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0. 12:23 AM - What Are You Thankful For...? (Matt Dralle)
1. 06:01 AM - Re: coronary trouble (ddurakovich)
2. 06:50 AM - Re: How to buck the aftmost rivets of the inboard flap ribs? (Carl Peters)
3. 07:11 AM - Coronary Question (Richard Crosley)
4. 07:19 AM - Re: Re: coronary trouble (Chuck Jensen)
5. 07:35 AM - Re: Coronary Question (Ollie Washburn)
6. 07:41 AM - Re: Coronary Question (Sam Buchanan)
7. 12:40 PM - Re: How to buck the aftmost rivets of the inboard flap ribs? (Doug Gray)
8. 01:05 PM - Re: How to buck the aftmost rivets of the inboard flap ribs? (mike humphrey)
9. 04:31 PM - Re: How to buck the aftmost rivets of the inboard flap ribs? (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
10. 05:46 PM - Re: How to buck the aftmost rivets of the inboard flap ribs? (Terry Mortimore)
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| Subject: | What Are You Thankful For...? |
Dear Listers,
Here in the United States, Thursday is our National day of Thanksgiving. Many
of us will be traveling to be with our families and friends to share in generous
feasts of plenty and giving thanks for many blessings that have been bestowed
upon us.
Many Listers have expressed over the last couple of weeks how thankful they are
for the Email Lists and Forums here on the Matronics servers and for all of the
assistance and comradery they have experienced being a part of the Lists.
One of my favorite kind of comments is when write to me and says something like,
"Its the first thing I do in the morning while I'm having my morning coffee!".
That's a wonderful tribute to the purpose and function of these Lists. Its
always great to hear I'm not the only one that jumps out of bed each morning
to check my List email!!
Won't you take a minute today and show your appreciation for these Lists and for
their continued operation and upgrade?
The List Contribution Site is:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you in advance for your kind consideration,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| Subject: | Re: coronary trouble |
askdrkatz wrote:
> Your medical requirement for sports pilot is valid drivers lic, but that only
if you have never been refussed a medical certificate and thats were it gets
a little merky, I have heard it both ways from two different AME s. I would like
to think that I can fly sport pilot by simply letting my special lapse, however
my gut tells me this may not be so.
>
> Paul Katz DO
> RV7/fusel
>
>
The following was published in "The Federal Air Surgeon' s Medical Bulletin Vol.
44, No. 3 ",
and while it appears to be very enlightening, is still clear as mud to me.
However, for those of you versed in the language.......
Letters to the Editor
Dear Editor:
Great job on this months Medical Bulletin. I would like to see an article that
discusses the Light Sport Aircraft [LSA] pilot and medical issues. Here is what
I am seeing in my aeromedical practice...
I am now seeing previously medically certificated pilots who are transitioning
to the LSA pilot status who under normal circumstances could not meet the requirements
for medical certification for Class 1,2, or 3. These people feel that
just because they have a valid unrestricted drivers license that it okay to fly
in the LSA class. Here are some examples...
A previous Class 3 pilot allowed her medical to lapse so she could continue flying
LSA. She has breast cancer, is receiving radiation, and is also on chemotherapy.
A previous Class 3 pilot allowed his medical to lapse so he could continue flying
LSA. He had advanced coronary artery disease and is taking Comadin.
A previous Class 3 pilot allowed his medical to lapse so he could continue flying
LSA. He is currently taking SSRIs for depression.
I pointed out to each of these pilots that under [Title 14 Code of Federal Regulations,
part] 61.53 they [are] not okay to fly even LSA. They stated that FARs
dont count because they have a valid non restricted drivers license. Who is
right? Them or me??? My understanding of the regs is that ALL airman still need
to meet the medical standards of Part 61. The ruling as told in various LSA
brochures and lectures is indeed vague. The reg
states...Not know or have reason to know of any medical condition that would make
that person unable to operate a light sport aircraft in a safe manner. People
think that just because they can drive a car that they can fly LSA. I believe
that this reg needs to be better spelled out for the lay public flying LSA.
I believe very specific language needs to be created as a guide for people who
are self certifying. Specific things like you cannot fly LSA if youre taking
SSRIs, Coumadin, and so forth.
Please let me know if my understanding of the regs is correct.
Bob Lewis, DO
Columbus, Ohio
Dear Dr. Lewis:
Actually, if considered safe to fly is based on a personal physicians impression,
an airman can fly under Sport Pilot.
So, consider, for example, a person with a cardiomyopathy, ejection fraction of
30%, no dysrhythmias, no CHF, and can pass a stress test. This person would,
in fact, be eligible under Sport Pilot, but not likely under third-class certification
rules.
All those airman you described may be safe to fly under the Sport Pilot rules.
Thank you for these excellent questions.
Warren Silberman, DO, MPH
Manager, Aerospace Medical
Certification Division
--------
Dave Durakovich
RV-4, Flying!
N666PR
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| Subject: | Re: How to buck the aftmost rivets of the inboard flap ribs? |
I was able to use the no-hole long squeezer yoke on the second to last
one, then an MK319-BS pop rivet at the end. You can make a flat bucking
bar with some steel plate, but I decided the time spent doing that vs. a
second to pop in the 319BS was not worth it.
Carl Peters
RV-9A
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| Subject: | Coronary Question |
Why not get the light sport license now, while we all feel good. Then
when you're not sure about taking your next medical, but still feel good
enough to fly, you've got it in your back pocket. In the mean time
start building an RV-12, fly your fast RV and enjoy retirement. Any
rule against that?
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| Subject: | Re: coronary trouble |
What is the big deal...someone has breast cancer and is taking radiation and chemo?
How is that so debilitating that, as implied, they shouldn't be allowed
to fly LSA? Someone has coronary disease and takes a blood thinner? So? If
everyone that had coronary disease were not allowed to fly, the skies would be
empty. It's all about degree/severity and prognosis (code for attempting to
guess the future--always a chancy undertaking). A person with coronary disease
and taking a blood thinner scares me a lot less in an LSA than he does in a
SUV barreling toward me at 65 mph in the opposing lane and passing by 6' away,
which is perfectly legal.
Someone is being treated for depression. So? How does this impact LSA flying?
I've been fortunate to have never experienced depression, at least of the degree
that benefited from medical attention, but I'm starting to be depressed by
individuals, such as Mr. Lewis, who seems to want to sweep the skies clear of
everyone that isn't of the health standard of an Olympic competitor.
So, why am I, and all the rest us, able to judge when I'm fit to fly LSA? Well,
I've been living with this body for 50 some years. By now, I have a pretty
good idea of when things are working good versus when some of the system are less
than optimal to the point that concentration, reflexes, thought processes
and judgment are impaired to the point that I'm uncomfortable with driving or
flying. Yes, I can go to a doctor and get confirmation or more information regarding
unusual or new conditions, but I believe I, and most of the rest of us,
are perfectly capable of assessing our fitness for flight without someone looking
over our shoulder. I have no wish to harm myself and certainly not others,
so when I'm under the weather and not fit, I'll stay on the ground until those
circumstances change---its not that complicated for responsible folks.
Finally, kudos to Silberman for not taking the bait and giving a straightforward
answer that doesn't attempt to get into the subtleties and nuances of every
medical condition that might arise. Score one for the bureaucrats.
Chuck
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of ddurakovich
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 9:00 AM
Subject: RV-List: Re: coronary trouble
askdrkatz wrote:
> Your medical requirement for sports pilot is valid drivers lic, but that only
if you have never been refussed a medical certificate and thats were it gets
a little merky, I have heard it both ways from two different AME s. I would like
to think that I can fly sport pilot by simply letting my special lapse, however
my gut tells me this may not be so.
>
> Paul Katz DO
> RV7/fusel
>
>
The following was published in "The Federal Air Surgeon' s Medical Bulletin EUR
Vol. 44, No. 3 EUR",
and while it appears to be very enlightening, is still clear as mud to me.
However, for those of you versed in the language.......
Letters to the Editor
Dear Editor:
Great job on this monthEUR(tm)s Medical Bulletin. I would like to see an article
that discusses the Light Sport Aircraft [LSA] pilot and medical issues. Here
is what I am seeing in my aeromedical practice...
I am now seeing previously medically certificated pilots who are transitioning
to the LSA pilot status who under normal circumstances could not meet the requirements
for medical certification for Class 1,2, or 3. These people feel that
just because they have a valid EURoeunrestrictedEUR driverEUR(tm)s license that
it okay to fly in the LSA class. Here are some examples...
EUR A previous Class 3 pilot allowed her medical to lapse so she could continue
flying LSA. She has breast cancer, is receiving radiation, and is also on chemotherapy.
EUR A previous Class 3 pilot allowed his medical to lapse so he could continue
flying LSA. He had advanced coronary artery disease and is taking Comadin.
EUR A previous Class 3 pilot allowed his medical to lapse so he could continue
flying LSA. He is currently taking SSRIEUR(tm)s for depression.
I pointed out to each of these pilots that under [Title 14 Code of Federal Regulations,
part] 61.53 they [are] not okay to fly even LSA. They stated that FAREUR(tm)s
donEUR(tm)t count because they have a valid non restricted driverEUR(tm)s
license. Who is right? Them or me??? My understanding of the regs is that
ALL airman still need to meet the medical standards of Part 61. The ruling as
told in various LSA brochures and lectures is indeed vague. The reg
states...EURoeNot know or have reason to know of any medical condition that would
make that person unable to operate a light sport aircraft in a safe manner.EUR
People think that just because they can drive a car that they can fly LSA.
I believe that this reg needs to be better spelled out for the lay public flying
LSA. I believe very specific language needs to be created as a guide for people
who are EURoeself certifying.EUR Specific things like EURoeyou cannot fly
LSA if youEUR(tm)re taking SSRIs, Coumadin,EUR and so forth.
Please let me know if my understanding of the regs is correct.
Bob Lewis, DO
Columbus, Ohio
Dear Dr. Lewis:
Actually, if considered EURoesafe to flyEUR is based on a personal physicianEUR(tm)s
impression, an airman can fly under Sport Pilot.
So, consider, for example, a person with a cardiomyopathy, ejection fraction of
30%, no dysrhythmias, no CHF, and can pass a stress test. This person would,
in fact, be eligible under Sport Pilot, but not likely under third-class certification
rules.
All those airman you described may be safe to fly under the Sport Pilot rules.
Thank you for these excellent questions.
Warren Silberman, DO, MPH
Manager, Aerospace Medical
Certification Division
--------
Dave Durakovich
RV-4, Flying!
N666PR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=147907#147907
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| Subject: | Re: Coronary Question |
If you have a private or higher you already have the sport license as long
as you have not been denied a medical by the FAA.
Ollie
On 11/22/07, Richard Crosley <rcrosley@adelphia.net> wrote:
>
> Why not get the light sport license now, while we all feel good. Then
> when you're not sure about taking your next medical, but still feel good
> enough to fly, you've got it in your back pocket. In the mean time start
> building an RV-12, fly your fast RV and enjoy retirement. Any rule against
> that?
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Coronary Question |
Richard Crosley wrote:
> Why not get the light sport license now, while we all feel good.
> Then when you're not sure about taking your next medical, but still
> feel good enough to fly, you've got it in your back pocket. In the
> mean time start building an RV-12, fly your fast RV and enjoy
> retirement. Any rule against that?
Richard, as a private pilot you don't have to get an LSA license.
Even if you let your medical lapse, just make sure you have a valid
drivers license, fly only aircraft that fall within the LSA specs, stay
day/vfr within the confines of the Sport Pilot rule, and fly to your
heart's content! :-)
Sam Buchanan
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| Subject: | Re: How to buck the aftmost rivets of the inboard flap ribs? |
Use an axe blade as a bucking bar.
Doug Gray
On Wed, 2007-11-21 at 23:30 -0500, Michael D. Cencula wrote:
>
> Howdy listers!
>
> Anyone out there come up with a good way of bucking the aftmost rivets
> of the inboard flap ribs. There's hardly any room to get a bucking bar
> in there.
>
> See: http://www.our7a.com/images/20071121-05-tn.jpg
>
> As a last resort I can always use MK319BS rivets, but I'm hoping to use
> solid rivets.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike Cencula
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: How to buck the aftmost rivets of the inboard flap ribs? |
Ran into the same problem, sometimes you just have to compromise. I did
solid on top, MK319BS on the bottom. Don't worry, it will happen again.
Sometimes you just have to say, "Am I going to let one rivet stop me
building?"
Mike H
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Gray" <dgra1233@bigpond.net.au>
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: How to buck the aftmost rivets of the inboard flap
ribs?
>
> Use an axe blade as a bucking bar.
> Doug Gray
>
> On Wed, 2007-11-21 at 23:30 -0500, Michael D. Cencula wrote:
>> <matronics@cencula.com>
>>
>> Howdy listers!
>>
>> Anyone out there come up with a good way of bucking the aftmost rivets
>> of the inboard flap ribs. There's hardly any room to get a bucking bar
>> in there.
>>
>> See: http://www.our7a.com/images/20071121-05-tn.jpg
>>
>> As a last resort I can always use MK319BS rivets, but I'm hoping to use
>> solid rivets.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Mike Cencula
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: How to buck the aftmost rivets of the inboard flap ribs? |
One of my handiest "bucking bars" is a splitting wedge- grind one side of the
business end as flat as reasonably possible and polish to BB standards- works
great for all them tight places and makes the most satisfying ringing sound
when in use...
>From The PossumWorks in TN
Mark Phillips
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| Subject: | Re: How to buck the aftmost rivets of the inboard flap ribs? |
Hi Mike:
I ground and polished the jaws on a set of Vice Grip pliers and made a small
rivet squeezer. Had to grind the outside of the jaws quite a bit as well to
fit into the space. This tool came in handy in a number of places.
Not sure where I picked up on this idea, may have been the list in years
gone by.
Tailwinds, Terry.
> Howdy listers!
>
> Anyone out there come up with a good way of bucking the aftmost rivets of
> the inboard flap ribs. There's hardly any room to get a bucking bar in
> there.
>
> See: http://www.our7a.com/images/20071121-05-tn.jpg
>
> As a last resort I can always use MK319BS rivets, but I'm hoping to use
> solid rivets.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike Cencula
>
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