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1. 07:22 AM - Re: My losing fight with a prop (dougpflyrv@aol.com)
2. 07:23 AM - Brake Pedals (PeterHunt1@aol.com)
3. 03:21 PM - The Memphis 100 Air Race (Jeff Linebaugh)
4. 04:19 PM - RV9 tail kit (John Harrison)
5. 05:05 PM - Re: Firewall insulation for heat and sound (Dave Cudney)
6. 05:49 PM - Re: Re: Firewall insulation for heat and sound (Tailgummer@aol.com)
7. 06:18 PM - Re: Re: Firewall insulation for heat and sound (Steve Struyk)
8. 06:23 PM - Re: Re: Firewall insulation for heat and sound (Bobby Hester)
9. 06:33 PM - Re: Re: Firewall insulation for heat and sound (Bret Smith)
10. 06:39 PM - Re: Re: Firewall insulation for heat and sound (Spprtypilot)
11. 06:45 PM - Re: Re: Firewall insulation for heat and sound (Richard Dudley)
12. 07:21 PM - Re: Re: Firewall insulation for heat and sound (Darrell Reiley)
13. 08:09 PM - Re: Re: Firewall insulation for heat and sound (Vanremog@aol.com)
14. 08:29 PM - Re: Re: Firewall insulation for heat and sound (Vanremog@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: My losing fight with a prop |
STEIN, SORRY TO HEAR ABOUT YOUR ACCIDENT. SO GLAD IT WAS NOT WORSE. HOPE YOUR RECOVERY
GOES WELL.
REGARDS,
DOUG PRESTON
N372RV
-----Original Message-----
From: Stein Bruch <stein@steinair.com>
Sent: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 1:30 am
Subject: RV-List: My losing fight with a prop
To those if you not on the VAF forums or who haven't seen the RV-10 list
posts,I thought I'd let you know what is going on. My apologies in advance
if you already saw this, but I just wanted it to come from the horses mouth.
I'll post the long story and gory/grotesque details later once I'm feeling a
bit better, but to make a really long story short------let's just call it
momentary stupidity (more than my usual amount).
Over the weekend I had an unfortuneate incident where my right hand contaced
a running prop (Not on an RC either). The prop is fine, but my hand will
take a while to recover and now has less digits on it than it did 4 days ago
at this time. I'm back from the hospital (this is the 1st time I've ever
carried body parts with me to a hospital) and hand surgeon, but have another
surgery on Thurs. I'm going to come out of this pretty good, just missing
some of my right index finger that they couldn't/wouldn't stitch back on and
a few small chunks out of my thumb that will heal fine (we hope).
I'm in good spirits and thanks to the support of all my friends/customers am
doing well - just not doing much work for a few days. I'm one lucky guy,
and am NOT complaining about my sitiation at all. I'm actually really
liking everyone's sense of humor (no "1/2 off sales, no DIGITal sales, the
10% off my next manicure, etc...") jokes are helping me cope. If I didn't
laugh about this I'd cry, and since I can't undo what happened I much more
enjoy laughing than crying!
I'll post the whole thing later as I have more time and more ability to
type.
Best regards and thanks for the support,
Stein
do not archive this macabre stuff - let's save it for a "lessons learned"
post later on!
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Greg,
No, I don't have any pictures of the trays over my instruments, but I'll
take a few and post them. I have a special tip-up front gasket (see
_www.petesrvaviationproducts.com_ (http://www.petesrvaviationproducts.com/) ) which
stops the water from entering when the canopy is closed. The problem is keeping
water off the instruments when I open a wet canopy and some water cascades
down and then rearward (tail-dragger). That small amount of water I catch in
three long, narrow (2.5") trays mounted against the rear side of the firewall
and over the forward half of the gauges. I learned after losing my
transponder to rain a year ago that Van's tip-up front gasket and design gives
limited water protection. That got me thinking about a better solution to keeping
water out of a tip-up canopy.
Pete in Clearwater
RV-6 250 hours, all electric panel
Greg wrote:
"Pete, Do you have any pics of your aluminum trays that keep the water from
your instruments?
Greg
RV-7 tipup all electric panel"
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| Subject: | The Memphis 100 Air Race |
The Memphis 100 is coming! Come join us for the fun!
When: October 27th
Where: DeWitt Spain Airport (M01), Memphis, TN
What: The Memphis 100 is an Official Sport Air Racing League sanctioned
eventIt is for ALL aircraft, from Cubs to Unlimiteds, run on a 100 mile
triangular course, with staggered starts. No formation experience required!
Racers are split into categories for fair, friendly competition. Come run
hard, or enjoy the scenery and camaraderie!
Who: You! Hosted by the Memphis CAF. Breakfast by the Memphis EAA.
For more information or registration contact:
Rick Pellicciotti: rick@rocket-boys.com <mailto:rick@rocket-boys.com> 901
481-1934
Jeff Linebaugh: jeff@rocket-boys.com <mailto:jeff@rocket-boys.com> 901
606-6735
Hope to see you all there!
Jeff Linebaugh
jefflinebaugh@bellsouth.net
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For sale: RV9 tail kit with electric trim due to health reasons. I am
located in a western suburb of Chicago. I can't pack it so someone will have
to be in driving distance. I also bought the Cleaveland tool kit for RV's
including a pneumatic squeezer. The tools are barely used. $1200 for the
tail kit and $2000 for tools. More info: jharrison46atgmaildotcom
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall insulation for heat and sound |
I'm just about to the point of putting on the front deck of my 7A and
thought it would be easier to put some insulation on the aft face of
the firewall now. There are several types advertised -- I was
looking for ease of application and good performance in reducing heat
and sound from the engine. Does anyone out there have a favorite
type??? Do you feel that it is worth the effort to insulate the
firewall?
I'd appreciate your comments
dave
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall insulation for heat and sound |
Dave, I recently installed the aluminized heat barrier by Thermotec (Spruce
p/n 08-00600 for the 12X24 in size) on the aft side of my 8 firewall and had
a DRAMATIC drop in heat in the fwd baggage hold. Its 1/16 thick and is
comprised of woven ceramic cloth similar to fiberglass with an adhesive back. Added
weight is negligible. It does not reduce sound much, if at all. I have ANR
headsets which reduces the sound level to manageable levels.
John D RV8 N585JD
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall insulation for heat and sound |
Dave,
I used a foam from Wick's:
http://www.wicksaircraft.com/catalog/product_detail.php/pid=7836~subid=
1925/index.html
It's available in several thicknesses (I used 1/2 inch on the aft side
of the firewall) and I found it easy to apply with a spray adhesive (3M
as I recall) available from the "aviation aisle" at Home Depot. I have
nothing to compare it to but have been pleased with it's insulating
value for both for sound and heat.
Steve Struyk
St. Charles, MO
RV8, N842S, 90 Hrs,
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Cudney
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 7:03 PM
Subject: RV-List: Re: Firewall insulation for heat and sound
I'm just about to the point of putting on the front deck of my 7A and
thought it would be easier to put some insulation on the aft face of the
firewall now. There are several types advertised -- I was looking for
ease of application and good performance in reducing heat and sound from
the engine. Does anyone out there have a favorite type??? Do you feel
that it is worth the effort to insulate the firewall?
I'd appreciate your comments
dave
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall insulation for heat and sound |
I used Super Soundproofing foam from spruce. I've had it in from day one
it seems to be working pretty good but I don't know what it would sound
like without it.
Surfing the web with my laptop from Hopkinsville, KY
Visit my RV7A website: http://webpages.charter.net/bobbyhester/MyFlyingRV7A.htm
Dave Cudney wrote:
> I'm just about to the point of putting on the front deck of my 7A and
> thought it would be easier to put some insulation on the aft face of
> the firewall now. There are several types advertised -- I was looking
> for ease of application and good performance in reducing heat and
> sound from the engine. Does anyone out there have a favorite type???
> Do you feel that it is worth the effort to insulate the firewall?
>
> I'd appreciate your comments
>
> dave
>> *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall insulation for heat and sound |
Dave,
I'm not sure what others are using but I am planning to use the insulation
from Abby at Flightline Interiors.
http://www.flightlineinteriors.com/products/construction/default.asp
Firewall Insulation Fabric
- Blocks up to 97% of radiated heat
- Effective conductive heat barrier
- Effective moisture barrier
- Superior sound deflector
- Resistant to mold and mildew
- Easily installs in minutes
- Lightweight
Firewall Insulation (per yard, 48" wide) $22.00
Bret Smith
RV-9A (91314)
Mineral Bluff, GA
www.FlightInnovations.com
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Cudney
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 8:04 PM
Subject: RV-List: Re: Firewall insulation for heat and sound
I'm just about to the point of putting on the front deck of my 7A and
thought it would be easier to put some insulation on the aft face of the
firewall now. There are several types advertised -- I was looking for ease
of application and good performance in reducing heat and sound from the
engine. Does anyone out there have a favorite type??? Do you feel that it is
worth the effort to insulate the firewall?
I'd appreciate your comments
dave
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall insulation for heat and sound |
I used some stuff from abby at flightline interiors , light and strong and now
is the time to do it , acs has some black stuff that I hear works good, great
article in kitplanes several months ago about heat & noise reduction.
Danny
-----Original Message-----
From: "Dave Cudney" <yenduc@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: 9/27/07 7:03 PM
Subject: RV-List: Re: Firewall insulation for heat and sound
I'm just about to the point of putting on the front deck of my 7A and
thought it would be easier to put some insulation on the aft face of
the firewall now. There are several types advertised -- I was
looking for ease of application and good performance in reducing heat
and sound from the engine. Does anyone out there have a favorite
type??? Do you feel that it is worth the effort to insulate the
firewall?
I'd appreciate your comments
dave
>
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall insulation for heat and sound |
Hi Dave,
In my 6A, I used sound insulation only in the floor. I have no
insulation on the backside of the firewall. With my sound cancelling
headset, the sound level at my ears is very confortable. There is also
no sign of excess heat in the cockpit. I've been flying for 2-1/2 years
in Central Florida. It is hot on the ground in the summer in or out of
the cockpit and it cools off when I climb above 1000 feet.
Regards,
Richard Dudley
Dave Cudney wrote:
> I'm just about to the point of putting on the front deck of my 7A and
> thought it would be easier to put some insulation on the aft face of
> the firewall now. There are several types advertised -- I was looking
> for ease of application and good performance in reducing heat and
> sound from the engine. Does anyone out there have a favorite type???
> Do you feel that it is worth the effort to insulate the firewall?
>
> I'd appreciate your comments
>
> dave
>
>>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall insulation for heat and sound |
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall insulation for heat and sound |
In a message dated 9/27/2007 6:47:05 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
rhdudley1@bellsouth.net writes:
There is also no sign of excess heat in the cockpit. I've been flying for
2-1/2 years in Central Florida.
================================
How hot would it be if the engine caught on fire?
N1GV (RV-6A, Flying 865hrs, O-360-A1A, C/S, Silicon Valley)
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall insulation for heat and sound |
In a message dated 9/27/2007 5:07:58 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
yenduc@sbcglobal.net writes:
Does anyone out there have a favorite type??? Do you feel that it is worth
the effort to insulate the firewall?
================================================
Definitely worth the effort IMO.
I used Soundcoat brand Soundfoam HT P/N FF30AHT7 in a 1" thickness. It's a
flame retardant polyimide foam (think Kapton but foamed) with a aluminized
mylar backing. It weighs 1oz/sqft so only 3/4 of a lb or so for the whole
firewall. I used aluminum tape to reconnect the various cutout shapes that fit
the firewall topography into a contiguous whole. It is expensive but probably
the best material for the job. I have an AutoCAD file of the 6/6A firewall
available.
N1GV (RV-6A, Flying 865hrs, O-360-A1A, C/S, Silicon Valley)
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