---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 10/14/07: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:01 AM - Re: PC-680 Performance (Darrell Reiley) 2. 06:12 AM - Re: PC-680 Performance (PGLong@aol.com) 3. 07:58 AM - Re: PC-680 Performance (Tom & Cathy Ervin) 4. 10:37 AM - Re: PC-680 Performance (Vanremog@aol.com) 5. 11:12 AM - Re: PC-680 Performance (Walter Tondu) 6. 11:54 AM - Re: PC-680 Performance (lessdragprod@aol.com) 7. 01:09 PM - Re: PC-680 Performance (=?utf-8?B?Qm9iIE5ld21hbg==?=) 8. 01:19 PM - RV7A near Dayton, OH? (Dan Brown) 9. 02:31 PM - Re: RV7A near Dayton, OH? (Dana Overall) 10. 02:36 PM - Re: PC-680 Performance (Darrell Reiley) 11. 02:47 PM - Re: PC-680 Performance (Jeff Point) 12. 03:07 PM - Re: RV7A near Dayton, OH? (Bobby Hester) 13. 05:49 PM - Re: PC-680 Performance (Kyle Boatright) 14. 07:01 PM - Re: PC-680 Performance (Sam Buchanan) 15. 07:56 PM - Re: PC-680 Performance (Ron Lee) 16. 08:02 PM - Re: PC-680 Performance (Darrell Reiley) 17. 09:56 PM - Re: PC-680 Performance (michael@robbins.us.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:01:26 AM PST US From: Darrell Reiley Subject: Re: RV-List: PC-680 Performance Hey Walter, I could use one of the rejects for testing. ;-) Darrell ----- Original Message ---- From: Walter Tondu Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 10:37:40 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: PC-680 Performance On 10/13 10:07, Kyle Boatright wrote: > To get to the point, what is the RV-list's collective experience with this > battery? I know it is light and has good cranking power when new, but I'm > interested in what sort of longevity people are seeing. Is it lasting 1 > year, 2 years, more, or less? I'd hate to go back to the Concorde, but > I'd prefer that to a battery that goes soft after less than two years. Since the battery is relatively cheap, just above $100, I replace it at every annual. This gives me peace of mind knowing I have a fresh battery and I now have a decent backup or something to play pass the electrons with in the shop. I always connect to a trickle charger after each flight just to keep it tip-top. I've never had a battery issue now in two years. ymmv. -- Walter Tondu http://www.rv7-a.com - Painting http://www.evorocket.com - Empennage Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/ ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:12:23 AM PST US From: PGLong@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Re: PC-680 Performance I've had my PC-680 going on 5 years. Did run it flat once with the master left on. Didn't seem to affect it as it would had it been a lead acid battery. I never need to trickle charge it. Left last winter in the hangar without flying for five months. Put the charger on to see how it was in the spring and the charger indicated it was at full charge after 5 seconds of charge time. I personally can't say enough good about Odyssey's products. Pat Long PGLong@aol.com N120PL RV 4 Bay City, Michigan 3CM Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:58:01 AM PST US From: "Tom & Cathy Ervin" Subject: Re: RV-List: PC-680 Performance The Odyssey battery in my RV6-A is 4 years old and still cranks the 0-360A1A over just like day one! I have the B&C alternator & regulator which I feel is the key reason the battery is always ready to go. After shutting down and attaching the BatteryMinder the green light starts flashing within a minute.......probably not needed. I live in Ohio and run a Reiff preheater with cylinder bands in the winter. Tom in Ohio (10G) ----- Original Message ----- From: Kyle Boatright To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 10:07 PM Subject: RV-List: PC-680 Performance Over the years, the Odyssey PC-680 has gotten very good reviews for its small size and high cranking amps. So, about 3 years ago, I selected one to replace a 4 year old Concorde battery. My first Odyssey battery became weak after just under 2 years. The vendor replaced it under warranty. Today, my ~14 month old replacement battery barely turned the engine over on a 80 degree day. Sure, the aircraft sat outside in 45 degree weather last night (Thomasville GA Fly-in - a really fun one), but the airplane had 8 hours of South Georgia sunshine to warm up, so is isn't like the battery was chilled or anything. To get to the point, what is the RV-list's collective experience with this battery? I know it is light and has good cranking power when new, but I'm interested in what sort of longevity people are seeing. Is it lasting 1 year, 2 years, more, or less? I'd hate to go back to the Concorde, but I'd prefer that to a battery that goes soft after less than two years. KB ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:37:35 AM PST US From: Vanremog@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: PC-680 Performance In a message dated 10/13/2007 10:31:27 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, capsteve@adelphia.net writes: in 2000 i purchased a pc680 for install in my 6a before it was completed. i used it to test and power up systems during final assembly. first flight in 2001- fast foreword to 2007, still going strong. I've left the master on twice in its life killing it completely. it seemed to recharge without incident. ========================================================== I always put the Power Sonic two stage charger on mine when not flying because I have a "keep alive" circuit in my am/fm radio that uses just a little power to retain the memory. Mine last for several years each with this treatment. N1GV (RV-6A, Flying 869hrs, O-360-A1A, C/S, Silicon Valley) ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:12:31 AM PST US From: Walter Tondu Subject: Re: RV-List: PC-680 Performance On 10/14 5:53, Darrell Reiley wrote: > I could use one of the rejects for testing. ;-) I've donated all of the older ones but have one left that I use as my tester/backup battery. If you want to wait till next July (scheduled annual) you can have the next off the firewall. Have only had two annuals so far and gave both to local builders. -- Walter Tondu http://www.rv7-a.com - Painting http://www.evorocket.com - Empennage ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:54:42 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: PC-680 Performance From: lessdragprod@aol.com Hi Kyle, I have an Odyssey battery in my RV-6A.? I was told that it needed to be charged at 14.2 volts.? If it was charged at a lower voltage, it would gradually loose capacity from being undercharged. I don't have a source for the 14.2 volts.? I didn't find it on the Odyssey battery website.? Anyone know where the correct charging voltage is documented? Regards, Jim Ayers -----Original Message----- From: Kyle Boatright Sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 7:07 pm Subject: RV-List: PC-680 Performance Over the years, the Odyssey PC-680 has gotten very good reviews for its small size and high cranking amps.? So, about 3 years ago, I selected one to replace a 4 year old Concorde battery. ? My first Odyssey battery became weak after just under 2 years.? The vendor replaced it under warranty. ? Today, my ~14 month old replacement battery barely turned the engine over on a 80 degree day. Sure, the aircraft sat outside in 45 degree weather last night (Thomasville GA Fly-in - a really fun one), but the airplane had 8 hours of South Georgia sunshine to warm up, so is isn't like the battery was chilled or anything. ? To get to the point, what is the RV-list's collective experience with this battery?? I know it is light and has good cranking power when new, but I'm interested in what sort of longevity people are seeing. Is it lasting 1 year, 2 years, more, or less?? I'd hate to go back to the Concorde, but I'd prefer that to a battery that goes soft after less than two years. ? KB ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:09:42 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: PC-680 Performance From: "=?utf-8?B?Qm9iIE5ld21hbg==?=" I found some excellent information on charging of AGM seal lead acid batteries on the panasonic web site. If I remeber it takes a little digging on their site, but its there. I believe the charging voltage depends primarily on chemistry type. (Ie sla-agm) and temperature. -bob newman Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: lessdragprod@aol.com To:rv-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: RV-List: PC-680 Performance Hi Kyle, I have an Odyssey battery in my RV-6A. I was told that it needed to be charged at 14.2 volts. If it was charged at a lower voltage, it would gradually loose capacity from being undercharged. I don't have a source for the 14.2 volts. I didn't find it on the Odyssey battery website. Anyone know where the correct charging voltage is documented? Regards, Jim Ayers -----Original Message----- From: Kyle Boatright To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 7:07 pm Subject: RV-List: PC-680 Performance Over the years, the Odyssey PC-680 has gotten very good reviews for its small size and high cranking amps. So, about 3 years ago, I selected one to replace a 4 year old Concorde battery. My first Odyssey battery became weak after just under 2 years. The vendor replaced it under warranty. Today, my ~14 month old replacement battery barely turned the engine over on a 80 degree day. Sure, the aircraft sat outside in 45 degree weather last night (Thomasville GA Fly-in - a really fun one), but the airplane had 8 hours of South Georgia sunshine to warm up, so is isn't like the battery was chilled or anything. To get to the point, what is the RV-list's collective experience with this battery? I know it is light and has good cranking power when new, but I'm interested in what sort of longevity people are seeing. Is it lasting 1 year, 2 years, more, or less? I'd hate to go back to the Concorde, but I'd prefer that to a battery that goes soft after less than two years. KB ---------------- ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:19:02 PM PST US From: Dan Brown Subject: RV-List: RV7A near Dayton, OH? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 List, After a number of years of thinking and hoping, I've just taken the plunge and bought an empennage kit for an RV-7A. Is there anybody on the list with a flying 7/7A near Dayton? I19 or MGY would be ideal, but other locations could work as well. It'd be great to see how they fly; I'd be happy to cover expenses, of course. Also, if there are any builders in the area who could use a hand, let me know--the more I can learn on somebody else's airplane, the better! (-: - -- Dan Brown, KE6MKS, dan@familybrown.org "Since all the world is but a story, it were well for thee to buy the more enduring story rather than the story that is less enduring." -- The Judgment of St. Colum Cille -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHEnZ0yQGUivXxtkERAotlAJoDaH+MsvSUHS3vWBfSOcxpAdd/RQCfQJgg IkQ9Agtd2MsLpTpT8/v1mg8 =TJyw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:31:35 PM PST US From: Dana Overall Subject: RE: RV-List: RV7A near Dayton, OH? Dan, join the Ohio Valley RVators Yahoo group..........large and active gro up. You will find many in the Dayton/Cincy area. Dana Overall Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4 http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackwing1.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive > Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 16:05:08 -0400 > From: dan@familybrown.org > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: RV7A near Dayton, OH? > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > List, > > After a number of years of thinking and hoping, I've just taken the > plunge and bought an empennage kit for an RV-7A. Is there anybody on > the list with a flying 7/7A near Dayton? I19 or MGY would be ideal, but > other locations could work as well. It'd be great to see how they fly; > I'd be happy to cover expenses, of course. > > Also, if there are any builders in the area who could use a hand, let me > know--the more I can learn on somebody else's airplane, the better! (-: > > - -- > Dan Brown, KE6MKS, dan@familybrown.org > "Since all the world is but a story, it were well for thee to buy the > more enduring story rather than the story that is less enduring." > -- The Judgment of St. Colum Cille > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (MingW32) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFHEnZ0yQGUivXxtkERAotlAJoDaH+MsvSUHS3vWBfSOcxpAdd/RQCfQJgg > IkQ9Agtd2MsLpTpT8/v1mg8 > =TJyw > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > =========== =========== =========== > > > _________________________________________________________________ Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Caf=E9. Stop by today. http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Oc tWLtagline ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:36:17 PM PST US From: Darrell Reiley Subject: Re: RV-List: PC-680 Performance Thanks Walter! I will stick a note on the calendar. They do come in handy on the work bench for sure. I guess we'll figure out the details then. Regards, Darrell ----- Original Message ---- From: Walter Tondu Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 1:04:43 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: PC-680 Performance On 10/14 5:53, Darrell Reiley wrote: > I could use one of the rejects for testing. ;-) I've donated all of the older ones but have one left that I use as my tester/backup battery. If you want to wait till next July (scheduled annual) you can have the next off the firewall. Have only had two annuals so far and gave both to local builders. -- Walter Tondu http://www.rv7-a.com - Painting http://www.evorocket.com - Empennage Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:47:06 PM PST US From: Jeff Point Subject: Re: RV-List: PC-680 Performance Ditto what others have said about charging voltage. AGMs like a higher voltage. I don't have the paperwork handy, but I believe it was 14.2 or 14.4. If you regulator is set below 14 (likely scenario) than that would explain the short life. Jeff Point RV-6 flying RV-8 building Milwaukee > * > > * ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:07:44 PM PST US From: Bobby Hester Subject: Re: RV-List: RV7A near Dayton, OH? You need to join this group. There are alot of RV's around you. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OhioValleyRVators/ Surfing the web with my laptop from Hopkinsville, KY Visit my RV7A website: http://webpages.charter.net/bobbyhester/MyFlyingRV7A.htm Dan Brown wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > List, > > After a number of years of thinking and hoping, I've just taken the > plunge and bought an empennage kit for an RV-7A. Is there anybody on > the list with a flying 7/7A near Dayton? I19 or MGY would be ideal, but > other locations could work as well. It'd be great to see how they fly; > I'd be happy to cover expenses, of course. > > Also, if there are any builders in the area who could use a hand, let me > know--the more I can learn on somebody else's airplane, the better! (-: > > - -- > Dan Brown, KE6MKS, dan@familybrown.org > "Since all the world is but a story, it were well for thee to buy the > more enduring story rather than the story that is less enduring." > -- The Judgment of St. Colum Cille > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (MingW32) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFHEnZ0yQGUivXxtkERAotlAJoDaH+MsvSUHS3vWBfSOcxpAdd/RQCfQJgg > IkQ9Agtd2MsLpTpT8/v1mg8 > =TJyw > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:49:01 PM PST US From: "Kyle Boatright" Subject: Re: RV-List: PC-680 Performance The next issue is how does one go about adjusting the Ford voltage regulator I installed per Electric Bob's suggestion? KB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Point" Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 5:34 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: PC-680 Performance > > Ditto what others have said about charging voltage. AGMs like a higher > voltage. I don't have the paperwork handy, but I believe it was 14.2 or > 14.4. If you regulator is set below 14 (likely scenario) than that would > explain the short life. > > Jeff Point > RV-6 flying > RV-8 building > Milwaukee > > >> * >> >> * > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:01:20 PM PST US From: Sam Buchanan Subject: Re: RV-List: PC-680 Performance Kyle Boatright wrote: > > The next issue is how does one go about adjusting the Ford voltage > regulator I installed per Electric Bob's suggestion? Kyle, the Ford regulator is keeping my PC680 charged just fine, voltage to the battery is ~14.3. Don't know why your 680 died an early death, but that doesn't seem to be the norm. As inexpensive as the regulators are, you might just replace it if the output is too low. Sam Buchanan ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:56:09 PM PST US From: "Ron Lee" Subject: Re: RV-List: PC-680 Performance Look it over for an adjusting screw. Then monitor the charging voltage when the engine is running ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kyle Boatright" Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 6:33 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: PC-680 Performance > > The next issue is how does one go about adjusting the Ford voltage > regulator I installed per Electric Bob's suggestion? > > KB > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Point" > To: > Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 5:34 PM > Subject: Re: RV-List: PC-680 Performance > > >> >> Ditto what others have said about charging voltage. AGMs like a higher >> voltage. I don't have the paperwork handy, but I believe it was 14.2 or >> 14.4. If you regulator is set below 14 (likely scenario) than that would >> explain the short life. >> >> Jeff Point >> RV-6 flying >> RV-8 building >> Milwaukee >> >> >>> * >>> >>> * >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:02:51 PM PST US From: Darrell Reiley Subject: Re: RV-List: PC-680 Performance That depends on which Ford regulator you installed. The older tall units have an adjustment screw under the cap. Most of the short cap units are pre-set, not to be adjusted. If it's adjustable, a run up and volt meter will give you the charge output. You adjust the screw in for more output. Darrell ----- Original Message ---- From: Kyle Boatright Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 7:33:11 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: PC-680 Performance The next issue is how does one go about adjusting the Ford voltage regulator I installed per Electric Bob's suggestion? KB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Point" Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 5:34 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: PC-680 Performance > > Ditto what others have said about charging voltage. AGMs like a higher > voltage. I don't have the paperwork handy, but I believe it was 14.2 or > 14.4. If you regulator is set below 14 (likely scenario) than that would > explain the short life. > > Jeff Point > RV-6 flying > RV-8 building > Milwaukee > > >> * >> >> * > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:56:48 PM PST US From: michael@robbins.us.com Subject: RV-List: Re: PC-680 Performance > Over the years, the Odyssey PC-680 has gotten very good reviews... I had a PC-625 in my 180 hp IO-360 RV-8 for five years and it was still going strong when I replaced it last month.- I never used a trickle charger.- Maybe they have a QC issue. 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