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1. 01:06 AM - Re: Brake Pedals (Steven DiNieri)
2. 05:32 AM - Re: high temp cable ties (n801bh@netzero.com)
3. 06:07 AM - Re: Possible Scam (Chuck Jensen)
4. 07:19 AM - Re: high temp cable ties - now - engine mount stresses (Jeff Dowling)
5. 07:29 AM - Re: high temp cable ties - now - engine mount stresses (Tim Bryan)
6. 07:31 AM - Re: high temp cable ties (Jeff Dowling)
7. 08:49 AM - Re: A123 Systems Batteries in new Cessna (Greg B Arehart)
8. 08:57 AM - Re: A123 Systems Batteries in new Cessna (Bill Dube)
9. 02:45 PM - Re: high temp cable ties (Kevin Horton)
10. 06:09 PM - CHT accuracy (sarg314)
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the harbor freight oven works very well as does the application gun, but the
powder is not of the same quality as the powders offered from pro
suppliers.i still can't get them to lay right.......steve
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of linn Walters
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 11:2
Subject: Re: RV-List: Brake Pedals
I didn't look over the whole site, but Harbor Freight has the gun, oven, and
some colors of powder.
Linn
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RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
Depending on how hands on you are or how much you are into collecting tools,
you can easily do small parts yourself. Here is a popular system with a
load of different powders..
http://www.eastwoodco.com/jump.jsp?itemID=412
<http://www.eastwoodco.com/jump.jsp?itemID=412&itemType=PRODUCT&path=1%2C2%2
C458%2C459%2C460&KickerID=68&KICKER>
&itemType=PRODUCT&path=1%2C2%2C458%2C459%2C460&KickerID=68&KICKER
http://www.eastwoodco.com/jump.jsp?itemID=845
<http://www.eastwoodco.com/jump.jsp?itemID=845&itemType=CATEGORY>
&itemType=CATEGORY
http://www.eastwoodco.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=18797
<http://www.eastwoodco.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=18797&item
Type=PRODUCT&iMainCat=844&iSubCat=847&iProductID=18797>
&itemType=PRODUCT&iMainCat=844&iSubCat=847&iProductID=18797
Michael Sausen the same quali
-10 Limbo
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Bell
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 9:02 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Brake Pedals
Mark,
What color did you use when you coated the brake pedals to look like chrome?
Who does this kind of painting and what is the charge for something like
this. BTW they look great. Thx Carl
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 9:09 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Brake Pedals
Carl,
I chose to powder coat my RV-10 pedals (they look more like
chrome in person). I have zero idea how long my pedals will stay in this
condition. My white painted RV-6A pedals don't look bad after 375 hours.
Attached are my RV-10 pedals.
Robin ndition10 pedals an from HumidTech
; - The RV-List Email Forum -http://www.matronics.cobsp;
<http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List> - NEW MATRONICS WEB
FORUMS -href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: high temp cable ties |
Gosh Sam,,, Remember. if you do want to file your last flight plan try t
o use the new and improved " Dr Jack Kevorkian" style Adel hanging noose
. It will cause alot less abrasions and make it easier for the medical e
xaminer to establish the cause of passing. You will probably be safe tho
ugh because LocMart will lose your final flight plan. <G>
Ben. do not archive
d what in the quoted text. What I was trying to do
> was to warn others that damage is indeed possible, even if not
> inevitable, and to look for and treat it. Personally, I think preventi
on
> is even better. Hanging seems so, so permanent somehow. Please don't d
o
> it. We would all miss your advice and knowledge. ;-)
Thanks for intervening, Ed. ;-) I shall put away the nasty cable ties
and press on to fight another day.
Sam Buchanan
Obviously do not archive this foolishness
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---Gawd, don't these scammers have anything better to do than dream up
crap like this?---
Well, not really. It's a full time job and can be quite lucrative if
they are good at it...and we are bad at it. The Nigerian "we have money
we want to send you, all we need is your bank account number to send it
to" is a scam that was good for about $35,000,000 last year. P.T.
Barnum had the situation covered in his famous saying. Make sure they
skip your minute.
Chuck
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| Subject: | Re: high temp cable ties - now - engine mount stresses |
One easy trick is to buy a bunch of different diameter plastic tubing
and cut small sections to wrap around your engine mount before using
your tie wrap.
Shemp/Jeff Dowling
RV-6A, N915JD
325 hours
Chicago
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry James
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 4:08 PM
Subject: RV-List: high temp cable ties - now - engine mount stresses
Wow, I've never heard of this before .. And it makes sense.
>>Time: 04:09:34 AM PST US
>>Subject: Re: RV-List: high temp cable ties
>>From: "Kelly McMullen" <kellym@aviating.com>
>>
>>Regardless of the temps, it is not acceptable to use cable ties on
an
>>engine mount tube. Oil and dirt get under it and start wearing the
tube.
>>You need a pair of Adel clamps.
>>KM
>>A&P/IA
So this leads me to two more questions:
1) Given the Engine Mount is a highly stressed piece;
is it acceptable to weld a tab so that something can be bolted to it ??
2) How about Electroless Nickel Plating ???
Larry E. James
Bellevue, WA
Super Decathlon (flying)
Rocket (under contruction - way too long)
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| Subject: | high temp cable ties - now - engine mount stresses |
I used a length of automotive heater hose split lengthwise. It actually has
threads in it like a tire and there is no way a tie wrap will cut through
that in my lifetime. I think it would be a long time before it cut through
the plastic tubing as well.
Tim
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Dowling
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 9:18 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: high temp cable ties - now - engine mount stresses
One easy trick is to buy a bunch of different diameter plastic tubing and
cut small sections to wrap around your engine mount before using your tie
wrap.
Shemp/Jeff Dowling
RV-6A, N915JD
325 hours
Chicago
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry James <mailto:larry@ncproto.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 4:08 PM
Subject: RV-List: high temp cable ties - now - engine mount stresses
Wow, I've never heard of this before .. And it makes sense.
>>Time: 04:09:34 AM PST US
>>Subject: Re: RV-List: high temp cable ties
>>From: "Kelly McMullen" <kellym@aviating.com>
>>
>>Regardless of the temps, it is not acceptable to use cable ties on an
>>engine mount tube. Oil and dirt get under it and start wearing the tube.
>>You need a pair of Adel clamps.
>>KM
>>A&P/IA
So this leads me to two more questions:
1) Given the Engine Mount is a highly stressed piece; is it
acceptable to weld a tab so that something can be bolted to it ??
2) How about Electroless Nickel Plating ???
Larry E. James
Bellevue, WA
Super Decathlon (flying)
Rocket (under contruction - way too long)
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/N
avigator?RV-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: high temp cable ties |
I see tie wraps on certified planes all the time. What gives?
Shemp/Jeff Dowling
RV-6A, N915JD
325 hours
Chicago
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kelly McMullen" <kellym@aviating.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: high temp cable ties
>
> John Cox put it very well. As the manufacturer, you can do what you want.
> A DAR not finding fault with something does NOT mean it is a good practice
> or even safe. I can tell you that as an IA, every Tywrap found attached
> around the engine mount on a TC aircraft will be written up as a
> discrepancy. Your plane, your experiment, you can do as you choose, at
> your own risk.
>
>>
>> Kelly McMullen wrote:
>>>
>>> Regardless of the temps, it is not acceptable to use cable ties on an
>>> engine mount tube. Oil and dirt get under it and start wearing the tube.
>>> You need a pair of Adel clamps.
>>
>> True.
>>
>> However, the regular ol' nylon zip ties in the engine compartment of my
>> RV-6, some of which are on mount tubes, were not only passed by the DAR,
>> but have stood up just fine for eight years and 825 hours and have
>> caused no damage.
>>
>> Maybe it is because oil and dirt are not allowed in the engine
>> compartment of my plane. :-)
>>
>> Sam Buchanan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: A123 Systems Batteries in new Cessna |
Bill,
The link you posted did not work for me, but the A123 website is:
http://www.a123systems.com/newsite/index.php#/products/cells32series/
There is no pricing or ordering info on the website (unless you are a
high-volume OEM customer) - can you give me (us) an idea of what these
cost and where to get them?
Greg Arehart
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| Subject: | Re: A123 Systems Batteries in new Cessna |
The trouble is that no one wants to take on the liability of
marketing to experimental aircraft.
While these batteries, overall, are safer than other types of
batteries, they still are batteries that store energy and have some
hazards. These hazards are less, but different. This is all you need
in a courtroom to get the traction you need with a jury for a
successful lawsuit.
Folks are coming out with 12 volt batteries that use these exact
cells for other applications. They won't sell you them for an
airplane, but they will sell them for your car stereo, race car, or
computer back-up power supply, etc.
Just like you go down to NAPA and buy an electric fuel pump
for your tractor.
Bill Dube'
At 12:38 AM 9/21/2007, you wrote:
>How do I get one for my RV-7 ?
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| Subject: | Re: high temp cable ties |
Did they have tie wraps to the engine mount when they were delivered
from the factory, or where they added later?
Kevin Horton
On 21 Sep 2007, at 10:27, Jeff Dowling wrote:
> <shempdowling2@earthlink.net>
>
> I see tie wraps on certified planes all the time. What gives?
>
> Shemp/Jeff Dowling
> RV-6A, N915JD
> 325 hours
> Chicago
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelly McMullen"
> <kellym@aviating.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 6:28 PM
> Subject: Re: RV-List: high temp cable ties
>
>
>>
>> John Cox put it very well. As the manufacturer, you can do what
>> you want.
>> A DAR not finding fault with something does NOT mean it is a good
>> practice
>> or even safe. I can tell you that as an IA, every Tywrap found
>> attached
>> around the engine mount on a TC aircraft will be written up as a
>> discrepancy. Your plane, your experiment, you can do as you
>> choose, at
>> your own risk.
>>
>>>
>>> Kelly McMullen wrote:
>>>> <kellym@aviating.com>
>>>>
>>>> Regardless of the temps, it is not acceptable to use cable ties
>>>> on an
>>>> engine mount tube. Oil and dirt get under it and start wearing
>>>> the tube.
>>>> You need a pair of Adel clamps.
>>>
>>> True.
>>>
>>> However, the regular ol' nylon zip ties in the engine compartment
>>> of my
>>> RV-6, some of which are on mount tubes, were not only passed by
>>> the DAR,
>>> but have stood up just fine for eight years and 825 hours and have
>>> caused no damage.
>>>
>>> Maybe it is because oil and dirt are not allowed in the engine
>>> compartment of my plane. :-)
>>>
>>> Sam Buchanan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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My old old VM1000 which sat in a box for about 6 years is running now
and showing 15 - 20 deg. F low readings on CHT3. (Using 160 - 190 deg.
water to test the with.) I've swapped cables and thermocouples and even
the socketted multiplexor chips that the thermocouples connect to. The
low readings always stay with CHT3. The same cable connected to a
different channel works OK.
In talking to what's left of vision micro, the guy seemed to not be too
disturbed by a 20 deg. error. A 5 deg. error would certainly not be a
problem, but I think 20 deg. is getting too big for a parameter that you
want to see stay below 400 deg. What kind of accuracy do people
normally expect in CHT readings?
Tom Sargent,
RV-6A, electrical system.
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