---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 11/08/07: 21 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:26 AM - Re: Aileron trailing edge skislope effectAileron trailing edge skislope effect (Charles Heathco) 2. 02:23 PM - Question for A&P Types (or anyone) (Tim Bryan) 3. 03:56 PM - Re: Question for A&P Types (or anyone) (dougpflyrv@aol.com) 4. 04:13 PM - Re: Question for A&P Types (or anyone) (Dave Saylor) 5. 04:24 PM - Re: Question for A&P Types (or anyone) (David Burton) 6. 04:28 PM - Re: Question for A&P Types (or anyone) (Dale Walter) 7. 04:45 PM - Re: Question for A&P Types (or anyone) (c.ennis) 8. 04:50 PM - Re: Question for A&P Types (or anyone) (linn Walters) 9. 05:26 PM - Re: Question for A&P Types (or anyone) (Bruce Gray) 10. 06:22 PM - Re: Question for A&P Types (or anyone) (Sherman Butler) 11. 07:20 PM - Re: Question for A&P Types (or anyone) (Greg Williams) 12. 07:45 PM - Re: Question for A&P Types (or anyone) (Darrell Reiley) 13. 07:56 PM - For sale: Matco wheels and brakes (vft@aol.com) 14. 08:12 PM - Re: Question for A&P Types (or anyone) (Jeff Dowling) 15. 08:21 PM - Re: Question for A&P Types (or anyone) (Scott) 16. 09:51 PM - Re: Question for A&P Types (or anyone) (Bruce Gray) 17. 09:58 PM - Re: Aileron trailing edge skislope effectAileron trailing edge skislope effect (Michael D. Cencula) 18. 10:15 PM - Re: Question for A&P Types (or anyone) (Darrell Reiley) 19. 10:25 PM - Re: Question for A&P Types (or anyone) (Mike Robertson) 20. 10:54 PM - Re: Question for A&P Types (or anyone) (Bruce Gray) 21. 11:40 PM - Re: Question for A&P Types (or anyone) (linn Walters) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:26:16 AM PST US From: "Charles Heathco" Subject: Re: RV-List: Aileron trailing edge skislope effectAileron trailing edge skislope effect Wow! what did vans say re such a noticable missmatch? Charlie Heathco ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:23:21 PM PST US From: "Tim Bryan" Subject: RV-List: Question for A&P Types (or anyone) Hi all, I am planning to start my first condition inspection on my -6 today. It was due by the end of the month in October, but travel got in my way of completing it. I would like to get the oil warmed up good before draining it and also doing the compression check. It seems I didn't really get it warmed up good last time I tried to just take it out and run it up. Am I allowed to do a solo flight to warm the oil up as a test flight even though it is not current? Thanks Tim ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:56:46 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Question for A&P Types (or anyone) From: dougpflyrv@aol.com NO!!! -----Original Message----- From: Tim Bryan Sent: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 2:50 pm Subject: RV-List: Question for A&P Types (or anyone) Hi all, =C2- I am planning to start my first condition inspection on my -6 today.=C2- I t was due by the end of the month in October, but travel got in my way of co mpleting it.=C2- I would like to get the oil warmed up good before drainin g it and also doing the compression check.=C2- It seems I didn=99t r eally get it warmed up good last time I tried to just take it out and run it up.=C2- Am I allowed to do a solo flight to warm the oil up as a test fli ght even though it is not current? =C2- Thanks Tim ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http ://mail.aol.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:13:31 PM PST US From: "Dave Saylor" Subject: RE: RV-List: Question for A&P Types (or anyone) Not if your operating limitations are like everyone else's. But you could do a compression check as warm as you can get it, along with the rest of the condition inspection, then sign it off and fly it assuming the compression check was OK. Then change the oil after the inspection. I wouldn't think the FAA would be thrilled to find out it was out of annual if anything happened, but your insurance company would be overjoyed... Dave Saylor AirCrafters LLC 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 831-722-9141 831-750-0284 CL www.AirCraftersLLC.com _____ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Bryan Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 12:50 PM Subject: RV-List: Question for A&P Types (or anyone) Hi all, I am planning to start my first condition inspection on my -6 today. It was due by the end of the month in October, but travel got in my way of completing it. I would like to get the oil warmed up good before draining it and also doing the compression check. It seems I didn't really get it warmed up good last time I tried to just take it out and run it up. Am I allowed to do a solo flight to warm the oil up as a test flight even though it is not current? Thanks Tim ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:24:25 PM PST US From: "David Burton" Subject: RE: RV-List: Question for A&P Types (or anyone) Hi Tim, I believe you need a ferry permit to fly it legally. Check with the local FSDO to see what they have to say about this. It shouldn't be a big deal. Dave RV6 _____ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dougpflyrv@aol.com Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 3:12 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Question for A&P Types (or anyone) NO!!! -----Original Message----- From: Tim Bryan Sent: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 2:50 pm Subject: RV-List: Question for A&P Types (or anyone) Hi all, I am planning to start my first condition inspection on my -6 today. It was due by the end of the month in October, but travel got in my way of completing it. I would like to get the oil warmed up good before draining it and also doing the compression check. It seems I didn't really get it warmed up good last time I tried to just take it out and run it up. Am I allowed to do a solo flight to warm the oil up as a test flight even though it is not current? Thanks Tim ========== ution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== or?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List ========== p://forums.matronics.com ========== _____ size=2 width="100%" align=center> Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail ! ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:28:33 PM PST US From: "Dale Walter" Subject: RE: RV-List: Question for A&P Types (or anyone) Your biggest risk is insurance will not cover it during that time. Dale _____ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Bryan Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 3:50 PM Subject: RV-List: Question for A&P Types (or anyone) Hi all, I am planning to start my first condition inspection on my -6 today. It was due by the end of the month in October, but travel got in my way of completing it. I would like to get the oil warmed up good before draining it and also doing the compression check. It seems I didn't really get it warmed up good last time I tried to just take it out and run it up. Am I allowed to do a solo flight to warm the oil up as a test flight even though it is not current? Thanks Tim ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:45:21 PM PST US From: "c.ennis" Subject: Re: RV-List: Question for A&P Types (or anyone) No, for all intents and purposes your aircraft is illegal to fly, just as y ou are when your medical expires. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:50:26 PM PST US From: linn Walters Subject: Re: RV-List: Question for A&P Types (or anyone) Tim, I can't reply to the legalities. But, I'll be the devils advocate and pose the question: Who (other than yourself and the rest of the list :-P ) would know or find out if you flew your airplane out of 'conditional inspection'??? AFAIK, nobody will question your 'conditional inspection' unless you really mess up and substantially damage the airplane and have to report the incident. I make a 'conditional inspection' every time I get in my homebuilt. I just don't log it. Once a year (or thereabouts) I do a 'more thorough' conditional inspection, which I log. Linn do not archive Tim Bryan wrote: >Hi all, > > > >I am planning to start my first condition inspection on my -6 today. It was due by the end of the month in October, but travel got in my way of completing it. I would like to get the oil warmed up good before draining it and also doing the compression check. It seems I didn't really get it warmed up good last time I tried to just take it out and run it up. Am I allowed to do a solo flight to warm the oil up as a test flight even though it is not current? > > > >Thanks > >Tim > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:26:01 PM PST US From: "Bruce Gray" Subject: RE: RV-List: Question for A&P Types (or anyone) Sure, you just can't fly it until you finish and sign off the condition inspection. Bruce www.Glasair.org -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Bryan Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 3:50 PM Subject: RV-List: Question for A&P Types (or anyone) Hi all, I am planning to start my first condition inspection on my -6 today. It was due by the end of the month in October, but travel got in my way of completing it. I would like to get the oil warmed up good before draining it and also doing the compression check. It seems I didn't really get it warmed up good last time I tried to just take it out and run it up. Am I allowed to do a solo flight to warm the oil up as a test flight even though it is not current? Thanks Tim ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:22:22 PM PST US From: Sherman Butler Subject: Re: RV-List: Question for A&P Types (or anyone) A ferry permit is not a big deal. An A&P will make a long entry, CALL your insurance Co to let them know. I flew from TN to TX on a ferry permit, when a grumman expert just did not show up for over a month to do the annual and could not set a date. A local guy signed it for $20, as he was at the airport anyway. Tim Bryan wrote: Hi all, I am planning to start my first condition inspection on my -6 today. It was due by the end of the month in October, but travel got in my way of completing it. I would like to get the oil warmed up good before draining it and also doing the compression check. It seems I didnt really get it warmed up good last time I tried to just take it out and run it up. Am I allowed to do a solo flight to warm the oil up as a test flight even though it is not current? Thanks Tim Sherman Butler RV-7a Wings Idaho Falls __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:20:27 PM PST US From: "Greg Williams" Subject: Re: RV-List: Question for A&P Types (or anyone) Along a similar line, what does a non-builder have to do to get a certificate to do his own condition inspection? On Nov 8, 2007 3:07 PM, Bruce Gray wrote: > Sure, you just can't fly it until you finish and sign off the condition > inspection. > > > Bruce > > www.Glasair.org > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Tim Bryan > *Sent:* Thursday, November 08, 2007 3:50 PM > *To:* rv-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* RV-List: Question for A&P Types (or anyone) > > Hi all, > > > I am planning to start my first condition inspection on my -6 today. It was due by the end of the month in October, but travel got in my way of completing it. I would like to get the oil warmed up good before draining it and also doing the compression check. It seems I didn't really get it warmed up good last time I tried to just take it out and run it up. Am I allowed to do a solo flight to warm the oil up as a test flight even though it is not current? > > > Thanks > > Tim** > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > * > > * > > > * > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:45:32 PM PST US From: Darrell Reiley Subject: Re: RV-List: Question for A&P Types (or anyone) True... this happens all the time, no big deal. Darrell --- Sherman Butler wrote: > A ferry permit is not a big deal. An A&P will make a > long entry, CALL your insurance Co to let them know. > I flew from TN to TX on a ferry permit, when a > grumman expert just did not show up for over a month > to do the annual and could not set a date. A local > guy signed it for $20, as he was at the airport > anyway. > > > > Tim Bryan wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I am planning to start my first condition inspection > on my -6 today. It was due by the end of the month > in October, but travel got in my way of completing > it. I would like to get the oil warmed up good > before draining it and also doing the compression > check. It seems I didnt really get it warmed up > good last time I tried to just take it out and run > it up. Am I allowed to do a solo flight to warm the > oil up as a test flight even though it is not > current? > > > > Thanks > > Tim > > > > > > > Sherman Butler > RV-7a Wings > Idaho Falls > __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:56:42 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: For sale: Matco wheels and brakes From: vft@aol.com I've bought a set of Grove wheels and brakes for #25 and would like to get something out of the Matco's I have. These have been on the airplane for a number of years but were never used in anger and are in very good shape.? I'm asking $400 but will take just about any reasonable offer. Maybe one of you guys knows someone building a HR2 on a budget. Included are: 2- Matco 5" wheels 2- Matco single piston calipers 2- Torque plates 2- 5" axels w/nuts 2- Air Hawk tires w/tubes If anyone is interested please respond off list or give me a call at : 407-687-3126 Danny ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:12:13 PM PST US From: Jeff Dowling Subject: Re: RV-List: Question for A&P Types (or anyone) I think he would have to get his a and p. Shemp do not archive Greg Williams wrote: > Along a similar line, what does a non-builder have to do to get a > certificate to do his own condition inspection? > > On Nov 8, 2007 3:07 PM, Bruce Gray > wrote: > > Sure, you just can't fly it until you finish and sign off the > condition inspection. > > > > Bruce > > www.Glasair.org > > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > ] *On Behalf Of > *Tim Bryan > *Sent:* Thursday, November 08, 2007 3:50 PM > *To:* rv-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* RV-List: Question for A&P Types (or anyone) > > > Hi all, > > > > > I am planning to start my first condition inspection on my -6 today. It was due by the end of the month in October, but travel got in my way of completing it. I would like to get the oil warmed up good before draining it and also doing the compression check. It seems I didn't really get it warmed up good last time I tried to just take it out and run it up. Am I allowed to do a solo flight to warm the oil up as a test flight even though it is not current? > > > > > Thanks > > Tim* > * > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref=" > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List > > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com * > > * > > > * > > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:21:29 PM PST US From: Scott Subject: Re: RV-List: Question for A&P Types (or anyone) Build your own airplane and apply for the repairman's certificate. That's about all there is to it. Scott http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/ Gotta Fly or Gonna Die Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version) Greg Williams wrote: > Along a similar line, what does a non-builder have to do to get a > certificate to do his own condition inspection? > > On Nov 8, 2007 3:07 PM, Bruce Gray > wrote: > > Sure, you just can't fly it until you finish and sign off the > condition inspection. > > > > Bruce > > www.Glasair.org > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > ] On Behalf Of Tim > Bryan > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 3:50 PM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: Question for A&P Types (or anyone) > > >Hi all, > > > > >I am planning to start my first condition inspection on my -6 today. It was due by the end of the month in October, but travel got in my way of completing it. I would like to get the oil warmed up good before draining it and also doing the compression check. It seems I didn't really get it warmed up good last time I tried to just take it out and run it up. Am I allowed to do a solo flight to warm the oil up as a test flight even though it is not current? > > > > >Thanks > >Tim > > >href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref=" >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List > > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:51:29 PM PST US From: "Bruce Gray" Subject: RE: RV-List: Question for A&P Types (or anyone) Repairman's certificates are specific and only apply to one "N" numbered airplane. Bruce www.Glasair.org -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 10:27 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Question for A&P Types (or anyone) Build your own airplane and apply for the repairman's certificate. That's about all there is to it. Scott http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/ Gotta Fly or Gonna Die Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version) Greg Williams wrote: > Along a similar line, what does a non-builder have to do to get a > certificate to do his own condition inspection? > > On Nov 8, 2007 3:07 PM, Bruce Gray > wrote: > > Sure, you just can't fly it until you finish and sign off the > condition inspection. > > > > Bruce > > www.Glasair.org > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > ] On Behalf Of Tim > Bryan > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 3:50 PM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: Question for A&P Types (or anyone) > > >Hi all, > > > > >I am planning to start my first condition inspection on my -6 today. >It was due by the end of the month in October, but travel got in my way >of completing it. I would like to get the oil warmed up good before >draining it and also doing the compression check. It seems I didn't >really get it warmed up good last time I tried to just take it out and >run it up. Am I allowed to do a solo flight to warm the oil up as a >test flight even though it is not current? > > > > >Thanks > >Tim > > >href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c >href=" >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/Naviga tor?RV-List > > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:58:43 PM PST US From: "Michael D. Cencula" Subject: Re: RV-List: Aileron trailing edge skislope effectAileron trailing edge skislope effect Here's Bruce's response: --- Mike, Several of us have looked at your aileron trailing edge, and some wish theirs looked that good. Just finish them and move on. The trailing edge is fine. Bruce Reynolds brucer@vansaircraft.com --- I didn't agree, so I ordered new ribs to fix the problem. I'm glad I did. :-) Charles Heathco wrote: > Wow! what did vans say re such a noticable missmatch? Charlie Heathco > * > * ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:15:19 PM PST US From: Darrell Reiley Subject: Re: RV-List: Question for A&P Types (or anyone) If I'm not mistaken, Tim is a builder...? Darrell --- Greg Williams wrote: > Along a similar line, what does a non-builder have > to do to get a > certificate to do his own condition inspection? > > On Nov 8, 2007 3:07 PM, Bruce Gray > wrote: > > > Sure, you just can't fly it until you finish and > sign off the condition > > inspection. > > > > > > > > Bruce > > > > www.Glasair.org > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > *From:* owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto: > > owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of > *Tim Bryan > > *Sent:* Thursday, November 08, 2007 3:50 PM > > *To:* rv-list@matronics.com > > *Subject:* RV-List: Question for A&P Types (or > anyone) > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > I am planning to start my first condition > inspection on my -6 today. It was due by the end of > the month in October, but travel got in my way of > completing it. I would like to get the oil warmed > up good before draining it and also doing the > compression check. It seems I didn't really get it > warmed up good last time I tried to just take it out > and run it up. Am I allowed to do a solo flight to > warm the oil up as a test flight even though it is > not current? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Tim** > > > > * > > > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List > > > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > * > > > > * > > > > > > * > > > > > __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:25:32 PM PST US From: Mike Robertson Subject: RE: RV-List: Question for A&P Types (or anyone) NO! You would be violating your Operating Limitations. Sorry!!! Mike Robertosn Das Fed From: n616tb@btsapps.comTo: rv-list@matronics.comSubject: RV-List: Question for A&P Types (or anyone)Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 14:50:17 -0600 Hi all, I am planning to start my first condition inspection on my -6 today . It was due by the end of the month in October, but travel got in my way of completing it. I would like to get the oil warmed up good before draini ng it and also doing the compression check. It seems I didn=92t really get it warmed up good last time I tried to just take it out and run it up. Am I allowed to do a solo flight to warm the oil up as a test flight even tho ugh it is not current? ThanksTim _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts!- Play Star Shuffle:- the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_oc t ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:54:19 PM PST US From: "Bruce Gray" Subject: RE: RV-List: Question for A&P Types (or anyone) Unless you hold the specific "N" numbered repairmans certificate for that particular airplane, it must be signed off by an A&P. In other words, if you hold a repairmans cert for your RV-6, you can sign off your condition inspection but not sign off your buddies RV-6. Bruce www.Glasair.org -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Darrell Reiley Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 10:57 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Question for A&P Types (or anyone) --> If I'm not mistaken, Tim is a builder...? Darrell ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 11:40:20 PM PST US From: linn Walters Subject: Re: RV-List: Question for A&P Types (or anyone) Greg Williams wrote: > Along a similar line, what does a non-builder have to do to get a > certificate to do his own condition inspection? Go to A&P school. Linn do not archive > > > On Nov 8, 2007 3:07 PM, Bruce Gray > wrote: > > Sure, you just can't fly it until you finish and sign off the > condition inspection. > > > > Bruce > > www.Glasair.org > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > ] On Behalf Of Tim > Bryan > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 3:50 PM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: Question for A&P Types (or anyone) > > >Hi all, > > > > >I am planning to start my first condition inspection on my -6 today. It was due by the end of the month in October, but travel got in my way of completing it. I would like to get the oil warmed up good before draining it and also doing the compression check. It seems I didn't really get it warmed up good last time I tried to just take it out and run it up. Am I allowed to do a solo flight to warm the oil up as a test flight even though it is not current? > > > > >Thanks > >Tim > > >href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref=" >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List > > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.