flight the
convict either killed or disabled the seller then landed in the desert
where he may have finished the job and dumped the body. The owner was
missing for about 4 weeks (from my recollection). The authorities found
the body around the same time the convict was caught in the process of
committing another crime in another state. The authorities has no idea
that this was a crime as it looked more like a missing plane in the
desert. Because of the relatively short time between first call and the
flight very few people were in the loop as to who the "buyer" was and
what the plans were relative to the demo flight. Basically no one knew
this was a "plane jacking" till his body was discovered.
There are many lessons here but I don't know where to begin to
discuss them.
Let's be careful out there,
Robin
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| Subject: | Re: Possible Scam |
Dear Robin,
Unfortunately, your story it true...
The plane ended up at the (now closed) Coronado Airport here in
Albuquerque, NM, with the victims blood all over the interior...
Always remember: If it sounds to good to be true, it probably is...
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Robin Marks
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 10:37 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Possible Scam
The good news is that this only represented a financial scam...
A friend of a friend was selling his mint condition Arizona
based Baron. He received a call from an interested party and took them
up for a flight. They never returned. Long story/short. The "buyer"
had
been released from prison the day before; he got cleaned up and
started
placing calls to purchase an airplane. Apparently on the demo flight
the
convict either killed or disabled the seller then landed in the desert
where he may have finished the job and dumped the body. The owner was
missing for about 4 weeks (from my recollection). The authorities
found
the body around the same time the convict was caught in the process of
committing another crime in another state. The authorities has no idea
that this was a crime as it looked more like a missing plane in the
desert. Because of the relatively short time between first call and
the
flight very few people were in the loop as to who the "buyer" was and
what the plans were relative to the demo flight. Basically no one knew
this was a "plane jacking" till his body was discovered.
There are many lessons here but I don't know where to begin to
discuss them.
Let's be careful out there,
Robin
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| Subject: | Re: Cornonado Airport |
When did they close Coronado and why? I used to fly in NM, my RV
spent much of it's live in NM before it was completed.. Always hate
to hear of airport closures.
Bob
RV6 "Wicked Witch of the West"
At 12:07 PM 9/20/07, you wrote:
>Dear Robin,
>Unfortunately, your story it true...
>The plane ended up at the (now closed) Coronado Airport here in
>Albuquerque, NM, with the victims blood all over the interior...
>
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| Subject: | Landing gear fairing cuff |
Thanks for the info. I was hoping someone would tell me what they did if
not the spring.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Landing gear fairing cuff
I use two bolts with platenuts to hold mine on. One in front and one
on the side. Seems to work well and are easy to take off.
Bob
RV6 "Wicked Witch of the West"
At 07:49 AM 9/20/07, you wrote:
>It would not have been part of the original kit and is a design area
>left up to the builder.
>Ace hardware in the aviation section is probably a good choice for
>replacement springs.
>Best,
>Mike
>
>Inactive hide details for "George Tyler" <gptyler@
>"George Tyler" <gptyler@metrocast.net>
>
>"George Tyler" <gptyler@metrocast.net> Sent by:
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>09/20/2007 08:10 AM
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>
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>
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>[]
>
>cc
>
>[]
>
>Subject
>
>RV-List: Landing gear fairing cuff
>
>I didn't build my -6, so I hope one of you can help me. The
>fiberglass cuff that closes the gap between the landing gear leg
>fairing and the fuselage. are held in place by a spring and wire
>attachment. I assume it was part of the original build plan. One of
>these springs broke and I replaced with a similar looking hardware
>store spring. It did not last one flight. Can anyone Identify the
>spring and a source? Thanks
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cornonado Airport |
If that is at the north edge of Albuquerque, it has been several years.
Consider AEG
Ron Lee
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob" <panamared5@brier.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Cornonado Airport
>
> When did they close Coronado and why? I used to fly in NM, my RV
> spent much of it's live in NM before it was completed.. Always hate
> to hear of airport closures.
>
> Bob
> RV6 "Wicked Witch of the West"
>
>
> At 12:07 PM 9/20/07, you wrote:
>>Dear Robin,
>>Unfortunately, your story it true...
>>The plane ended up at the (now closed) Coronado Airport here in
>>Albuquerque, NM, with the victims blood all over the interior...
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Canopy part way open latch |
Hi all,
I don't have any locks on my canopy but would like to put a latch of some
kind where it would stay open just about 4 inches. The problem is when I am
taxing I like to leave it ajar so I can get the breeze in. It doesn't
really stay there by itself as it tries to slide on back. It will stay if I
push it almost closed but then it is too easy to forget to latch it.
Does anybody have an idea or something they have done to put a small latch
inside for keeping it just a few inches open?
I am wondering about the stock locks that go in the canopy. They provide
for a means to lock in partly open as well but wasn't sure if that was
operable from inside without the key in the lock. Someday I may install the
stock lock system but it seemed so un-secure that I didn't really see the
point. I keep my plane in a hangar but when I travel it obviously is out on
the ramp.
Any ideas would be appreciated.
RV-6
Tim
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| Subject: | Re: Cornonado Airport |
Bob wrote:
>
> When did they close Coronado and why? I used to fly in NM, my RV
> spent much of it's live in NM before it was completed.. Always hate
> to hear of airport closures.
>
> Bob
> RV6 "Wicked Witch of the West"
The airport was on the Sandia Indian Reservation (they bought it in 1994
under a corporation name not clearly associated at the time with the
tribe) and they no longer wanted it. The reason given was closure for
'safety'. That sort of was true....they subsequently built a Casino just
NE of the approach end of runway 17 that would have had aircraft
overflying the facility.
Go to
http://www.airfields-freeman.com/NM/Airfields_NM_Albuquerque.html#coronado
where you can see an aerial photo of the airport and casino, and a link
to the 'official' explanation.
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| Subject: | Canopy part way open latch |
I cut cereal box cardboard in an L shape. The long part is .25" by 1.5". the
other part is the handle. One or 2 layers is enough thickness to keep my
slider from sliding when put under the roller and rolling it back. You can
cut and fold in such a way to get 2 or 3 layers, and one layer can be
shorter to keep the roller from going back. Like a mini wheel chock.
Dale
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Bryan
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 2:37 PM
Subject: RV-List: Canopy part way open latch
Hi all,
I don't have any locks on my canopy but would like to put a latch of some
kind where it would stay open just about 4 inches. The problem is when I am
taxing I like to leave it ajar so I can get the breeze in. It doesn't
really stay there by itself as it tries to slide on back. It will stay if I
push it almost closed but then it is too easy to forget to latch it.
Does anybody have an idea or something they have done to put a small latch
inside for keeping it just a few inches open?
I am wondering about the stock locks that go in the canopy. They provide
for a means to lock in partly open as well but wasn't sure if that was
operable from inside without the key in the lock. Someday I may install the
stock lock system but it seemed so un-secure that I didn't really see the
point. I keep my plane in a hangar but when I travel it obviously is out on
the ramp.
Any ideas would be appreciated.
RV-6
Tim
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy part way open latch |
Tim,
I have a simple lock that has worked for years and is really simple,which
I need.
I took a piece of piano wire and put a small loop in one end for a screw
to fit through,then about 4-6 inchs from that I bent it 90* . I fastened
this to the front of canopy near the roller and drilled a hole through the
rail at the distance I wanted the canopy open. The 90* bend goes in this
hole and the canopy stays open.Simpler to do than try and explain.
Ollie 6A Central Fl.
On 9/20/07, Tim Bryan <n616tb@btsapps.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I don't have any locks on my canopy but would like to put a latch of some
> kind where it would stay open just about 4 inches. The problem is when I
> am
> taxing I like to leave it ajar so I can get the breeze in. It doesn't
> really stay there by itself as it tries to slide on back. It will stay if
> I
> push it almost closed but then it is too easy to forget to latch it.
>
> Does anybody have an idea or something they have done to put a small latch
> inside for keeping it just a few inches open?
>
>
> I am wondering about the stock locks that go in the canopy. They provide
> for a means to lock in partly open as well but wasn't sure if that was
> operable from inside without the key in the lock. Someday I may install
> the
> stock lock system but it seemed so un-secure that I didn't really see the
> point. I keep my plane in a hangar but when I travel it obviously is out
> on
> the ramp.
>
> Any ideas would be appreciated.
> RV-6
> Tim
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy part way open latch |
Check with the RV8 guys....when they're flying solo they wouldn't want that thing
sliding all the way back.
I've got a note in to my local -8 driver - I know he did his that way.
-----Original Message-----
>From: Tim Bryan <n616tb@btsapps.com>
>Sent: Sep 20, 2007 2:36 PM
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: Canopy part way open latch
>
>
>Hi all,
>
>I don't have any locks on my canopy but would like to put a latch of some
>kind where it would stay open just about 4 inches. The problem is when I am
>taxing I like to leave it ajar so I can get the breeze in. It doesn't
>really stay there by itself as it tries to slide on back. It will stay if I
>push it almost closed but then it is too easy to forget to latch it.
>
>Does anybody have an idea or something they have done to put a small latch
>inside for keeping it just a few inches open?
>
>
>I am wondering about the stock locks that go in the canopy. They provide
>for a means to lock in partly open as well but wasn't sure if that was
>operable from inside without the key in the lock. Someday I may install the
>stock lock system but it seemed so un-secure that I didn't really see the
>point. I keep my plane in a hangar but when I travel it obviously is out on
>the ramp.
>
>Any ideas would be appreciated.
>RV-6
>Tim
>
>
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Walt,
Glad you weren't taken in by this. I used to work for an ISP and we got
reports of this sort of thing left and right. Friends in banking and law
enforcement and they report the same. First time I've heard of this
being done for an airplane. Then again, maybe they just want the check
and not the plane. The newest Internet scam I am aware of is "free" pure
breed puppies if you pay $800 to have them shipped from Africa. They
would be full grown by the time they got through quarantine. Well, that
assumes the puppies exist at all.
Mark
rveighta wrote:
>
> All, I've had my RV-8A advertised in Trade-A-Plane now for a few weeks and recently
had an email dialogue with someone I believe to be a scam artist. Here's
what occurred:
>
> The first inquiry from this person indicated he was very interested and asked
what type of payment would be acceptable - cashier's check, bank draft or bank
wire. His sentence structure and wording indicated to me that english was probably
not his native language. He also asked for some pictures via email which
I sent and I advised him that I had a CD disk with lots of pix, etc., which
I could send by snail mail if he would give me his address. That never happened.
>
> Supposedly this person was in europe at the time attending a conference which
was to conclude in a few days, after which he could set up a date to come look
at the plane. His last email said that he could not personally check out the
plane because he had been reassigned to "western europe" - he then proposed that
an "inspection/moving representative" come by and look at the plane. In the
meantime, he would send me a "check/bankdraft" for $105K and I would deposit
to my bank account. I would keep 20% as a deposit on the plane and write a check
for the remainder to the representative to cover inspection and moving expenses.
>
> When I received this last email, I replied that his method of payment was not
acceptable and that I would require a bank wire for 10% deposit and another bank
wire for the remainder if his representative found the plane to his liking,
and that any expenses by the representative would be a matter between that person
and the buyer. Since my last response I have heard nothing. It's possible
this guy was a bonafide buyer, but I seriously doubt it ........... In fact,
I spoke with a person in sales at TAP and was told they have heard of numerious
scams concerning the sale of aircraft.
>
> Soooo, just passing it on, if you have an airplane for sale be very careful!
>
> Walt Shipley RV-8, RV-8A
>
>
>
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Mike Divan wrote:
> I have been watching the cable tie debate with interest. Lots of
> things to think about on both sides. My little bird is extremely well
> built (by someone other than me so I can say that) it has cable ties
> and 590 + hours. Checking my little bird out I have noticed that the
> cable ties hav e abraded some paint. I have looked at a 6 just a
> couple hangers away with well over 2000 hours, adle clamps and no
> abraded paint. I will be replacing the cable ties with adle (however
> you spell it) clamps over time. It just seems better to not have
> abraded paint. Anyone trying to decide is welcome to come over and
> take a look if that will help you make a decision. Don't know what is
> wright or wrong or acceptable in this case I just know what I have
> observed and the clamps appear at least to me to be a better choice.
Since my original post has been quoted on several of the replies in this
thread, I want to clear up a couple of things:
1) I agreed with the the person to whom I replied that adel clamps are
the preferred way to secure item to the engine mount tubes. I have
several adel clamps in my engine installation.
2) I disagree with the assertion that the use of cable ties will always
doom your engine mount to certain damage. Mine and the experience of
many other builders would invalidate this position.
Our engine compartments are monitored much more closely than many
certificated planes and we have ample opportunity to catch problems
before they become problems. If you have used cable ties to attach
wiring to the mount, then replacing them with adel clamps would
certainly be in keeping with certificated practice. But if the ties
remain in place, just keep an eye on them and replace them if/when you
see anything that bothers you.
Common sense rules. :-)
Sam Buchanan
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| Subject: | forsale Icom A200 |
On www.vansairforce.net there is a group buy for the new Icom A210. I have joined in on this
deal (They should cost around $1100 or so) . The A210 is a plug and play with the
A200 so I will be selling
my A200 with a new tray. I started using this new NON TSO A200 in Feb 2007. It
has worked great but I would
like the ability to monitor a standby freq. I think I paid around $700 for the
A200 and will be looking to sell
the A200 around $600 and I will pay ground shipping to the 48 states. The group
buy ends Oct 12 so I would think
the A200 will be shipped within 30 days of that time. I hate to let it sit on the
shelf waiting for the next project.
No money now......just someone that says they want it and I will contact you when
the new radio is here.
Any takers?
Sal Capra
N898SC? RV8
Lakeland FL
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| Subject: | Re: Possible Scam |
Sound like a scam to me. I don't understand why they would send more
than a down payment and ask you to refund a portion of the check unless
their $105K check was worthless and you sent off a check before that
fact would have been discovered. Sounds like you were alert and it was
good for you to insist on normal terms like they send you X% down and
the rest at delivery...
Scott
http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/
Gotta Fly or Gonna Die
Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version)
rveighta wrote:
>
>All, I've had my RV-8A advertised in Trade-A-Plane now for a few weeks and recently
had an email dialogue with someone I believe to be a scam artist. Here's
what occurred:
>
>The first inquiry from this person indicated he was very interested and asked
what type of payment would be acceptable - cashier's check, bank draft or bank
wire. His sentence structure and wording indicated to me that english was probably
not his native language. He also asked for some pictures via email which
I sent and I advised him that I had a CD disk with lots of pix, etc., which I
could send by snail mail if he would give me his address. That never happened.
>
>Supposedly this person was in europe at the time attending a conference which
was to conclude in a few days, after which he could set up a date to come look
at the plane. His last email said that he could not personally check out the
plane because he had been reassigned to "western europe" - he then proposed that
an "inspection/moving representative" come by and look at the plane. In the
meantime, he would send me a "check/bankdraft" for $105K and I would deposit
to my bank account. I would keep 20% as a deposit on the plane and write a check
for the remainder to the representative to cover inspection and moving expenses.
>
>When I received this last email, I replied that his method of payment was not
acceptable and that I would require a bank wire for 10% deposit and another bank
wire for the remainder if his representative found the plane to his liking,
and that any expenses by the representative would be a matter between that person
and the buyer. Since my last response I have heard nothing. It's possible
this guy was a bonafide buyer, but I seriously doubt it ........... In fact,
I spoke with a person in sales at TAP and was told they have heard of numerious
scams concerning the sale of aircraft.
>
>Soooo, just passing it on, if you have an airplane for sale be very careful!
>
>Walt Shipley RV-8, RV-8A
>
>
>
>
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The good news is that the bank wouldn't have shown up in Florida since
the guy who "transferred" the plane to himself in Texas and they would
have went looking there, but I suppose they eventually would have traced
it back to the "previous" owner in FL. Gawd, don't these scammers have
anything better to do than dream up crap like this? do not archive
Scott
http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/
Gotta Fly or Gonna Die
Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version)
Brian Kraut wrote:
> A friend of mine recently ran into another scam that I had not heard
> of before. He went to look at a Beach Sierra that was advertized by a
> seller in Florida. He ran the N number through the FAA database and
> saw that the plane was registered to another guy in Texas. Seemed
> strange so he called the seller who was even more surprised.
>
> What they found out is that the guy in Texas saw the add and got the
> data on the plane from the FAA web site then he wrote himself up a
> bill of sale and registered the plane in his name. Then he took out a
> loan using the plane as collateral. Luckily this was all found out
> and the feds notified before someone from the bank cam and repossed
> the plane months later because the loan was not being paid.
>
>
> Brian Kraut
> Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
> www.engalt.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Richard
> Seiders
> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 10:06 AM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Possible Scam
>
> Happened to me selling on Barnstormers. (I didn't buy it) Deal is
> anytime a party wants to give you a check larger than asking
> price, have an agent deliver check, and then you are asked to give
> agent a check for the difference it is a scam 99.99999999999% of
> the time.
> Dick
>
>
> At 09:55 AM 9/20/2007, you wrote:
>
>> Yes this is a scam.
>> Common and found on lots of items, not just airplanes.
>> The rep would have come by, you would have received a bank check.
>> Your check would have taken ~20 days to not clear, your stuff
>> would be gone and no one to be found.
>> This happens often and has become a great way for folks to get
>> merchandise.
>> I am surprised to see this on a plane though as this would take
>> some doing to pawn the parts and get it off your hands.
>> More common on motorcycles, TV's, cars, and other items than can
>> fit in a container and be shipped.
>>
>> I had one of these dudes actually come to pick up my scooter I
>> was selling ~$1k. I knew he was a scammer for the same reasons
>> you mentioned below. I played along for entertainment factor.
>> Dude showed up in a moving truck, with lots of other items in it.
>> He was on his way to Florida to dump his load. Dude took off
>> before I could get the cops there. I should have planned that
>> better. Would have been nice to see him hauled off in cuffs.
>>
>> Bank checks do not mean cleared checks I assure you.
>>
>> Best,
>> Mike
>> do not archive.
>>
>>
>>
>> Inactive hide details for rveighta <rveighta@earthlink.net&g
>> rveighta <rveighta@earthlink.net>
>>
>> rveighta <rveighta@earthlink.net> Sent
>> by: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>>
>> 09/20/2007 09:15 AM
>> Please respond to rv-list@matronics.com
>>
>> []
>> To
>>
>> "rv-list@matronics.com" <rv-list@matronics.com>
>> []
>> cc
>>
>> []
>> Subject
>>
>> RV-List: Possible Scam
>>
>>
>> All, I've had my RV-8A advertised in Trade-A-Plane now for a few
>> weeks and recently had an email dialogue with someone I believe
>> to be a scam artist. Here's what occurred:
>>
>> The first inquiry from this person indicated he was very
>> interested and asked what type of payment would be acceptable -
>> cashier's check, bank draft or bank wire. His sentence structure
>> and wording indicated to me that english was probably not his
>> native language. He also asked for some pictures via email which
>> I sent and I advised him that I had a CD disk with lots of pix,
>> etc., which I could send by snail mail if he would give me his
>> address. That never happened.
>>
>> Supposedly this person was in europe at the time attending a
>> conference which was to conclude in a few days, after which he
>> could set up a date to come look at the plane. His last email
>> said that he could not personally check out the plane because he
>> had been reassigned to "western europe" - he then proposed that
>> an "inspection/moving representative" come by and look at the
>> plane. In the meantime, he would send me a "check/bankdraft" for
>> $105K and I would deposit to my bank account. I would keep 20%
>> as a deposit on the plane and write a check for the remainder to
>> the representative to cover inspection and moving expenses.
>>
>> When I received this last email, I replied that his method of
>> payment was not acceptable and that I would require a bank wire
>> for 10% deposit and another bank wire for the remainder if his
>> representative found the plane to his liking, and that any
>> expenses by the representative would be a matter between that
>> person and the buyer. Since my last response I have heard
>> nothing. It's possible this guy was a bonafide buyer, but I
>> seriously doubt it ........... In fact, I spoke with a person in
>> sales at TAP and was told they have heard of numerious scams
>> concerning the sale of aircraft.
>>
>> Soooo, just passing it on, if you have an airplane for sale be
>> very careful!
>>
>> Walt Shipley RV-8, RV-8A
>>
>>
>> ====================================
>> tor?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List
>> ===========
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>> tp://forums.matronics.com
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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On the other hand, I have seen damage on our 6a caused by cable ties.
Most places, it just wore through the paint. Other places, it did some
some damage to the metal. We still have some cable ties, but now they
have tape or rubber hose between them and the engine mount. I highly
recommend protecting the engine mount from cable ties and any other
possible cause of chafing. Even if the metal isn't damaged, it is
unprotected from corrosion unless you chase it down, prime and paint it.
Pax,
Ed Holyoke
Sam Buchanan wrote:
>
> Mike Divan wrote:
>
>> I have been watching the cable tie debate with interest. Lots of
>> things to think about on both sides. My little bird is extremely well
>> built (by someone other than me so I can say that) it has cable ties
>> and 590 + hours. Checking my little bird out I have noticed that the
>> cable ties hav e abraded some paint. I have looked at a 6 just a
>> couple hangers away with well over 2000 hours, adle clamps and no
>> abraded paint. I will be replacing the cable ties with adle (however
>> you spell it) clamps over time. It just seems better to not have
>> abraded paint. Anyone trying to decide is welcome to come over and
>> take a look if that will help you make a decision. Don't know what is
>> wright or wrong or acceptable in this case I just know what I have
>> observed and the clamps appear at least to me to be a better choice.
>
>
> Since my original post has been quoted on several of the replies in
> this thread, I want to clear up a couple of things:
>
> 1) I agreed with the the person to whom I replied that adel clamps are
> the preferred way to secure item to the engine mount tubes. I have
> several adel clamps in my engine installation.
>
> 2) I disagree with the assertion that the use of cable ties will
> always doom your engine mount to certain damage. Mine and the
> experience of many other builders would invalidate this position.
>
> Our engine compartments are monitored much more closely than many
> certificated planes and we have ample opportunity to catch problems
> before they become problems. If you have used cable ties to attach
> wiring to the mount, then replacing them with adel clamps would
> certainly be in keeping with certificated practice. But if the ties
> remain in place, just keep an eye on them and replace them if/when you
> see anything that bothers you.
>
> Common sense rules. :-)
>
> Sam Buchanan
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: high temp cable ties |
Good grief......now my post to clear up how I was originally misquoted
has been misquoted.........
Guess I will just have to go hang myself with some oil-soaked, abraded
nylon cable ties..... ;-)
Sam Buchanan
======================
Ed wrote:
>
> On the other hand, I have seen damage on our 6a caused by cable ties.
> Most places, it just wore through the paint. Other places, it did some
> some damage to the metal. We still have some cable ties, but now they
> have tape or rubber hose between them and the engine mount. I highly
> recommend protecting the engine mount from cable ties and any other
> possible cause of chafing. Even if the metal isn't damaged, it is
> unprotected from corrosion unless you chase it down, prime and paint it.
>
> Pax,
>
> Ed Holyoke
>
> Sam Buchanan wrote:
>
>>
>> Mike Divan wrote:
>>
>>> I have been watching the cable tie debate with interest. Lots of
>>> things to think about on both sides. My little bird is extremely well
>>> built (by someone other than me so I can say that) it has cable ties
>>> and 590 + hours. Checking my little bird out I have noticed that the
>>> cable ties hav e abraded some paint. I have looked at a 6 just a
>>> couple hangers away with well over 2000 hours, adle clamps and no
>>> abraded paint. I will be replacing the cable ties with adle (however
>>> you spell it) clamps over time. It just seems better to not have
>>> abraded paint. Anyone trying to decide is welcome to come over and
>>> take a look if that will help you make a decision. Don't know what is
>>> wright or wrong or acceptable in this case I just know what I have
>>> observed and the clamps appear at least to me to be a better choice.
>>
>>
>>
>> Since my original post has been quoted on several of the replies in
>> this thread, I want to clear up a couple of things:
>>
>> 1) I agreed with the the person to whom I replied that adel clamps are
>> the preferred way to secure item to the engine mount tubes. I have
>> several adel clamps in my engine installation.
>>
>> 2) I disagree with the assertion that the use of cable ties will
>> always doom your engine mount to certain damage. Mine and the
>> experience of many other builders would invalidate this position.
>>
>> Our engine compartments are monitored much more closely than many
>> certificated planes and we have ample opportunity to catch problems
>> before they become problems. If you have used cable ties to attach
>> wiring to the mount, then replacing them with adel clamps would
>> certainly be in keeping with certificated practice. But if the ties
>> remain in place, just keep an eye on them and replace them if/when you
>> see anything that bothers you.
>>
>> Common sense rules. :-)
>>
>> Sam Buchanan
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| Subject: | Re: Possible Scam |
I had a similar situation trying to sell some of my RC stuff. This perosn
actually sent me a cashiers check! I took it to the bank and they looked i
nto the check, oh yeah, it was fraudulent! As long as they are out of the
country, I guess there is nothing a person can really do about it... buyer
beware! If it sounds fishy.. it probably is. =0A =0AMichael Hilderbrand
=0ADerby, Kansas=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: rveight
a <rveighta@earthlink.net>=0ATo: "rv-list@matronics.com" <rv-list@matronics
.com>=0ASent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 8:15:18 AM=0ASubject: RV-List: P
hlink.net>=0A=0AAll, I've had my RV-8A advertised in Trade-A-Plane now for
a few weeks and recently had an email dialogue with someone I believe to be
a scam artist. Here's what occurred:=0A=0AThe first inquiry from this pers
on indicated he was very interested and asked what type of payment would be
acceptable - cashier's check, bank draft or bank wire. His sentence struct
ure and wording indicated to me that english was probably not his native la
nguage. He also asked for some pictures via email which I sent and I advise
d him that I had a CD disk with lots of pix, etc., which I could send by sn
ail mail if he would give me his address. That never happened.=0A=0ASuppose
dly this person was in europe at the time attending a conference which was
to conclude in a few days, after which he could set up a date to come look
at the plane. His last email said that he could not personally check out th
e plane because he had been reassigned to "western europe" - he then propos
ed that an "inspection/moving representative" come by and look at the plane
. In the meantime, he would send me a "check/bankdraft" for $105K and I wo
uld deposit to my bank account. I would keep 20% as a deposit on the plane
and write a check for the remainder to the representative to cover inspecti
on and moving expenses.=0A=0AWhen I received this last email, I replied tha
t his method of payment was not acceptable and that I would require a bank
wire for 10% deposit and another bank wire for the remainder if his represe
ntative found the plane to his liking, and that any expenses by the represe
ntative would be a matter between that person and the buyer. Since my last
response I have heard nothing. It's possible this guy was a bonafide buyer,
but I seriously doubt it ........... In fact, I spoke with a person in sal
es at TAP and was told they have heard of numerious scams concerning the sa
le of aircraft.=0A=0ASoooo, just passing it on, if you have an airplane for
================
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| Subject: | Re: high temp cable ties |
Sorry Sam, if you think I misquoted you. Such was not my intent, and it
seems clear who said what in the quoted text. What I was trying to do
was to warn others that damage is indeed possible, even if not
inevitable, and to look for and treat it. Personally, I think prevention
is even better. Hanging seems so, so permanent somehow. Please don't do
it. We would all miss your advice and knowledge. ;-)
Pax,
Ed Holyoke
do not archive
Sam Buchanan wrote:
>
> Good grief......now my post to clear up how I was originally misquoted
> has been misquoted.........
>
> Guess I will just have to go hang myself with some oil-soaked, abraded
> nylon cable ties..... ;-)
>
> Sam Buchanan
>
> ======================
>
> Ed wrote:
>
>>
>> On the other hand, I have seen damage on our 6a caused by cable ties.
>> Most places, it just wore through the paint. Other places, it did
>> some some damage to the metal. We still have some cable ties, but now
>> they have tape or rubber hose between them and the engine mount. I
>> highly recommend protecting the engine mount from cable ties and any
>> other possible cause of chafing. Even if the metal isn't damaged, it
>> is unprotected from corrosion unless you chase it down, prime and
>> paint it.
>>
>> Pax,
>>
>> Ed Holyoke
>>
>> Sam Buchanan wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Mike Divan wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have been watching the cable tie debate with interest. Lots of
>>>> things to think about on both sides. My little bird is extremely well
>>>> built (by someone other than me so I can say that) it has cable ties
>>>> and 590 + hours. Checking my little bird out I have noticed that the
>>>> cable ties hav e abraded some paint. I have looked at a 6 just a
>>>> couple hangers away with well over 2000 hours, adle clamps and no
>>>> abraded paint. I will be replacing the cable ties with adle (however
>>>> you spell it) clamps over time. It just seems better to not have
>>>> abraded paint. Anyone trying to decide is welcome to come over and
>>>> take a look if that will help you make a decision. Don't know what is
>>>> wright or wrong or acceptable in this case I just know what I have
>>>> observed and the clamps appear at least to me to be a better choice.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Since my original post has been quoted on several of the replies in
>>> this thread, I want to clear up a couple of things:
>>>
>>> 1) I agreed with the the person to whom I replied that adel clamps
>>> are the preferred way to secure item to the engine mount tubes. I
>>> have several adel clamps in my engine installation.
>>>
>>> 2) I disagree with the assertion that the use of cable ties will
>>> always doom your engine mount to certain damage. Mine and the
>>> experience of many other builders would invalidate this position.
>>>
>>> Our engine compartments are monitored much more closely than many
>>> certificated planes and we have ample opportunity to catch problems
>>> before they become problems. If you have used cable ties to attach
>>> wiring to the mount, then replacing them with adel clamps would
>>> certainly be in keeping with certificated practice. But if the ties
>>> remain in place, just keep an eye on them and replace them if/when
>>> you see anything that bothers you.
>>>
>>> Common sense rules. :-)
>>>
>>> Sam Buchanan
>>
>
>
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I also am selling my RV-10. I had an enquiry and sent some info . The following
is the response I recieved.....
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Good day Edwin L French ,
Thanks for the mail and the brife explianation,i am very sorry forgetting back
to you so late I had to enquire if this is okay by my customer and he did made
me understand that the condition is okay by her and she had agree to pay you
( $250,000 ) as or payment I have an associate in Switerland who I will instruct
to issue Out payment to you , I will instruct him to Issue out payment to
out U.S Certified Casher's Check so that we can complete this deal as soon as
possible.I will instruct him to issue out the sum of ( $350,950 ) this will
cover it's price and the shipping,as soon as the payment is in your possesion
i will like you to deduct it's price and wire the rest balance to my shipping
agent that will arrange for the pick up . So i will like you to get back to me
with your full name and contact address as to where payment will be sent to,is
as follow ....
FULL NAME...........
ADDRESS........
STATE .....
CITY.........
ZIP CODE.....
COUNTRY.......
CELL PHONE.......#
PHONE............#
Your immediate reasponse will be highly be appreciated. pls do forward it to me
NB:Please i will like you to go ahead and delete the advertisment from the internet
because am really interested to purchase the items from your side and
get back to me with your full details request sooner.
I need your quick response..
Kind Regards
-----------------------------------------------------
I did not send any more info and took took the e-mail and tracking info to the
RCMP for further perusal.
Do Not Archive
Ted French C-FXCS
RV-10 Flying
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of rveighta
Sent: September 20, 2007 6:15 AM
Subject: RV-List: Possible Scam
All, I've had my RV-8A advertised in Trade-A-Plane now for a few weeks and recently
had an email dialogue with someone I believe to be a scam artist. Here's
what occurred:
The first inquiry from this person indicated he was very interested and asked what
type of payment would be acceptable - cashier's check, bank draft or bank
wire. His sentence structure and wording indicated to me that english was probably
not his native language. He also asked for some pictures via email which
I sent and I advised him that I had a CD disk with lots of pix, etc., which I
could send by snail mail if he would give me his address. That never happened.
Supposedly this person was in europe at the time attending a conference which was
to conclude in a few days, after which he could set up a date to come look
at the plane. His last email said that he could not personally check out the plane
because he had been reassigned to "western europe" - he then proposed that
an "inspection/moving representative" come by and look at the plane. In the
meantime, he would send me a "check/bankdraft" for $105K and I would deposit
to my bank account. I would keep 20% as a deposit on the plane and write a check
for the remainder to the representative to cover inspection and moving expenses.
When I received this last email, I replied that his method of payment was not acceptable
and that I would require a bank wire for 10% deposit and another bank
wire for the remainder if his representative found the plane to his liking,
and that any expenses by the representative would be a matter between that person
and the buyer. Since my last response I have heard nothing. It's possible
this guy was a bonafide buyer, but I seriously doubt it ........... In fact, I
spoke with a person in sales at TAP and was told they have heard of numerious
scams concerning the sale of aircraft.
Soooo, just passing it on, if you have an airplane for sale be very careful!
Walt Shipley RV-8, RV-8A
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| Subject: | Re: high temp cable ties |
Ed wrote:
>
> Sorry Sam, if you think I misquoted you. Such was not my intent, and it
> seems clear who said what in the quoted text. What I was trying to do
> was to warn others that damage is indeed possible, even if not
> inevitable, and to look for and treat it. Personally, I think prevention
> is even better. Hanging seems so, so permanent somehow. Please don't do
> it. We would all miss your advice and knowledge. ;-)
Thanks for intervening, Ed. ;-) I shall put away the nasty cable ties
and press on to fight another day.
Sam Buchanan
Obviously do not archive this foolishness
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| Subject: | A123 Systems Batteries in new Cessna |
Here is a link to the article:
http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/home/index.jsp?ndmViewId=news_view&ndmConfigId=1000001&newsId 070919005033&newsLang=en
Cessna is going to use A123 Systems Nano-phosphate batteries in their jets.
These are the same batteries I use in my electric drag bike. As I
said over a year ago, these are prefect batteries for aircraft
applications. Lightweight, enormous power, lots of energy, about 4 to
5 times the cycle life, and safer than other battery technologies.
Basically, you forget everything you thought you knew about
batteries. These are an enormous leap forward.
I made a 3.5 lb 12 volt battery for my GMC van from A123 Systems
cells to replace the original 35 lb battery. 720 cranking amps. No joke.
Bill Dube'
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| Subject: | Re: A123 Systems Batteries in new Cessna |
How do I get one for my RV-7 ?
On 9/20/07, Bill Dube <billdube@killacycle.com> wrote:
>
>
> Here is a link to the article:
>
> http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/home/index.jsp?ndmViewId=news_view&ndmConfigId=1000001&newsId 070919005033&newsLang=en
>
> Cessna is going to use A123 Systems Nano-phosphate batteries in their
> jets.
>
> These are the same batteries I use in my electric drag bike. As I
> said over a year ago, these are prefect batteries for aircraft
> applications. Lightweight, enormous power, lots of energy, about 4 to
> 5 times the cycle life, and safer than other battery technologies.
> Basically, you forget everything you thought you knew about
> batteries. These are an enormous leap forward.
>
> I made a 3.5 lb 12 volt battery for my GMC van from A123 Systems
> cells to replace the original 35 lb battery. 720 cranking amps. No joke.
>
> Bill Dube'
>
>
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