---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 11/13/07: 40 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 12:23 AM - List of Contributors (Matt Dralle) 1. 03:12 AM - Re: Factory recall gear leg (Kevin Horton) 2. 04:21 AM - Needed: Answer; Is Non-TSO Altimeter - Good for IFR? (darnpilot@AOL.COM) 3. 04:34 AM - Re: Needed: Answer; Is Non-TSO Altimeter - Good for IFR? (Scott) 4. 04:55 AM - Re: Needed: Answer; Is Non-TSO Altimeter - Good for IFR? (dougpflyrv@aol.com) 5. 05:07 AM - Re:Propeller for sale (Steve & Denise) 6. 05:50 AM - Re: Needed: Answer; Is Non-TSO Altimeter - Good for IFR? (darnpilot@aol.com) 7. 05:50 AM - Re: Needed: Answer; Is Non-TSO Altimeter - Good for IFR? (darnpilot@aol.com) 8. 06:10 AM - Re: Needed: Answer; Is Non-TSO Altimeter - Good for IFR? (Richard Dudley) 9. 06:57 AM - Trade RV7 vertical induction cowling for horizontal cowling (Marty Helller) 10. 07:07 AM - Re: Needed: Answer; Is Non-TSO Altimeter - Good for IFR? (David Leonard) 11. 07:49 AM - Re: Needed: Answer; Is Non-TSO Altimeter - Good for IFR? (Mike Robertson) 12. 08:35 AM - Re: Needed: Answer; Is Non-TSO Altimeter - Good for IFR? (mike humphrey) 13. 08:47 AM - Re: Factory recall gear leg (Terry Watson) 14. 09:40 AM - Re: Trade RV7 vertical induction cowling for horizontal cowling (Greg Williams) 15. 09:42 AM - Re: Needed: Answer; Is Non-TSO Altimeter - Good for IFR? (Greg Williams) 16. 10:04 AM - Re: Trade RV7 vertical induction cowling for horizontal cowling (Marty Helller) 17. 02:49 PM - Factory recall gear leg (Ralph Hoover) 18. 03:14 PM - Re: Needed: Answer; Is Non-TSO Altimeter - Good for IFR? (Paul Besing) 19. 03:15 PM - Re: Needed: Answer; Is Non-TSO Altimeter - Good for IFR? (Paul Besing) 20. 03:48 PM - Re: Needed: Answer; Is Non-TSO Altimeter - Good for IFR? (Greg Williams) 21. 03:48 PM - Re: Factory recall gear leg (Ron Lee) 22. 03:58 PM - Re: Needed: Answer; Is Non-TSO Altimeter - Good for IFR? (Darrell Reiley) 23. 04:25 PM - Re: Needed: Answer; Is Non-TSO Altimeter - Good for IFR? (Paul Besing) 24. 04:43 PM - Re: Needed: Answer; Is Non-TSO Altimeter - Good for IFR? (darnpilot@aol.com) 25. 05:22 PM - Re: Needed: Answer; Is Non-TSO Altimeter - Good for IFR? (passpat@aol.com) 26. 05:54 PM - Airplane jacking, nose gear removal (DEAN PSIROPOULOS) 27. 06:05 PM - Re: Airplane jacking, nose gear removal (Scott) 28. 06:13 PM - RV nosegear jacking (rveighta) 29. 06:16 PM - Nose Gear Leg (Emrath) 30. 06:56 PM - Re: Nose Gear Leg (Bobby Hester) 31. 07:24 PM - Airplane jacking, nose gear removal (Ralph Hoover) 32. 07:35 PM - Re: Nose Gear Leg (Darrell Reiley) 33. 07:42 PM - Re: Nose Gear Leg (Bill Schlatterer) 34. 08:01 PM - Re: Nose Gear Leg (Ron Lee) 35. 08:17 PM - Re: Nose Gear Leg (Darrell Reiley) 36. 08:17 PM - Re: Factory recall gear leg (bobperk90658@bellsouth.net) 37. 09:11 PM - Re: Needed: Answer; Is Non-TSO Altimeter - Good for IFR? (Kelly McMullen) 38. 09:12 PM - Re: RV nosegear jacking (bobperk90658@bellsouth.net) 39. 10:09 PM - Re: Needed: Answer; Is Non-TSO Altimeter - Good for IFR? (Paul Besing) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 12:23:36 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: RV-List: List of Contributors Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message acknowledging everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its sort of my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation for the Lists. Won't you take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of Contributors (LOC)? As a number of members have pointed out over the years, the List seems at least - if not a whole lot more - valuable as a building/flying/recreating/entertainment tool as your typical magazine subscription! Please take minute and assure that your name is on this year's LOC! Show others that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is fast and easy using your Credit card or Paypal on the Secure Web Site: http://www.matronics.com/contribution or by popping a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics PO Box 347 Livermore CA 94551-0347 I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus far in this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps these Lists going and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment about how the Lists have helped you! Best regards, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:12:03 AM PST US From: Kevin Horton Subject: Re: RV-List: Factory recall gear leg On 12-Nov-07, at 10:52 PM, Jeff Dowling wrote: > > > > Why is it our responsibility to pay for a design flaw? Could you > imagine what would happen to Ford? Would you rather that Van increased kit costs to cover potential future costs of recommended design changes? Fords come with warrantees, and the design must meet standards set by the feds. The feds require that the costs of mandatory recalls be borne by the automobile manufacturer. If you want an aircraft with a warranty, and that meets some specified design standards, you need to purchase a type certificated aircraft. Check out the cost of a new Cessna, then decide whether the cost of an RV, plus a replacement nose gear leg is a good value or not. -- Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit) Ottawa, Canada http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:21:36 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: Needed: Answer; Is Non-TSO Altimeter - Good for IFR? From: darnpilot@AOL.COM Help. My Glasair III needs its two year IFR certification, i.e., pitot/static, altimeter, & transponder check.? The altimeter (I just found out) is non-TSO'd.? Does anyone have the Regs and/or clarification that says this is legal for IFR in an experimental aircraft?? My local avionics shop says no, and will not do the test and certification. Thank you in advance. Jeff ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:34:24 AM PST US From: Scott Subject: Re: RV-List: Needed: Answer; Is Non-TSO Altimeter - Good for IFR? My gut says non TSO is a no go for IFR, but I will try going through the regs tonight when I have more time. My thought is you'd probably want the best and most trusted equipment for flying IFR since you only get one chance to get it right ;) Scott http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/ Gotta Fly or Gonna Die Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version) darnpilot@aol.com wrote: > Help. > > My Glasair III needs its two year IFR certification, i.e., > pitot/static, altimeter, & transponder check. The altimeter (I just > found out) is non-TSO'd. Does anyone have the Regs and/or > clarification that says this is legal for IFR in an experimental > aircraft? My local avionics shop says no, and will not do the test > and certification. > > Thank you in advance. > > Jeff > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ! > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:55:46 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Needed: Answer; Is Non-TSO Altimeter - Good for IFR? From: dougpflyrv@aol.com I ENCOUNTERED THE SAME PROBLEM WITH 3 DIFFERENT RV'S AND 2 AVIONICS SHOPS. I PUT IN A TSO'D ALTIMETER AND ENCODER SO THERE IS NO QUESTION. GOOD LUCK. DOUG PRESTON RV-10 N372RV? 78 HRS. -----Original Message----- From: darnpilot@aol.com Sent: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 6:18 am Subject: RV-List: Needed: Answer; Is Non-TSO Altimeter - Good for IFR? Help. My Glasair III needs its two year IFR certification, i.e., pitot/static, altimeter, & transponder check.? The altimeter (I just found out) is non-TSO'd.? Does anyone have the Regs and/or clarification that says this is legal for IFR in an experimental aircraft?? My local avionics shop says no, and will not do the test and certification. Thank you in advance. Jeff ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:07:50 AM PST US From: "Steve & Denise" Subject: RV-List: Re:Propeller for sale Yes density altitudes. The tests were done 3 days apart and OAT and altimeter setting were almost equal at altitude. Yes I measured it to 0.1 kts using 3 way GPS heading. For each RPM (2400 & 2500) and each altitude (6000 & 9000) the test was performed 4 times (and results averaged). 0.1 kts is difficult to measure but I actually recorded the GPS speed every second for 3 mins (using a laptop & GNS430 & GNC300XL). The values were then entered into Excel spreadsheet and observed if the speed settled out. I decided before the test if the variation was greater than 0.5 kts, I would discard the data. This only occurred once during the test. Typically the variation near the end of the run was 0.3 kts so I consider the error in the measurements to be +- 0.15 kts. To get the actual TAS a excel spreadsheet was again used. The speeds are not averaged but instead vectors determined, wind, actual mag heading, etc. This is a normal flight test technique that is well known. Again the best rate of climb was performed 4 times each and timed. Feet per minute calculated. Other insights? Not much beyond what I wrote earlier. I did perform the test on 3 headings 000, 120, and 240 degrees but you can actually use any reasonable headings. Not 090, 091, and 092 obviously but they don't need to be 120 degrees apart. You just need 3 vector data. I flew the legs both with autopilot (2 axis) on and off. The error with each was about the same. Of course recording the data with autopilot on is easier. Also try and record as much data was you can by voice or recording equipment. I did write some stuff down but for example during the start of the climb I wanted to record OAT, MP, start the clock, and ensure maintaining exactly 110 kts IAS. Hard to write these things down sometimes. Another thing to keep in mind is it can be beneficial to record magnetic heading as well. A vector calculation later can provide your actual magnetic heading and therefore the error in your compass. And easy compass swing although you'll only have data for the 3 headings you flew on. And of course make (especially for the climb tests) sure your airspeed ind is accurate. Steve RV7A > Steve, > Thanks for sharing the results of your testing! Curious... > 1) For our benefit, were the altitudes below density altitudes (versus > indicated)? > 2) Also, how did you measure speed to .1 knots? > 3) Did you attempt each maneuver (i.e. best rate of climb) multiple times to > understand the potential variability in technique etc? > 4) Any other insights to can share from your testing approach? > Rick > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:50:24 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Needed: Answer; Is Non-TSO Altimeter - Good for IFR? From: darnpilot@aol.com One other thing...the EAA on their website says it is OK.? Seems a bit of a gray area, but the EAA seems confident in their interpretation.? Is there any FAA type letters confirming the EAA's position?? I called several major avionics shops, and mostly got it was OK, but a couple "no it is not".? I'm confused, but would prefer to not spend $800+ on a TSO'd altimeter, when I have what seems like a perfectly good altimeter.? If it passes the test, then how is it inferior?? Would the (God forbid) insurance company take a more strident view? TIA Jeff -----Original Message----- From: darnpilot@aol.com Sent: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 7:18 am Subject: RV-List: Needed: Answer; Is Non-TSO Altimeter - Good for IFR? Help. My Glasair III needs its two year IFR certification, i.e., pitot/static, altimeter, & transponder check.? The altimeter (I just found out) is non-TSO'd.? Does anyone have the Regs and/or clarification that says this is legal for IFR in an experimental aircraft?? My local avionics shop says no, and will not do the test and certification. Thank you in advance. Jeff ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:50:24 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Needed: Answer; Is Non-TSO Altimeter - Good for IFR? From: darnpilot@aol.com One other thing...the EAA on their website says it is OK.? Seems a bit of a gray area, but the EAA seems confident in their interpretation.? Is there any FAA type letters confirming the EAA's position?? I called several major avionics shops, and mostly got it was OK, but a couple "no it is not".? I'm confused, but would prefer to not spend $800+ on a TSO'd altimeter, when I have what seems like a perfectly good altimeter.? If it passes the test, then how is it inferior?? Would the (God forbid) insurance company take a more strident view? TIA Jeff -----Original Message----- From: darnpilot@aol.com Sent: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 7:18 am Subject: RV-List: Needed: Answer; Is Non-TSO Altimeter - Good for IFR? Help. My Glasair III needs its two year IFR certification, i.e., pitot/static, altimeter, & transponder check.? The altimeter (I just found out) is non-TSO'd.? Does anyone have the Regs and/or clarification that says this is legal for IFR in an experimental aircraft?? My local avionics shop says no, and will not do the test and certification. Thank you in advance. Jeff ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:10:54 AM PST US From: Richard Dudley Subject: Re: RV-List: Needed: Answer; Is Non-TSO Altimeter - Good for IFR? Jeff, I just sent a post on the RV-list about my experience with a non-TSOd altimeter (Falcon). Mine passed the altimeter/transponder/static system two times in the last 3 years at an FAA repair station. The technician said that he couldn't issue a yellow tag because of the non TSO nature ot my altimeter but attached a label that it was certified to 20,000 feet. In case you didn't read my previous post, I will add it below. It now reads 10,000 feet. ============================ FWIW - I have a Falcon altimeter that I installed in my RV-6A about four years ago. The plane has been flying since February 2005 and has about 130 hours. The altimeter has been certified twice to 20,000 feet per FAR 43 App. E at an FAA repair station with no problems, the latest check in February this year. I even posted and e-mail on the RV-list indicating my delight in this reasonably priced, Chinese made instrument being so precise and reliable. A week ago in checking the cockpit in preparation for a flight, about two weeks since my last flight, I found the altimeter reading about 4000 feet. In in the process of trouble shooting, I disconnected the static line from the altimeter and found that it was still reading 4000 feet. The problem was obviously internal in the altimeter. I removed it from the instrument panel and took it home. After a week on my desk, the indicated altitude has increased to about 9000 feet and is still slowly climbing. Consulting with the Wultrad folks I found that the instrument could be overhauled for $150. Since the current price is about $250 this was not attractive. And, since my confidence in the reliability of the instrument had been destroyed, I "bit the bullet" and purchased a United, TSOd altimeter at about three times the price of the Falcon. If you, have one of these you may want to keep a close eye on the field altitude at the correct altimeter setting. I noticed a small increase in the indicated field altitude a few weeks before the very large increase I mentioned =============================== Best regards and good luck, Richard Dudley RV-6A flying darnpilot@aol.com wrote: > One other thing...the EAA on their website says it is OK. Seems a bit > of a gray area, but the EAA seems confident in their interpretation. > Is there any FAA type letters confirming the EAA's position? > > I called several major avionics shops, and mostly got it was OK, but a > couple "no it is not". I'm confused, but would prefer to not spend > $800+ on a TSO'd altimeter, when I have what seems like a perfectly > good altimeter. If it passes the test, then how is it inferior? > Would the (God forbid) insurance company take a more strident view? > > TIA > > Jeff > > > -----Original Message----- > From: darnpilot@aol.com > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Sent: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 7:18 am > Subject: RV-List: Needed: Answer; Is Non-TSO Altimeter - Good for IFR? > > Help. > > My Glasair III needs its two year IFR certification, i.e., > pitot/static, altimeter, & transponder check. The altimeter (I just > found out) is non-TSO'd. Does anyone have the Regs and/or > clarification that says this is legal for IFR in an experimental > aircraft? My local avionics shop says no, and will not do the test > and certification. > > Thank you in advance. > > Jeff > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ! > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:57:36 AM PST US From: Marty Helller Subject: RV-List: Trade RV7 vertical induction cowling for horizontal cowling Anyone out there having a horizonal induction cowling for an RV-7 for sale or trade? I have the original vertical scooped cowling but decided to buy a horizontal feed engine. Contact off line Marty Heller RV-7 (Fitting the roll bar) _________________________________________________________________ Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks & Treats for You! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:07:29 AM PST US From: "David Leonard" Subject: Re: RV-List: Needed: Answer; Is Non-TSO Altimeter - Good for IFR? Without question, non-TSO is OK for experimental aircraft. I would consider making the shop show you where it says that a TSO is required to pass the static-system test. I have 2 non-TSO altimiters (Rockymountain and Bluemountain) and they both pass every time. Both are easy to calibrate down to less than 10' error at any altitude. - i.e. they both outperform any TSO steam guage. But that is beside the point. If you google you can find a copy of the instructions for performing the static system test. Dave Leonard On Nov 13, 2007 7:18 AM, wrote: > Help. > > My Glasair III needs its two year IFR certification, i.e., pitot/static, > altimeter, & transponder check. The altimeter (I just found out) is > non-TSO'd. Does anyone have the Regs and/or clarification that says this is > legal for IFR in an experimental aircraft? My local avionics shop says no, > and will not do the test and certification. > > Thank you in advance. > > Jeff > ------------------------------ > ! > > * > > * > > -- David Leonard Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net http://RotaryRoster.net ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:49:40 AM PST US From: Mike Robertson Subject: RE: RV-List: Needed: Answer; Is Non-TSO Altimeter - Good for IFR? Jeff, There is no requirement for any instrument to be TSO'd. By regulation the ELT and the transponder must meet a TSO standard. That's all! If the inst rument can be tested to show its accuracy then it is acceptable for use in your Glasair III under IFR. Mike Robertson Das Fed eter - Good for IFR?Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 07:18:19 -0500From: darnpilot@ao l.com Help.My Glasair III needs its two year IFR certification, i.e., pitot/stati c, altimeter, & transponder check. The altimeter (I just found out) is non -TSO'd. Does anyone have the Regs and/or clarification that says this is l egal for IFR in an experimental aircraft? My local avionics shop says no, and will not do the test and certification.Thank you in advance.Jeff _________________________________________________________________ ! ilnews ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:35:52 AM PST US From: "mike humphrey" Subject: Re: RV-List: Needed: Answer; Is Non-TSO Altimeter - Good for IFR? Jeff, I believe that the regs actually state that only an A&P with correct equipment can do your 2 yr/signed off by IA. In other words, an Avionics shop is NOT your only source to get the work done legally. Sounds like someone is trying to sell you an instrument. Ditto, it doesn't have to be TSO instruments, they just have to pass. If that were the case I think that Garmin, Chelton, Avidyne, and OP are the only companies that offer TSO'd electric panels(MFD"S), and they cost mucho $. And there are a bunch of MFD's that are IFR compliant, and used. As Dave pointed out, more accurate than steam gauges. Try contacting your local EAA counselor or the EAA wedsite for more info. Also you FAR/AIM '08 edition will spell it all out for you. Mike H ----- Original Message ----- From: David Leonard To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:04 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Needed: Answer; Is Non-TSO Altimeter - Good for IFR? Without question, non-TSO is OK for experimental aircraft. I would consider making the shop show you where it says that a TSO is required to pass the static-system test. I have 2 non-TSO altimiters (Rockymountain and Bluemountain) and they both pass every time. Both are easy to calibrate down to less than 10' error at any altitude. - i.e. they both outperform any TSO steam guage. But that is beside the point. If you google you can find a copy of the instructions for performing the static system test. Dave Leonard On Nov 13, 2007 7:18 AM, wrote: Help. My Glasair III needs its two year IFR certification, i.e., pitot/static, altimeter, & transponder check. The altimeter (I just found out) is non-TSO'd. Does anyone have the Regs and/or clarification that says this is legal for IFR in an experimental aircraft? My local avionics shop says no, and will not do the test and certification. Thank you in advance. Jeff ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- -- David Leonard Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net http://RotaryRoster.net ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:47:20 AM PST US From: "Terry Watson" Subject: RE: RV-List: Factory recall gear leg I think it is the idea of a "design flaw" in an experimental aircraft kit that bugs me. If we take this concept to its logical conclusion, any refinement or improvement in the design means that the previous version was flawed. Attach liability or responsibility to correct all previous versions and that would put a stop to any improvements and make the concept of experimental meaningless. Terry -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Horton Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 3:11 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Factory recall gear leg On 12-Nov-07, at 10:52 PM, Jeff Dowling wrote: > > > > Why is it our responsibility to pay for a design flaw? Could you > imagine what would happen to Ford? Would you rather that Van increased kit costs to cover potential future costs of recommended design changes? Fords come with warrantees, and the design must meet standards set by the feds. The feds require that the costs of mandatory recalls be borne by the automobile manufacturer. If you want an aircraft with a warranty, and that meets some specified design standards, you need to purchase a type certificated aircraft. Check out the cost of a new Cessna, then decide whether the cost of an RV, plus a replacement nose gear leg is a good value or not. -- Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit) Ottawa, Canada http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:40:33 AM PST US From: "Greg Williams" Subject: Re: RV-List: Trade RV7 vertical induction cowling for horizontal cowling Was wondering if there are any flight benefits to the horizontal induction cowling vs having the snout underneath? Drag, speed, power etc? Or is it just a personal preference "looks" sort of thing? On 11/13/07, Marty Helller wrote: > > Anyone out there having a horizonal induction cowling for an RV-7 for > sale or trade? I have the original vertical scooped cowling but decided to > buy a horizontal feed engine. > > Contact off line > Marty Heller > RV-7 (Fitting the roll bar) > > > ------------------------------ > Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks & Treats for You! Get 'em! > > * > > > * > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:42:27 AM PST US From: "Greg Williams" Subject: Re: RV-List: Needed: Answer; Is Non-TSO Altimeter - Good for IFR? So does that mean that the glass cockpit stuff (Dynon, Blue Mountain etc) won't be usable for IFR in an RV? On 11/13/07, darnpilot@aol.com wrote: > > Help. > > My Glasair III needs its two year IFR certification, i.e., pitot/static, > altimeter, & transponder check. The altimeter (I just found out) is > non-TSO'd. Does anyone have the Regs and/or clarification that says this is > legal for IFR in an experimental aircraft? My local avionics shop says no, > and will not do the test and certification. > > Thank you in advance. > > Jeff > ------------------------------ > ! > > * > > > * > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:04:11 AM PST US From: Marty Helller Subject: RE: RV-List: Trade RV7 vertical induction cowling for horizontal cowling The horizontal induction is supposed to add about 7HP to engine performance .... at least that's what I was told when paying for the extra sump. Marty Heller RV-7 (fitting roll bar) list@matronics.comSubject: Re: RV-List: Trade RV7 vertical induction cowlin g for horizontal cowlingWas wondering if there are any flight benefits to t he horizontal induction cowling vs having the snout underneath? Drag, spee d, power etc? Or is it just a personal preference "looks" sort of thing? On 11/13/07, Marty Helller wrote: Anyone out there having a horizonal induction cowling for an RV-7 for sale or trade? I have the original vertical scooped cowling but decided to buy a horizontal feed engine. Contact off lineMarty HellerRV-7 (Fitting the rol l bar) Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks & Treats for You! Get 'em! _________________________________________________________________ Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Caf=E9. Stop by today. http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Oc tWLtagline ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:49:27 PM PST US From: Ralph Hoover Subject: RV-List: Factory recall gear leg "Why is it our responsibility to pay for a design flaw? Could you imagine what would happen to Ford? " Safety! Value! Van's prices are very reasonable, his designs are first rate and the overall value is unquestionable. The cost of a new fork and re-machining the gear leg is trivial compared to many other things. Look it as Gear leg 2007 and you don't even need to buy a new airplane to install it. My recalled Volvo tailgate latch was free but they charged me $200+ to reattach the interior that had broken loose due to slamming the gate. I say cheap insurance. Van could build this cost into everything he sells plus a war chest for the likes of Alan Wolk. You do have the option of not upgrading the gear. It's all a matter of perspective. We should just willingly pay a fair price for value. If all folks were fair we would not be paying the usurious rates we now pay for so many things because of lawsuits and the idea that if something bad happens someone else must pay. Ralph C. Hoover RV7A hooverra at verizon dot net ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:14:12 PM PST US From: Paul Besing Subject: Re: RV-List: Needed: Answer; Is Non-TSO Altimeter - Good for IFR? Time to find a new avionics shop. Paul Besing ----- Original Message ---- From: "darnpilot@aol.com" Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 5:18:19 AM Subject: RV-List: Needed: Answer; Is Non-TSO Altimeter - Good for IFR? Help. My Glasair III needs its two year IFR certification, i.e., pitot/static, altimeter, & transponder check. The altimeter (I just found out) is non-TSO'd. Does anyone have the Regs and/or clarification that says this is legal for IFR in an experimental aircraft? My local avionics shop says no, and will not do the test and certification. Thank you in advance. Jeff Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:15:52 PM PST US From: Paul Besing Subject: Re: RV-List: Needed: Answer; Is Non-TSO Altimeter - Good for IFR? Good luck with that. As soon as they find out it's "Experimental" some places are sent slamming their doors, throwing away the key, and changing their phone number because they are so afraid of those crazy people who build airplanes in the garages. I was lucky, I'm at an airport that has alot of experimentals, and they are easy to work with. As a matter of fact, my "Non-TSO'd" Rocky Mountain uEncoder was more accurate than most he tests...he was very impressed :-) Oh yeah, and I built that in my garage too, which also gives my altitude to ATC in an IFR environment! Scary! Paul Besing ----- Original Message ---- From: David Leonard Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:04:54 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Needed: Answer; Is Non-TSO Altimeter - Good for IFR? Without question, non-TSO is OK for experimental aircraft. I would consider making the shop show you where it says that a TSO is required to pass the static-system test. I have 2 non-TSO altimiters (Rockymountain and Bluemountain) and they both pass every time. Both are easy to calibrate down to less than 10' error at any altitude. - i.e. they both outperform any TSO steam guage. But that is beside the point. If you google you can find a copy of the instructions for performing the static system test. Dave Leonard On Nov 13, 2007 7:18 AM, wrote: Help. My Glasair III needs its two year IFR certification, i.e., pitot/static, altimeter, & transponder check. The altimeter (I just found out) is non-TSO'd. Does anyone have the Regs and/or clarification that says this is legal for IFR in an experimental aircraft? My local avionics shop says no, and will not do the test and certification. Thank you in advance. Jeff -- David Leonard Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net http://RotaryRoster.net Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:48:04 PM PST US From: "Greg Williams" Subject: Re: RV-List: Needed: Answer; Is Non-TSO Altimeter - Good for IFR? So, if I want my -7 blessed for IFR, I take it to an avionics shop friendly to Experimentals and ask them to certify the airplane or each instrument? On Nov 13, 2007 3:13 PM, Paul Besing wrote: > Good luck with that. As soon as they find out it's "Experimental" some > places are sent slamming their doors, throwing away the key, and changing > their phone number because they are so afraid of those crazy people who > build airplanes in the garages. I was lucky, I'm at an airport that has > alot of experimentals, and they are easy to work with. As a matter of fact, > my "Non-TSO'd" Rocky Mountain uEncoder was more accurate than most he > tests...he was very impressed :-) Oh yeah, and I built that in my garage > too, which also gives my altitude to ATC in an IFR environment! Scary! > > Paul Besing > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: David Leonard > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:04:54 AM > Subject: Re: RV-List: Needed: Answer; Is Non-TSO Altimeter - Good for IFR? > > Without question, non-TSO is OK for experimental aircraft. I would > consider making the shop show you where it says that a TSO is required to > pass the static-system test. > > I have 2 non-TSO altimiters (Rockymountain and Bluemountain) and they both > pass every time. Both are easy to calibrate down to less than 10' error at > any altitude. - i.e. they both outperform any TSO steam guage. But that > is beside the point. > > If you google you can find a copy of the instructions for performing the > static system test. > > Dave Leonard > > On Nov 13, 2007 7:18 AM, wrote: > > > Help. > > > > My Glasair III needs its two year IFR certification, i.e., pitot/static, > > altimeter, & transponder check. The altimeter (I just found out) is > > non-TSO'd. Does anyone have the Regs and/or clarification that says this is > > legal for IFR in an experimental aircraft? My local avionics shop says no, > > and will not do the test and certification. > > > > Thank you in advance. > > > > Jeff > > ------------------------------ > > ! > > > > * > > > > > > * > > > > > > > -- > David Leonard > > Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY > http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net > http://RotaryRoster.net > ------------------------------ > Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 03:48:04 PM PST US From: "Ron Lee" Subject: Re: RV-List: Factory recall gear leg I upgraded the fork when my engine was being rebuilt this summer and I have ZERO, ZIP, NADA interest in suggesting than Van's pay for it. I did not have to make the change and I do not with the service bulletin out. Avoid non-smooth landing/taxiing surfaces and you may well never have a problem. Ron Lee ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:58:18 PM PST US From: Darrell Reiley Subject: Re: RV-List: Needed: Answer; Is Non-TSO Altimeter - Good for IFR? I agree... time to find another shop! Darrell --- Paul Besing wrote: > Time to find a new avionics shop. > > Paul Besing > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "darnpilot@aol.com" > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 5:18:19 AM > Subject: RV-List: Needed: Answer; Is Non-TSO > Altimeter - Good for IFR? > > > > Help. > > > > My Glasair III needs its two year IFR certification, > i.e., pitot/static, altimeter, & transponder check. > The altimeter (I just found out) is non-TSO'd. Does > anyone have the Regs and/or clarification that says > this is legal for IFR in an experimental aircraft? > My local avionics shop says no, and will not do the > test and certification. > > > > Thank you in advance. > > > > Jeff > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 04:25:55 PM PST US From: Paul Besing Subject: Re: RV-List: Needed: Answer; Is Non-TSO Altimeter - Good for IFR? The only things that have to be certified for IFR are the transponder, encoder, and altimeter. All can be done in about an hour of work. You don't really certify the "airplane", just that the pitot/static and transponder have been tested and are within the standards of the regulations. This needs to be done every 24 months to be IFR "certified". I wouldn't even tell them that the instruments aren't TSO'd. Just go to an avionics shop and tell them you need a transponder and pitot static check. If they won't do it because you have a big "experimental" sticker on your plane, then you probably won't want to do business with them anyway. Ask any of the flying IFR birds, lancairs, glasairs, RV's, etc around your field and they'll tell you where to go. Paul Besing ----- Original Message ---- From: Greg Williams Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 4:40:15 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Needed: Answer; Is Non-TSO Altimeter - Good for IFR? So, if I want my -7 blessed for IFR, I take it to an avionics shop friendly to Experimentals and ask them to certify the airplane or each instrument? On Nov 13, 2007 3:13 PM, Paul Besing < pbesing@yahoo.com> wrote: Good luck with that. As soon as they find out it's "Experimental" some places are sent slamming their doors, throwing away the key, and changing their phone number because they are so afraid of those crazy people who build airplanes in the garages. I was lucky, I'm at an airport that has alot of experimentals, and they are easy to work with. As a matter of fact, my "Non-TSO'd" Rocky Mountain uEncoder was more accurate than most he tests...he was very impressed :-) Oh yeah, and I built that in my garage too, which also gives my altitude to ATC in an IFR environment! Scary! Paul Besing ----- Original Message ---- From: David Leonard Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:04:54 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Needed: Answer; Is Non-TSO Altimeter - Good for IFR? Without question, non-TSO is OK for experimental aircraft. I would consider making the shop show you where it says that a TSO is required to pass the static-system test. I have 2 non-TSO altimiters (Rockymountain and Bluemountain) and they both pass every time. Both are easy to calibrate down to less than 10' error at any altitude. - i.e. they both outperform any TSO steam guage. But that is beside the point. If you google you can find a copy of the instructions for performing the static system test. Dave Leonard On Nov 13, 2007 7:18 AM, wrote: Help. My Glasair III needs its two year IFR certification, i.e., pitot/static, altimeter, & transponder check. The altimeter (I just found out) is non-TSO'd. Does anyone have the Regs and/or clarification that says this is legal for IFR in an experimental aircraft? My local avionics shop says no, and will not do the test and certification. Thank you in advance. Jeff -- David Leonard Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net http://RotaryRoster.net Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 04:43:44 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Needed: Answer; Is Non-TSO Altimeter - Good for IFR? From: darnpilot@aol.com Thanks for the replies.? My shop is actually pretty good (and the only one in town).? I understand, somewhat, that they are caught between the FAA and their own ignorance.? The local Orlando FSDO (avionics inspector) says the shop cannot "certify" a non-TSO'd altimeter.? They showed me the FARs that they THINK says this, but it is clear that they are wrong. My philosophy is to try to give my local shop the work, but I might be forced to go elsewhere.? It bugs me because there is no reason that I have to go to all the additional trouble and expense of an out of town avionics shop for this simple requirement. I'm going to contact the EAA and get them on the ass of the local FSDO and try to educate them accordingly.? This is the kind of excrement I was trying to get away from by going to the experimental world. Jeff -----Original Message----- From: Paul Besing Sent: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 7:25 pm Subject: Re: RV-List: Needed: Answer; Is Non-TSO Altimeter - Good for IFR? The only things that have to be certified for IFR are the transponder, encoder, and altimeter.? All can be done in about an hour of work.? You don't really certify the "airplane", just that the pitot/static and transponder have been tested and are within the standards of the regulations.? This needs to be done every 24 months to be IFR "certified". I wouldn't even tell them that the instruments aren't TSO'd.? Just go to an avionics shop and tell them you need a transponder and pitot static check.? If they won't do it because you have a big "experimental" sticker on your plane, then you probably won't want to do business with them anyway.? Ask any of the flying IFR birds, lancairs, glasairs, RV's, etc around your field and they'll tell you where to go. Paul Besing ----- Original Message ---- From: Greg Williams Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 4:40:15 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Needed: Answer; Is Non-TSO Altimeter - Good for IFR? So, if I want my -7 blessed for IFR, I take it to an avionics shop friendly to Experimentals and ask them to certify the airplane or each instrument? On Nov 13, 2007 3:13 PM, Paul Besing < pbesing@yahoo.com> wrote: Good luck with that.? As soon as they find out it's "Experimental" some places are sent slamming their doors, throwing away the key, and changing their phone number because they are so afraid of those crazy people who build airplanes in the garages.? I was lucky, I'm at an airport that has alot of experimentals, and they are easy to work with.? As a matter of fact, my "Non-TSO'd" Rocky Mountain uEncoder was more accurate than most he tests...he was very impressed :-)? Oh yeah, and I built that in my garage too, which also gives my altitude to ATC in an IFR environment!? Scary! Paul Besing ----- Original Message ---- From: David Leonard Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:04:54 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Needed: Answer; Is Non-TSO Altimeter - Good for IFR? Without question, non-TSO is OK for experimental aircraft.? I would consider making the shop show you where it says that a TSO is required to pass the static-system test. I have 2 non-TSO altimiters (Rockymountain and Bluemountain) and they both pass every time.? Both are easy to calibrate down to less than 10' error at any altitude.? - i.e. they both outperform any TSO steam guage.? But that is beside the point. If you google you can find? a copy of the instructions for performing the static system test. Dave Leonard On Nov 13, 2007 7:18 AM, wrote: Help. My Glasair III needs its two year IFR certification, i.e., pitot/static, altimeter, & transponder check.? The altimeter (I just found out) is non-TSO'd.? Does anyone have the Regs and/or clarification that says this is legal for IFR in an experimental aircraft?? My local avionics shop says no, and will not do the test and certification. Thank you in advance. Jeff -- David Leonard Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net http://RotaryRoster.net Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 05:22:33 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Needed: Answer; Is Non-TSO Altimeter - Good for IFR? From: passpat@aol.com you folks should read the requirments to fly in an IFR inviroment and then equip accordingly -----Original Message----- From: Paul Besing Sent: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 4:25 pm Subject: Re: RV-List: Needed: Answer; Is Non-TSO Altimeter - Good for IFR? The only things that have to be certified for IFR are the transponder, encoder, and altimeter.? All can be done in about an hour of work.? You don't really certify the "airplane", just that the pitot/static and transponder have been tested and are within the standards of the regulations.? This needs to be done every 24 months to be IFR "certified". I wouldn't even tell them that the instruments aren't TSO'd.? Just go to an avionics shop and tell them you need a transponder and pitot static check.? If they won't do it because you have a big "experimental" sticker on your plane, then you probably won't want to do business with them anyway.? Ask any of the flying IFR birds, lancairs, glasairs, RV's, etc around your field and they'll tell you where to go. Paul Besing ----- Original Message ---- From: Greg Williams Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 4:40:15 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Needed: Answer; Is Non-TSO Altimeter - Good for IFR? So, if I want my -7 blessed for IFR, I take it to an avionics shop friendly to Experimentals and ask them to certify the airplane or each instrument? On Nov 13, 2007 3:13 PM, Paul Besing < pbesing@yahoo.com> wrote: Good luck with that.? As soon as they find out it's "Experimental" some places are sent slamming their doors, throwing away the key, and changing their phone number because they are so afraid of those crazy people who build airplanes in the garages.? I was lucky, I'm at an airport that has alot of experimentals, and they are easy to work with.? As a matter of fact, my "Non-TSO'd" Rocky Mountain uEncoder was more accurate than most he tests...he was very impressed :-)? Oh yeah, and I built that in my garage too, which also gives my altitude to ATC in an IFR environment!? Scary! Paul Besing ----- Original Message ---- From: David Leonard Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:04:54 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Needed: Answer; Is Non-TSO Altimeter - Good for IFR? Without question, non-TSO is OK for experimental aircraft.? I would consider making the shop show you where it says that a TSO is required to pass the static-system test. I have 2 non-TSO altimiters (Rockymountain and Bluemountain) and they both pass every time.? Both are easy to calibrate down to less than 10' error at any altitude.? - i.e. they both outperform any TSO steam guage.? But that is beside the point. If you google you can find? a copy of the instructions for performing the static system test. Dave Leonard On Nov 13, 2007 7:18 AM, wrote: Help. My Glasair III needs its two year IFR certification, i.e., pitot/static, altimeter, & transponder check.? The altimeter (I just found out) is non-TSO'd.? Does anyone have the Regs and/or clarification that says this is legal for IFR in an experimental aircraft?? My local avionics shop says no, and will not do the test and certification. Thank you in advance. Jeff -- David Leonard Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net http://RotaryRoster.net Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 05:54:46 PM PST US From: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" Subject: RV-List: Airplane jacking, nose gear removal I'm definitely bummed that I need to take the nose gear apart again to install the new shorter fork and... have to pay for shipping, new fork, etc. when the airplane hasn't even flown yet!!! But...having taken some flight time with Mike Seager and having had some difficulty getting the flare just right on landing, I feel that this would add some additional safety margin and is worth while to do before first flight. Now I just need to find a way to jack and hold the front end of the airplane up for a few weeks (?months?) while I send the gear leg in for shortening. Any ideas? And..even though it's a moot point now, I think Van's making that a MANDATORY service bulletin was a crock. The RV-6A has been around for 20 years now and this is the first we hear of this "problem". Yes I think it's a good thing to do for safety and piece of mind. But many pilots have done first flights without experiencing the nose over. If I had many hours in my RV without incident I'd be pretty upset about having to pay a bunch of money for a non problem. Van is basically voiding every RV nose dragger's insurance policy until this is fixed. Although it won't be difficult or time consuming for Langair machining to cut off my gear leg, there is going to be a huge run on these things and until the backlog clears, we are all going to be grounded! That sucks!!! Dean RV-6A N197DM closer to 1st flight. ________________ Original Message ______________ Time: 07:53:15 PM PST US From: Jeff Dowling Subject: RV-List: Factory recall gear leg Why is it our responsibility to pay for a design flaw? Could you imagine what would happen to Ford? Shemp do not archive John Fasching wrote: > Where is the web site that has the description of the 'box' they > desire you to use to send your gear leg to Lange for shortening? > > thanks > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 09:48:20 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Airpax Circuit Breaker/Switches From: mikerv6a@ao.com Airpax was acquired by Sensata this year. Product and source information is available at: http://www.airpax.net/ Mike > I purchased a number of Airpax circuit breaker/switches from a vendor at > Oshkosh and have used them successfully in my rv-4 for 15 years. Recently > one has failed (my strobe light can only be turned off with the master > switch now). Does anyone know of a source for these items? > > Thanks, > > Ivan Haecker -4 1430hrs. S. Cen. TX ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 06:05:02 PM PST US From: Scott Subject: Re: RV-List: Airplane jacking, nose gear removal I didn't think there was such a thing as "mandatory" (ie, airworthiness directives) service bulletins on experimentals. Granted, it might not be a bad idea to comply, but I always thought these sorts of things were left up to the aircraft manufacturer (builder)...not the designer. Scott http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/ Gotta Fly or Gonna Die Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version) DEAN PSIROPOULOS wrote: > >I'm definitely bummed that I need to take the nose gear apart again to >install the new shorter fork and... have to pay for shipping, new fork, etc. >when the airplane hasn't even flown yet!!! But...having taken some flight >time with Mike Seager and having had some difficulty getting the flare just >right on landing, I feel that this would add some additional safety margin >and is worth while to do before first flight. Now I just need to find a way >to jack and hold the front end of the airplane up for a few weeks (?months?) >while I send the gear leg in for shortening. Any ideas? > >And..even though it's a moot point now, I think Van's making that a >MANDATORY service bulletin was a crock. The RV-6A has been around for 20 >years now and this is the first we hear of this "problem". Yes I think it's >a good thing to do for safety and piece of mind. But many pilots have done >first flights without experiencing the nose over. If I had many hours in >my RV without incident I'd be pretty upset about having to pay a bunch of >money for a non problem. Van is basically voiding every RV nose dragger's >insurance policy until this is fixed. Although it won't be difficult or >time consuming for Langair machining to cut off my gear leg, there is going >to be a huge run on these things and until the backlog clears, we are all >going to be grounded! That sucks!!! > >Dean >RV-6A N197DM >closer to 1st flight. > > >________________ Original Message ______________ > > >Time: 07:53:15 PM PST US >From: Jeff Dowling >Subject: RV-List: Factory recall gear leg > > >Why is it our responsibility to pay for a design flaw? Could you >imagine what would happen to Ford? > >Shemp > >do not archive > > >John Fasching wrote: > > >>Where is the web site that has the description of the 'box' they >>desire you to use to send your gear leg to Lange for shortening? >> >>thanks >>* >> >> >>* >> >> > > >________________________________ Message 20 >____________________________________ > > >Time: 09:48:20 PM PST US >Subject: Re: RV-List: Airpax Circuit Breaker/Switches >From: mikerv6a@ao.com > > >Airpax was acquired by Sensata this year. >Product and source information is available at: > > http://www.airpax.net/ > >Mike > > > > >>I purchased a number of Airpax circuit breaker/switches from a vendor at >>Oshkosh and have used them successfully in my rv-4 for 15 years. Recently >>one has failed (my strobe light can only be turned off with the master >>switch now). Does anyone know of a source for these items? >> >>Thanks, >> >>Ivan Haecker -4 1430hrs. S. Cen. TX >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 06:13:16 PM PST US From: rveighta Subject: RV-List: RV nosegear jacking Dean, In the past, with my RV8A, I have just put a blanket on the horizontal stab and placed a 40lb sandbag on each side, while hanging on to prevent the tail from falling. You can then lower the tail to a support, with the nose wheel off the ground. Worked for me...... Walt Shipley RV8A flying, RV8 almost done. Do not archive. ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 06:16:29 PM PST US From: "Emrath" Subject: RV-List: Nose Gear Leg Has anyone found that shortening the leg in anyway reduces the prop ground clearance? I also find that the Langair web site now states to include a check for $100 and they will refund or bill for any difference. Marty in Brentwood TN Time: 06:55:38 PM PST US From: Ralph Hoover Subject: RV-List: Price for nose gear leg? Charlie, Here is the story on the gear leg mod from Harmon Lang. This is to go from a -2 to a -3, if you have the -1 I believe you need the new leg, I was unable to find the price on "the list" either. You probably need to call Van's. /"The procedure to send the nose gear for modifying. Pack it up in a box or tube and send it to Langair Machining 33094 Church Rd. Warren Or. 97053. A drawing for a box is on the web site. A tube from a carpet core also works. Include $75.00 for the work and enough to ship it back. Cash or check. We don't take credit cards. Include a return label. We will remove it from the container, cut the 1 in off, rethread and put it back in the same container. The rethreading is done with a carbide thread milling tool running in a CNC mill. If you have the mill you can do this yourself. Cutter cost and set up will only cost about $300.00 or so. Expect the time in our shop to be about 4 days. Until we know how many there will be, we have to set one day aside to do the batch that comes in for the week. Please help by making the repackaging go as easily as possible. NO CONFUSION. Harmon"/ -----Original Message----- From: Ralph Hoover [mailto:hooverra@verizon.net] Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 7:41 AM Subject: RV7A U603-2 Modification Harmon, Please supply a quotation for modification of a Vans U-603-2 nose gear leg to a U603-3 per SB 07-11-09. Thank you -- Ralph C. Hoover RV7A hooverra at verizon dot net -- Ralph C. Hoover RV7A hooverra at verizon dot net Marty ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 06:56:45 PM PST US From: Bobby Hester Subject: Re: RV-List: Nose Gear Leg Not for sure here, but I think the prop/ground clearance stays the same. The redesigned nose fork is where the difference is, it allows the leg to be shorter, therefore allowing more clearance between the nut and the ground. Just placed my order a few minutes ago :-) ---- Surfing the web from Hopkinsville, KY Visit my RV7A web site: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/ Emrath wrote: > > Has anyone found that shortening the leg in anyway reduces the prop ground > clearance? I also find that the Langair web site now states to include a > check for $100 and they will refund or bill for any difference. > > Marty in Brentwood TN > > > Time: 06:55:38 PM PST US > From: Ralph Hoover > Subject: RV-List: Price for nose gear leg? > > > Charlie, > Here is the story on the gear leg mod from Harmon Lang. This is to go from a > -2 to a -3, if you have the -1 I believe you need the new leg, I was unable > to find the price on "the list" either. You probably need to call Van's. > > /"The procedure to send the nose gear for modifying. > Pack it up in a box or tube and send it to Langair Machining 33094 Church > Rd. Warren Or. 97053. A drawing for a box is on the web site. A tube from a > carpet core also works. Include $75.00 for the work and enough to ship it > back. Cash or check. We don't take credit cards. Include a return label. We > will remove it from the container, cut the 1 in off, rethread and put it > back in the same container. The rethreading is done with a carbide thread > milling tool running in a CNC mill. If you have the mill you can do this > yourself. Cutter cost and set up will only cost about $300.00 or so. Expect > the time in our shop to be about 4 days. Until we know how many there will > be, we have to set one day aside to do the batch that comes in for the week. > Please help by making the repackaging go as easily as possible. NO > CONFUSION. Harmon"/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ralph Hoover [mailto:hooverra@verizon.net] > Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 7:41 AM > Subject: RV7A U603-2 Modification > > Harmon, > Please supply a quotation for modification of a Vans U-603-2 nose > gear leg to a U603-3 per SB 07-11-09. > Thank you > > -- Ralph C. Hoover RV7A hooverra at verizon dot net > > ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 07:24:43 PM PST US From: Ralph Hoover Subject: RV-List: Airplane jacking, nose gear removal I just finished removal and packing of my gear leg. Packing is worse that removal. I put a short padded saw horse under the tail and loaded it with 3 bags of sand. (I strapped the bags to the tail) The tail feathers are off until the gear comes back and I move to the airport which should happen soon. For packing I used a heavy cardboard tube ~1/4" wall. I cut it at 20 degrees about 10 inches from the end and spliced it back together with plywood angles screwed inside the tube. The gear leg is a close fit between the splice plates. the top end is held with a plywood disc with a hole to fit the leg screwed into the tube. -- Ralph C. Hoover RV7A hooverra at verizon dot net ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 07:35:22 PM PST US From: Darrell Reiley Subject: Re: RV-List: Nose Gear Leg With the new fork there is a 'rake' adjustment. Shortening the leg does nothing but raise the threads as the thickness of the fork yoke is narrower. How much difference in 'rake' (angle on the fork) to my knowledge has not been published. Darrell --- Bobby Hester wrote: > > > Not for sure here, but I think the prop/ground > clearance stays the same. > The redesigned nose fork is where the difference is, > it allows the leg > to be shorter, therefore allowing more clearance > between the nut and the > ground. Just placed my order a few minutes ago :-) > > ---- > Surfing the web from Hopkinsville, KY > Visit my RV7A web site: > http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/ > > > > Emrath wrote: > > > > > Has anyone found that shortening the leg in anyway > reduces the prop ground > > clearance? I also find that the Langair web site > now states to include a > > check for $100 and they will refund or bill for > any difference. > > > > Marty in Brentwood TN > > > > > > Time: 06:55:38 PM PST US > > From: Ralph Hoover > > Subject: RV-List: Price for nose gear leg? > > > > > > Charlie, > > Here is the story on the gear leg mod from Harmon > Lang. This is to go from a > > -2 to a -3, if you have the -1 I believe you need > the new leg, I was unable > > to find the price on "the list" either. You > probably need to call Van's. > > > > /"The procedure to send the nose gear for > modifying. > > Pack it up in a box or tube and send it to Langair > Machining 33094 Church > > Rd. Warren Or. 97053. A drawing for a box is on > the web site. A tube from a > > carpet core also works. Include $75.00 for the > work and enough to ship it > > back. Cash or check. We don't take credit cards. > Include a return label. We > > will remove it from the container, cut the 1 in > off, rethread and put it > > back in the same container. The rethreading is > done with a carbide thread > > milling tool running in a CNC mill. If you have > the mill you can do this > > yourself. Cutter cost and set up will only cost > about $300.00 or so. Expect > > the time in our shop to be about 4 days. Until we > know how many there will > > be, we have to set one day aside to do the batch > that comes in for the week. > > Please help by making the repackaging go as easily > as possible. NO > > CONFUSION. Harmon"/ > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ralph Hoover [mailto:hooverra@verizon.net] > > Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 7:41 AM > > Subject: RV7A U603-2 Modification > > > > Harmon, > > Please supply a quotation for modification of > a Vans U-603-2 nose > > gear leg to a U603-3 per SB 07-11-09. > > Thank you > > > > -- Ralph C. Hoover RV7A hooverra at verizon dot > net > > > > > > > > Click on > about > Admin. > > browse > Un/Subscription, > FAQ, > > Forums! > > > > > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 07:42:26 PM PST US From: "Bill Schlatterer" Subject: RE: RV-List: Nose Gear Leg It is shortened from the bottom which increases ground clearance for the fork but has no impact on prop clearance. Attached pix might help. Not sure whose it is but it shows the difference well. Also the $100 from Lang is really $75 for machining and $25 for freight back and he sends you a check for the diff. I think mine was about $8 back. He did a perfect job and I had it back in two weeks. A bargain! Building the box was the hard part. Bill S 7a Ark -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Emrath Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:16 PM Subject: RV-List: Nose Gear Leg Has anyone found that shortening the leg in anyway reduces the prop ground clearance? I also find that the Langair web site now states to include a check for $100 and they will refund or bill for any difference. Marty in Brentwood TN Time: 06:55:38 PM PST US From: Ralph Hoover Subject: RV-List: Price for nose gear leg? Charlie, Here is the story on the gear leg mod from Harmon Lang. This is to go from a -2 to a -3, if you have the -1 I believe you need the new leg, I was unable to find the price on "the list" either. You probably need to call Van's. /"The procedure to send the nose gear for modifying. Pack it up in a box or tube and send it to Langair Machining 33094 Church Rd. Warren Or. 97053. A drawing for a box is on the web site. A tube from a carpet core also works. Include $75.00 for the work and enough to ship it back. Cash or check. We don't take credit cards. Include a return label. We will remove it from the container, cut the 1 in off, rethread and put it back in the same container. The rethreading is done with a carbide thread milling tool running in a CNC mill. If you have the mill you can do this yourself. Cutter cost and set up will only cost about $300.00 or so. Expect the time in our shop to be about 4 days. Until we know how many there will be, we have to set one day aside to do the batch that comes in for the week. Please help by making the repackaging go as easily as possible. NO CONFUSION. Harmon"/ -----Original Message----- From: Ralph Hoover [mailto:hooverra@verizon.net] Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 7:41 AM Subject: RV7A U603-2 Modification Harmon, Please supply a quotation for modification of a Vans U-603-2 nose gear leg to a U603-3 per SB 07-11-09. Thank you -- Ralph C. Hoover RV7A hooverra at verizon dot net -- Ralph C. Hoover RV7A hooverra at verizon dot net Marty =D2=D3=AC List 7-Day ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 08:01:05 PM PST US From: "Ron Lee" Subject: Re: RV-List: Nose Gear Leg The hole for the axle and the forward hole for holding the nose wheel fairing are in the same place. The top of the fork is in the same place. The bottom angle has changed but is not a factor. Ron Lee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darrell Reiley" Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:34 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Nose Gear Leg > > With the new fork there is a 'rake' adjustment. > Shortening the leg does nothing but raise the threads > as the thickness of the fork yoke is narrower. How > much difference in 'rake' (angle on the fork) to my > knowledge has not been published. > > Darrell > > > --- Bobby Hester wrote: > >> >> >> Not for sure here, but I think the prop/ground >> clearance stays the same. >> The redesigned nose fork is where the difference is, >> it allows the leg >> to be shorter, therefore allowing more clearance >> between the nut and the >> ground. Just placed my order a few minutes ago :-) >> >> ---- >> Surfing the web from Hopkinsville, KY >> Visit my RV7A web site: >> http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/ >> >> >> >> Emrath wrote: >> >> > >> > Has anyone found that shortening the leg in anyway >> reduces the prop ground >> > clearance? I also find that the Langair web site >> now states to include a >> > check for $100 and they will refund or bill for >> any difference. >> > >> > Marty in Brentwood TN >> > >> > >> > Time: 06:55:38 PM PST US >> > From: Ralph Hoover >> > Subject: RV-List: Price for nose gear leg? >> > >> > >> > Charlie, >> > Here is the story on the gear leg mod from Harmon >> Lang. This is to go from a >> > -2 to a -3, if you have the -1 I believe you need >> the new leg, I was unable >> > to find the price on "the list" either. You >> probably need to call Van's. >> > >> > /"The procedure to send the nose gear for >> modifying. >> > Pack it up in a box or tube and send it to Langair >> Machining 33094 Church >> > Rd. Warren Or. 97053. A drawing for a box is on >> the web site. A tube from a >> > carpet core also works. Include $75.00 for the >> work and enough to ship it >> > back. Cash or check. We don't take credit cards. >> Include a return label. We >> > will remove it from the container, cut the 1 in >> off, rethread and put it >> > back in the same container. The rethreading is >> done with a carbide thread >> > milling tool running in a CNC mill. If you have >> the mill you can do this >> > yourself. Cutter cost and set up will only cost >> about $300.00 or so. Expect >> > the time in our shop to be about 4 days. Until we >> know how many there will >> > be, we have to set one day aside to do the batch >> that comes in for the week. >> > Please help by making the repackaging go as easily >> as possible. NO >> > CONFUSION. Harmon"/ >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Ralph Hoover [mailto:hooverra@verizon.net] >> > Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 7:41 AM >> > Subject: RV7A U603-2 Modification >> > >> > Harmon, >> > Please supply a quotation for modification of >> a Vans U-603-2 nose >> > gear leg to a U603-3 per SB 07-11-09. >> > Thank you >> > >> > -- Ralph C. Hoover RV7A hooverra at verizon dot >> net >> > >> > >> >> >> >> Click on >> about >> Admin. >> >> browse >> Un/Subscription, >> FAQ, >> >> Forums! >> >> >> >> >> > > > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. > Make Yahoo! your homepage. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 08:17:33 PM PST US From: Darrell Reiley Subject: RE: RV-List: Nose Gear Leg Ditto what Bill said. The rake diffrence is in the fork due to the shortening of the leg at the threads. No clearance difference at all to my knowledge. Darrell --- Bill Schlatterer wrote: > It is shortened from the bottom which increases > ground clearance for the > fork but has no impact on prop clearance. Attached > pix might help. Not > sure whose it is but it shows the difference well. > > Also the $100 from Lang is really $75 for machining > and $25 for freight back > and he sends you a check for the diff. I think mine > was about $8 back. He > did a perfect job and I had it back in two weeks. A > bargain! Building the > box was the hard part. > > Bill S > 7a Ark > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On > Behalf Of Emrath > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:16 PM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: Nose Gear Leg > > > > Has anyone found that shortening the leg in anyway > reduces the prop ground > clearance? I also find that the Langair web site > now states to include a > check for $100 and they will refund or bill for any > difference. > > Marty in Brentwood TN > > > Time: 06:55:38 PM PST US > From: Ralph Hoover > Subject: RV-List: Price for nose gear leg? > > > Charlie, > Here is the story on the gear leg mod from Harmon > Lang. This is to go from a > -2 to a -3, if you have the -1 I believe you need > the new leg, I was unable > to find the price on "the list" either. You probably > need to call Van's. > > /"The procedure to send the nose gear for modifying. > Pack it up in a box or tube and send it to Langair > Machining 33094 Church > Rd. Warren Or. 97053. A drawing for a box is on the > web site. A tube from a > carpet core also works. Include $75.00 for the work > and enough to ship it > back. Cash or check. We don't take credit cards. > Include a return label. We > will remove it from the container, cut the 1 in off, > rethread and put it > back in the same container. The rethreading is done > with a carbide thread > milling tool running in a CNC mill. If you have the > mill you can do this > yourself. Cutter cost and set up will only cost > about $300.00 or so. Expect > the time in our shop to be about 4 days. Until we > know how many there will > be, we have to set one day aside to do the batch > that comes in for the week. > Please help by making the repackaging go as easily > as possible. NO > CONFUSION. Harmon"/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ralph Hoover [mailto:hooverra@verizon.net] > Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 7:41 AM > Subject: RV7A U603-2 Modification > > Harmon, > Please supply a quotation for modification of a > Vans U-603-2 nose gear > leg to a U603-3 per SB 07-11-09. > Thank you > > -- Ralph C. Hoover RV7A hooverra at verizon dot net > > -- > Ralph C. Hoover > RV7A > hooverra at verizon dot net > > > > Marty > > > > > List > 7-Day > > > > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 08:17:56 PM PST US From: bobperk90658@bellsouth.net Subject: Re: RV-List: Factory recall gear leg Wonder what a gear leg and fork would cost if it were for a Grumman Tiger, Piper, or Cessna? Bob Perkinson RV-9 Do Not Archive

Wonder what a gear leg and fork would cost if it were for a Grumman Tiger, Piper, or Cessna?

 

Bob Perkinson

RV-9

Do Not Archive
________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 09:11:02 PM PST US From: Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: RV-List: Needed: Answer; Is Non-TSO Altimeter - Good for IFR? The regulation calls for a "sensitive altimeter". Reference is 91.205. No mention of TSO at all. If you want to minimize cost, buy an overhauled unit from one of the reputable instrument shops like Century Instruments, for about $375. For certification the requirements are in Part 43, Appendix E. Again, no mention of TSO. In general, TSO is only required for Part 135 and 121. darnpilot@aol.com wrote: > Thanks for the replies. My shop is actually pretty good (and the only > one in town). I understand, somewhat, that they are caught between > the FAA and their own ignorance. The local Orlando FSDO (avionics > inspector) says the shop cannot "certify" a non-TSO'd altimeter. They > showed me the FARs that they THINK says this, but it is clear that > they are wrong. > > My philosophy is to try to give my local shop the work, but I might be > forced to go elsewhere. It bugs me because there is no reason that I > have to go to all the additional trouble and expense of an out of town > avionics shop for this simple requirement. > > I'm going to contact the EAA and get them on the ass of the local FSDO > and try to educate them accordingly. This is the kind of excrement I > was trying to get away from by going to the experimental world. > > Jeff > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Besing > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Sent: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 7:25 pm > Subject: Re: RV-List: Needed: Answer; Is Non-TSO Altimeter - Good for IFR? > > The only things that have to be certified for IFR are the transponder, > encoder, and altimeter. All can be done in about an hour of work. > You don't really certify the "airplane", just that the pitot/static > and transponder have been tested and are within the standards of the > regulations. This needs to be done every 24 months to be IFR "certified". > > I wouldn't even tell them that the instruments aren't TSO'd. Just go > to an avionics shop and tell them you need a transponder and pitot > static check. If they won't do it because you have a big > "experimental" sticker on your plane, then you probably won't want to > do business with them anyway. Ask any of the flying IFR birds, > lancairs, glasairs, RV's, etc around your field and they'll tell you > where to go. > > Paul Besing > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Greg Williams > > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 4:40:15 PM > Subject: Re: RV-List: Needed: Answer; Is Non-TSO Altimeter - Good for IFR? > > So, if I want my -7 blessed for IFR, I take it to an avionics shop > friendly to Experimentals and ask them to certify the airplane or each > instrument? > > On Nov 13, 2007 3:13 PM, Paul Besing < pbesing@yahoo.com > > wrote: > > Good luck with that. As soon as they find out it's "Experimental" > some places are sent slamming their doors, throwing away the key, > and changing their phone number because they are so afraid of > those crazy people who build airplanes in the garages. I was > lucky, I'm at an airport that has alot of experimentals, and they > are easy to work with. As a matter of fact, my "Non-TSO'd" Rocky > Mountain uEncoder was more accurate than most he tests...he was > very impressed :-) Oh yeah, and I built that in my garage too, > which also gives my altitude to ATC in an IFR environment! Scary! > > Paul Besing > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: David Leonard > > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:04:54 AM > Subject: Re: RV-List: Needed: Answer; Is Non-TSO Altimeter - Good > for IFR? > > Without question, non-TSO is OK for experimental aircraft. I > would consider making the shop show you where it says that a TSO > is required to pass the static-system test. > > I have 2 non-TSO altimiters (Rockymountain and Bluemountain) and > they both pass every time. Both are easy to calibrate down to > less than 10' error at any altitude. - i.e. they both outperform > any TSO steam guage. But that is beside the point. > > If you google you can find a copy of the instructions for > performing the static system test. > > Dave Leonard > > On Nov 13, 2007 7:18 AM, > wrote: > > Help. > > My Glasair III needs its two year IFR certification, i.e., > pitot/static, altimeter, & transponder check. The altimeter > (I just found out) is non-TSO'd. Does anyone have the Regs > and/or clarification that says this is legal for IFR in an > experimental aircraft? My local avionics shop says no, and > will not do the test and certification. > > Thank you in advance. > > Jeff > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ! > > * > > > * > > > -- > David Leonard > > Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY > http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net > http://RotaryRoster.net > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. > > * > > > * > > > * > > > * > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. > * > > > * > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ! > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 09:12:06 PM PST US From: bobperk90658@bellsouth.net Subject: Re: RV-List: RV nosegear jacking If you are on a concrete slab you can drill a hole and sink a bolt anchor and an eye bolt in the concrete. Use a retching cargo strap hooked to the tie down and pull the tail down, or just hang a bunch of barbell weights to the cargo strap hooked to the tie down. Bob Perkinson RV-9 -------------- Original message from rveighta : -------------- > > Dean, In the past, with my RV8A, I have just put a blanket on the horizontal > stab and placed a 40lb sandbag on each side, while hanging on to prevent the > tail from falling. You can then lower the tail to a support, with the nose wheel > off the ground. Worked for me...... > > Walt Shipley RV8A flying, RV8 almost done. Do not archive. >

If you are on a concrete slab you can drill a hole and sink a bolt anchor and an eye bolt in the concrete.  Use a retching cargo strap hooked to the tie down and pull the tail down, or just hang a bunch of barbell weights to the cargo strap hooked to the tie down.

 

Bob Perkinson

RV-9


-------------- Original message from rveighta <rveighta@earthlink.net>: --------------


> --> RV-List message posted by: rveighta
>
> Dean, In the past, with my RV8A, I have just put a blanket on the horizontal
> stab and placed a 40lb sandbag on each side, while hanging on to prevent the
> tail from falling. You can then lower the tail to a support, with the nose wheel
> off the ground. Worked for me......
>
> Walt Shipley RV8A flying, RV8 almost done. Do not archive.
>
________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 10:09:32 PM PST US From: Paul Besing Subject: Re: RV-List: Needed: Answer; Is Non-TSO Altimeter - Good for IFR? I didn't cover the other requirements, and yes, there are other equipment requirements, but as far as an inspection for IFR cert goes, there are no other inspection/certification requirements besides the pitot/static and transponder. Obviously things like VOR checks (pilot check) and having all the other equipment, etc is another discussion. Paul Besing ----- Original Message ---- From: "passpat@aol.com" Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 6:21:52 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Needed: Answer; Is Non-TSO Altimeter - Good for IFR? you folks should read the requirments to fly in an IFR inviroment and then equip accordingly -----Original Message----- From: Paul Besing Sent: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 4:25 pm Subject: Re: RV-List: Needed: Answer; Is Non-TSO Altimeter - Good for IFR? The only things that have to be certified for IFR are the transponder, encoder, and altimeter. All can be done in about an hour of work. You don't really certify the "airplane", just that the pitot/static and transponder have been tested and are within the standards of the regulations. This needs to be done every 24 months to be IFR "certified". I wouldn't even tell them that the instruments aren't TSO'd. Just go to an avionics shop and tell them you need a transponder and pitot static check. If they won't do it because you have a big "experimental" sticker on your plane, then you probably won't want to do business with them anyway. Ask any of the flying IFR birds, lancairs, glasairs, RV's, etc around your field and they'll tell you where to go. Paul Besing ----- Original Message ---- From: Greg Williams Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 4:40:15 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Needed: Answer; Is Non-TSO Altimeter - Good for IFR? So, if I want my -7 blessed for IFR, I take it to an avionics shop friendly to Experimentals and ask them to certify the airplane or each instrument? On Nov 13, 2007 3:13 PM, Paul Besing < pbesing@yahoo.com> wrote: Good luck with that. As soon as they find out it's "Experimental" some places are sent slamming their doors, throwing away the key, and changing their phone number because they are so afraid of those crazy people who build airplanes in the garages. I was lucky, I'm at an airport that has alot of experimentals, and they are easy to work with. As a matter of fact, my "Non-TSO'd" Rocky Mountain uEncoder was more accurate than most he tests...he was very impressed :-) Oh yeah, and I built that in my garage too, which also gives my altitude to ATC in an IFR environment! Scary! Paul Besing ----- Original Message ---- From: David Leonard Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:04:54 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Needed: Answer; Is Non-TSO Altimeter - Good for IFR? Without question, non-TSO is OK for experimental aircraft. I would consider making the shop show you where it says that a TSO is required to pass the static-system test. I have 2 non-TSO altimiters (Rockymountain and Bluemountain) and they both pass every time. Both are easy to calibrate down to less than 10' error at any altitude. - i.e. they both outperform any TSO steam guage. But that is beside the point. If you google you can find a copy of the instructions for performing the static system test. Dave Leonard On Nov 13, 2007 7:18 AM, wrote: Help. My Glasair III needs its two year IFR certification, i.e., pitot/static, altimeter, & transponder check. The altimeter (I just found out) is non-TSO'd. Does anyone have the Regs and/or clarification that says this is legal for IFR in an experimental aircraft? My local avionics shop says no, and will not do the test and certification. Thank you in advance. 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