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1. 05:05 AM - Off Topic: Hanger Lighting (Michael Kraus)
2. 05:52 AM - Re: Off Topic: Hanger Lighting (Chuck Jensen)
3. 06:22 AM - EZ-1 Alt. hold (Bert Murillo)
4. 06:47 AM - Re: EZ-1 Alt. hold (Frank Stringham)
5. 06:48 AM - Re: Off Topic: Hanger Lighting (David Nelson)
6. 06:59 AM - Re: EZ-1 Alt. hold (Sam Buchanan)
7. 07:16 AM - Re: Off Topic: Hanger Lighting (Brian Meyette)
8. 07:36 AM - Re: Off Topic: Hanger Lighting (Tim Bryan)
9. 07:52 AM - Re: Off Topic: Hanger Lighting (Paul Besing)
10. 07:55 AM - Trio Customer Service (Paul Besing)
11. 08:09 AM - Re: Off Topic: Hanger Lighting (Dale Ensing)
12. 08:48 AM - Re: Off Topic: Hanger Lighting (Jim CArey)
13. 09:13 AM - Re: Off Topic: Hanger Lighting (Bruce Gray)
14. 09:24 AM - Re: Trio Customer Service (Ron Lee)
15. 09:46 AM - Re: Off Topic: Hanger Lighting (David E. Nelson)
16. 09:50 AM - Re: Off Topic: Hanger Lighting (mike humphrey)
17. 10:07 AM - Re: EZ-1 Alt. hold (Michael W Stewart)
18. 10:21 AM - Re: Trio Customer Service (Bill Boyd)
19. 10:48 AM - Re: Off Topic: Hanger Lighting (Chuck Weyant)
20. 11:21 AM - Trio EZ-Pilot or Altitude Hold (Ron Lee)
21. 11:41 AM - Re: Off Topic: Hanger Lighting (Tim Bryan)
22. 11:43 AM - Van's foil comm antenna (Lincoln Keill)
23. 11:52 AM - Re: Trio EZ-Pilot or Altitude Hold (Bill Boyd)
24. 12:40 PM - Re: Off Topic: Hanger Lighting (Jim Fogarty at Lakes & Leisure Realty)
25. 12:51 PM - Re: Off Topic: Hanger Lighting (Dave Nellis)
26. 01:26 PM - Re: Off Topic: Hanger Lighting (Tim Bryan)
27. 02:11 PM - Re: Off Topic: Hanger Lighting (Bill Settle)
28. 03:22 PM - Re: Van's foil comm antenna (Ralph E. Capen)
29. 03:22 PM - Wheel Pants fairings (Bert Murillo)
30. 03:43 PM - Re: Wheel Pants fairings (Ralph E. Capen)
31. 03:44 PM - Re: Wheel Pants fairings (Kyle Boatright)
32. 04:13 PM - Re: Trio EZ-Pilot or Altitude Hold (John Jessen)
33. 04:41 PM - Re: Van's foil comm antenna (Ed Bundy)
34. 05:15 PM - Re: Trio EZ-Pilot or Altitude Hold (Sam Buchanan)
35. 06:09 PM - Re: Trio EZ-Pilot or Altitude Hold (Speed 3 Guy)
36. 10:36 PM - Re: Off Topic: Hanger Lighting (Steven DiNieri)
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| Subject: | Off Topic: Hanger Lighting |
I am building a new hanger on my house and was looking for information on what
type of hanger lighting to install. The ceilings will be 16' tall and it is 44'
x 60'. I would like good work lighting throughout. Also, if anyone knows
of the light spacing it would help.
Thanks
-Mike Kraus
RV-4 Flying
RV-10 wiring
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| Subject: | Off Topic: Hanger Lighting |
Mike,
Just some advice...go to an industrial lighting shop. You will need to define
what you need the lighting for. Are you just illuminating the area so you don't
trip over the dog? Are you lighting it for general housekeeping, such as moving
equipment around and stacking things? Are you lighting it for fine work,
such as reading prints and diagrams and working on wires, and things that require
good light to enable good vision? They may even suggest providing high
quality lighting in the work area and lower intensity lighting in the balance
of the hangar. They will also look at your ceiling height and determine the correct
diffuser to use to distribute light and to prevent shadows...a big deal
if you are doing maintenance.
A quality job only costs a little more but you'll pay dearly if you put some crappy
home-brew lights in the hangar if you use it for anything but a place to
park your airplane. Just a thought.
Chuck
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michael Kraus
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 8:02 AM
Subject: RV-List: Off Topic: Hanger Lighting
I am building a new hanger on my house and was looking for information on what
type of hanger lighting to install. The ceilings will be 16' tall and it is 44'
x 60'. I would like good work lighting throughout. Also, if anyone knows
of the light spacing it would help.
Thanks
-Mike Kraus
RV-4 Flying
RV-10 wiring
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Hi;
Wopuld like to hear comments on the EZ-1 Altitude Hold, Installation
easy of use etc...
Versus the Altrac Unit, Prices are way up for both of course....
Thanks,
Bert
rv6a
do not archive
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Bert
The installation of the EZ Alt hold was realitivly easy. I am not flying so
I can't give info on that yet.
Frank @ SGu RV7A ...........NDY..............
> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:19:45 -0500> From: bertrv6@gmail.com> To: rv-li
st@matronics.com> Subject: RV-List: EZ-1 Alt. hold> > --> RV-List message p
osted by: "Bert Murillo" <bertrv6@gmail.com>> > Hi;> > Wopuld like to hear
comments on the EZ-1 Altitude Hold, Installation> easy of use etc...> > Ver
sus the Altrac Unit, Prices are way up for both of course....> > > Thanks,>
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| Subject: | Re: Off Topic: Hanger Lighting |
Hi Michael,
I can't speak about hangar lighting specifically, but I'll share my experiences
w/ lighting the garage.
I initially went with some dual florescenct bulb fixtures (40 watt, I believe)
that hung from an 8' ceiling about one foot. Sadly, they just didn't quite put
out the kind of light I was wanting. Especially if I was going to be working
under them. And, admittedly, I was a little tight in the wallet when I
purchased them.
I eventually replaced the above units w/ some dual flourescent 8 foot, 96 watt
bulbs (F96T12 bulbs). The fixtures attached to the ceiling. At the time (~4
yrs ago), the fixture and bulbs were about $50 per setup at Lowes. Also, the
nice thing about the F96T12 bulbs is that you don't have insert-and-twist to
install them. They use the spring loaded setup that works axially; so it's
more of a stab-and-release operation.
About a year ago I helped a friend replace some 2'x2' units in his office. The
new units used some little skinny flourescent bulbs (~3/4 of the diameter of
the traditional flourescent bulbs) that relied on electronics rather than
ballasts to operate. When we 1st turned them on, we couldn't help but notice
how bright they were. Don't know if they exist in the longer versions or not,
but you might consider them.
Also, since you're installing in a hangar (and with a high ceiling that is
probably dark and does not reflect any light), I'd consider adding some kind of
reflector that covers the top of the fixture to relect light back down where
it's needed/wanted. No sense wasting light upwards.
Good luck,
/\/elson
RV-7A - Fuse (getting close to the canopy work)
Austin, TX
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007, Michael Kraus wrote:
>
>
> I am building a new hanger on my house and was looking for information on
> what type of hanger lighting to install. The ceilings will be 16' tall and
> it is 44' x 60'. I would like good work lighting throughout. Also, if
> anyone knows of the light spacing it would help.
>
> Thanks -Mike Kraus RV-4 Flying RV-10 wiring
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: EZ-1 Alt. hold |
Bert Murillo wrote:
>
> Hi;
>
> Wopuld like to hear comments on the EZ-1 Altitude Hold, Installation
> easy of use etc...
>
> Versus the Altrac Unit, Prices are way up for both of course....
Bert, here are articles detailing my experiences with both devices:
http://thervjournal.com/altrak.htm
http://thervjournal.com/EZ-2.htm
Bottom line, they both work nicely. The EZ-1 has more capacity for being
calibrated to your preferences and can be easily upgraded to an even
more feature-rich unit. The servos for each system are also very
different with the EZ servo being lighter and it also is more advanced
in the way it communicates with the control unit.
Installation is similar for both systems. You can download all the
manuals from each manufacturer's web site.
Sam Buchanan
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| Subject: | Off Topic: Hanger Lighting |
What was suggested to me as the cheapest and simplest way to get good
lighting is to use those mercury vapor yard lights. You can just tape over
the light sensor, or I rewired mine around the sensor. Lots of light, they
only cost about $25 each, and they are not sensitive to cold as fluorescents
are.
brian
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Kraus
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 8:02 AM
Subject: RV-List: Off Topic: Hanger Lighting
I am building a new hanger on my house and was looking for information on
what type of hanger lighting to install. The ceilings will be 16' tall and
it is 44' x 60'. I would like good work lighting throughout. Also, if
anyone knows of the light spacing it would help.
Thanks
-Mike Kraus
RV-4 Flying
RV-10 wiring
11:06 AM
11:06 AM
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| Subject: | Off Topic: Hanger Lighting |
If this is not a heated area I would not recommend using the 8'
fluorescents. They do not respond as well to colder weather as they
flicker. You can use 4' fixtures with light shields (ceiling height) but
there are better options. Lowes and Home Depot sell a 65 watt fluorescent
area light that is round and has a parabolic type reflective lens. We have
many hangars here at our airpark that uses these including mine. A new
hangar was just built and 9 of these were spaced out in there which provides
excellent lighting in this hangar. The cost for these is around $44each.
We have some metal hangars that have very high ceilings and the same light
were used but were mounted on a metal extension to get the light down to
about 10-12 feet off the floor.
I am not an engineer and I didn't stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night
but I did spend over 20 years installing lighting systems in both
residential and commercial applications. I used these lights in my hangar
and they work well.
Tim
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Nelson
> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 8:41 AM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Off Topic: Hanger Lighting
>
>
>
> Hi Michael,
>
> I can't speak about hangar lighting specifically, but I'll share my
> experiences
> w/ lighting the garage.
>
> I initially went with some dual florescenct bulb fixtures (40 watt, I
> believe)
> that hung from an 8' ceiling about one foot. Sadly, they just didn't
> quite put
> out the kind of light I was wanting. Especially if I was going to be
> working
> under them. And, admittedly, I was a little tight in the wallet when I
> purchased them.
>
> I eventually replaced the above units w/ some dual flourescent 8 foot, 96
> watt
> bulbs (F96T12 bulbs). The fixtures attached to the ceiling. At the time
> (~4
> yrs ago), the fixture and bulbs were about $50 per setup at Lowes. Also,
> the
> nice thing about the F96T12 bulbs is that you don't have insert-and-twist
> to
> install them. They use the spring loaded setup that works axially; so
> it's
> more of a stab-and-release operation.
>
> About a year ago I helped a friend replace some 2'x2' units in his office.
> The
> new units used some little skinny flourescent bulbs (~3/4 of the diameter
> of
> the traditional flourescent bulbs) that relied on electronics rather than
> ballasts to operate. When we 1st turned them on, we couldn't help but
> notice
> how bright they were. Don't know if they exist in the longer versions or
> not,
> but you might consider them.
>
> Also, since you're installing in a hangar (and with a high ceiling that is
> probably dark and does not reflect any light), I'd consider adding some
> kind of
> reflector that covers the top of the fixture to relect light back down
> where
> it's needed/wanted. No sense wasting light upwards.
>
> Good luck,
>
> /\/elson
> RV-7A - Fuse (getting close to the canopy work)
> Austin, TX
>
>
>
> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007, Michael Kraus wrote:
>
> <n223rv@wolflakeairport.net>
> >
> >
> >
> > I am building a new hanger on my house and was looking for information
> on
> > what type of hanger lighting to install. The ceilings will be 16' tall
> and
> > it is 44' x 60'. I would like good work lighting throughout. Also, if
> > anyone knows of the light spacing it would help.
> >
> > Thanks -Mike Kraus RV-4 Flying RV-10 wiring
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Off Topic: Hanger Lighting |
I have a standard T hangar. I have 4 typical 2 bulb florescent fixtures, but I
suspended them from the ceiling to where they are about 10' high or so. Plenty
of light to do just about anything. I have them over the wings, and over the
tail. I may add one more over the middle of the fuse, but 4 seems to be fine.
Cheap and very effective. Obviously the work bench would need a suspended
light above it as well. Also, if you can epoxy the floor that would help if
you used white or light grey.
Paul Besing
----- Original Message ----
From: Michael Kraus <n223rv@wolflakeairport.net>
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 6:01:33 AM
Subject: RV-List: Off Topic: Hanger Lighting
<n223rv@wolflakeairport.net>
I am building a new hanger on my house and was looking for information
on what type of hanger lighting to install. The ceilings will be 16'
tall and it is 44' x 60'. I would like good work lighting throughout.
Also, if anyone knows of the light spacing it would help.
Thanks
-Mike Kraus
RV-4 Flying
RV-10 wiring
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| Subject: | Trio Customer Service |
Hey all..quick note. Have an EZ Pilot in my RV-4. Put it in about a year +.
It quit holding a course and would engage and disengage the servo. I called trio,
they said, "another one is on the way". 2 Days later I had a new one. They
said to ship the other back when I had the chance. I installed it, it was
programmed already for my aircraft, and it worked perfectly. Absolutely wonderful
customer service. Don't forget those guys when you are building your panel.
Paul Besing
RV-4 N73DD
Looking for last minute shopping deals?
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| Subject: | Re: Off Topic: Hanger Lighting |
Mike,
I see you have received quite a bit of info on hangar lighting. However, you
should check with your county/city inspector about hangar lighting
requirements before proceeding.
When I built my hangar next to my home, in a private residential airpark,
the county required me to put in special lighting fixtures that meet a
national code.Did not make me happy but I had no choice. They would not give
me a Certificate of Occupancy without the approved lighting. This may be
especially true if you live in a residential area, such as an airpark, but
they told me there is now a national code that covers all airplane hangars.
A friend tried getting around the requirement by calling the building a
storage building. But, when the inspector came out he saw the hangar door
and the 'storage building' claim went down the drain.
Good luck!
Dale Ensing
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Kraus" <n223rv@wolflakeairport.net>
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 8:01 AM
Subject: RV-List: Off Topic: Hanger Lightingn
>
>
> I am building a new hanger on my house and was looking for information on
> what type of hanger lighting to install. The ceilings will be 16' tall
> and it is 44' x 60'. I would like good work lighting throughout. Also,
> if anyone knows of the light spacing it would help.
>
> Thanks
> -Mike Kraus
> RV-4 Flying
> RV-10 wiring
>
>
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| Subject: | Off Topic: Hanger Lighting |
It depends on where you are. In cold weather florescent lights are not too
usefull. the take a long time to warm up and then are nto as bright as they
neomaly are in the warmer months. Up her in theh Colorado high country, I
have found that a mercury vapor hi bay frxture works best. thy take a few
minutes to get goiong but when they light it is bright.
Jim Carey
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Besing
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 8:39 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Off Topic: Hanger Lighting
I have a standard T hangar. I have 4 typical 2 bulb florescent fixtures,
but I suspended them from the ceiling to where they are about 10' high or
so. Plenty of light to do just about anything. I have them over the wings,
and over the tail. I may add one more over the middle of the fuse, but 4
seems to be fine. Cheap and very effective. Obviously the work bench would
need a suspended light above it as well. Also, if you can epoxy the floor
that would help if you used white or light grey.
Paul Besing
----- Original Message ----
From: Michael Kraus <n223rv@wolflakeairport.net>
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 6:01:33 AM
Subject: RV-List: Off Topic: Hanger Lighting
I am building a new hanger on my house and was looking for information on
what type of hanger lighting to install. The ceilings will be 16' tall and
it is 44' x 60'. I would like good work lighting throughout. Find them fast
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| Subject: | Off Topic: Hanger Lighting |
You might epoxy coat the floor with a light color paint. It will double the
effectiveness of any lighting fixtures.
Bruce
www.Glasair.org
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Jensen
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 8:47 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Off Topic: Hanger Lighting
Mike,
Just some advice...go to an industrial lighting shop. You will need to
define what you need the lighting for. Are you just illuminating the area
so you don't trip over the dog? Are you lighting it for general
housekeeping, such as moving equipment around and stacking things? Are you
lighting it for fine work, such as reading prints and diagrams and working
on wires, and things that require good light to enable good vision? They
may even suggest providing high quality lighting in the work area and lower
intensity lighting in the balance of the hangar. They will also look at
your ceiling height and determine the correct diffuser to use to distribute
light and to prevent shadows...a big deal if you are doing maintenance.
A quality job only costs a little more but you'll pay dearly if you put some
crappy home-brew lights in the hangar if you use it for anything but a place
to park your airplane. Just a thought.
Chuck
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michael Kraus
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 8:02 AM
Subject: RV-List: Off Topic: Hanger Lighting
I am building a new hanger on my house and was looking for information on
what type of hanger lighting to install. The ceilings will be 16' tall and
it is 44' x 60'. I would like good work lighting throughout. Also, if
anyone knows of the light spacing it would help.
Thanks
-Mike Kraus
RV-4 Flying
RV-10 wiring
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| Subject: | Re: Trio Customer Service |
I agree that they are very good. My EZ-Pilot allowed me to fly eight
hours
in one day recently with minimal fatigue other than a sore derrierre.
Now I need to get the altitude hold to make long cross-countries even
easier.
Ron Lee
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Besing
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 8:41 AM
Subject: RV-List: Trio Customer Service
Hey all..quick note. Have an EZ Pilot in my RV-4. Put it in about a
year +. It quit holding a course and would engage and disengage the
servo. I called trio, they said, "another one is on the way". 2 Days
later I had a new one. They said to ship the other back when I had the
chance. I installed it, it was programmed already for my aircraft, and
it worked perfectly. Absolutely wonderful customer service. Don't
forget those guys when you are building your panel.
Paul Besing
RV-4 N73DD
Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.
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| Subject: | Off Topic: Hanger Lighting |
Hi Tim,
Good point on temps. I do notice it takes a couple of minutes for them to warm
up and brighten up. I've also observed that the same applies to the standard
length units also but admittedly I've never compared the two.
By the time I get the kerosene heater going and the garage warmed up in the
cooler months, the lights are good to go.
? - Why wouldn't the 65 watt fluorescent units that you talk about below suffer
from the same effects (or is it affects)?
Regards,
/\/elson
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007, Tim Bryan wrote:
>
> If this is not a heated area I would not recommend using the 8'
> fluorescents. They do not respond as well to colder weather as they
> flicker. You can use 4' fixtures with light shields (ceiling height) but
> there are better options. Lowes and Home Depot sell a 65 watt fluorescent
> area light that is round and has a parabolic type reflective lens. We have
> many hangars here at our airpark that uses these including mine. A new
> hangar was just built and 9 of these were spaced out in there which provides
> excellent lighting in this hangar. The cost for these is around $44each.
> We have some metal hangars that have very high ceilings and the same light
> were used but were mounted on a metal extension to get the light down to
> about 10-12 feet off the floor.
>
> I am not an engineer and I didn't stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night
> but I did spend over 20 years installing lighting systems in both
> residential and commercial applications. I used these lights in my hangar
> and they work well.
>
> Tim
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-
>> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Nelson
>> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 8:41 AM
>> To: rv-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV-List: Off Topic: Hanger Lighting
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Michael,
>>
>> I can't speak about hangar lighting specifically, but I'll share my
>> experiences
>> w/ lighting the garage.
>>
>> I initially went with some dual florescenct bulb fixtures (40 watt, I
>> believe)
>> that hung from an 8' ceiling about one foot. Sadly, they just didn't
>> quite put
>> out the kind of light I was wanting. Especially if I was going to be
>> working
>> under them. And, admittedly, I was a little tight in the wallet when I
>> purchased them.
>>
>> I eventually replaced the above units w/ some dual flourescent 8 foot, 96
>> watt
>> bulbs (F96T12 bulbs). The fixtures attached to the ceiling. At the time
>> (~4
>> yrs ago), the fixture and bulbs were about $50 per setup at Lowes. Also,
>> the
>> nice thing about the F96T12 bulbs is that you don't have insert-and-twist
>> to
>> install them. They use the spring loaded setup that works axially; so
>> it's
>> more of a stab-and-release operation.
>>
>> About a year ago I helped a friend replace some 2'x2' units in his office.
>> The
>> new units used some little skinny flourescent bulbs (~3/4 of the diameter
>> of
>> the traditional flourescent bulbs) that relied on electronics rather than
>> ballasts to operate. When we 1st turned them on, we couldn't help but
>> notice
>> how bright they were. Don't know if they exist in the longer versions or
>> not,
>> but you might consider them.
>>
>> Also, since you're installing in a hangar (and with a high ceiling that is
>> probably dark and does not reflect any light), I'd consider adding some
>> kind of
>> reflector that covers the top of the fixture to relect light back down
>> where
>> it's needed/wanted. No sense wasting light upwards.
>>
>> Good luck,
>>
>> /\/elson
>> RV-7A - Fuse (getting close to the canopy work)
>> Austin, TX
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007, Michael Kraus wrote:
>>
>> <n223rv@wolflakeairport.net>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am building a new hanger on my house and was looking for information
>> on
>>> what type of hanger lighting to install. The ceilings will be 16' tall
>> and
>>> it is 44' x 60'. I would like good work lighting throughout. Also, if
>>> anyone knows of the light spacing it would help.
>>>
>>> Thanks -Mike Kraus RV-4 Flying RV-10 wiring
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Off Topic: Hanger Lighting |
Mike,
In my hanger I have the T-12 cold weather 8' units. Great lighting, work in
cold fine, easy to replace, just started replacing bulbs after 3 1/2 years
continual use, pricey but great lighting. Lowe's carries the 8' fixture and
bulbs(green ends and they just push in, no twisting). In my work areas I
have added specific lighting to the situation. Bandsaw, lathe, drill press
(dangerous areas) have separate lighting on switches. I would not hang any
lighting on the 16' ceiling though. Lighting disperses geometrically. So
whatever lighting that you choose, suspend it from some cheap chain and
lower it to about 2-3 feet above your highest point on the floor, ie tail of
plane. Reflectors are cheaper than lighting units and you will save
electricity which equals $. More $ to spend on RV's. Remember, whatever
lighting that you put in, you will not want to replace anytime soon, if
ever, by lowering your units, maintenance will be easier also, unless you
just happen to have a 16' step ladder.
Mike H
9A/8A
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Kraus" <n223rv@wolflakeairport.net>
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 8:01 AM
Subject: RV-List: Off Topic: Hanger Lighting
>
>
> I am building a new hanger on my house and was looking for information on
> what type of hanger lighting to install. The ceilings will be 16' tall
> and it is 44' x 60'. I would like good work lighting throughout. Also,
> if anyone knows of the light spacing it would help.
>
> Thanks
> -Mike Kraus
> RV-4 Flying
> RV-10 wiring
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: EZ-1 Alt. hold |
My experience Ditto Sams.
I have had both in my RV's.
Its the feature rich design that puts the Trio ahead in its class.
I have been able to put each upgrade in as they come and nothing but
software updates. No panel cutting. No wiring.
Cool.
Thrio's feature set has been pretty stable for the last year or so. Any
one
know what they are working on these days?
Ive been hoping for a GRT integration but have not seen it yet.
Mike
do not archive
Sam Buchanan
<sbuc@hiwaay.net>
Sent by:
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ver@matronics.com
cc
Subj
ect
12/10/2007 09:56 Re: RV-List: EZ-1 Alt. hold
AM
Please respond to
rv-list@matronics
.com
Bert Murillo wrote:
>
> Hi;
>
> Wopuld like to hear comments on the EZ-1 Altitude Hold, Installation
> easy of use etc...
>
> Versus the Altrac Unit, Prices are way up for both of course....
Bert, here are articles detailing my experiences with both devices:
http://thervjournal.com/altrak.htm
http://thervjournal.com/EZ-2.htm
Bottom line, they both work nicely. The EZ-1 has more capacity for bein
g
calibrated to your preferences and can be easily upgraded to an even
more feature-rich unit. The servos for each system are also very
different with the EZ servo being lighter and it also is more advanced
in the way it communicates with the control unit.
Installation is similar for both systems. You can download all the
manuals from each manufacturer's web site.
Sam Buchanan
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| Subject: | Re: Trio Customer Service |
Absolutely. I'd give up my EZ pilot before I gave up my altitude hold, for
comfortable x/c flying. Trio is first-rate. If/when they interface with
the GRT EFIS systems for full functionality (tru-trak is the favorite with
GRT for now) I'll be totally content (and perhaps finish my panel upgrade to
all-glass.)
-Stormy
On Dec 10, 2007 11:52 AM, Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net> wrote:
> I agree that they are very good. My EZ-Pilot allowed me to fly eight
> hours
> in one day recently with minimal fatigue other than a sore derrierre.
>
> Now I need to get the altitude hold to make long cross-countries even
> easier.
>
> Ron Lee
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com>
> *To:* rv-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Monday, December 10, 2007 8:41 AM
> *Subject:* RV-List: Trio Customer Service
>
> Hey all..quick note. Have an EZ Pilot in my RV-4. Put it in about a
> year +. It quit holding a course and would engage and disengage the servo.
> I called trio, they said, "another one is on the way". 2 Days later I had a
> new one. They said to ship the other back when I had the chance. I
> installed it, it was programmed already for my aircraft, and it worked
> perfectly. Absolutely wonderful customer service. Don't forget those guys
> when you are building your panel.
>
> Paul Besing
> RV-4 N73DD
>
>
> Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.
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| Subject: | Re: Off Topic: Hanger Lighting |
Get the T8 bulbs available at almost any major hardware with, I can't
remember exactly, but I think they're called bright or brilliant white.
20,000 hour lifetime, relatively cheap, don't buzz and instant on. Everyone
who's built a hanger since mine was built has installed these and are very
happy...and so am I.
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "David E. Nelson" <david.nelson@pobox.com>
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 9:25 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Off Topic: Hanger Lighting
>
>
> Hi Tim,
>
> Good point on temps. I do notice it takes a couple of minutes for them to
> warm up and brighten up. I've also observed that the same applies to the
> standard length units also but admittedly I've never compared the two.
>
> By the time I get the kerosene heater going and the garage warmed up in
> the cooler months, the lights are good to go.
>
> ? - Why wouldn't the 65 watt fluorescent units that you talk about below
> suffer from the same effects (or is it affects)?
>
> Regards,
> /\/elson
>
> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007, Tim Bryan wrote:
>
>>
>> If this is not a heated area I would not recommend using the 8'
>> fluorescents. They do not respond as well to colder weather as they
>> flicker. You can use 4' fixtures with light shields (ceiling height) but
>> there are better options. Lowes and Home Depot sell a 65 watt
>> fluorescent
>> area light that is round and has a parabolic type reflective lens. We
>> have
>> many hangars here at our airpark that uses these including mine. A new
>> hangar was just built and 9 of these were spaced out in there which
>> provides
>> excellent lighting in this hangar. The cost for these is around $44each.
>> We have some metal hangars that have very high ceilings and the same
>> light
>> were used but were mounted on a metal extension to get the light down to
>> about 10-12 feet off the floor.
>>
>> I am not an engineer and I didn't stay in a Holiday Inn Express last
>> night
>> but I did spend over 20 years installing lighting systems in both
>> residential and commercial applications. I used these lights in my
>> hangar
>> and they work well.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-
>>> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Nelson
>>> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 8:41 AM
>>> To: rv-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: RV-List: Off Topic: Hanger Lighting
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Michael,
>>>
>>> I can't speak about hangar lighting specifically, but I'll share my
>>> experiences
>>> w/ lighting the garage.
>>>
>>> I initially went with some dual florescenct bulb fixtures (40 watt, I
>>> believe)
>>> that hung from an 8' ceiling about one foot. Sadly, they just didn't
>>> quite put
>>> out the kind of light I was wanting. Especially if I was going to be
>>> working
>>> under them. And, admittedly, I was a little tight in the wallet when I
>>> purchased them.
>>>
>>> I eventually replaced the above units w/ some dual flourescent 8 foot,
>>> 96
>>> watt
>>> bulbs (F96T12 bulbs). The fixtures attached to the ceiling. At the
>>> time
>>> (~4
>>> yrs ago), the fixture and bulbs were about $50 per setup at Lowes.
>>> Also,
>>> the
>>> nice thing about the F96T12 bulbs is that you don't have
>>> insert-and-twist
>>> to
>>> install them. They use the spring loaded setup that works axially; so
>>> it's
>>> more of a stab-and-release operation.
>>>
>>> About a year ago I helped a friend replace some 2'x2' units in his
>>> office.
>>> The
>>> new units used some little skinny flourescent bulbs (~3/4 of the
>>> diameter
>>> of
>>> the traditional flourescent bulbs) that relied on electronics rather
>>> than
>>> ballasts to operate. When we 1st turned them on, we couldn't help but
>>> notice
>>> how bright they were. Don't know if they exist in the longer versions
>>> or
>>> not,
>>> but you might consider them.
>>>
>>> Also, since you're installing in a hangar (and with a high ceiling that
>>> is
>>> probably dark and does not reflect any light), I'd consider adding some
>>> kind of
>>> reflector that covers the top of the fixture to relect light back down
>>> where
>>> it's needed/wanted. No sense wasting light upwards.
>>>
>>> Good luck,
>>>
>>> /\/elson
>>> RV-7A - Fuse (getting close to the canopy work)
>>> Austin, TX
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007, Michael Kraus wrote:
>>>
>>> <n223rv@wolflakeairport.net>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am building a new hanger on my house and was looking for information
>>> on
>>>> what type of hanger lighting to install. The ceilings will be 16' tall
>>> and
>>>> it is 44' x 60'. I would like good work lighting throughout. Also, if
>>>> anyone knows of the light spacing it would help.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks -Mike Kraus RV-4 Flying RV-10 wiring
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Trio EZ-Pilot or Altitude Hold |
Bill, perhaps I misread your post. If I had to have only one of the
two,
I would pick the EZ-Pilot (wing leveler/follow GPS course). Besides
following a course perfectly, it adds the safety of a wing leveler IF I
ever
enter clouds, a 180 degree option if you enter clouds plus other
functions.
I can maintain altitude semi-well without an altitude hold and not
flying it
but an altitude hold with the EZ-Pilot (two axis control) would be
ideal.
Ron Lee
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Boyd
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Trio Customer Service
Absolutely. I'd give up my EZ pilot before I gave up my altitude
hold, for comfortable x/c flying. Trio is first-rate. If/when they
interface with the GRT EFIS systems for full functionality (tru-trak is
the favorite with GRT for now) I'll be totally content (and perhaps
finish my panel upgrade to all-glass.)
-Stormy
On Dec 10, 2007 11:52 AM, Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net> wrote:
I agree that they are very good. My EZ-Pilot allowed me to fly
eight hours
in one day recently with minimal fatigue other than a sore
derrierre.
Now I need to get the altitude hold to make long cross-countries
even easier.
Ron Lee
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Besing
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 8:41 AM
Subject: RV-List: Trio Customer Service
Hey all..quick note. Have an EZ Pilot in my RV-4. Put it in
about a year +. It quit holding a course and would engage and disengage
the servo. I called trio, they said, "another one is on the way". 2
Days later I had a new one. They said to ship the other back when I had
the chance. I installed it, it was programmed already for my aircraft,
and it worked perfectly. Absolutely wonderful customer service. Don't
forget those guys when you are building your panel.
Paul Besing
RV-4 N73DD
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| Subject: | Off Topic: Hanger Lighting |
The National Electrical Code (NEC) has covered airplane hangars for a long
time. More than 30 years that I know of. It covers all airplane hangars
but a common mistake is the whole hangar is not classified the same. All
wiring above a classified area must be in metal conduit however there is not
a specific restriction on the lighting unless it is in the classified area.
The area classification is premised on the fuel in the airplane and that any
leakage or drips allow the fumes to gather at the floor. Therefore
typically the classification is up to 18" above the floor and at the nose of
the airplane and around any fuel tanks. Just stay out of those areas and
you will be fine. If this job is getting inspected than you need to wire in
metal conduit. That can also include the bx type flexible conduit with
wires already included.
If you need more detail contact me off list.
Tim Bryan
ex. Electrical contractor and electrical inspector for State of Oregon.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dale Ensing
> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 9:59 AM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Off Topic: Hanger Lighting
>
>
> Mike,
> I see you have received quite a bit of info on hangar lighting. However,
> you
> should check with your county/city inspector about hangar lighting
> requirements before proceeding.
>
> When I built my hangar next to my home, in a private residential airpark,
> the county required me to put in special lighting fixtures that meet a
> national code.Did not make me happy but I had no choice. They would not
> give
> me a Certificate of Occupancy without the approved lighting. This may be
> especially true if you live in a residential area, such as an airpark,
> but
> they told me there is now a national code that covers all airplane
> hangars.
> A friend tried getting around the requirement by calling the building a
> storage building. But, when the inspector came out he saw the hangar door
> and the 'storage building' claim went down the drain.
> Good luck!
> Dale Ensing
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Kraus" <n223rv@wolflakeairport.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 8:01 AM
> Subject: RV-List: Off Topic: Hanger Lightingn
>
>
> <n223rv@wolflakeairport.net>
> >
> >
> >
> > I am building a new hanger on my house and was looking for information
> on
> > what type of hanger lighting to install. The ceilings will be 16' tall
> > and it is 44' x 60'. I would like good work lighting throughout. Also,
> > if anyone knows of the light spacing it would help.
> >
> > Thanks
> > -Mike Kraus
> > RV-4 Flying
> > RV-10 wiring
> >
> >
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Van's foil comm antenna |
Has anyone successfully used Van's copper foil comm antenna that mounts on the
windscreen...or anyone who would recommend NOT using it?
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| Subject: | Re: Trio EZ-Pilot or Altitude Hold |
Ron - from a safety standpoint, it is as you say, but for convenience, I
find that hand flying a GPS course line on cross country to be a piece of
cake compared to maintinaing a VFR cruise altitude when fumbling with
cockpit chores in my RV. Hence I would sooner give up the a/p function than
the convenience of altitude hold. Both work well and I'm very glad I have
them. I have not yet upgraded them over the most basic functionality.
On Dec 10, 2007 2:13 PM, Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net> wrote:
> Bill, perhaps I misread your post. If I had to have only one of the two,
> I would pick the EZ-Pilot (wing leveler/follow GPS course). Besides
> following a course perfectly, it adds the safety of a wing leveler IF I
> ever
> enter clouds, a 180 degree option if you enter clouds plus other
> functions.
>
> I can maintain altitude semi-well without an altitude hold and not flying
> it
> but an altitude hold with the EZ-Pilot (two axis control) would be ideal.
>
> Ron Lee
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Bill Boyd <sportav8r@gmail.com>
> *To:* rv-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Monday, December 10, 2007 10:48 AM
> *Subject:* Re: RV-List: Trio Customer Service
>
> Absolutely. I'd give up my EZ pilot before I gave up my altitude hold,
> for comfortable x/c flying. Trio is first-rate. If/when they interface
> with the GRT EFIS systems for full functionality (tru-trak is the favorite
> with GRT for now) I'll be totally content (and perhaps finish my panel
> upgrade to all-glass.)
>
> -Stormy
>
> On Dec 10, 2007 11:52 AM, Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net> wrote:
>
> > I agree that they are very good. My EZ-Pilot allowed me to fly eight
> > hours
> > in one day recently with minimal fatigue other than a sore derrierre.
> >
> > Now I need to get the altitude hold to make long cross-countries even
> > easier.
> >
> > Ron Lee
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > *From:* Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com>
> > *To:* rv-list@matronics.com
> > *Sent:* Monday, December 10, 2007 8:41 AM
> > *Subject:* RV-List: Trio Customer Service
> >
> > Hey all..quick note. Have an EZ Pilot in my RV-4. Put it in about a
> > year +. It quit holding a course and would engage and disengage the servo.
> > I called trio, they said, "another one is on the way". 2 Days later I had
a
> > new one. They said to ship the other back when I had the chance. I
> > installed it, it was programmed already for my aircraft, and it worked
> > perfectly. Absolutely wonderful customer service. Don't forget those guys
> > when you are building your panel.
> >
> > Paul Besing
> > RV-4 N73DD
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Off Topic: Hanger Lighting |
Mike,
http://www.businesslights.com/high-bay-metal-halide-fixtures-c-277_477.html
We used this type of light in our hangar and they work good. We have an
insulated hangar with a white medal ceiling, I'm not sure what size of light
but they were installed for about $300.00 per/light at the time. They are
very costly compared with other lights, however, they have all worked good
over the past 4 years in our 70'x70' hangar. We are located in Minnesota.
I hope some day we get the floor painted.
They do come up slow but once they are on they are bright.
Jim
RV9a builder
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Kraus" <n223rv@wolflakeairport.net>
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 7:01 AM
Subject: RV-List: Off Topic: Hanger Lighting
>
>
> I am building a new hanger on my house and was looking for information on
> what type of hanger lighting to install. The ceilings will be 16' tall
> and it is 44' x 60'. I would like good work lighting throughout. Also,
> if anyone knows of the light spacing it would help.
>
> Thanks
> -Mike Kraus
> RV-4 Flying
> RV-10 wiring
>
>
> --
> 12/9/2007 11:06 AM
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Off Topic: Hanger Lighting |
I just read through all the replies to this post and
being an electrician, here is my .02.
I would not mount the fixtures at 16 feet. The light
amount does disperse geometrically. Use fixture chain
and lower the fixtures to 12 inches above the rudder
or highest point of the aircraft. Consider that you
will have to change the lamps sooner or later. If
unheated, use cold weather ballasts. Reflectors make
a big difference unless you like lighting the ceiling.
If you will be doing a lot of maintenance, consider
mounting a row of lights on each side of the hangar
walls horizontally at about 4 feet from the floor. All
the light in the world shining down will not light up
the area under the wings or cockpit (as in a
Cessna172). A floor paint will help with reflectivity
but it is more for easy clean up as in an oil spill,
which I have never done. :D
I reiterated a lot of comments here, just reaffirming
what has been said.
Dave
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>
>
>
> I am building a new hanger on my house and was
> looking for information on what type of hanger
> lighting to install. The ceilings will be 16' tall
> and it is 44' x 60'. I would like good work
> lighting throughout. Also, if anyone knows of the
> light spacing it would help.
>
> Thanks
> -Mike Kraus
> RV-4 Flying
> RV-10 wiring
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| Subject: | Off Topic: Hanger Lighting |
>
> ? - Why wouldn't the 65 watt fluorescent units that you talk about below
> suffer
> from the same effects (or is it affects)?
>
> Regards,
> /\/elson
>
[Tim] They still get brighter as they warm up but they don't flicker like
the 8 foot fluorescents do. 4 foot fluorescents don't really flicker to
bad, but these lights use a lens that helps get the light down. They say
they are equivalent to a 500 watt but it is only 65 watts of power.
I like them except for they are hard to mount on a flat ceiling.
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Mike,
I agree with what Mike Humphrey said. I have a 26' x 32' detached garage that
I use solely to build my -8 with. It has a 10' ceiling and the interior is all
painted white. I have (9) 8' dual bulb T-12 fixtures and it is ample lighting.
I have no problems at all with the lights coming on all the way down into
the 20's F. However, I have had to replace one ballast at a cost of $43 after
only 2 1/2 years though. I would still do the same thing again...
I know a guy who works for a large tire manufacturer. He said his company paid
a lighting consultant come in and come up with ideas to lower their lighting
expenses. He said the guy came in and walked all through the plant looking at
the facility. In the end, he asked what the highest level was that their tallest
forklift would reach. They gave him their answer, (I don't recall what it
was) and his solution was to lower all the fixtures to within 2' of the tallest
forklift reach, then turn off half their lights...
Bill Settle
-8 Wings (Still)
Winston-Salem, NC
----------- Original message from "mike humphrey" <mike109g6@insideconnect.net>:
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>
> Mike,
> In my hanger I have the T-12 cold weather 8' units. Great lighting, work in
> cold fine, easy to replace, just started replacing bulbs after 3 1/2 years
> continual use, pricey but great lighting. Lowe's carries the 8' fixture and
> bulbs(green ends and they just push in, no twisting). In my work areas I
> have added specific lighting to the situation. Bandsaw, lathe, drill press
> (dangerous areas) have separate lighting on switches. I would not hang any
> lighting on the 16' ceiling though. Lighting disperses geometrically. So
> whatever lighting that you choose, suspend it from some cheap chain and
> lower it to about 2-3 feet above your highest point on the floor, ie tail of
> plane. Reflectors are cheaper than lighting units and you will save
> electricity which equals $. More $ to spend on RV's. Remember, whatever
> lighting that you put in, you will not want to replace anytime soon, if
> ever, by lowering your units, maintenance will be easier also, unless you
> just happen to have a 16' step ladder.
> Mike H
> 9A/8A
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Kraus"
> To:
> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 8:01 AM
> Subject: RV-List: Off Topic: Hanger Lighting
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> > I am building a new hanger on my house and was looking for information on
> > what type of hanger lighting to install. The ceilings will be 16' tall
> > and it is 44' x 60'. I would like good work lighting throughout. Also,
> > if anyone knows of the light spacing it would help.
> >
> > Thanks
> > -Mike Kraus
> > RV-4 Flying
> > RV-10 wiring
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<P>Mike,</P>
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<P>I agree with what Mike Humphrey said. I have a 26' x 32' detached garage
that I use solely to build my -8 with. It has a 10' ceiling and the interior
is all painted white. I have (9) 8' dual bulb T-12 fixtures
and it is ample lighting. I have no problems at all with the lights coming
on all the way down into the 20's F. However, I have had to replace
one ballast at a cost of $43 after only 2 1/2 years though. I would
still do the same thing again...</P>
<P> </P>
<P>I know a guy who works for a large tire manufacturer. He said his company
paid a lighting consultant come in and come up with ideas to lower their
lighting expenses. He said the guy came in and walked all through
the plant looking at the facility. In the end, he asked what the highest
level was that their tallest forklift would reach. They gave him their
answer, (I don't recall what it was) and his solution was to lower all
the fixtures to within 2' of the tallest forklift reach, then turn off half their
lights...</P>
<P> </P>
<P>Bill Settle</P>
<P>-8 Wings (Still)</P>
<P>Winston-Salem, NC</P>
<P> </P>
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<P>----------- Original message from "mike humphrey" <mike109g6@insideconnect.net>:
-------------- <BR><BR><BR>> --> RV-List message posted by: "mike
humphrey" <MIKE109G6@INSIDECONNECT.NET><BR>> <BR>> Mike, <BR>> In
my hanger I have the T-12 cold weather 8' units. Great lighting, work in <BR>>
cold fine, easy to replace, just started replacing bulbs after 3 1/2 years
<BR>> continual use, pricey but great lighting. Lowe's carries the 8' fixture
and <BR>> bulbs(green ends and they just push in, no twisting). In my
work areas I <BR>> have added specific lighting to the situation. Bandsaw,
lathe, drill press <BR>> (dangerous areas) have separate lighting on switches.
I would not hang any <BR>> lighting on the 16' ceiling though. Lighting
disperses geometrically. So <BR>> whatever lighting that you choose, suspend
it from some cheap chain and <BR>> lower it to about 2-3 feet above your
highest point on the floor, ie tail of <BR>> pla
ne. Re
flectors are cheaper than lighting units and you will save <BR>> electricity
which equals $. More $ to spend on RV's. Remember, whatever <BR>> lighting
that you put in, you will not want to replace anytime soon, if <BR>> ever,
by lowering your units, maintenance will be easier also, unless you <BR>>
just happen to have a 16' step ladder. <BR>> Mike H <BR>> 9A/8A <BR>>
----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: "Michael Kraus" <N223RV@WOLFLAKEAIRPORT.NET><BR>>
To: <RV-LIST@MATRONICS.COM><BR>> Sent: Monday, December
10, 2007 8:01 AM <BR>> Subject: RV-List: Off Topic: Hanger Lighting <BR>>
<BR>> <BR>> > --> RV-List message posted by: Michael Kraus <N223RV@WOLFLAKEAIRPORT.NET><BR>>
> <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> >
I am building a new hanger on my house and was looking for information on <BR>>
> what type of hanger lighting to install. The ceilings will be 16'
tall <BR>> > and it is 44' x 60'. I would like
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| Subject: | Re: Van's foil comm antenna |
I just tested mine today - works as advertised....gonna have it tuned by
a bunch of ham guys in the spring.....
----- Original Message -----
From: Lincoln Keill
To: RV-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 2:33 PM
Subject: RV-List: Van's foil comm antenna
Has anyone successfully used Van's copper foil comm antenna that
mounts on the windscreen...or anyone who would recommend NOT using it?
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| Subject: | Wheel Pants fairings |
Hi:
I asked this before, but I did not get complete info.
After seeing the prices on Van's, Over $200 and a fellow builder more
than $300.... It is for us to steep....
Does any one knows, of any one else, that make these fairings, at
a reasonable price?
I saw a name Tracy Saylor somewhere, but when I called the no. shown
it was for a consuting Co. or something like that..
Thanks for any information...
bert
rv6a
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel Pants fairings |
try these guys
http://www.fairings-etc.com/
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bert Murillo" <bertrv6@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 6:18 PM
Subject: RV-List: Wheel Pants fairings
>
> Hi:
>
> I asked this before, but I did not get complete info.
>
> After seeing the prices on Van's, Over $200 and a fellow builder more
> than $300.... It is for us to steep....
>
> Does any one knows, of any one else, that make these fairings, at
> a reasonable price?
>
> I saw a name Tracy Saylor somewhere, but when I called the no. shown
> it was for a consuting Co. or something like that..
>
>
> Thanks for any information...
>
> bert
>
> rv6a
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> Do not archive...
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Bert Murillo" <bertrv6@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 6:18 PM
Subject: RV-List: Wheel Pants fairings
>
> Hi:
>
> I asked this before, but I did not get complete info.
>
> After seeing the prices on Van's, Over $200 and a fellow builder more
> than $300.... It is for us to steep....
>
> Does any one knows, of any one else, that make these fairings, at
> a reasonable price?
>
> I saw a name Tracy Saylor somewhere, but when I called the no. shown
> it was for a consuting Co. or something like that..
I know that Tracy Saylor and most of the other "fast" RV's used Sam James
wheelpants, which were essentially the same price as Van's offering, but
didn't include the mounting hardware that Van's supplies with theirs.
>
>
> Thanks for any information...
>
> bert
>
> rv6a
>
> Do not archive...
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| Subject: | Trio EZ-Pilot or Altitude Hold |
This thread is interesting to me. I'd not considered the Trio. TT seemed
to be the leader and well liked. Now I see that many seem satisfied with
the Trio. Why is it if their units are so good (and the pricing seems okay)
and their support very good, that they are not being supported by GRT? Why
is it they are not commanding the popular numbers of TT? Do they lack
product depth? Is their need for a separate knob and bezel for the altitude
hold unit a drawback? Is it lack of GPSS steering? Maybe they are just as
popular as TT? What's the deal?
John Jessen
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[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Boyd
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Trio EZ-Pilot or Altitude Hold
Ron - from a safety standpoint, it is as you say, but for convenience, I
find that hand flying a GPS course line on cross country to be a piece of
cake compared to maintinaing a VFR cruise altitude when fumbling with
cockpit chores in my RV. Hence I would sooner give up the a/p function than
the convenience of altitude hold. Both work well and I'm very glad I have
them. I have not yet upgraded them over the most basic functionality.
On Dec 10, 2007 2:13 PM, Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net> wrote:
Bill, perhaps I misread your post. If I had to have only one of the two,
I would pick the EZ-Pilot (wing leveler/follow GPS course). Besides
following a course perfectly, it adds the safety of a wing leveler IF I ever
enter clouds, a 180 degree option if you enter clouds plus other functions.
I can maintain altitude semi-well without an altitude hold and not flying it
but an altitude hold with the EZ-Pilot (two axis control) would be ideal.
Ron Lee
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From: Bill Boyd <mailto:sportav8r@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Trio Customer Service
Absolutely. I'd give up my EZ pilot before I gave up my altitude hold, for
comfortable x/c flying. Trio is first-rate. If/when they interface with
the GRT EFIS systems for full functionality (tru-trak is the favorite with
GRT for now) I'll be totally content (and perhaps finish my panel upgrade to
all-glass.)
-Stormy
On Dec 10, 2007 11:52 AM, Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net> wrote:
I agree that they are very good. My EZ-Pilot allowed me to fly eight hours
in one day recently with minimal fatigue other than a sore derrierre.
Now I need to get the altitude hold to make long cross-countries even
easier.
Ron Lee
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Besing <mailto:pbesing@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 8:41 AM
Subject: RV-List: Trio Customer Service
Hey all..quick note. Have an EZ Pilot in my RV-4. Put it in about a year
+. It quit holding a course and would engage and disengage the servo. I
called trio, they said, "another one is on the way". 2 Days later I had a
new one. They said to ship the other back when I had the chance. I
installed it, it was programmed already for my aircraft, and it worked
perfectly. Absolutely wonderful customer service. Don't forget those guys
when you are building your panel.
Paul Besing
RV-4 N73DD
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| Subject: | Van's foil comm antenna |
I've been using one for 11 years. It's cheap, simple, no-drag, and it
works. I get plenty of range, and good radio quality. It's got some nicks
and scratches on it from people grabbing the center bar, yet no problems.
Heck, maybe I'll replace it someday.
Ed Bundy
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[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Lincoln Keill
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 12:34 PM
To: RV-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV-List: Van's foil comm antenna
Has anyone successfully used Van's copper foil comm antenna that mounts on
the windscreen...or anyone who would recommend NOT using it?
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| Subject: | Re: Trio EZ-Pilot or Altitude Hold |
I don't have answers to all the questions raised in this post but I'll
take a stab at some of them.
John Jessen wrote:
> This thread is interesting to me. I'd not considered the Trio. TT seemed
> to be the leader and well liked.
I suspect TruTrak is the market leader in volume of units in the field
because they have been in the experimental autopilot market longer than
anyone except Navaid. They make good products and their market share is
deserved.
I know the individuals at Trio and their high level of business ethics
prevented them from releasing their EZ-Pilot until it was ready for
prime time. It was tough for the Trio guys to sit on their baby during
development as TT gained market share, but they were determined to
release no units before their time.
Now I see that many seem satisfied with
> the Trio. Why is it if their units are so good (and the pricing seems okay)
> and their support very good, that they are not being supported by GRT?
I don't have personal background in this particular instance since I
don't use GRT equipment. I can tell you that "supporting" a particular
autopilot is not necessarily a simple endeavor. It is particularly
difficult for the Trio guys because they designed their unit to be
compatible with only data that strictly follows standard NMEA protocol.
The software designer at Trio has a ballistic missile guidance
background and he is *very picky* :-) about having his unit only track
pristine data. There have been vendors (not GRT) that have not been able
to support the EZ-Pilot because their hardware didn't send standard NMEA
AnywhereMap's PDA-based system being a prime example).
I suspect the reason GRT has supported TT is due more to marketing and
personal reasons than hardware issues. Maybe they wanted to piggyback
the company with the largest market share.
Why
> is it they are not commanding the popular numbers of TT?
Less time in the market, fewer ad $$$$$$'s spent, a much smaller product
line, which no doubt has resulted in less market inertia.
Do they lack
> product depth?
Guess that depends on your point of view and what you want your
autopilot system to do.
Is their need for a separate knob and bezel for the altitude
> hold unit a drawback?
I don't think so. Trio's interface allows the system to offer a huge
feature set with only a "separate knob and bezel". :-)
> Is it lack of GPSS steering?
That is a perceived difference but there is much more to the GPSS
steering issue than meets the uneducated eye. I won't delve into that,
just to say that for most of us "GPSS" is vastly overrated, and is not
unique in an operational sense to TT.
Maybe they are just as
> popular as TT?
Yes, with their customers they are avidly endorsed.
What's the deal?
Don't know what else I can add beyond what has already been presented in
this thread. It is great to have two wonderful vendors of fantastic
equipment. Do your homework and chose what is best for your mission profile.
Sam Buchanan
http://thervjournal.com
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| Subject: | Trio EZ-Pilot or Altitude Hold |
I'm not flying yet, so you can take my comments for what they are worth.
The feature set and price were consideration, but servo design was the
primary selling factor for the Trio. I design aerospace hardware for a
living and know that things can and do go wrong. In my opinion, the Trio
Servo is the most failsafe servo out there. When the system is powered down
(by a real mechanical switch in the control head), the servo is physically
disengaged from the control arm. This means that when the system is powered
down you're not moving the servo every time you move the stick (maintain
control feel). Since the gears between the servo and control arm are held
together by an electric solenoid, if you cut power to the system, it
disengages. Period. On top of that, there's an adjustable slip clutch
instead of a shear pin between the linkage and the servo. This means that
if you have to overpower the system, you don't damage the servo.
To summarize, despite the popularity and obvious quality of TT I decided
Trio had more features for less money. The redundant safety systems in the
servo cause me to write the check.
Kind Regards,
Guy
This thread is interesting to me. I'd not considered the Trio. TT seemed
to be the leader and well liked. Now I see that many seem satisfied with
the Trio. Why is it if their units are so good (and the pricing seems okay)
and their support very good, that they are not being supported by GRT? Why
is it they are not commanding the popular numbers of TT? Do they lack
product depth? Is their need for a separate knob and bezel for the altitude
hold unit a drawback? Is it lack of GPSS steering? Maybe they are just as
popular as TT? What's the deal?
John Jessen
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| Subject: | Off Topic: Hanger Lighting |
Brian
I'd avoid this route as this is exactly what I've done. the color from the
cheap mercvapor lighting is an awful yellow that distorts all color
perception. although the light was bright enough, i actually got headaches
from the poor light color after long periods of exposure. i haven't changed
them out yet, but i have lined the perimeter of the hangar with 4ft
fluorescent fixtures and it has made a huge difference. perhaps the best
lighting solution is a marriage of different technologies.
of coarse your mileage may vary...
steve dinieri
Iflyrv10.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Meyette
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 10:13 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Off Topic: Hanger Lighting
What was suggested to me as the cheapest and simplest way to get good
lighting is to use those mercury vapor yard lights. You can just tape over
the light sensor, or I rewired mine around the sensor. Lots of light, they
only cost about $25 each, and they are not sensitive to cold as fluorescents
are.
brian
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Kraus
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 8:02 AM
Subject: RV-List: Off Topic: Hanger Lighting
--> <n223rv@wolflakeairport.net>
I am building a new hanger on my house and was looking for information on
what type of hanger lighting to install. The ceilings will be 16' tall and
it is 44' x 60'. I would like good work lighting throughout. Also, if
anyone knows of the light spacing it would help.
Thanks
-Mike Kraus
RV-4 Flying
RV-10 wiring
11:06 AM
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