---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 11/12/07: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:03 AM - Re: Needed: Artificial Horizon (mike humphrey) 2. 04:37 AM - Re:Propeller for sale (Steve & Denise) 3. 05:09 AM - SOLD: Matco parking brake valve (Danny) 4. 05:37 AM - Re: Re:Propeller for sale (rtitsworth) 5. 05:38 AM - Re: Question for A&P Types (or anyone) (Kelly McMullen) 6. 07:00 AM - FW: [NHREIA] Fw: NEW CREDIT SCAM (IMPORTANT) (Brian Meyette) 7. 07:32 AM - Re: getting way to much mail (Dave Cudney) 8. 08:05 AM - Re: Re: getting way to much mail (Bob Collins) 9. 08:21 AM - Re: Needed: Artificial Horizon (Richard Seiders) 10. 08:38 AM - RV Nose Gear Leg "Box" (John Fasching) 11. 09:14 AM - Re: RV Nose Gear Leg "Box" (Ron Lee) 12. 09:22 AM - Re: Re: getting way to much mail (RV Builder (Michael Sausen)) 13. 12:40 PM - Skybolt Anniversary Sale (Bret Smith) 14. 12:52 PM - Re: RV Nose Gear Leg "Box" (Bobby Hester) 15. 04:20 PM - Airpax Circuit Breaker/Switches (H.Ivan Haecker) 16. 05:22 PM - airpax circuit breaker switches (Bob-tcw) 17. 06:28 PM - Re: Price for nose gear leg? (c.ennis) 18. 07:43 PM - Re: Re: getting way to much mail (Dave Cudney) 19. 07:53 PM - Factory recall gear leg (Jeff Dowling) 20. 09:48 PM - Re: Airpax Circuit Breaker/Switches (mikerv6a@ao.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:03:09 AM PST US From: "mike humphrey" Subject: Re: RV-List: Needed: Artificial Horizon I have a like new Sigma Tec A/H still in the box if interested. email me mike109g6@insideconnect.net. Need to sell it since I've gone totally electric. Mike H 9A/8A PS I also have a NIB Rapco Vac Pump kit for Lycoming that has never been out of the box since I bought it from A/C Spruce that I need to sell also. ----- Original Message ----- From: FASTPILOTRV8@aol.com To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 8:11 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Needed: Artificial Horizon I have a artificial Horizon I just removed from my RV8a that works fine . I Just up graded to OP Technologies Glass panel contact me if interested at 847-727-0026 Dane Sheahen N838RV RV8a Aren't 7 degree tilt instruments for taildraggers? Unless you redesigned the 10's panel. Mike H 9A/8A ----- Original Message ----- From: Chuck Weyant To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 3:03 PM Subject: RV-List: Needed: Artificial Horizon Just informed by Rudy's Aircraft Instruments that my Aeriatalia Artifical Horizon (part# 36100 9, Serial#03374) cannot be tilted 7 degrees for my RV10 panel. Anyone out there have a good vac artifical horz for sale or trade preferably with the 7 degree tilt already done? I bought this one from a friend who had it overhauled and Rudy went thru it too. I'll take any reasonable offer...or trade. 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Thought I would share my findings: At 6000 ft, 2400 RPM Hartzell is faster by 1.8 kts. At 6000 ft, 2500 RPM Hartzell is faster by 2.5 kts. Rate of climb from 4000 to 6000 (@110 kts IAS) Hartzell is faster by 157 fpm At 9000 ft, 2400 RPM Hartzell is faster by 1.4 kts. At 9000 ft, 2500 RPM Hartzell is faster by 3.1 kts Rate of climb from 7000 to 9000 (@110 kts) Hartzell is faster by 209 fpm Other observations (lessons learned) people may not consider: 1. Hartzell is 11 lbs heavier (55 vs 44 lbs). Recalculate C of G 2. Because of its greater mass, engine is harder to start with Hartzell 3. Because of its greater mass, engine takes longer to shut down. This really surprised me. My MT would stop very quickly (within 1 engine revolution), the Hartzell averages 3-4 revolutions before stopping. This sometime causes it to turn past the 10-4 o'clock position where the MT would stop every time. 4. The Hartzell takes longer to change pitch. This is evident when adding power fast. During several overshoots I pushed in the power quickly and RPM would exceed 2750 and cause the engine warning to flash. The prop caught up quickly (back to 2700) but this was never an issue with the MT. Same with initial take-off. Add power slowly with Hartzell. 5. MT is smoother. At 2400 RPM Hartzell is good but at 2300 RPM it has noticeably more vibration. I'm going to dynamically balance the Hartzell. 6. MT is a bolt on and forget. Spinner made and no grease nipples to worry about. Hartzell you need to make the spinner, backing plates, etc. Putting on the MT prop takes 1/2 hour. Hartzell takes ~12 hours of labour. So both props in my opinion are good. Very close in performance. People claiming 10 kts increase between the two may need to review the flight test technique, speed calculations, and consider other factors. I'm going to sell my MT prop eventually if any early takers out there. Total flight time on it is 136.5 hours. Steve RV7A Hi Steve- I've got a prop, but what was the outcome of the testing, aside from selling the MT? Enquiring minds want to know! >Removed from RV7A IO-360 for flight testing other props. >Steve glen matejcek aerobubba@earthlink.net ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:09:14 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: SOLD: Matco parking brake valve From: Danny This part has been sold Danny Melnik F1 #25 Rocket Factory Melbourne, FL -----Original Message----- From: Danny Sent: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 11:54 pm Subject: For sale: Matco parking brake valve New in box Matco parking brake valve. ACS price is $108. First $75 takes it. Danny Melnik F1 #25 Rocket Factory Melbourne, FL Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:37:09 AM PST US From: "rtitsworth" Subject: RE: RV-List: RE:Propeller for sale Steve, Thanks for sharing the results of your testing! Curious... 1) For our benefit, were the altitudes below density altitudes (versus indicated)? 2) Also, how did you measure speed to .1 knots? 3) Did you attempt each maneuver (i.e. best rate of climb) multiple times to understand the potential variability in technique etc? 4) Any other insights to can share from your testing approach? Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve & Denise Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 8:39 AM Subject: RV-List: RE:Propeller for sale For those who inquired:. MT PROP IS STILL FOR SALE. REDUCED TO $7500 MUST SELL. I just finished real world testing on MTV-15B and Hartzell Blended airfoil on Oct 31. I have a Mattituck TMX-IO-360 on RV7A. Thought I would share my findings: At 6000 ft, 2400 RPM Hartzell is faster by 1.8 kts. At 6000 ft, 2500 RPM Hartzell is faster by 2.5 kts. Rate of climb from 4000 to 6000 (@110 kts IAS) Hartzell is faster by 157 fpm At 9000 ft, 2400 RPM Hartzell is faster by 1.4 kts. At 9000 ft, 2500 RPM Hartzell is faster by 3.1 kts Rate of climb from 7000 to 9000 (@110 kts) Hartzell is faster by 209 fpm Other observations (lessons learned) people may not consider: 1. Hartzell is 11 lbs heavier (55 vs 44 lbs). Recalculate C of G 2. Because of its greater mass, engine is harder to start with Hartzell 3. Because of its greater mass, engine takes longer to shut down. This really surprised me. My MT would stop very quickly (within 1 engine revolution), the Hartzell averages 3-4 revolutions before stopping. This sometime causes it to turn past the 10-4 o'clock position where the MT would stop every time. 4. The Hartzell takes longer to change pitch. This is evident when adding power fast. During several overshoots I pushed in the power quickly and RPM would exceed 2750 and cause the engine warning to flash. The prop caught up quickly (back to 2700) but this was never an issue with the MT. Same with initial take-off. Add power slowly with Hartzell. 5. MT is smoother. At 2400 RPM Hartzell is good but at 2300 RPM it has noticeably more vibration. I'm going to dynamically balance the Hartzell. 6. MT is a bolt on and forget. Spinner made and no grease nipples to worry about. Hartzell you need to make the spinner, backing plates, etc. Putting on the MT prop takes 1/2 hour. Hartzell takes ~12 hours of labour. So both props in my opinion are good. Very close in performance. People claiming 10 kts increase between the two may need to review the flight test technique, speed calculations, and consider other factors. I'm going to sell my MT prop eventually if any early takers out there. Total flight time on it is 136.5 hours. Steve RV7A Hi Steve- I've got a prop, but what was the outcome of the testing, aside from selling the MT? Enquiring minds want to know! >Removed from RV7A IO-360 for flight testing other props. >Steve glen matejcek aerobubba@earthlink.net ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:38:11 AM PST US From: Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: RV-List: Question for A&P Types (or anyone) Or go to school and get your A&P license. Takes about same or less time than building a plane. Kelly A&P/IA Scott wrote: > > Build your own airplane and apply for the repairman's certificate. > That's about all there is to it. > > Scott > http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/ > Gotta Fly or Gonna Die > Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version) > > > Greg Williams wrote: > >> Along a similar line, what does a non-builder have to do to get a >> certificate to do his own condition inspection? >> >> On Nov 8, 2007 3:07 PM, Bruce Gray > > wrote: >> ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:00:12 AM PST US From: "Brian Meyette" Subject: RV-List: FW: [NHREIA] Fw: NEW CREDIT SCAM (IMPORTANT) FYI on a new scam out there. According to snopes.com, this is a real scam, not one of the popular =93the sky is falling, send this to everyone you know=94 fakes. brian HYPERLINK "http://www.snopes.com/crime/warnings/creditcard.asp" \nhttp://www.snopes.-com/crime/-warnings/-creditcard.-asp HYPERLINK "http://www.snopes.com/crime/warnings/creditcard.asp%3E" \n This one is pretty slick since they provide YOU with all the information, except the one piece they want. Note, the callers do not ask for your card number; they already have it. This information is worth reading. By understanding how the VISA & MasterCard Telephone Credit Card Scam works, you'll be better prepared to protect yourself. One of our employees was called on Wednesday from "VISA", and I was called on Thursday from "Master Card". The scam works like this: Person calling says, "This is (name), and I'm calling from the Security and Fraud Department at VISA. My Badge number is 12460. Your card has been flagged for an unusual purchase pattern, and I'm calling to verify. This would be on your VISA card which was issued by (name of bank). Did you p urchase an Anti-Telemarketing Device for $497.99 from a Marketing company based in Arizona?" When you say "No", the caller continues with, "Then we will be issuing a credit to your account. This is a company we have been watching and the charges range from $297 to $497, just under the $500 purchase pattern that flags most cards. Before your next statement, the credit will be sent to (gives you your address), is that correct?" You say "yes". The caller continues - "I will be starting a Fraud investigation. If you have any questions, you should call the 1- 800 number listed on the back of your card (1-800-VISA) and ask for Security. You will need to refer to this Control Number. The caller then gives you a 6 digit number. "Do you need me to read it again?" Here's the IMPORTANT part on how the scam works. The caller then says, "I need to verify you are in possession of your card" He'll ask you to "turn your card over and look for some numbers". ; There are 7 numbers; the first 4 are part of your card number, the next 3 are the security Numbers' that verify you are the possessor of the card. These are the numbers you sometimes use to make Internet purchases to prove you have the card. The caller will ask you to read the 3 numbers to him. After you tell the caller the 3 numbers, he'll say, "That is correct, I just needed to verify that the card has not been lost or stolen, and that you still have your card. Do you have any other questions?" After you say No, the caller then thanks you and states, "Don't hesitate to call back if you do", and hangs up. You actually say very little, and they never ask for or tell you the Card number. But after we were called on Wednesday, we called back within 20 minutes to ask a question. Are we glad we did! The REAL VISA Security Department told us it was a scam and in the last 15 minutes a new purchase of $497.99 was charged to our card. Long story - short - we made a real fraud report and closed the VISA account. VISA is reissuing us a new number. What the scammers want is the 3-digit PIN number on the back of the card. Don't give it to them. Instead, tell them you'll call VISA or Master card directly for verification of their conversation. The real VISA told us that they will NEVER ask for anything on the card as they already know the information since they issued the card! If you give the scammers your 3 Digit PIN Number, you think you're receiving a credit. However, by the time you get your statement you'll see charges for purchases you didn't make, and by then it's almost too late and/or more difficult to actually file a fraud report. What makes this more remarkable is that on Thursday, I got a call from a "Jason Richardson of Master Card" with a word-for-word repeat of the VISA scam. This time I didn't let him finish. I hung up! We filed a police report, as instructed by VISA. The police said they are taking several of these reports daily! They also urged us to tell everybody we know that this scam is happening. __,_._,___ 11/9/2007 7:29 PM 11/11/2007 9:50 PM ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:32:26 AM PST US From: Dave Cudney Subject: RV-List: Re: getting way to much mail Every day now I get about 12000 emails from RV list. how do I stop receiving the archives? There must be some simple way to stop the madness. thanks dave > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:05:57 AM PST US From: "Bob Collins" Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: getting way to much mail http://www.matronics.com/subscribe/ _____ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Cudney Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 9:30 AM Subject: RV-List: Re: getting way to much mail Every day now I get about 12000 emails from RV list. how do I stop receiving the archives? There must be some simple way to stop the madness. thanks dave href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contri bution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/N avigator?RV-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:21:34 AM PST US From: Richard Seiders Subject: Re: RV-List: Needed: Artificial Horizon --- MIME Errors - No Plain-Text Section Found --- A message with no text/plain MIME section was received. The entire body of the message was removed. Please resend the email using Plain Text formatting. HOTMAIL is notorious for only including an HTML section in their client's default configuration. If you're using HOTMAIL, please see your email application's settings and switch to a default mail option that uses "Plain Text". --- MIME Errors No Plain-Text Section Found --- ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:38:18 AM PST US From: "John Fasching" Subject: RV-List: RV Nose Gear Leg "Box" Where is the web site that has the description of the 'box' they desire you to use to send your gear leg to Lange for shortening? thanks ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:14:59 AM PST US From: "Ron Lee" Subject: Re: RV-List: RV Nose Gear Leg "Box" http://www.langair.com/matchdrilling.html I used plywood for a sturdier box. Ron Lee ----- Original Message ----- From: John Fasching To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 9:37 AM Subject: RV-List: RV Nose Gear Leg "Box" Where is the web site that has the description of the 'box' they desire you to use to send your gear leg to Lange for shortening? thanks ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:22:32 AM PST US From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: getting way to much mail If you are getting 12,000 emails daily, less than 50 are from the RV list o r else your ISP has something horribly misconfigured. I would suggest eith er investing in a good SPAM filter for your desktop mail client or a real q uick fix is to change your email address to something else and resubscribin g. If you want a idea of the number of emails you should be getting on any giv en day you can go here: http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv-list/ This shows that 71 messages were posted to the Matronics RV List in the las t 7 days. Hope this helps. Michael Sausen From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matro nics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Cudney Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 9:30 AM Subject: RV-List: Re: getting way to much mail Every day now I get about 12000 emails from RV list. how do I stop receivin g the archives? There must be some simple way to stop the madness. thanks dave href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/con tribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.co m/Navigator?RV-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:40:38 PM PST US From: "Bret Smith" Subject: RV-List: Skybolt Anniversary Sale I just called Skybolt to order my cowl fasteners. I had attended their Forum this past year at SnF and they agreed to offer a 20% discount whenever I was ready to order. When I called, they told me they have just reduced their prices on ALL fasteners in honor of their 25th Anniversary by 25%. Just passing along the good news... http://www.skybolt.com/ Bret Smith RV-9A "Fuselage" Blue Ridge, GA www.FlightInnovations.com ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:52:34 PM PST US From: Bobby Hester Subject: Re: RV-List: RV Nose Gear Leg "Box" http://www.langair.com/matchdrilling.html If you are using SeaMonkey as your browser the drawing does not show up, use Internet Explorer and it will show up. ---- Surfing the web from Hopkinsville, KY Visit my RV7A web site: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/ John Fasching wrote: > Where is the web site that has the description of the 'box' they > desire you to use to send your gear leg to Lange for shortening? > > thanks > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:20:52 PM PST US From: "H.Ivan Haecker" Subject: RV-List: Airpax Circuit Breaker/Switches I purchased a number of Airpax circuit breaker/switches from a vendor at Oshkosh and have used them successfully in my rv-4 for 15 years. Recently one has failed (my strobe light can only be turned off with the master switch now). Does anyone know of a source for these items? Thanks, Ivan Haecker -4 1430hrs. S. Cen. TX ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:22:22 PM PST US From: "Bob-tcw" Subject: RV-List: airpax circuit breaker switches There are circuit breaker switches available from Digikey. www.digikey.com I used one of these to add a pitot heat circuit to my Glastar. they are a W31 series circuit breaker switch. PB417-nd is a 10 amp breaker. They are availbe from 1 amp to 50 amps Bob Newman ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:28:24 PM PST US From: "c.ennis" Subject: Re: RV-List: Price for nose gear leg? Ralph, Thanks for the link to Langair..I have the -2 (shipped in march of 1999) , What I was trying to do was compare the price of a new leg against the rework...Wednesday, I'll get the leg off and give it a good once over. With any luck I'll be back in the air by Christmas. Charlie Ennis do not archive ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:43:01 PM PST US From: Dave Cudney Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: getting way to much mail yesterday I got 19568 --- all from RV list dating from May 31, 2006. dave On Nov 12, 2007, at 9:21 AM, RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote: > If you are getting 12,000 emails daily, less than 50 are from the > RV list or else your ISP has something horribly misconfigured. I > would suggest either investing in a good SPAM filter for your > desktop mail client or a real quick fix is to change your email > address to something else and resubscribing. > > > If you want a idea of the number of emails you should be getting on > any given day you can go here: > > > http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv-list/ > > > This shows that 71 messages were posted to the Matronics RV List in > the last 7 days. Hope this helps. > > > Michael Sausen > > > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list- > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Cudney > Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 9:30 AM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: Re: getting way to much mail > > > Every day now I get about 12000 emails from RV list. how do I stop > receiving the archives? There must be some simple way to stop the > madness. > > > thanks > > dave > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http:// > www.matronics.com/contribution > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http:// > www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List > http://forums.matronics.com > > ============================================================ _- > www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List_- > ============================================================ _- > forums.matronics.com_- > =========================================================== > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:53:15 PM PST US From: Jeff Dowling Subject: RV-List: Factory recall gear leg Why is it our responsibility to pay for a design flaw? Could you imagine what would happen to Ford? Shemp do not archive John Fasching wrote: > Where is the web site that has the description of the 'box' they > desire you to use to send your gear leg to Lange for shortening? > > thanks > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 09:48:20 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Airpax Circuit Breaker/Switches From: mikerv6a@ao.com Airpax was acquired by Sensata this year. Product and source information is available at: http://www.airpax.net/ Mike > I purchased a number of Airpax circuit breaker/switches from a vendor at > Oshkosh and have used them successfully in my rv-4 for 15 years. Recently > one has failed (my strobe light can only be turned off with the master > switch now). Does anyone know of a source for these items? > > Thanks, > > Ivan Haecker -4 1430hrs. S. Cen. 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