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Thu 11/01/07


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     0. 12:34 AM - November is Matronics Email List Fund Raiser Month! (Matt Dralle)
     1. 06:54 AM - Re: RV8 comm antenna spacing (Richard Seiders)
     2. 09:36 AM - Nose Gear Leg Intersection Fairing (Jeff Dowling)
     3. 10:04 AM - Re: Nose Gear Leg Intersection Fairing (Ed Anderson)
     4. 10:18 AM - Re: Nose Gear Leg Intersection Fairing (Ron Lee)
     5. 11:38 AM - Re: Nose Gear Leg Intersection Fairing  (Rick Galati)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:34:13 AM PST US
    From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
    Subject: November is Matronics Email List Fund Raiser Month!
    Dear Listers, You've probably noticed that there are no banner ads or pop-up windows or spam from any of the List and Forum services at Matronics. These include, for example: The Email List Postings - http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse The Email List Forum Site - http://forums.matronics.com The List Wiki - http://wiki.matronics.com The List Search Engine - http://www.matronics.com/search This is because I have always enjoyed a List experience that was completely about the sport we enjoy - airplanes - and not about advertising! But running a high performance, highly available service like this isn't free and a fair amount of money in terms of computer upgrades, business-class Internet connectivity, and electricity. Consequently, many similar sites turn to advertising to support these costs. Advertising that you have to look at each and every time you read an email message or browse the their web site. Rather than subject my List community to another constant commercial bombardment, I have chosen to hold a PBS-like fund raiser each year in November to support the continued operation and upgrade of the List services. It's solely through the Contributions of List members that the Lists and Forums continue to be possible! During the month, I will be sending out a Fund Raiser reminder message every few days and I ask for your patience and understanding during the month throughout these regular messages. Think of them as PBS' Pledge Breaks... :-) To minimize the impact of the Fund Raiser on the List community, I implemented a new feature late last year specifically related to making Contributions. If you are an Email List subscriber, once you make a Contribution using the online web site, you will no longer receive the email from me regarding the Fund Raiser! There are a couple of exceptions to this, however. If someone replies to a Contribution message I've sent, you might receive that. Additionally, the messages will always be posted to the Forums site. To a first order, however, once you make a Contribution, you won't get my email messages about the Fund Raiser for the rest of the month. For Contributions by check, the squelch will take effect once the check is received. There is a whole new line up of really great Contribution gifts this year! When you make a qualifying Contribution, you can select one of the many free gifts that are available during the Fund Raiser. These gifts are provided through the generous support of a number of our industry's leading supporters including: Bob Nuckolls - AeroElectric - http://www.aeroelectric.com Andy Gold - Builder's Bookstore - http://www.buildersbooks.com Jon Croke - HomebuiltHELP - http://www.homebuilthelp.com Please visit these guy's respective sites, as they have some great products to offer and are generously supporting the Matronics List Fund Raiser. You can make your List Contribution using any one of three secure methods this year including using a credit card, PayPal, or by personal check. From the Contribution site, you can select any one of this year's free gifts with a qualifying Contribution amount. The Contribution page is pretty loooonnnnng this year in order to list great selection of great gifts available so be sure to scroll all the way to the bottom of the web page to see everything that's available! Please make a List Support Contribution: http://www.matronics.com/contribution I would like to thank everyone in advance for their generous support! Your Contributions truely keep this operation afloat! Thank you, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Forum Administrator


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    Time: 06:54:17 AM PST US
    From: Richard Seiders <seiders@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: RV8 comm antenna spacing
    Thought we were talking about a 6, my mistake. At 04:33 PM 10/31/2007, you wrote: > >The RV-8 canopy slides over the whole aft fuselage, all the way back >to the empennage fairing, so it is not possible to mount a comm >antenna on top of the aft fuselage. > >Kevin Horton > >On 31 Oct 2007, at 12:04, Richard Seiders wrote: > >> >>Sam, Put one on the belly between the gear and put a Rami type on >>top of fuse aft of canopy. No problems with this setup and less >>shadowing. >>Dick >> >> >>At 04:36 PM 10/30/2007, you wrote: >> >>> >>>Has anyone out there been flying with two comm >>>antennas mounted on their rv8 belly, just aft of the >>>fuselage spar carry through bulkhead? Any problems >>>with coupling between the antennas or reception? >>> >>>Sam Ray > >


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    Time: 09:36:31 AM PST US
    From: Jeff Dowling <shempdowling2@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Nose Gear Leg Intersection Fairing
    For those flying the nose draggers with an intersection fairing attacthed to the cowl, have you found you need some space between the front of the fairing and gear leg fairing for stretch/movement of leg on landing? I have it pretty tight right now but am thinking a hard landing will flex the leg and crack the fairing. Thanks Shemp N915JD RV-6A, 300+ Chicago Dave/Deb wrote: > The clock in my airplane shop is digital... now what? hee hee > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* dougpflyrv@aol.com <mailto:dougpflyrv@aol.com> > *To:* rv-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv-list@matronics.com> > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 30, 2007 11:02 AM > *Subject:* Re: RV-List: Prop Mounting-clocking > > I THINK THIS SHOULD GET ALL OF US ON THE SAME PAGE.......NO > PROBLEM LINN. > DP > > > -----Original Message----- > From: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net > <mailto:pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>> > To: rv-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 1:19 am > Subject: Re: RV-List: Prop Mounting-clocking > > This is what I sent in another email .... but it hasn't shown up > yet. I apologize if y'all get it twice! Also noted error from > other post :-( . Fixed in red .... like my face! We all may be > talking the same end result. > > Nice pic! > I see where the confusion comes in. I talk about when the impulse > mag fires ..... which should be in the 2:00/8:00 position as > viewed from the front, not where the prop stops. As you pull the > '2:00' prop blade around, the compression stroke will start and, > hopefully that same blade will be at 8:00 when the impulse fires. > The prop may, indeed, stop with the prop in the 2:00/8:00 position > as viewed from the cockpit on a 4 cylinder engine, but I'm pretty > sure it's different on a 6 cyl engine. In my mind it doesn't > matter where in rotation the prop stops, it's where the mag fires > and the prop 'starts' that's important. I may have been a little > premature (and harsh maybe) in my reply to DP .... and I > apologize. No offense meant. Again, I clock the prop on where > the mag fires, not where it stops. Hope this helps! > > BTW, I also caution my friends (and enemies) to get some > instruction on how to properly 'hand prop an airplane. I've had > some friends injured .... none fatally ..... in their education > process. > Linn > > Paul Besing wrote: >> Why does everyone have an overwhelming support for 2:00 then? >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net> >> To: rv-list@matronics.com >> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 10:22:18 PM >> Subject: Re: RV-List: Prop Mounting-clocking >> >> If your prop is mounted that way, try and prop it. Do not do >> this alone. Have someone standing by with a cell phone to call >> an ambulance ... if needed. ;-) >> Linn >> >> dougpflyrv@aol.com wrote: >>> 2 o'clock viewd from the cockpit >>> dp >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com> >>> To: rv-list@matronics.com >>> Sent: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:09 am >>> Subject: Re: RV-List: Prop Mounting-clocking >>> >>> Ok, there is a vote for each...any one care to make a tie breaker? >>> >>> Paul Besing >>> >>> ----- Original Message ---- >>> From: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net >>> <mailto:pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>> >>> To: rv-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv-list@matronics.com> >>> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 10:20:31 PM >>> Subject: Re: RV-List: Prop Mounting-clocking >>> >>> FWIW, 10:00 when viewed from the cockpit. If you ever want to >>> hand prop it, that's the best position .... which is 2:00 when >>> you're facing the prop. It doesn't matter what the 'stopping' >>> position is .... if you're propping it, you want the rising >>> blade to pass through 2:00 when the impulse fires at TDC. With >>> the mags off (and a set of plugs removed is better) you can pull >>> the prop through to see what position it's in when the impulse >>> clicks. >>> Linn >>> >>> Paul Besing wrote: >>>> Ok..try it again..here goes. >>>> >>>> >>>> Ok, silly question...my prop needs to be re mounted and I can't >>>> for the life of me remember which position it looks like when >>>> stopped..when looking at it from the cockpit, is the high blade >>>> on the left or right? i.e. the blade you can see should be in >>>> the 10:00 or 2:00 position when viewed from the cockpit? >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> Paul Besing >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ---- >>>> From: Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com> >>>> To: rv-list@matronics.com >>>> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 6:13:49 PM >>>> Subject: RV-List: Prop Mounting-clocking >>>> >>>> * >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> * >>> >>> * >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> * >>> ** >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ** >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL >>> Mail >>> <http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/index.htm?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000970>! >>> * >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> * >> >> * >> >> >> >> >> >> * > > * > > > * > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > * > > * > > > *


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    Time: 10:04:29 AM PST US
    From: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Nose Gear Leg Intersection Fairing
    Jeff, I had a hard enough landing to require replacing the main landing gear in my Rv-6A and the front gear did not damage the fairing at all. YMMV Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling2@earthlink.net> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 12:34 PM Subject: RV-List: Nose Gear Leg Intersection Fairing > > For those flying the nose draggers with an intersection fairing attacthed > to the cowl, have you found you need some space between the front of the > fairing and gear leg fairing for stretch/movement of leg on landing? I > have it pretty tight right now but am thinking a hard landing will flex > the leg and crack the fairing. > > Thanks > Shemp > N915JD > RV-6A, 300+ > Chicago > > Dave/Deb wrote: >> The clock in my airplane shop is digital... now what? hee hee >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* dougpflyrv@aol.com <mailto:dougpflyrv@aol.com> >> *To:* rv-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv-list@matronics.com> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 30, 2007 11:02 AM >> *Subject:* Re: RV-List: Prop Mounting-clocking >> >> I THINK THIS SHOULD GET ALL OF US ON THE SAME PAGE.......NO >> PROBLEM LINN. >> DP >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net >> <mailto:pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>> >> To: rv-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv-list@matronics.com> >> Sent: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 1:19 am >> Subject: Re: RV-List: Prop Mounting-clocking >> >> This is what I sent in another email .... but it hasn't shown up >> yet. I apologize if y'all get it twice! Also noted error from >> other post :-( . Fixed in red .... like my face! We all may be >> talking the same end result. >> >> Nice pic! >> I see where the confusion comes in. I talk about when the impulse >> mag fires ..... which should be in the 2:00/8:00 position as >> viewed from the front, not where the prop stops. As you pull the >> '2:00' prop blade around, the compression stroke will start and, >> hopefully that same blade will be at 8:00 when the impulse fires. The >> prop may, indeed, stop with the prop in the 2:00/8:00 position >> as viewed from the cockpit on a 4 cylinder engine, but I'm pretty >> sure it's different on a 6 cyl engine. In my mind it doesn't >> matter where in rotation the prop stops, it's where the mag fires >> and the prop 'starts' that's important. I may have been a little >> premature (and harsh maybe) in my reply to DP .... and I >> apologize. No offense meant. Again, I clock the prop on where >> the mag fires, not where it stops. Hope this helps! >> >> BTW, I also caution my friends (and enemies) to get some >> instruction on how to properly 'hand prop an airplane. I've had >> some friends injured .... none fatally ..... in their education >> process. >> Linn >> >> Paul Besing wrote: >>> Why does everyone have an overwhelming support for 2:00 then? >>> >>> ----- Original Message ---- >>> From: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net> >>> To: rv-list@matronics.com >>> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 10:22:18 PM >>> Subject: Re: RV-List: Prop Mounting-clocking >>> >>> If your prop is mounted that way, try and prop it. Do not do >>> this alone. Have someone standing by with a cell phone to call >>> an ambulance ... if needed. ;-) >>> Linn >>> >>> dougpflyrv@aol.com wrote: >>>> 2 o'clock viewd from the cockpit >>>> dp >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com> >>>> To: rv-list@matronics.com >>>> Sent: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:09 am >>>> Subject: Re: RV-List: Prop Mounting-clocking >>>> >>>> Ok, there is a vote for each...any one care to make a tie breaker? >>>> >>>> Paul Besing >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ---- >>>> From: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net >>>> <mailto:pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>> >>>> To: rv-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv-list@matronics.com> >>>> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 10:20:31 PM >>>> Subject: Re: RV-List: Prop Mounting-clocking >>>> >>>> FWIW, 10:00 when viewed from the cockpit. If you ever want to >>>> hand prop it, that's the best position .... which is 2:00 when >>>> you're facing the prop. It doesn't matter what the 'stopping' >>>> position is .... if you're propping it, you want the rising >>>> blade to pass through 2:00 when the impulse fires at TDC. With >>>> the mags off (and a set of plugs removed is better) you can pull >>>> the prop through to see what position it's in when the impulse >>>> clicks. >>>> Linn >>>> >>>> Paul Besing wrote: >>>>> Ok..try it again..here goes. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Ok, silly question...my prop needs to be re mounted and I can't >>>>> for the life of me remember which position it looks like when >>>>> stopped..when looking at it from the cockpit, is the high blade >>>>> on the left or right? i.e. the blade you can see should be in >>>>> the 10:00 or 2:00 position when viewed from the cockpit? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks. >>>>> >>>>> Paul Besing >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ---- >>>>> From: Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com> >>>>> To: rv-list@matronics.com >>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 6:13:49 PM >>>>> Subject: RV-List: Prop Mounting-clocking >>>>> >>>>> * >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> * >>>> >>>> * >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> * >>>> ** >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ** >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL >>>> Mail >>>> >>>> <http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/index.htm?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000970>! >>>> * >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> * >>> >>> * >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> * >> >> * >> >> >> >> >> >> * >> >> * >> >> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List >> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> >> * >> >> * >> >> >> * > > >


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    Time: 10:18:42 AM PST US
    From: "Ron Lee" <ronlee@pcisys.net>
    Subject: Re: Nose Gear Leg Intersection Fairing
    Yes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling2@earthlink.net> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 10:34 AM Subject: RV-List: Nose Gear Leg Intersection Fairing > > For those flying the nose draggers with an intersection fairing attacthed > to the cowl, have you found you need some space between the front of the > fairing and gear leg fairing for stretch/movement of leg on landing? I > have it pretty tight right now but am thinking a hard landing will flex > the leg and crack the fairing. > > Thanks > Shemp > N915JD > RV-6A, 300+ > Chicago > > Dave/Deb wrote: >> The clock in my airplane shop is digital... now what? hee hee >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* dougpflyrv@aol.com <mailto:dougpflyrv@aol.com> >> *To:* rv-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv-list@matronics.com> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 30, 2007 11:02 AM >> *Subject:* Re: RV-List: Prop Mounting-clocking >> >> I THINK THIS SHOULD GET ALL OF US ON THE SAME PAGE.......NO >> PROBLEM LINN. >> DP >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net >> <mailto:pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>> >> To: rv-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv-list@matronics.com> >> Sent: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 1:19 am >> Subject: Re: RV-List: Prop Mounting-clocking >> >> This is what I sent in another email .... but it hasn't shown up >> yet. I apologize if y'all get it twice! Also noted error from >> other post :-( . Fixed in red .... like my face! We all may be >> talking the same end result. >> >> Nice pic! >> I see where the confusion comes in. I talk about when the impulse >> mag fires ..... which should be in the 2:00/8:00 position as >> viewed from the front, not where the prop stops. As you pull the >> '2:00' prop blade around, the compression stroke will start and, >> hopefully that same blade will be at 8:00 when the impulse fires. The >> prop may, indeed, stop with the prop in the 2:00/8:00 position >> as viewed from the cockpit on a 4 cylinder engine, but I'm pretty >> sure it's different on a 6 cyl engine. In my mind it doesn't >> matter where in rotation the prop stops, it's where the mag fires >> and the prop 'starts' that's important. I may have been a little >> premature (and harsh maybe) in my reply to DP .... and I >> apologize. No offense meant. Again, I clock the prop on where >> the mag fires, not where it stops. Hope this helps! >> >> BTW, I also caution my friends (and enemies) to get some >> instruction on how to properly 'hand prop an airplane. I've had >> some friends injured .... none fatally ..... in their education >> process. >> Linn >> >> Paul Besing wrote: >>> Why does everyone have an overwhelming support for 2:00 then? >>> >>> ----- Original Message ---- >>> From: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net> >>> To: rv-list@matronics.com >>> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 10:22:18 PM >>> Subject: Re: RV-List: Prop Mounting-clocking >>> >>> If your prop is mounted that way, try and prop it. Do not do >>> this alone. Have someone standing by with a cell phone to call >>> an ambulance ... if needed. ;-) >>> Linn >>> >>> dougpflyrv@aol.com wrote: >>>> 2 o'clock viewd from the cockpit >>>> dp >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com> >>>> To: rv-list@matronics.com >>>> Sent: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:09 am >>>> Subject: Re: RV-List: Prop Mounting-clocking >>>> >>>> Ok, there is a vote for each...any one care to make a tie breaker? >>>> >>>> Paul Besing >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ---- >>>> From: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net >>>> <mailto:pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>> >>>> To: rv-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv-list@matronics.com> >>>> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 10:20:31 PM >>>> Subject: Re: RV-List: Prop Mounting-clocking >>>> >>>> FWIW, 10:00 when viewed from the cockpit. If you ever want to >>>> hand prop it, that's the best position .... which is 2:00 when >>>> you're facing the prop. It doesn't matter what the 'stopping' >>>> position is .... if you're propping it, you want the rising >>>> blade to pass through 2:00 when the impulse fires at TDC. With >>>> the mags off (and a set of plugs removed is better) you can pull >>>> the prop through to see what position it's in when the impulse >>>> clicks. >>>> Linn >>>> >>>> Paul Besing wrote: >>>>> Ok..try it again..here goes. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Ok, silly question...my prop needs to be re mounted and I can't >>>>> for the life of me remember which position it looks like when >>>>> stopped..when looking at it from the cockpit, is the high blade >>>>> on the left or right? i.e. the blade you can see should be in >>>>> the 10:00 or 2:00 position when viewed from the cockpit? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks. >>>>> >>>>> Paul Besing >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ---- >>>>> From: Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com> >>>>> To: rv-list@matronics.com >>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 6:13:49 PM >>>>> Subject: RV-List: Prop Mounting-clocking >>>>> >>>>> * >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> * >>>> >>>> * >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> * >>>> ** >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ** >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL >>>> Mail >>>> >>>> <http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/index.htm?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000970>! >>>> * >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> * >>> >>> * >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> * >> >> * >> >> >> >> >> >> * >> >> * >> >> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List >> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> >> * >> >> * >> >> >> * > > >


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    Time: 11:38:15 AM PST US
    From: Rick Galati <rick6a@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Nose Gear Leg Intersection Fairing
    Yes. My upper nose gear fairing rubs against the leg fairing and though not damaged, it does scuff the paint off. This would have been prevented had I the foresight to place a few hundred pounds of weight in the cockpit to simulate gross weight conditions prior to locating and installing that fairing. At the least, prior to locating the fairing permanently, I suggest positioning it so that some gap exists between it and the forward nose of the leg fairing when the plane is empty and at rest. Rick Galati RV-6A "Darla!" RV-8 FWF




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