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1. 03:22 AM - Re: Aileron trailing edge skislope effect (Dale Ensing)
2. 06:29 AM - Re: Aileron trailing edge skislope effect (Carl Bell)
3. 06:40 AM - NASA safety controversy (Bob Collins)
4. 07:22 AM - using wing jacks (George Inman 204 287 8334)
5. 08:22 AM - Re: using wing jacks (Ron Lee)
6. 08:51 AM - Re: using wing jacks (Patrick Kelley)
7. 09:32 AM - Re: using wing jacks (Michael Kraus)
8. 09:39 AM - Re: using wing jacks (Jim Jewell)
9. 10:11 AM - Best Prices Offered Anywhere (Mile High Aviation)
10. 11:02 AM - Re: using wing jacks (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
11. 11:41 AM - Re: Water/Moisture in Static System (Larry Mersek)
12. 11:42 AM - Re: using wing jacks (cbrxxdrv@aol.com)
13. 11:44 AM - Re: Water/Moisture in Static System (Larry Mersek)
14. 11:50 AM - Re: New product annoucement (Tom Young)
15. 11:51 AM - Re: using wing jacks (Dale Ensing)
16. 01:41 PM - Re: Aileron trailing edge skislope effect (Bob)
17. 02:03 PM - Re: New product annoucement (=?utf-8?B?Qm9iIE5ld21hbg==?=)
18. 02:11 PM - Re: gear legs wheel replacement (joelrhaynes@aol.com)
19. 02:30 PM - Re: New product annoucement (Tom Young)
20. 02:47 PM - Re: New product annoucement (Dale Walter)
21. 02:53 PM - Re: New product annoucement (Bruce Gray)
22. 03:01 PM - Re: New product annoucement (=?utf-8?B?Qm9iIE5ld21hbg==?=)
23. 03:27 PM - Re: New product annoucement (=?utf-8?B?Qm9iIE5ld21hbg==?=)
24. 04:23 PM - Re: New product annoucement (Tom Young)
25. 04:57 PM - Re: New product annoucement (=?utf-8?B?Qm9iIE5ld21hbg==?=)
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron trailing edge skislope effect |
Mike,
The trailing edge doesn't look too bad to me. However, you really will not
know if it causes a trim problem until you fly the airplane. The shape can
be perfect to the eye but still require altering because of a "heavy wing".
Initially my 6A flew hands off perfectly until I had the plane painted.
After checking all the alignment points of both ailerons, the gear leg
fairing etc., only thing I found was an impression on the top of the right
aileron midway along the trailing edge. It looked like someone in the paint
shop picked up the aileron by the trailing edge and put a slight
dent/depression in the top skin right where a thump would have squeezed it.
Following Van's procedure for correcting a heavy wing,
http://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/Wing_Heavy.pdf, I had to reduce the radius
of the right aileron trailing edge and increase the radius of the left
aileron trailing edge to get back to the 'hands off' trim I had before
painting.
Dale Ensing
RV-6A
EAA TC & FA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael D. Cencula" <matronics@cencula.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 8:15 PM
Subject: RV-List: Aileron trailing edge skislope effect
> <matronics@cencula.com>
>
> Greetings listers,
>
> I'm working on my ailerons (RV-7A) and seem to be getting a skislope
> effect at
> the trailing edge near the ribs. Some places are worse than others. You
> can
> see what I mean by checking the third photo here:
>
> http://www.our7a.com/20071015.html
>
> or the second and third photos here:
>
> http://www.our7a.com/20071024.html
>
> Any thoughts on what's causing this?
>
> It seems to like the trailing edge bend may not be in exactly the right
> location.
>
> I sent this very question to Van's and got the following response:
>
> "Mike,
> I looked at your aileron trailing edge photo and it is not perfect, but
> it's
> acceptable and within tolerance. It will not cause you any flight
> problems.
> Bruce Reynolds
> brucer@vansaircraft.com"
>
> Although it's nice to know that it's still safe, I really need a
> *solution*.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike Cencula
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Aileron trailing edge skislope effect |
I believe I have seen this issue before and it was traced to skins that were
bent wrong and Van replaced them. You may want to check with Ken.
Carl W Bell
New Venture Consulting
Mobile: 803.640.2760
www.newventureconsulting.com
carlbell@gforcecable.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Prior
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 11:44 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Aileron trailing edge skislope effect
On 17:15 2007-10-24 "Michael D. Cencula" <matronics@cencula.com> wrote:
> Although it's nice to know that it's still safe, I really need a
> *solution*.
Some alternatives:
1. Make a new rib for the worst location, drilling holes to match the skins.
2. Remove the clecoes from the worst rib, and drill new holes that match
the skins in the spaces between each of the existing holes. When you get
to painting, fill the unriveted holes and then paint over them.
3. (Van's suggestion) Drive the rivets as-is, and rig the plane to fly
straight and true once you're done.
Personally I wouldn't go looking for extra work, but if pushed i'd probably
opt for option 1.
-Rob
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| Subject: | NASA safety controversy |
(cross posted)
You know how you're always saying you wish journalists weren't so stupid? Yeah,
me too.
At my news organization (American Public Media/Minnesota Public Radio), we have
an initiative that we started where we depend on the knowledge of the audience
to inform the coverage. It's called Public Insight Journalism. We use it to
evaluate potential stories and to be more informed before we even decide whether
stories are worth doing.
Today, I got a message from the unit. They're trying to get information on NASA's
alleged refusal to release safety statistics.
If you have knowledge to share -- note: this isn't if you have an OPINION to share,
this is if you have KNOWLEDGE to share -- they've set up a form here.
http://www.publicradio.org/public_insight_network/forms/cij/form_display.php?form_codef36707631b (http://www.publicradio.org/public_insight_network/forms/cij/form_display.php?form_codef36707631b)
Please forward as necessary.
Thanks
Do not archive
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Bob Collins
St. Paul, Minn.
Letters from Flyover Country
http://rvnewsletter.blogspot.com/
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141683#141683
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| Subject: | using wing jacks |
For you guys using wing jacks.Do you put the jack
against the tiedown ring,or use a pillow and platform arrangement?
--
George H. Inman
ghinman@mts.net
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| Subject: | Re: using wing jacks |
I use a 2x4 block drilled out to go over the moving part of the jack.
Then that is covered with a rubber mat material for softness.
Ron Lee
----- Original Message -----
From: "George Inman 204 287 8334" <ghinman@mts.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 8:18 AM
Subject: RV-List: using wing jacks
>
>
> For you guys using wing jacks.Do you put the jack
> against the tiedown ring,or use a pillow and platform arrangement?
>
> --
>
> George H. Inman
> ghinman@mts.net
>
>
>
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| Subject: | using wing jacks |
Short steel bolt with the same thread as the tiedown used as a hardpoint.
Or you can go the Lancair route and machine a cup to fit over the jack with
a stud to screw into the tiedown mount. I've also found that I can use my
engine hoist to lift at the steps; good for getting a main wheel up. I can
get the nose wheel up by connecting the tail tiedown to a tiedown point with
a come-along and pulling the tail down.
Patrick Kelley - RV-6A - gluing the tip-up canopy in place
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of George Inman 204
287 8334
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 7:19 AM
Subject: RV-List: using wing jacks
For you guys using wing jacks.Do you put the jack
against the tiedown ring,or use a pillow and platform arrangement?
--
George H. Inman
ghinman@mts.net
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| Subject: | using wing jacks |
I too just use a grade 8 bolt threaded into the tie down blocks. This will not
let the plane slip off the jacks, at least not with my arrangement.
-Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: "George Inman 204 287 8334" <ghinman@mts.net>
Sent: 10/25/07 10:18 AM
Subject: RV-List: using wing jacks
For you guys using wing jacks.Do you put the jack
against the tiedown ring,or use a pillow and platform arrangement?
--
George H. Inman
ghinman@mts.net
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| Subject: | Re: using wing jacks |
Geoge,
This suggestion assumes aviation style wing jacks are being used. Failing
that jack stability is a must.
Get two 2" or 3" x 3/8" national course bolts. cut off the heads. Remove
the Van's tie down rings. screw in the headless bolts. If needed modify the
jack stand by drilling a shallow hole (depression) to accept the headless
bolts.
Jim in Kelowna
----- Original Message -----
From: "George Inman 204 287 8334" <ghinman@mts.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 7:18 AM
Subject: RV-List: using wing jacks
>
>
> For you guys using wing jacks.Do you put the jack
> against the tiedown ring,or use a pillow and platform arrangement?
>
> --
>
> George H. Inman
> ghinman@mts.net
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Best Prices Offered Anywhere |
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| Subject: | Re: using wing jacks |
Tiedown ring.
Mark do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Water/Moisture in Static System |
Linn,
Thank you for your helpful response, it is much appreciated. I was
hoping to purge the moisture without removing the ASI but it looks like
I will have to remove it, I like your idea of placing it in a box. The
pill bottle is a good idea too!
--Larry
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----- Original Message -----
From: linn Walters
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 6:56 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Water/Moisture in Static System
Larry Mersek wrote:
RV List,
The glass on my airspeed indicator is fogged up with moisture. I
have removed the static line from the back of the instrument and found
droplets of water in the line. I'm looking for suggestions on how to dry
out the airspeed indicator and removal of water from the system. I have
used compressed air to purge out the water droplets through the static
lines and put a small wattage heat lamp under the airspeed instrument
with no success. I am also concerned this moisture will migrate to my
Dynon D10A.
Remove the AS and place it in a box with a 100 watt bulb ..... so that
nothing is touching the bulb that will burn. The last is very
important.
I first noticed the moisture two days after flying through a small
rain shower. I have 630 hours on my RV-6 and have flown it through rain
showers before, this is the first time I have ever had an issue with
moisture/water in the system.
I do not have the Cessna style static water sump collection bottle
sold by ACS installed in the static system and am considering installing
one.
Probably the best option ..... or make your own. Get a plastic "T"
that fits your tubing, and glue it into the top of a pill bottle. They
seal pretty well. Be sure to label the pill bottle "EXPERIMENTAL" and
mount it where it's easily accessible with a 'low spot' at the pill
bottle. ;-)
Linn
Thanks in advance for your help and suggestions.
Larry Mersek
N336RV
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| Subject: | Re: using wing jacks |
Vans sells a kit that includes a attachment for the gear legs (a hose clamp will
work) and
2 screw in jack points for the wings.....I have grove gear so the gear leg attachments
don't do much for
me but the jack points are wonderful.
Sal
RV8 N898SC
-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
Sent: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 11:19 am
Subject: Re: RV-List: using wing jacks
?
I use a 2x4 block drilled out to go over the moving part of the jack.?
?
Then that is covered with a rubber mat material for softness.?
?
Ron Lee?
?
----- Original Message -----
From: "George Inman 204 287 8334" <ghinman@mts.net>?
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 8:18 AM?
Subject: RV-List: using wing jacks?
?
>?
>?
>?
> For you guys using wing jacks.Do you put the jack?
> against the tiedown ring,or use a pillow and platform arrangement??
>?
> --
>?
> George H. Inman?
> ghinman@mts.net?
>?
>?
>?
>?
>?
> ?
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| Subject: | Re: Water/Moisture in Static System |
Dale,
Thanks for your helpful reply. I did order the bottle and will install
once I get the moisture purged out of the system. Good idea with the
light bulbs.
--Larry
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----- Original Message -----
From: Dale Walter
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 9:55 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Water/Moisture in Static System
Hi Larry,
I installed that bottle and it solved my problem, which was similar to
yours. I put it at the low point in the back, behind the baggage
compartment, extended the static line all the way to the bottom of
fuselage. The line going from the bottle to the instruments is punched
in to protrude an inch inside making it easy to keep any drops from
moving forward. Putting that end of the bottle upward would do the same
thing, but my connecter broke on that end of the bottle so I turned it
into an opportunity. Bottle nipples are fragile. Since I live in South
Florida with lots of humidity I also installed two 60 watt light bulbs
(wired in series to reduce effective voltage per bulb) under the radio
stack and plug them in to wall outlet in the hanger. This keeps the
moisture out of my radios, the series wiring reduces the excessive heat
a bulb would normally have in this confined area. Prior to this I was
getting problems with my transponder after a humid week. No problems
since.
Dale
RV6a 935 hrs, Lyc 0-360 A1A, Hartzell
Youtube videos channel name: "lionheart33026"
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Mersek
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 11:45 PM
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV-List: Water/Moisture in Static System
RV List,
The glass on my airspeed indicator is fogged up with moisture. I have
removed the static line from the back of the instrument and found
droplets of water in the line. I'm looking for suggestions on how to dry
out the airspeed indicator and removal of water from the system. I have
used compressed air to purge out the water droplets through the static
lines and put a small wattage heat lamp under the airspeed instrument
with no success. I am also concerned this moisture will migrate to my
Dynon D10A.
I first noticed the moisture two days after flying through a small
rain shower. I have 630 hours on my RV-6 and have flown it through rain
showers before, this is the first time I have ever had an issue with
moisture/water in the system.
I do not have the Cessna style static water sump collection bottle
sold by ACS installed in the static system and am considering installing
one.
Thanks in advance for your help and suggestions.
Larry Mersek
N336RV
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| Subject: | Re: New product annoucement |
I'd be interested to know if anyone has tried a two-speed setup using a
5-position inline switch like this (51MX down at the bottom):
http://www.machinecomp.com/js_sa.htm
First position, slow, push it a little farther, fast. It might be one of
those ideas that seems clever but isn't, but I can't really see why it
wouldn't work. Any thoughts?
Tom Young
RV-4, long, long way to go
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Newman" <rcnewman@mycingular.blackberry.net>
<rv-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 1:54 PM
Subject: RV-List: New product annoucement
> <rcnewman@mycingular.blackberry.net>
>
> Fellow RV builders,
>
> I'm pleased to annouce we have added two new models to the Safety-Trim
> product family. In addition to our standard features of time limited
> servo control, adjustable speed control, emergency reverse and simplified
> pilot/co-pilot wiring we now have models with that provide 2 user
> adjustable preset speeds. This feature allows you to control your trim
> response based on aircraft performance. This feature is especially
> useful in aircraft with a large performance envelope such as the RVs.
> For all the details please visit our website. www.tcwtech.com
>
> Thanks,
> Bob Newman. Rv-10
> #40176
>
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: using wing jacks |
I use the jack points that Van's sells with his Jackpoint Kit. They appear
to be a hard plastic and screw into the wing tie down points.
http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1193337723-284-291&browse=airframe&product=jackpoint
The wing jack is cupped and the jackpoint fits in very nicely.
Dale Ensing
> For you guys using wing jacks.Do you put the jack
> against the tiedown ring,or use a pillow and platform arrangement?
> George H. Inman
> ghinman@mts.net
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron trailing edge skislope effect |
After looking at the pictures, I don't see the problem. If this is
all you have to be worried about, then you are building a real fine RV.
My RV has some cosmetic imperfections, dents, smiles, scratches
whatever, now 5 years into flying, things that I thought were so
important, I can not even find them, let alone allow it to bother me.
This is sort of in the category of "who cares?" I would never have
noticed without the straight edge in the picture. If you are
building for flying, then move on, if you are building an Award
Winner that will be exhibited in some technical museum, keep redoing
it until it is perfect.
If after flying the RV for a few years and it still bothers you, then
rebuild it. But, by then you will be having way too much fun to
worry about cosmetic accuracy.
Bob
RV6 "Wicked Witch of the West"
At 07:15 PM 10/24/07, you wrote:
>
>Greetings listers,
>
>I'm working on my ailerons (RV-7A) and seem to be getting a skislope
>effect at
>the trailing edge near the ribs. Some places are worse than others.
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| Subject: | Re: New product annoucement |
Tom, The component you found is a multi-position switch. Although it can select
multiple actions it has no way of providing any speed control function on
its own. Additionally, it does not provide any of the valuable features of Safety-Trim,
such as the time limited servo drive, or simplified pilot/co-pilot
wiring.
-Bob Newman
TCW Technolgies
www.tcwtech.com
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
-----Original Message-----
From: "Tom Young" <teyoung1@comcast.net>
To:<rv-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: New product annoucement
I'd be interested to know if anyone has tried a two-speed setup using a
5-position inline switch like this (51MX down at the bottom):
http://www.machinecomp.com/js_sa.htm
First position, slow, push it a little farther, fast. It might be one of
those ideas that seems clever but isn't, but I can't really see why it
wouldn't work. Any thoughts?
Tom Young
RV-4, long, long way to go
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Newman" <rcnewman@mycingular.blackberry.net>
<rv-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 1:54 PM
Subject: RV-List: New product annoucement
> <rcnewman@mycingular.blackberry.net>
>
> Fellow RV builders,
>
> I'm pleased to annouce we have added two new models to the Safety-Trim
> product family. In addition to our standard features of time limited
> servo control, adjustable speed control, emergency reverse and simplified
> pilot/co-pilot wiring we now have models with that provide 2 user
> adjustable preset speeds. This feature allows you to control your trim
> response based on aircraft performance. This feature is especially
> useful in aircraft with a large performance envelope such as the RVs.
> For all the details please visit our website. www.tcwtech.com
>
> Thanks,
> Bob Newman. Rv-10
> #40176
>
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: gear legs wheel replacement |
If your plane is nose heavy when picked up by the jack points I would sure
double check my weight and balance. I am not saying either way because I
don't know, but it would seem a little forward. Of course with a pilot in
there it would be different. Were the tanks full?
You want your airplane to be nose heavy when you jack it up by the jack points.?
That means the CG is where it is supposed to be.? Remember?aerodynamics 101:?the
wings lift and the tail gets pushed down in flight.
Joel Haynes
RV-7A N557XW
Bozeman, MT
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| Subject: | Re: New product annoucement |
I wasn't suggesting that, I was suggesting using that switch with your
two-speed box (or two of the Matronix boxes and a relay) to provide the
multispeed capability at the pilot's fingertips in a single switch, rather
than using a separate switch actuated by the flaps or somesuch.
- Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Newman" <rcnewman@mycingular.blackberry.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 3:02 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: New product annoucement
> <rcnewman@mycingular.blackberry.net>
>
> Tom, The component you found is a multi-position switch. Although it
> can select multiple actions it has no way of providing any speed control
> function on its own. Additionally, it does not provide any of the
> valuable features of Safety-Trim, such as the time limited servo drive, or
> simplified pilot/co-pilot wiring.
>
> -Bob Newman
> TCW Technolgies
> www.tcwtech.com
>
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Tom Young" <teyoung1@comcast.net>
>
> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 12:48:11
> To:<rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: New product annoucement
>
>
>
> I'd be interested to know if anyone has tried a two-speed setup using a
> 5-position inline switch like this (51MX down at the bottom):
>
> http://www.machinecomp.com/js_sa.htm
>
> First position, slow, push it a little farther, fast. It might be one of
> those ideas that seems clever but isn't, but I can't really see why it
> wouldn't work. Any thoughts?
>
> Tom Young
> RV-4, long, long way to go
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob Newman" <rcnewman@mycingular.blackberry.net>
> To: "Matronics list" <rv10-list@matronics.com>; "Matronics list"
> <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 1:54 PM
> Subject: RV-List: New product annoucement
>
>
>> <rcnewman@mycingular.blackberry.net>
>>
>> Fellow RV builders,
>>
>> I'm pleased to annouce we have added two new models to the Safety-Trim
>> product family. In addition to our standard features of time limited
>> servo control, adjustable speed control, emergency reverse and simplified
>> pilot/co-pilot wiring we now have models with that provide 2 user
>> adjustable preset speeds. This feature allows you to control your trim
>> response based on aircraft performance. This feature is especially
>> useful in aircraft with a large performance envelope such as the RVs.
>> For all the details please visit our website. www.tcwtech.com
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Bob Newman. Rv-10
>> #40176
>>
>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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I used a simple 2 position switch that connects a wire that by passes a
resistor that slows down my pitch trim. When switch is closed the resistor
is ineffective and I have fast trim. Now I have 2 speed trim, all I need.
(KISS)
Dale
RV6a 935 hrs
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Young
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 5:29 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: New product annoucement
I wasn't suggesting that, I was suggesting using that switch with your
two-speed box (or two of the Matronix boxes and a relay) to provide the
multispeed capability at the pilot's fingertips in a single switch, rather
than using a separate switch actuated by the flaps or somesuch.
- Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Newman" <rcnewman@mycingular.blackberry.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 3:02 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: New product annoucement
> <rcnewman@mycingular.blackberry.net>
>
> Tom, The component you found is a multi-position switch. Although it
> can select multiple actions it has no way of providing any speed control
> function on its own. Additionally, it does not provide any of the
> valuable features of Safety-Trim, such as the time limited servo drive, or
> simplified pilot/co-pilot wiring.
>
> -Bob Newman
> TCW Technolgies
> www.tcwtech.com
>
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Tom Young" <teyoung1@comcast.net>
>
> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 12:48:11
> To:<rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: New product annoucement
>
>
>
> I'd be interested to know if anyone has tried a two-speed setup using a
> 5-position inline switch like this (51MX down at the bottom):
>
> http://www.machinecomp.com/js_sa.htm
>
> First position, slow, push it a little farther, fast. It might be one of
> those ideas that seems clever but isn't, but I can't really see why it
> wouldn't work. Any thoughts?
>
> Tom Young
> RV-4, long, long way to go
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob Newman" <rcnewman@mycingular.blackberry.net>
> To: "Matronics list" <rv10-list@matronics.com>; "Matronics list"
> <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 1:54 PM
> Subject: RV-List: New product annoucement
>
>
>> <rcnewman@mycingular.blackberry.net>
>>
>> Fellow RV builders,
>>
>> I'm pleased to annouce we have added two new models to the Safety-Trim
>> product family. In addition to our standard features of time limited
>> servo control, adjustable speed control, emergency reverse and simplified
>> pilot/co-pilot wiring we now have models with that provide 2 user
>> adjustable preset speeds. This feature allows you to control your trim
>> response based on aircraft performance. This feature is especially
>> useful in aircraft with a large performance envelope such as the RVs.
>> For all the details please visit our website. www.tcwtech.com
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Bob Newman. Rv-10
>> #40176
>>
>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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While your system is interesting, my elevator trim motor draws 2-3 amps, my
roll trim is under 1 amp but the elevator is not.
Bruce
www.Glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Newman
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: New product annoucement
<rcnewman@mycingular.blackberry.net>
Tom, The component you found is a multi-position switch. Although it can
select multiple actions it has no way of providing any speed control
function on its own. Additionally, it does not provide any of the valuable
features of Safety-Trim, such as the time limited servo drive, or simplified
pilot/co-pilot wiring.
-Bob Newman
TCW Technolgies
www.tcwtech.com
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
-----Original Message-----
From: "Tom Young" <teyoung1@comcast.net>
To:<rv-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: New product annoucement
I'd be interested to know if anyone has tried a two-speed setup using a
5-position inline switch like this (51MX down at the bottom):
http://www.machinecomp.com/js_sa.htm
First position, slow, push it a little farther, fast. It might be one of
those ideas that seems clever but isn't, but I can't really see why it
wouldn't work. Any thoughts?
Tom Young
RV-4, long, long way to go
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Newman" <rcnewman@mycingular.blackberry.net>
<rv-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 1:54 PM
Subject: RV-List: New product annoucement
> <rcnewman@mycingular.blackberry.net>
>
> Fellow RV builders,
>
> I'm pleased to annouce we have added two new models to the Safety-Trim
> product family. In addition to our standard features of time limited
> servo control, adjustable speed control, emergency reverse and simplified
> pilot/co-pilot wiring we now have models with that provide 2 user
> adjustable preset speeds. This feature allows you to control your trim
> response based on aircraft performance. This feature is especially
> useful in aircraft with a large performance envelope such as the RVs.
> For all the details please visit our website. www.tcwtech.com
>
> Thanks,
> Bob Newman. Rv-10
> #40176
>
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
>
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Oh, sorry I mis-understood. With the Safety-Trim two speed controller you only
need a simple SPST switch to activate the two speeds. The switch just grounds
the "two-speed input" wire or leaves it open. The safety-trim control
box does the rest. The switch can easily be a simple manual switch on the instrument
panel.
-thanks,
Bob Newman.
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
-----Original Message-----
From: "Tom Young" <teyoung1@comcast.net>
To:<rv-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: New product annoucement
I wasn't suggesting that, I was suggesting using that switch with your
two-speed box (or two of the Matronix boxes and a relay) to provide the
multispeed capability at the pilot's fingertips in a single switch, rather
than using a separate switch actuated by the flaps or somesuch.
- Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Newman" <rcnewman@mycingular.blackberry.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 3:02 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: New product annoucement
> <rcnewman@mycingular.blackberry.net>
>
> Tom, The component you found is a multi-position switch. Although it
> can select multiple actions it has no way of providing any speed control
> function on its own. Additionally, it does not provide any of the
> valuable features of Safety-Trim, such as the time limited servo drive, or
> simplified pilot/co-pilot wiring.
>
> -Bob Newman
> TCW Technolgies
> www.tcwtech.com
>
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Tom Young" <teyoung1@comcast.net>
>
> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 12:48:11
> To:<rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: New product annoucement
>
>
>
> I'd be interested to know if anyone has tried a two-speed setup using a
> 5-position inline switch like this (51MX down at the bottom):
>
> http://www.machinecomp.com/js_sa.htm
>
> First position, slow, push it a little farther, fast. It might be one of
> those ideas that seems clever but isn't, but I can't really see why it
> wouldn't work. Any thoughts?
>
> Tom Young
> RV-4, long, long way to go
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob Newman" <rcnewman@mycingular.blackberry.net>
> To: "Matronics list" <rv10-list@matronics.com>; "Matronics list"
> <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 1:54 PM
> Subject: RV-List: New product annoucement
>
>
>> <rcnewman@mycingular.blackberry.net>
>>
>> Fellow RV builders,
>>
>> I'm pleased to annouce we have added two new models to the Safety-Trim
>> product family. In addition to our standard features of time limited
>> servo control, adjustable speed control, emergency reverse and simplified
>> pilot/co-pilot wiring we now have models with that provide 2 user
>> adjustable preset speeds. This feature allows you to control your trim
>> response based on aircraft performance. This feature is especially
>> useful in aircraft with a large performance envelope such as the RVs.
>> For all the details please visit our website. www.tcwtech.com
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Bob Newman. Rv-10
>> #40176
>>
>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Bruce, can you provide me a brand /model # or any other info about your elevator
trim servo. We have not yet run into that limitation before and like to fully
understand it. If there's room to offer another product that drives a common
higher current servo we'd like to look into it.
Thanks,
Bob Newman.
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
-----Original Message-----
From: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
To:<rv-list@matronics.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: New product annoucement
While your system is interesting, my elevator trim motor draws 2-3 amps, my
roll trim is under 1 amp but the elevator is not.
Bruce
www.Glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Newman
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: New product annoucement
<rcnewman@mycingular.blackberry.net>
Tom, The component you found is a multi-position switch. Although it can
select multiple actions it has no way of providing any speed control
function on its own. Additionally, it does not provide any of the valuable
features of Safety-Trim, such as the time limited servo drive, or simplified
pilot/co-pilot wiring.
-Bob Newman
TCW Technolgies
www.tcwtech.com
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
-----Original Message-----
From: "Tom Young" <teyoung1@comcast.net>
To:<rv-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: New product annoucement
I'd be interested to know if anyone has tried a two-speed setup using a
5-position inline switch like this (51MX down at the bottom):
http://www.machinecomp.com/js_sa.htm
First position, slow, push it a little farther, fast. It might be one of
those ideas that seems clever but isn't, but I can't really see why it
wouldn't work. Any thoughts?
Tom Young
RV-4, long, long way to go
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Newman" <rcnewman@mycingular.blackberry.net>
<rv-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 1:54 PM
Subject: RV-List: New product annoucement
> <rcnewman@mycingular.blackberry.net>
>
> Fellow RV builders,
>
> I'm pleased to annouce we have added two new models to the Safety-Trim
> product family. In addition to our standard features of time limited
> servo control, adjustable speed control, emergency reverse and simplified
> pilot/co-pilot wiring we now have models with that provide 2 user
> adjustable preset speeds. This feature allows you to control your trim
> response based on aircraft performance. This feature is especially
> useful in aircraft with a large performance envelope such as the RVs.
> For all the details please visit our website. www.tcwtech.com
>
> Thanks,
> Bob Newman. Rv-10
> #40176
>
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
>
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Sure, I'm aware it can be done simply, I've just been interested in the
possibility of a single-switch approach... I was curious if the idea had any
merit from a piloting point of view -- ergonomics, safety, etc. Maybe I'll
just have to buy one of your nice boxes and blaze that trail myself.
-Tom
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Newman" <rcnewman@mycingular.blackberry.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 4:00 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: New product annoucement
> <rcnewman@mycingular.blackberry.net>
>
> Oh, sorry I mis-understood. With the Safety-Trim two speed controller
> you only need a simple SPST switch to activate the two speeds. The
> switch just grounds the "two-speed input" wire or leaves it open. The
> safety-trim control box does the rest. The switch can easily be a simple
> manual switch on the instrument panel.
>
> -thanks,
> Bob Newman.
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Tom Young" <teyoung1@comcast.net>
>
> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:28:43
> To:<rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: New product annoucement
>
>
>
> I wasn't suggesting that, I was suggesting using that switch with your
> two-speed box (or two of the Matronix boxes and a relay) to provide the
> multispeed capability at the pilot's fingertips in a single switch, rather
> than using a separate switch actuated by the flaps or somesuch.
>
> - Tom
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob Newman" <rcnewman@mycingular.blackberry.net>
> To: "Matronics list" <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 3:02 PM
> Subject: Re: RV-List: New product annoucement
>
>
>> <rcnewman@mycingular.blackberry.net>
>>
>> Tom, The component you found is a multi-position switch. Although it
>> can select multiple actions it has no way of providing any speed control
>> function on its own. Additionally, it does not provide any of the
>> valuable features of Safety-Trim, such as the time limited servo drive,
>> or
>> simplified pilot/co-pilot wiring.
>>
>> -Bob Newman
>> TCW Technolgies
>> www.tcwtech.com
>>
>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "Tom Young" <teyoung1@comcast.net>
>>
>> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 12:48:11
>> To:<rv-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Re: RV-List: New product annoucement
>>
>>
>>
>> I'd be interested to know if anyone has tried a two-speed setup using a
>> 5-position inline switch like this (51MX down at the bottom):
>>
>> http://www.machinecomp.com/js_sa.htm
>>
>> First position, slow, push it a little farther, fast. It might be one of
>> those ideas that seems clever but isn't, but I can't really see why it
>> wouldn't work. Any thoughts?
>>
>> Tom Young
>> RV-4, long, long way to go
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bob Newman" <rcnewman@mycingular.blackberry.net>
>> To: "Matronics list" <rv10-list@matronics.com>; "Matronics list"
>> <rv-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 1:54 PM
>> Subject: RV-List: New product annoucement
>>
>>
>>> <rcnewman@mycingular.blackberry.net>
>>>
>>> Fellow RV builders,
>>>
>>> I'm pleased to annouce we have added two new models to the Safety-Trim
>>> product family. In addition to our standard features of time limited
>>> servo control, adjustable speed control, emergency reverse and
>>> simplified
>>> pilot/co-pilot wiring we now have models with that provide 2 user
>>> adjustable preset speeds. This feature allows you to control your trim
>>> response based on aircraft performance. This feature is especially
>>> useful in aircraft with a large performance envelope such as the RVs.
>>> For all the details please visit our website. www.tcwtech.com
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Bob Newman. Rv-10
>>> #40176
>>>
>>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Tom, I had not fully appreciated the concept you proposed with the 51MX series
switch. But now I do. And the answer is yes! It will work exactly as you described.
One pole of the switch would drive the "two-speed switch input" and
the other pole of the 51MX would drive the respective trim inputs.
-Bob Newman
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
-----Original Message-----
From: "Tom Young" <teyoung1@comcast.net>
To:<rv-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: New product annoucement
Sure, I'm aware it can be done simply, I've just been interested in the
possibility of a single-switch approach... I was curious if the idea had any
merit from a piloting point of view -- ergonomics, safety, etc. Maybe I'll
just have to buy one of your nice boxes and blaze that trail myself.
-Tom
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Newman" <rcnewman@mycingular.blackberry.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 4:00 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: New product annoucement
> <rcnewman@mycingular.blackberry.net>
>
> Oh, sorry I mis-understood. With the Safety-Trim two speed controller
> you only need a simple SPST switch to activate the two speeds. The
> switch just grounds the "two-speed input" wire or leaves it open. The
> safety-trim control box does the rest. The switch can easily be a simple
> manual switch on the instrument panel.
>
> -thanks,
> Bob Newman.
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Tom Young" <teyoung1@comcast.net>
>
> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:28:43
> To:<rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: New product annoucement
>
>
>
> I wasn't suggesting that, I was suggesting using that switch with your
> two-speed box (or two of the Matronix boxes and a relay) to provide the
> multispeed capability at the pilot's fingertips in a single switch, rather
> than using a separate switch actuated by the flaps or somesuch.
>
> - Tom
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob Newman" <rcnewman@mycingular.blackberry.net>
> To: "Matronics list" <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 3:02 PM
> Subject: Re: RV-List: New product annoucement
>
>
>> <rcnewman@mycingular.blackberry.net>
>>
>> Tom, The component you found is a multi-position switch. Although it
>> can select multiple actions it has no way of providing any speed control
>> function on its own. Additionally, it does not provide any of the
>> valuable features of Safety-Trim, such as the time limited servo drive,
>> or
>> simplified pilot/co-pilot wiring.
>>
>> -Bob Newman
>> TCW Technolgies
>> www.tcwtech.com
>>
>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "Tom Young" <teyoung1@comcast.net>
>>
>> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 12:48:11
>> To:<rv-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Re: RV-List: New product annoucement
>>
>>
>>
>> I'd be interested to know if anyone has tried a two-speed setup using a
>> 5-position inline switch like this (51MX down at the bottom):
>>
>> http://www.machinecomp.com/js_sa.htm
>>
>> First position, slow, push it a little farther, fast. It might be one of
>> those ideas that seems clever but isn't, but I can't really see why it
>> wouldn't work. Any thoughts?
>>
>> Tom Young
>> RV-4, long, long way to go
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bob Newman" <rcnewman@mycingular.blackberry.net>
>> To: "Matronics list" <rv10-list@matronics.com>; "Matronics list"
>> <rv-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 1:54 PM
>> Subject: RV-List: New product annoucement
>>
>>
>>> <rcnewman@mycingular.blackberry.net>
>>>
>>> Fellow RV builders,
>>>
>>> I'm pleased to annouce we have added two new models to the Safety-Trim
>>> product family. In addition to our standard features of time limited
>>> servo control, adjustable speed control, emergency reverse and
>>> simplified
>>> pilot/co-pilot wiring we now have models with that provide 2 user
>>> adjustable preset speeds. This feature allows you to control your trim
>>> response based on aircraft performance. This feature is especially
>>> useful in aircraft with a large performance envelope such as the RVs.
>>> For all the details please visit our website. www.tcwtech.com
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Bob Newman. Rv-10
>>> #40176
>>>
>>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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