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1. 02:25 AM - Re: Ignition Problem - Troubleshooting (Bill Settle)
2. 04:27 AM - Re: Ignition Problem - Troubleshooting (Bob J.)
3. 06:10 AM - Re: Prop Mounting-clocking (glen matejcek)
4. 06:57 AM - Re: Ignition Problem - Troubleshooting (Chris Brooks)
5. 07:27 AM - Re: using wing jacks (Greg Williams)
6. 08:55 AM - Denver Area - Hangar Space for lease (L Klingmuller)
7. 09:05 AM - Re: using wing jacks (Sam Buchanan)
8. 09:09 AM - Re: Prop Mounting-clocking (Paul Besing)
9. 10:03 AM - Re: Prop Mounting-clocking (dougpflyrv@aol.com)
10. 10:07 AM - Re: Prop Mounting-clocking (Sam Buchanan)
11. 10:07 AM - Re: Prop Mounting-clocking (Sam Buchanan)
12. 10:10 AM - Re: Prop Mounting-clocking (Tim Bryan)
13. 10:11 AM - Re: Prop Mounting-clocking (Larry Pardue)
14. 10:13 AM - Re: Prop Mounting-clocking (Michael W Stewart)
15. 10:33 AM - Re: using wing jacks (Peter Mather)
16. 11:16 AM - Re: Prop Mounting-clocking (Paul Besing)
17. 11:36 AM - Re: RV-6/6A Trivia-Wing Bellcrank (HCRV6@comcast.net)
18. 05:57 PM - Re: Ignition Problem - Troubleshooting (Larry Bowen)
19. 08:55 PM - Re: Re: Prop Mounting-clocking (linn Walters)
20. 09:21 PM - Re: Prop Mounting-clocking (linn Walters)
21. 09:51 PM - Re: Prop Mounting-clocking (linn Walters)
22. 10:02 PM - Re: Prop Mounting-clocking (Paul Besing)
23. 10:18 PM - Re: Prop Mounting-clocking (linn Walters)
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| Subject: | Re: Ignition Problem - Troubleshooting |
Larry,
What are you planning on using on your 7?
-------------- Original message from "Larry Bowen" <Larry@bowenaero.com>: --------------
Sounds similar to my electroair troubles:
http://bowenaero.com/mt3/2004/10/more_ignition_w_1.html
http://bowenaero.com/mt3/2005/03/electronic_igni.html
http://bowenaero.com/mt3/2005/04/electronic_igni_1.html
--
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
From: Kyle Boatright
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 8:33 PM
Subject: RV-List: Ignition Problem - Troubleshooting
We went from Atlanta to College Station, TX this weekend to see my wife's Aggies
play (and lose to) Kansas..
Today, we made the return trip.
And about 30 miles from home the engine lost a little power (~100 rpm). Some in-flight
troubleshooting showed that the Electroair ignition that I have on the
right side had quit. I flipped the on/off switch several times, reset the breaker,
etc. and the ignition didn't come back to life. That being the case, I
left it off for the remainder of the flight and made sure to stay high enough
to glide to an airstrip if the other ignition system (a magneto) decided to take
the day off too.
And once we landed, I flipped it back on and voila', it was working fine. Which
was a good thing. Sorta...
Because troubleshooting an intermittent problem is a pain in the tuckus.
I plan to check all of the connections between the battery, the breaker, the switch,
and the ignition system. I'll check the ground connections too. Beyond
that, I'll call the folks who are now supporting the ignition and see if they
have any ideas.
Any other thoughts on how to troubleshoot this problem?
Thanks in advance,
Kyle Boatright
N46KB
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<P>What are you planning on using on your 7?<BR></P>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">-------------- Original message from "Larry Bowen" <Larry@bowenaero.com>: -------------- <BR><BR>Sounds similar to my electroair troubles:<BR><BR><A href="http://bowenaero.com/mt3/2004/10/more_ignition_w_1.html">http://bowenaero.com/mt3/2004/10/more_ignition_w_1.html</A><BR><A href="http://bowenaero.com/mt3/2005/03/electronic_igni.html">http://bowenaero.com/mt3/2005/03/electronic_igni.html</A><BR><A href="http://bowenaero.com/mt3/2005/04/electronic_igni_1.html">http://bowenaero.com/mt3/2005/04/electronic_igni_1.html</A><BR clear=all><BR>-- <BR>Larry Bowen <BR><A href="mailto:Larry@BowenAero.com">Larry@BowenAero.com</A><BR><A href="http://bowenaero.com/">http://BowenAero.com</A> <BR><BR>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>We went from Atlanta to College Station, TX this weekend
to see my wife's Aggies play (and lose to) Kansas.. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Today, we made the return trip. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>And about 30 miles from home the engine lost a
little power (~100 rpm). Some in-flight troubleshooting showed
that the Electroair ignition that I have on the right side had quit.
I flipped the on/off switch several times, reset the breaker, etc. and the
ignition didn't come back to life. That being the case, I left it
off for the remainder of the flight and made sure to stay high
enough to glide to an airstrip if the other ignition system (a magneto) decided
to take the day off too.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>And once we landed, I flipped it back on and voila',
it was working fine. Which was a good thing. Sorta...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Because troubleshooting an intermittent problem is
a pain in the tuckus.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I plan to check all of the connections between the
battery, the breaker, the switch, and the ignition system. I'll check the
ground connections too. Beyond that, I'll call the folks who are now
supporting the ignition and see if they have any ideas.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Any other thoughts on how to troubleshoot this problem? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks in advance,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Kyle Boatright</FONT></DIV>
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| Subject: | Re: Ignition Problem - Troubleshooting |
Check the variable reluctance pickup for low resistance or open circuit. If
that checks out check the gap between the gear and the pickup. This is the
part that tends to break over time in the Electroair systems.
I was flying over the middle of Lake Michigan when mine did the same thing.
Regards,
Bob Japundza
RV-6 flying F1 under const.
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| Subject: | RE: Prop Mounting-clocking |
Linn-
>FWIW, 10:00 when viewed from the cockpit. If you ever want to hand prop
>it, that's the best position .... which is 2:00 when you're facing the
>prop.
I though you had a Pitts, not a Moth.... ;-)
glen matejcek
aerobubba@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Re: Ignition Problem - Troubleshooting |
If you monitor all 4 EGT's check them if it happens again to see if it's th
e whole unit, or just a coil. The temps should increase on the cylinders fi
ring only one plug.
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: using wing jacks |
I used the hard plastic jackpoint with a borrowed wingjack. Worked great.
Then I got worried that the plastic would shatter and the wing would jam
down on the jack and make a big dent. So I got a short bolt w/same threads
and used that with some help one side at a time to dismount and rotate my
tires to even out the wear. Still I had this worry that somehow, someway
the jack would come off and drive itself up thru the beautiful, fragile wing
structure. A nightmare in real life!! That's why I wanted something that
would jack up the landing gear itself.
Now, after a bunch of landings (some better than others), I'm going to
replace tires & tubes. I got a piece of 3/4 steel rod to weld to the top of
my scissor jack. Also bent a short piece of 3/8 rod to weld on for a
cranking handle. Hope to weld and paint it today because it isn't going to
be georgeous flying weather in Western Washington until later in the week.
Anyone got a great source for tires? Michelins are on there now and they
work fine.
Greg
On 10/25/07, Dale Ensing <densing@carolina.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
> I use the jack points that Van's sells with his Jackpoint Kit. They appear
> to be a hard plastic and screw into the wing tie down points.
>
>
> http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1193337723-284-291&browse=airframe&product=jackpoint
>
> The wing jack is cupped and the jackpoint fits in very nicely.
> Dale Ensing
>
> > For you guys using wing jacks.Do you put the jack
> > against the tiedown ring,or use a pillow and platform arrangement?
> > George H. Inman
> > ghinman@mts.net
>
>
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| Subject: | Denver Area - Hangar Space for lease |
My hangar mate of several year has sold his RV-6 and I now have a very nice, heated
space for rent.
Location is at KFTG - Front Range Airport - which is user friendly ( no waiting
for traffic, lots of private planes etc) and has one of the lower fuel prices
in the greater Denver area.
If interested send me an off-list e-mail or call my at (303) 984-4469.
Lothar Klingmuller, RV-6A, 750 hrs
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| Subject: | Re: using wing jacks |
Greg Williams wrote:
> I used the hard plastic jackpoint with a borrowed wingjack. Worked great.
> Then I got worried that the plastic would shatter and the wing would jam
> down on the jack and make a big dent. So I got a short bolt w/same threads
> and used that with some help one side at a time to dismount and rotate my
> tires to even out the wear. Still I had this worry that somehow, someway
> the jack would come off and drive itself up thru the beautiful, fragile wing
> structure. A nightmare in real life!! That's why I wanted something that
> would jack up the landing gear itself.
Seeing a jack go through a wing is indeed a real nightmare! We had this
happen to a local -6A, and fortunately (?!?) the jack *only* penetrated
the bottom skin without damaging either the spar or fuel tank. But it
was a mess and very disheartening to deal with.
I don't recall how the jack was attached to the wing but since an RV can
be readily jacked up via a gear leg, and a jack failure is more or less
a minor event when jacking a gear leg, I have *no* desire to use a jack
on the wing.
Sam Buchanan
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Mounting-clocking |
Ok, there is a vote for each...any one care to make a tie breaker?
Paul Besing
----- Original Message ----
From: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 10:20:31 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Prop Mounting-clocking
FWIW, 10:00 when viewed from the cockpit. If you ever want to hand
prop it, that's the best position .... which is 2:00 when you're facing
the prop. It doesn't matter what the 'stopping' position is .... if
you're propping it, you want the rising blade to pass through 2:00 when
the impulse fires at TDC. With the mags off (and a set of plugs
removed is better) you can pull the prop through to see what position
it's in when the impulse clicks.
Linn
Paul Besing wrote:
Ok..try
it again..here goes.
Ok, silly question...my prop needs to be re mounted and I can't for the
life of me remember which position it looks like when stopped..when
looking at it from the cockpit, is the high blade on the left or
right? i.e. the blade you can see should be in the 10:00 or 2:00
position when viewed from the cockpit?
Thanks.
Paul Besing
-----
Original Message ----
From: Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 6:13:49 PM
Subject: RV-List: Prop Mounting-clocking
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Mounting-clocking |
2? o'clock viewd from the cockpit
dp
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com>
Sent: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:09 am
Subject: Re: RV-List: Prop Mounting-clocking
Ok, there is a vote for each...any one care to make a tie breaker?
Paul Besing
----- Original Message ----
From: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 10:20:31 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Prop Mounting-clocking
FWIW, 10:00 when viewed from the cockpit.? If you ever want to hand
prop it, that's the best position .... which is 2:00 when you're facing
the prop.? It doesn't matter what the 'stopping' position is .... if
you're propping it, you want the rising blade to pass through 2:00 when
the impulse fires at TDC.? With the mags off (and a set of plugs
removed is better) you can pull the prop through to see what position
it's in when the impulse clicks.
Linn
Paul Besing wrote:
Ok..try
it again..here goes.
Ok, silly question...my prop needs to be re mounted and I can't for the
life of me remember which position it looks like when stopped..when
looking at it from the cockpit, is the high blade on the left or
right?? i.e. the blade you can see should be in the 10:00 or 2:00
position when viewed from the cockpit?
Thanks.
Paul Besing
-----
Original Message ----
From: Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 6:13:49 PM
Subject: RV-List: Prop Mounting-clocking
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Mounting-clocking |
Paul Besing wrote:
> Ok, there is a vote for each...any one care to make a tie breaker?
>
> Paul Besing
Paul, the high blade will be at the 2:00 position when viewed from the
cockpit (10:00 when facing the prop during a hand-start).
Sam Buchanan
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Mounting-clocking |
Paul Besing wrote:
> Ok, there is a vote for each...any one care to make a tie breaker?
>
> Paul Besing
Paul, the high blade will be at the 2:00 position when viewed from the
cockpit (10:00 when facing the prop during a hand-start).
Sam Buchanan
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| Subject: | Prop Mounting-clocking |
Ok I vote 2:00 when viewed from the cockpit. In these planes you prop from
the right side and want the prop up on that side. That said, I have never
needed to prop my plane but am used to seeing it in this position.
Tim
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[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Besing
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Prop Mounting-clocking
Ok, there is a vote for each...any one care to make a tie breaker?
Paul Besing
----- Original Message ----
From: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 10:20:31 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Prop Mounting-clocking
FWIW, 10:00 when viewed from the cockpit. If you ever want to hand prop it,
that's the best position .... which is 2:00 when you're facing the prop. It
doesn't matter what the 'stopping' position is .... if you're propping it,
you want the rising blade to pass through 2:00 when the impulse fires at
TDC. With the mags off (and a set of plugs removed is better) you can pull
the prop through to see what position it's in when the impulse clicks.
Linn
Paul Besing wrote:
Ok..try it again..here goes.
Ok, silly question...my prop needs to be re mounted and I can't for the life
of me remember which position it looks like when stopped..when looking at it
from the cockpit, is the high blade on the left or right? i.e. the blade
you can see should be in the 10:00 or 2:00 position when viewed from the
cockpit?
Thanks.
Paul Besing
----- Original Message ----
From: Paul Besing <mailto:pbesing@yahoo.com> <pbesing@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 6:13:49 PM
Subject: RV-List: Prop Mounting-clocking
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Mounting-clocking |
Paul,
It's 2:00 viewed from the cockpit. I've propped many airplanes and
that has always been the orientation. I can't imagine trying to prop
one by somehow twisting my body and flipping up on the prop.
The prop usually stops between compressions so as you pull down on
the prop you will be going though a compression, which is what you
want. The impulse coupler works on each and every compression.
Larry Pardue
Carlsbad, NM
http://n5lp.net
On Oct 29, 2007, at 10:09 AM, Paul Besing wrote:
> Ok, there is a vote for each...any one care to make a tie breaker?
>
> Paul Besing
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 10:20:31 PM
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Prop Mounting-clocking
>
> FWIW, 10:00 when viewed from the cockpit. If you ever want to hand
> prop it, that's the best position .... which is 2:00 when you're
> facing the prop. It doesn't matter what the 'stopping' position
> is .... if you're propping it, you want the rising blade to pass
> through 2:00 when the impulse fires at TDC. With the mags off (and
> a set of plugs removed is better) you can pull the prop through to
> see what position it's in when the impulse clicks.
> Linn
>
> Paul Besing wrote:
>> Ok..try it again..here goes.
>>
>>
>> Ok, silly question...my prop needs to be re mounted and I can't
>> for the life of me remember which position it looks like when
>> stopped..when looking at it from the cockpit, is the high blade on
>> the left or right? i.e. the blade you can see should be in the
>> 10:00 or 2:00 position when viewed from the cockpit?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Paul Besing
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com>
>> To: rv-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 6:13:49 PM
>> Subject: RV-List: Prop Mounting-clocking
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Mounting-clocking |
Its 2.
Mike
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Ok, there is a vote for each...any one care to make a tie breaker?
Paul Besing
----- Original Message ----
From: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 10:20:31 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Prop Mounting-clocking
FWIW, 10:00 when viewed from the cockpit. If you ever want to hand pro
p
it, that's the best position .... which is 2:00 when you're facing the
prop. It doesn't matter what the 'stopping' position is .... if you're
propping it, you want the rising blade to pass through 2:00 when the
impulse fires at TDC. With the mags off (and a set of plugs removed is
better) you can pull the prop through to see what position it's in when
the
impulse clicks.
Linn
Paul Besing wrote:
Ok..try it again..here goes.
Ok, silly question...my prop needs to be re mounted and I can't f
or
the life of me remember which position it looks like when
stopped..when looking at it from the cockpit, is the high blade o
n
the left or right? i.e. the blade you can see should be in the 1
0:00
or 2:00 position when viewed from the cockpit?
Thanks.
Paul Besing
----- Original Message ----
From: Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com>
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 6:13:49 PM
Subject: RV-List: Prop Mounting-clocking
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| Subject: | Re: using wing jacks |
The best system I've seen for jacking is as follows:
Bolt two scissor jacks one either end of a strong trestle. Bolt a piece
of 2*4" wood to the tops of the scissor jacks. Pad the wood with foam or
similar. Place under the fuselage across the spar and jack the aircraft
off the ground winding each jack a bit at a time to keep things even.
This is really a variation on the motorbike jack but much cheaper anjd
more stable and allows both mains to be serviced at the same time. Move
up to the firewall to jack the nosewheel (where applicable).
Best regards
Peter
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Mounting-clocking |
Got it thanks folks...one of those things I just couldn't picture, because I've
seen both, but couldn't remember what was "normal".
Paul Besing
----- Original Message ----
From: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 11:06:05 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Prop Mounting-clocking
Paul Besing wrote:
> Ok, there is a vote for each...any one care to make a tie breaker?
>
> Paul Besing
Paul, the high blade will be at the 2:00 position when viewed from the
cockpit (10:00 when facing the prop during a hand-start).
Sam Buchanan
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| Subject: | RV-6/6A Trivia-Wing Bellcrank |
Dean,
I remember the problem well. I offset the bellcrank slightly by modifying the
spacers and using a thin washer and a thin stop nut ( I'm at home and can't recall
the PN but they are in the Spruce catalog). Then ground a couple of threads
of the bolt and wound up with about 1/8 in. clearance. So far seems to work
out O.K.
--
Harry Crosby
RV-6 N16CX, 412 hours
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Steven DiNieri" <capsteve@adelphia.net>
>
> Dean,
> I think the general consensus was to offset the bell crank a bit to create a
> more comfortable clearance. If memory serves, I think I ground down one
> spacer and added thin washers to the opposite side rather than make new
> spacers from scratch.
>
>
> Steve dinieri
> Iflyrv10.com
> capsteve@adelphia.net
>
>
>
>
>
> All ye RV-6/6A builders:
>
> Think waaaay back when you built your wings (actually when you installed the
> aileron bellcranks and pushrods). RV-7/8/9 builders don't apply, you have a
> different bellcrank set up. Anyway, I was installing this for the last time
> tonight and ran into a problem. The bellcrank installed in the mount with
> its quarter inch bolt (and washers/spacers) ok. But when I installed the
> AN3-10A bolt in the hole in the where the pushrod (rod end) goes, (and
> installed a thick washer and nylock nut), the amount of bolt sticking out of
> the nut created interference with the bottom (angle aluminum) mounting rail
> and the bellcrank couldn't move full travel.
>
> The bellcrank mounting rails, if you recall, are 1.5 inches apart and the
> bellcrank is centered between them. Van's old plans call for an AN3-10A
> bolt, thick washer and stop nut but that's obviously wrong. I checked my
> rail spacing just to be sure and yes I built them to the plans. So...I
> switched the bolt to an AN3-7 and with the thick washer and stop nut there
> is 2-3 threads sticking out of the stop nut. The bellcrank rotates freely
> but looking at the clearance between the end of the bolt and the bottom rail
> I would guess about 1/16 of an inch is all I have.
>
> This makes me nervous, the bellcrank mounting rails are 1/8 inch thick and
> that area is pretty stout but, the rod ends mount into the outer ends of the
> bellcrank itself (two pieces of 1/16 plate spaced apart by thick AN3 bolt
> washers in 4 places plus the center bearing mount acting as a spacer). If
> there is much flexing in the outer ends of the bellcrank in flight then it
> might be possible for the bolt end to come in contact with the mounting rail
> and ruin my day (life).
>
> I looked at going to an AN3-6A bolt but it doesn't look like there will be
> ANY threads sticking out of the stop nut when it's tightend (if I'm lucky
> and use a thin washer, I might get the threads to edge of the nylon in the
> end of the stop nut). Also if I used the -6A bolt I'll be violating the
> "grip length rules" (unthreaded bolt shank will not go all the way through
> the parts I'm bolting). Anyone remember having this problem? Did you use the
> -6A bolt or.... the -7A and live with the close clearances? How critical is
> it to adhere to the "grip length" rules?
>
>
> Dean Psiropoulos
> RV-6A N197DM
> If I'd quit running into crazy crap like this I'd be done now!!!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ignition Problem - Troubleshooting |
I'm going to try the mag/EI combo again. This time I'll use the P-mag it
stable, otherwise a lightspeed.
--
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
On 10/29/07, Bill Settle <billsettle@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> Larry,
>
>
> What are you planning on using on your 7?
>
> -------------- Original message from "Larry Bowen" <Larry@bowenaero.com>:
> --------------
>
> Sounds similar to my electroair troubles:
>
> http://bowenaero.com/mt3/2004/10/more_ignition_w_1.html
> http://bowenaero.com/mt3/2005/03/electronic_igni.html
> http://bowenaero.com/mt3/2005/04/electronic_igni_1.html
>
> --
> Larry Bowen
> Larry@BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com <http://bowenaero.com/>
>
> *From:* Kyle Boatright <kboatright1@comcast.net>
> > *To:* rv-list@matronics.com
> > *Sent:* Sunday, October 28, 2007 8:33 PM
> > *Subject:* RV-List: Ignition Problem - Troubleshooting
> >
> > We went from Atlanta to College Station, TX this weekend to see my
> > wife's Aggies play (and lose to) Kansas..
> >
> > Today, we made the return trip.
> >
> > And about 30 miles from home the engine lost a little power (~100 rpm).
> > Some in-flight troubleshooting showed that the Electroair ignition that I
> > have on the right side had quit. I flipped the on/off switch several times,
> > reset the breaker, etc. and the ignition didn't come back to life. That
> > being the case, I left it off for the remainder of the flight and made sure
> > to stay high enough to glide to an airstrip if the other ignition system (a
> > magneto) decided to take the day off too.
> >
> > And once we landed, I flipped it back on and voila', it was working
> > fine. Which was a good thing. Sorta...
> >
> > Because troubleshooting an intermittent problem is a pain in the tuckus.
> >
> > I plan to check all of the connections between the battery, the breaker,
> > the switch, and the ignition system. I'll check the ground connections
> > too. Beyond that, I'll call the folks who are now supporting the ignition
> > and see if they have any ideas.
> >
> > Any other thoughts on how to troubleshoot this problem?
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> >
> > Kyle Boatright
> > N46KB
> >
> > *
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Prop Mounting-clocking |
glen matejcek wrote:
>
>Linn-
>
>
>
>>FWIW, 10:00 when viewed from the cockpit. If you ever want to hand prop
>>it, that's the best position .... which is 2:00 when you're facing the
>>prop.
>>
>>
>
>I though you had a Pitts, not a Moth.... ;-)
>
I do ....and for the first 13 years I hand propped it before I got smart
and put a battery and starter in it. The clue is 'rising blade' that
you didn't quote! ....at least I think I said that! When you pull the
2:00 blade CCW, the impulse will fire when that blade is at 8:00 on the
down stroke.
Linn
>
>glen matejcek
>aerobubba@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Mounting-clocking |
If your prop is mounted that way, try and prop it. Do not do this
alone. Have someone standing by with a cell phone to call an ambulance
... if needed. ;-)
Linn
dougpflyrv@aol.com wrote:
> 2 o'clock viewd from the cockpit
> dp
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com>
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:09 am
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Prop Mounting-clocking
>
> Ok, there is a vote for each...any one care to make a tie breaker?
>
> Paul Besing
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net
> <mailto:pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>>
> To: rv-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 10:20:31 PM
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Prop Mounting-clocking
>
> FWIW, 10:00 when viewed from the cockpit. If you ever want to hand
> prop it, that's the best position .... which is 2:00 when you're
> facing the prop. It doesn't matter what the 'stopping' position is
> .... if you're propping it, you want the rising blade to pass through
> 2:00 when the impulse fires at TDC. With the mags off (and a set of
> plugs removed is better) you can pull the prop through to see what
> position it's in when the impulse clicks.
> Linn
>
> Paul Besing wrote:
>
>> Ok..try it again..here goes.
>>
>>
>> Ok, silly question...my prop needs to be re mounted and I can't for
>> the life of me remember which position it looks like when
>> stopped..when looking at it from the cockpit, is the high blade on
>> the left or right? i.e. the blade you can see should be in the 10:00
>> or 2:00 position when viewed from the cockpit?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Paul Besing
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com>
>> To: rv-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 6:13:49 PM
>> Subject: RV-List: Prop Mounting-clocking
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Mounting-clocking |
Why does everyone have an overwhelming support for 2:00 then?
----- Original Message ----
From: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 10:22:18 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Prop Mounting-clocking
If your prop is mounted that way, try and prop it. Do not do this
alone. Have someone standing by with a cell phone to call an ambulance
... if needed. ;-)
Linn
dougpflyrv@aol.com wrote:
2 o'clock viewd
from the cockpit
dp
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com>
Sent: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:09 am
Subject: Re: RV-List: Prop Mounting-clocking
Ok,
there is a vote for each...any one care to make a tie breaker?
Paul Besing
-----
Original Message ----
From: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 10:20:31 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Prop Mounting-clocking
FWIW, 10:00 when viewed from the cockpit. If you ever want to hand
prop it, that's the best position .... which is 2:00 when you're facing
the prop. It doesn't matter what the 'stopping' position is .... if
you're propping it, you want the rising blade to pass through 2:00 when
the impulse fires at TDC. With the mags off (and a set of plugs
removed is better) you can pull the prop through to see what position
it's in when the impulse clicks.
Linn
Paul Besing wrote:
Ok..try
it again..here goes.
Ok, silly question...my prop needs to be re mounted and I can't for the
life of me remember which position it looks like when stopped..when
looking at it from the cockpit, is the high blade on the left or
right? i.e. the blade you can see should be in the 10:00 or 2:00
position when viewed from the cockpit?
Thanks.
Paul Besing
-----
Original Message ----
From: Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 6:13:49 PM
Subject: RV-List: Prop Mounting-clocking
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Mounting-clocking |
This is what I sent in another email .... but it hasn't shown up yet. I
apologize if y'all get it twice! Also noted error from other post :-(
. Fixed in red .... like my face! We all may be talking the same end
result.
Nice pic!
I see where the confusion comes in. I talk about when the impulse mag
fires ..... which should be in the 2:00/8:00 position as viewed from the
front, not where the prop stops. As you pull the '2:00' prop blade
around, the compression stroke will start and, hopefully that same blade
will be at 8:00 when the impulse fires. The prop may, indeed, stop with
the prop in the 2:00/8:00 position as viewed from the cockpit on a 4
cylinder engine, but I'm pretty sure it's different on a 6 cyl engine.
In my mind it doesn't matter where in rotation the prop stops, it's
where the mag fires and the prop 'starts' that's important. I may have
been a little premature (and harsh maybe) in my reply to DP .... and I
apologize. No offense meant. Again, I clock the prop on where the mag
fires, not where it stops. Hope this helps!
BTW, I also caution my friends (and enemies) to get some instruction on
how to properly 'hand prop an airplane. I've had some friends injured
.... none fatally ..... in their education process.
Linn
Paul Besing wrote:
> Why does everyone have an overwhelming support for 2:00 then?
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 10:22:18 PM
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Prop Mounting-clocking
>
> If your prop is mounted that way, try and prop it. Do not do this
> alone. Have someone standing by with a cell phone to call an
> ambulance ... if needed. ;-)
> Linn
>
> dougpflyrv@aol.com wrote:
>
>> 2 o'clock viewd from the cockpit
>> dp
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com>
>> To: rv-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:09 am
>> Subject: Re: RV-List: Prop Mounting-clocking
>>
>> Ok, there is a vote for each...any one care to make a tie breaker?
>>
>> Paul Besing
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net
>> <mailto:pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>>
>> To: rv-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 10:20:31 PM
>> Subject: Re: RV-List: Prop Mounting-clocking
>>
>> FWIW, 10:00 when viewed from the cockpit. If you ever want to hand
>> prop it, that's the best position .... which is 2:00 when you're
>> facing the prop. It doesn't matter what the 'stopping' position is
>> .... if you're propping it, you want the rising blade to pass through
>> 2:00 when the impulse fires at TDC. With the mags off (and a set of
>> plugs removed is better) you can pull the prop through to see what
>> position it's in when the impulse clicks.
>> Linn
>>
>> Paul Besing wrote:
>>
>>> Ok..try it again..here goes.
>>>
>>>
>>> Ok, silly question...my prop needs to be re mounted and I can't for
>>> the life of me remember which position it looks like when
>>> stopped..when looking at it from the cockpit, is the high blade on
>>> the left or right? i.e. the blade you can see should be in the
>>> 10:00 or 2:00 position when viewed from the cockpit?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Paul Besing
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>> From: Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com>
>>> To: rv-list@matronics.com
>>> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 6:13:49 PM
>>> Subject: RV-List: Prop Mounting-clocking
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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