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1. 05:13 AM - Re: Trio EZ-Pilot or Altitude Hold (Marty Helller)
2. 06:33 AM - Re: Trio EZ-Pilot or Altitude Hold (Michael W Stewart)
3. 06:33 AM - Re: Trio EZ-Pilot or Altitude Hold (Sam Buchanan)
4. 07:09 AM - Public vs Private use airpark - I know a little off topic (Tim Bryan)
5. 08:33 AM - Re: Public vs Private use airpark - I know a little off topic (Jim Fogarty at Lakes & Leisure Realty)
6. 08:34 AM - Re: Public vs Private use airpark - I know a little off topic (Ron Lee)
7. 08:36 AM - Re: Trio EZ-Pilot or Altitude Hold (Ron Lee)
8. 08:44 AM - TRIO AUTOPILOT (Bruno)
9. 09:05 AM - Cost of Paint Job (Shemp)
10. 09:05 AM - Re: Public vs Private use airpark - I know a little off topic (Tim Bryan)
11. 09:05 AM - Re: Trio EZ-Pilot or Altitude Hold (Shemp)
12. 09:07 AM - Re: Off Topic: Hanger Lighting (Shemp)
13. 09:24 AM - Re: Public vs Private use airpark - I know a little off topic (Brian Kraut)
14. 09:27 AM - Re: Public vs Private use airpark - I know a little off topic (Marty Helller)
15. 09:37 AM - Re: Trio EZ-Pilot or Altitude Hold (Dale Walter)
16. 10:03 AM - Re: Cost of Paint Job (Andy Gold)
17. 10:04 AM - Re: Cost of Paint Job (Chuck Jensen)
18. 10:25 AM - Re: TRIO AUTOPILOT (Michael W Stewart)
19. 10:33 AM - Re: Cost of Paint Job (John Jessen)
20. 10:34 AM - Re: Cost of Paint Job (Sam Buchanan)
21. 10:38 AM - Re: TRIO AUTOPILOT (Sam Buchanan)
22. 11:10 AM - Re: Cost of Paint Job (Richard McBride)
23. 11:33 AM - Re: Cost of Paint Job (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
24. 12:34 PM - Re: Public vs Private use airpark - I know a little off topic (Bob J.)
25. 12:41 PM - Re: Cost of Paint Job (Bob)
26. 02:42 PM - Re: : TRIO AUTOPILOT & Anywhere Map/iPaq? (Knicholas2@aol.com)
27. 02:44 PM - Re: Cost of Paint Job (Steven DiNieri)
28. 03:05 PM - Re: Cost of Paint Job (Scott)
29. 03:14 PM - Re: Cost of Paint Job (Doug Medema)
30. 03:47 PM - Re: Re: Cost of Paint Job (Russell Lassetter)
31. 03:47 PM - Re: Re: Cost of Paint Job (David Burton)
32. 03:55 PM - Re: Re: : TRIO AUTOPILOT & Anywhere Map/iPaq? (Sam Buchanan)
33. 04:04 PM - Re: TRIO AUTOPILOT (Paul Besing)
34. 04:39 PM - Re: Re: : TRIO AUTOPILOT & Anywhere Map/iPaq? (Sam Buchanan)
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| Subject: | Trio EZ-Pilot or Altitude Hold |
Doesn't TRIOs have a offset feature that allows the pilot to chose by 1/10t
h of a mile how far right of center line (up to 2 miles) the autopilot will
track?
Last year, I heard at an FAA safety conference about a program call SLOP;
stategic lateral offset procedure.... basically you either fly on center li
ne, 1 mile right or 2 miles right....
Helps avoid this type of airborne Russian roulette....
Marty Heller
RV-7 (fitting interior systems)
From: bobperk90658@bellsouth.netTo: rv-list@matronics.comSubject: Re: RV-Li
st: Trio EZ-Pilot or Altitude HoldDate: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 05:46:08 +0000
Sam,
You know that the accuracy of the GPS coupled to the autopilot is probably
what caused the Brazilian GOL 737, and the Embraer Legacy 600 Collision in
October 06 both were at 37,000 feet and on opposing courses between Brasili
a and Manause, both probably used the airport coordinates in a common data
base. There are probably not more than 75 airplanes in the air in northern
Brasil at one time. Sometimes being accurate down to the micron is not go
od, and being able to fly an offset course is good. The Trio will do that
easily all day long. Just a thought. Trying to justify being a sloppy pil
ot }:> )
Bob Perkinson
I still marvel at how a sub-$2000 autopilot can hold my plane within a win
gspan of the course line with an inexpensive handheld GPS providing the dat
a! How many King Airs and Citations can match that? :-) Sam Buchanan
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| Subject: | Re: Trio EZ-Pilot or Altitude Hold |
bobperk90658@bellsouth.net wrote:
>
> Sam, You know that the accuracy of the GPS coupled to the autopilot
> is probably what caused the Brazilian GOL 737, and the Embraer Legacy
> 600 Collision in October 06 both were at 37,000 feet and on opposing
> courses between Brasilia and Manause, both probably used the airport
> coordinates in a common data base. There are probably not more than
> 75 airplanes in the air in northern Brasil at one time. Sometimes
> being accurate down to the micron is not good, and being able to fly
> an offset course is good. The Trio will do that easily all day long.
> Just a thought. Trying to justify being a sloppy pilot }:>)
You're right Bob, the guys at Trio recognize that "accurate" sometimes
may not be the most comfortable way to navigate. The offset feature does
work very nicely even though I hardly ever use it since I'm usually
flying "direct" VFR. I have used the offset feature a few times when I
saw my direct route was going to take me over a power plant.
Another neat feature is the one-button automatic 180 turn. Fortunately I
have *never* found the need to use it. :-)
Sam Buchanan
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| Subject: | Public vs Private use airpark - I know a little off topic |
I know this is a little off topic, but there is so many great opinions on
this list. What would be advantages of a private airpark changing the
airport to public use? Some have perceived a better protection of the
airspace around us. Any thoughts?
Thanks
Tim
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Public vs Private use airpark - I know a little off topic |
A Public Airport will bring more Commerce to your area community and that
means more planes, more refueling, more money for local restaurants, and
more cash for all the business people in the area. If I see a private
airport along my route, I would not land without permission from a member of
that airport, if I land at a public airport I spend dollars in that
community and it usually starts out with fuel for the plane and me.
I live at Breezy Point, MN and we have a private field outside the gates to
the Breezy Point Resort, we have 3 golf courses and a 8000 acre lake with
crystal clear water within three blocks of the airport. If the members of
that field could get the FAA to change it to public it would help our area
with real $$$$$.
I think the real question is will the FAA accept your airpark?
Jim
RV9a
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Bryan" <n616tb@btsapps.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 9:07 AM
Subject: RV-List: Public vs Private use airpark - I know a little off topic
>
>
> I know this is a little off topic, but there is so many great opinions on
> this list. What would be advantages of a private airpark changing the
> airport to public use? Some have perceived a better protection of the
> airspace around us. Any thoughts?
> Thanks
> Tim
> Do Not Archive
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>
> --
> 12/13/2007 9:15 AM
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Public vs Private use airpark - I know a little off topic |
Federal/state funding?
Ron Lee
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Bryan" <n616tb@btsapps.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 8:07 AM
Subject: RV-List: Public vs Private use airpark - I know a little off topic
>
>
> I know this is a little off topic, but there is so many great opinions on
> this list. What would be advantages of a private airpark changing the
> airport to public use? Some have perceived a better protection of the
> airspace around us. Any thoughts?
> Thanks
> Tim
> Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Trio EZ-Pilot or Altitude Hold |
At the altitudes I fly there is very little traffic. I use flight following
and I have been alerted to jets far more than GA aircraft.
Ron Lee
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Hello Sam
Did you required a special cable to hook up your handheld
GPS to your TRIO?
I have a Garmin 295 that I could use for this purpose or the GPS built in my BMA
Efis Lite G3.
Cheers
Bruno
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Time: 09:47:23 PM PST US
From: bobperk90658@bellsouth.net
Subject: Re: RV-List: Trio EZ-Pilot or Altitude Hold
Sam,
You know that the accuracy of the GPS coupled to the autopilot is probably what
caused the Brazilian GOL 737, and the Embraer Legacy 600 Collision in October
06 both were at 37,000 feet and on opposing courses between Brasilia and Manause,
both probably used the airport coordinates in a common data base. There
are probably not more than 75 airplanes in the air in northern Brasil at one time.
Sometimes being accurate down to the micron is not good, and being able
to fly an offset course is good. The Trio will do that easily all day long.
Just a thought. Trying to justify being a sloppy pilot }:>)
Bob Perkinson
I still marvel at how a sub-$2000 autopilot can hold my plane within a
wingspan of the course line with an inexpensive handheld GPS providing
the data! How many King Airs and Citations can match that? :-)
Sam Buchanan
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| Subject: | Cost of Paint Job |
I'm shopping around for a paint job and am getting sticker shock. The
only "local" shop around Chicago told me his last RV paint job was
$7200. I thought they typically cost around 5000. I've spent a lot of
time on my glass stuff and its pretty much ready to paint. Anyone have
a cost of a good relatively simple 2 color paint job that didnt require
a lot of work by the painters?
Shemp
300+
6a
Chicago
mike humphrey wrote:
> <mike109g6@insideconnect.net>
>
> Mike,
> In my hanger I have the T-12 cold weather 8' units. Great lighting,
> work in cold fine, easy to replace, just started replacing bulbs after
> 3 1/2 years continual use, pricey but great lighting. Lowe's carries
> the 8' fixture and bulbs(green ends and they just push in, no
> twisting). In my work areas I have added specific lighting to the
> situation. Bandsaw, lathe, drill press (dangerous areas) have
> separate lighting on switches. I would not hang any lighting on the
> 16' ceiling though. Lighting disperses geometrically. So whatever
> lighting that you choose, suspend it from some cheap chain and lower
> it to about 2-3 feet above your highest point on the floor, ie tail of
> plane. Reflectors are cheaper than lighting units and you will save
> electricity which equals $. More $ to spend on RV's. Remember,
> whatever lighting that you put in, you will not want to replace
> anytime soon, if ever, by lowering your units, maintenance will be
> easier also, unless you just happen to have a 16' step ladder.
> Mike H
> 9A/8A
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Kraus"
> <n223rv@wolflakeairport.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 8:01 AM
> Subject: RV-List: Off Topic: Hanger Lighting
>
>
>> <n223rv@wolflakeairport.net>
>>
>>
>>
>> I am building a new hanger on my house and was looking for
>> information on what type of hanger lighting to install. The ceilings
>> will be 16' tall and it is 44' x 60'. I would like good work
>> lighting throughout. Also, if anyone knows of the light spacing it
>> would help.
>>
>> Thanks
>> -Mike Kraus
>> RV-4 Flying
>> RV-10 wiring
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Public vs Private use airpark - I know a little off topic |
Thanks Jim,
I probably didn't give enough info here. Our airpark does not have any
commercial operations and will not ever have. We also do not have fuel.
What we were looking at was the ability to better protect our airspace from
a neighbor putting up a tower. It also might mean access to federal money
although I am not sure how or why we would be able to utilize that. I am
not sure of the downsides and that would be my question.
I did read that with a private owned but public use it can be used without
asking for permission first. There is an opportunity to set the policy or
rules so I guess you could also publish that it cannot be used for training
such as an outside instructor coming over with a student and doing touch and
go landings all day. That would be a definite downside to the owners here.
Is there anything else that might be detrimental or beneficial?
Thanks
Tim
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Fogarty at Lakes & Leisure Realty
> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:28 AM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Public vs Private use airpark - I know a little off
> topic
>
> <jfogarty@tds.net>
>
> A Public Airport will bring more Commerce to your area community and that
> means more planes, more refueling, more money for local restaurants, and
> more cash for all the business people in the area. If I see a private
> airport along my route, I would not land without permission from a member
> of
> that airport, if I land at a public airport I spend dollars in that
> community and it usually starts out with fuel for the plane and me.
>
> I live at Breezy Point, MN and we have a private field outside the gates
> to
> the Breezy Point Resort, we have 3 golf courses and a 8000 acre lake with
> crystal clear water within three blocks of the airport. If the members of
> that field could get the FAA to change it to public it would help our area
> with real $$$$$.
>
> I think the real question is will the FAA accept your airpark?
>
> Jim
> RV9a
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Bryan" <n616tb@btsapps.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 9:07 AM
> Subject: RV-List: Public vs Private use airpark - I know a little off
> topic
>
>
> >
> >
> > I know this is a little off topic, but there is so many great opinions
> on
> > this list. What would be advantages of a private airpark changing the
> > airport to public use? Some have perceived a better protection of the
> > airspace around us. Any thoughts?
> > Thanks
> > Tim
> > Do Not Archive
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > 12/13/2007 9:15 AM
> >
> >
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Trio EZ-Pilot or Altitude Hold |
Ditto.
Alt hold is WAY more helpful than course follower. Plus, if you're
flying ifr, you're allowed 5 miles off course but only 300 feet off
altitude.
However, having both these days is a no brainer.
do not archive
shemp
Bill Boyd wrote:
> Ron - from a safety standpoint, it is as you say, but for convenience,
> I find that hand flying a GPS course line on cross country to be a
> piece of cake compared to maintinaing a VFR cruise altitude when
> fumbling with cockpit chores in my RV. Hence I would sooner give up
> the a/p function than the convenience of altitude hold. Both work
> well and I'm very glad I have them. I have not yet upgraded them over
> the most basic functionality.
>
> On Dec 10, 2007 2:13 PM, Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net
> <mailto:ronlee@pcisys.net>> wrote:
>
> Bill, perhaps I misread your post. If I had to have only one of
> the two,
> I would pick the EZ-Pilot (wing leveler/follow GPS course). Besides
> following a course perfectly, it adds the safety of a wing leveler
> IF I ever
> enter clouds, a 180 degree option if you enter clouds plus other
> functions.
>
> I can maintain altitude semi-well without an altitude hold and not
> flying it
> but an altitude hold with the EZ-Pilot (two axis control) would be
> ideal.
>
> Ron Lee
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Bill Boyd <mailto:sportav8r@gmail.com>
> *To:* rv-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, December 10, 2007 10:48 AM
> *Subject:* Re: RV-List: Trio Customer Service
>
> Absolutely. I'd give up my EZ pilot before I gave up my
> altitude hold, for comfortable x/c flying. Trio is
> first-rate. If/when they interface with the GRT EFIS systems
> for full functionality (tru-trak is the favorite with GRT for
> now) I'll be totally content (and perhaps finish my panel
> upgrade to all-glass.)
>
> -Stormy
>
> On Dec 10, 2007 11:52 AM, Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net
> <mailto:ronlee@pcisys.net>> wrote:
>
> I agree that they are very good. My EZ-Pilot allowed me
> to fly eight hours
> in one day recently with minimal fatigue other than a sore
> derrierre.
>
> Now I need to get the altitude hold to make long
> cross-countries even easier.
>
> Ron Lee
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Paul Besing <mailto:pbesing@yahoo.com>
> *To:* rv-list@matronics.com
> <mailto:rv-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, December 10, 2007 8:41 AM
> *Subject:* RV-List: Trio Customer Service
>
> Hey all..quick note. Have an EZ Pilot in my RV-4.
> Put it in about a year +. It quit holding a course
> and would engage and disengage the servo. I called
> trio, they said, "another one is on the way". 2 Days
> later I had a new one. They said to ship the other
> back when I had the chance. I installed it, it was
> programmed already for my aircraft, and it worked
> perfectly. Absolutely wonderful customer service.
> Don't forget those guys when you are building your panel.
>
> Paul Besing
> RV-4 N73DD
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Off Topic: Hanger Lighting |
Has anyone mentioned the Sodium vapor lights? I have them in my hangar
and love em. They take a while to warm up but offer great light in a
large space.
Shemp
Tim Bryan wrote:
>
>
>
>> ? - Why wouldn't the 65 watt fluorescent units that you talk about below
>> suffer
>> from the same effects (or is it affects)?
>>
>> Regards,
>> /\/elson
>>
>>
>
> [Tim] They still get brighter as they warm up but they don't flicker like
> the 8 foot fluorescents do. 4 foot fluorescents don't really flicker to
> bad, but these lights use a lens that helps get the light down. They say
> they are equivalent to a 500 watt but it is only 65 watts of power.
>
> I like them except for they are hard to mount on a flat ceiling.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Public vs Private use airpark - I know a little off topic |
One obvious thing you need to consider if you go public is the insurance and
liability issues. I would imagine that going public would greatly increase
the insurance costs if the airpark has insurance and will also increase your
exposure to liability. Check with your insurance company on the
implications.
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim Bryan
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 12:04 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Public vs Private use airpark - I know a little
off topic
Thanks Jim,
I probably didn't give enough info here. Our airpark does not have any
commercial operations and will not ever have. We also do not have fuel.
What we were looking at was the ability to better protect our airspace from
a neighbor putting up a tower. It also might mean access to federal money
although I am not sure how or why we would be able to utilize that. I am
not sure of the downsides and that would be my question.
I did read that with a private owned but public use it can be used without
asking for permission first. There is an opportunity to set the policy or
rules so I guess you could also publish that it cannot be used for training
such as an outside instructor coming over with a student and doing touch and
go landings all day. That would be a definite downside to the owners here.
Is there anything else that might be detrimental or beneficial?
Thanks
Tim
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Fogarty at Lakes & Leisure Realty
> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:28 AM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Public vs Private use airpark - I know a little off
> topic
>
> <jfogarty@tds.net>
>
> A Public Airport will bring more Commerce to your area community and that
> means more planes, more refueling, more money for local restaurants, and
> more cash for all the business people in the area. If I see a private
> airport along my route, I would not land without permission from a member
> of
> that airport, if I land at a public airport I spend dollars in that
> community and it usually starts out with fuel for the plane and me.
>
> I live at Breezy Point, MN and we have a private field outside the gates
> to
> the Breezy Point Resort, we have 3 golf courses and a 8000 acre lake with
> crystal clear water within three blocks of the airport. If the members of
> that field could get the FAA to change it to public it would help our area
> with real $$$$$.
>
> I think the real question is will the FAA accept your airpark?
>
> Jim
> RV9a
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Bryan" <n616tb@btsapps.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 9:07 AM
> Subject: RV-List: Public vs Private use airpark - I know a little off
> topic
>
>
> >
> >
> > I know this is a little off topic, but there is so many great opinions
> on
> > this list. What would be advantages of a private airpark changing the
> > airport to public use? Some have perceived a better protection of the
> > airspace around us. Any thoughts?
> > Thanks
> > Tim
> > Do Not Archive
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > 12/13/2007 9:15 AM
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Public vs Private use airpark - I know a little off topic |
How about IFR access? The FAA is putting in space based instrument approac
hes (RNAV) at public airports in order to increase airport access and reduc
e the accident rate.
Contact me off-line to discuss... or have the airport manager contact the l
ocal Airports District Office.... also see. gps.faa.gov for an how to get
WAAS at your airport handout
Marty Heller
RV-7 (fitting internal systems)
and contract support to the WAAS program office
> From: n616tb@btsapps.com> To: rv-list@matronics.com> Subject: RE: RV-Lis
t: Public vs Private use airpark - I know a little off topic> Date: Thu, 13
6tb@btsapps.com>> > Thanks Jim,> > I probably didn't give enough info here.
Our airpark does not have any> commercial operations and will not ever hav
e. We also do not have fuel.> What we were looking at was the ability to be
tter protect our airspace from> a neighbor putting up a tower. It also migh
t mean access to federal money> although I am not sure how or why we would
be able to utilize that. I am> not sure of the downsides and that would be
my question.> > I did read that with a private owned but public use it can
be used without> asking for permission first. There is an opportunity to se
t the policy or> rules so I guess you could also publish that it cannot be
used for training> such as an outside instructor coming over with a student
and doing touch and> go landings all day. That would be a definite downsid
e to the owners here.> > Is there anything else that might be detrimental o
r beneficial?> Thanks> Tim> > > -----Original Message-----> > From: owner-r
v-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-> > server@matronics.com]
On Behalf Of Jim Fogarty at Lakes & Leisure Realty> > Sent: Thursday, Dece
mber 13, 2007 10:28 AM> > To: rv-list@matronics.com> > Subject: Re: RV-List
: Public vs Private use airpark - I know a little off> > topic> > > > --> R
V-List message posted by: "Jim Fogarty at Lakes & Leisure Realty"> > <jfoga
rty@tds.net>> > > > A Public Airport will bring more Commerce to your area
community and that> > means more planes, more refueling, more money for loc
al restaurants, and> > more cash for all the business people in the area. I
f I see a private> > airport along my route, I would not land without permi
ssion from a member> > of> > that airport, if I land at a public airport I
spend dollars in that> > community and it usually starts out with fuel for
the plane and me.> > > > I live at Breezy Point, MN and we have a private f
ield outside the gates> > to> > the Breezy Point Resort, we have 3 golf cou
rses and a 8000 acre lake with> > crystal clear water within three blocks o
f the airport. If the members of> > that field could get the FAA to change
it to public it would help our area> > with real $$$$$.> > > > I think the
real question is will the FAA accept your airpark?> > > > Jim> > RV9a> > --
--- Original Message -----> > From: "Tim Bryan" <n616tb@btsapps.com>> > To:
<rv-list@matronics.com>> > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 9:07 AM> > Su
bject: RV-List: Public vs Private use airpark - I know a little off> > topi
om>> > >> > >> > > I know this is a little off topic, but there is so many
great opinions> > on> > > this list. What would be advantages of a private
airpark changing the> > > airport to public use? Some have perceived a bett
er protection of the> > > airspace around us. Any thoughts?> > > Thanks> >
> Tim> > > Do Not Archive> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > --> > > 1
==============> > >
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| Subject: | Trio EZ-Pilot or Altitude Hold |
What kind of elevator trim do you have? If electric; does it have a setting
to allow fine tuning? Mine does. I can adjust the trim to hold altitude
within 100 feet reasonably. I would be disappointed if I was a builder,
could not afford both and bought alt hold instead of a Trio (or TruTrak)
that tracked. I have both and hundreds of hours of cross country before and
after installing each. Just wanted to present another opinion, supported by
a lot of flying. BTW, I also believe if you are doing frequent trips over
800 miles you deserve both.
Dale
RV6a TT 960hrs
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Shemp
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Trio EZ-Pilot or Altitude Hold
Ditto.
Alt hold is WAY more helpful than course follower. Plus, if you're
flying ifr, you're allowed 5 miles off course but only 300 feet off
altitude.
However, having both these days is a no brainer.
do not archive
shemp
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| Subject: | Re: Cost of Paint Job |
I painted my plane with three colors of Imron. The total cost of materials
was about $400. I did all the prep work myself, built a booth in my garage,
and asked a local pro to come over and squirt the top coat. He did a great
job and had about 2 hours into the whole thing. I bought him a case of
scotch and went flying with him a couple times. Everyone walked away very
happy.
With mine, the prep work was just that - "work". Its nothing difficult or
anything that requries any unusual skills. But it takes a lot of time and
that's why your local shop wants $7200. The only part of the job that takes
skill and experience to get right is the final squirt.
If you want to see how to prep and paint your RV, get Sam James's Painting
101 video. (Its at Builder's Bookstore www.buildersbooks.com )
Andy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shemp" <shempdowling@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 9:59 AM
Subject: RV-List: Cost of Paint Job
>
> I'm shopping around for a paint job and am getting sticker shock. The
> only "local" shop around Chicago told me his last RV paint job was $7200.
> I thought they typically cost around 5000. I've spent a lot of time on my
> glass stuff and its pretty much ready to paint. Anyone have a cost of a
> good relatively simple 2 color paint job that didnt require a lot of work
> by the painters?
>
> Shemp
> 300+
> 6a
> Chicago
>
> mike humphrey wrote:
>> <mike109g6@insideconnect.net>
>>
>> Mike,
>> In my hanger I have the T-12 cold weather 8' units. Great lighting, work
>> in cold fine, easy to replace, just started replacing bulbs after 3 1/2
>> years continual use, pricey but great lighting. Lowe's carries the 8'
>> fixture and bulbs(green ends and they just push in, no twisting). In my
>> work areas I have added specific lighting to the situation. Bandsaw,
>> lathe, drill press (dangerous areas) have separate lighting on switches.
>> I would not hang any lighting on the 16' ceiling though. Lighting
>> disperses geometrically. So whatever lighting that you choose, suspend
>> it from some cheap chain and lower it to about 2-3 feet above your
>> highest point on the floor, ie tail of plane. Reflectors are cheaper
>> than lighting units and you will save electricity which equals $. More $
>> to spend on RV's. Remember, whatever lighting that you put in, you will
>> not want to replace anytime soon, if ever, by lowering your units,
>> maintenance will be easier also, unless you just happen to have a 16'
>> step ladder.
>> Mike H
>> 9A/8A
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Kraus"
>> <n223rv@wolflakeairport.net>
>> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 8:01 AM
>> Subject: RV-List: Off Topic: Hanger Lighting
>>
>>
>>> <n223rv@wolflakeairport.net>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am building a new hanger on my house and was looking for information
>>> on what type of hanger lighting to install. The ceilings will be 16'
>>> tall and it is 44' x 60'. I would like good work lighting throughout.
>>> Also, if anyone knows of the light spacing it would help.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> -Mike Kraus
>>> RV-4 Flying
>>> RV-10 wiring
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Cost of Paint Job |
Shemp,
Rarely is the prep work done by a builder even close to the degree of finish that
a quality painter requires. The builder/owner thinks just a few hours of touch
up is all that is required, but more often, its like several days or a week
or more. If the local shop does a high quality prep job and paint to match,
$7,200 isn't unreasonable. If he's doing an "Earl Schribe" type paint job,
then $5,000 is way too much.
Chuck
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Shemp
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 12:00 PM
Subject: RV-List: Cost of Paint Job
I'm shopping around for a paint job and am getting sticker shock. The
only "local" shop around Chicago told me his last RV paint job was
$7200. I thought they typically cost around 5000. I've spent a lot of
time on my glass stuff and its pretty much ready to paint. Anyone have
a cost of a good relatively simple 2 color paint job that didnt require
a lot of work by the painters?
Shemp
300+
6a
Chicago
mike humphrey wrote:
> <mike109g6@insideconnect.net>
>
> Mike,
> In my hanger I have the T-12 cold weather 8' units. Great lighting,
> work in cold fine, easy to replace, just started replacing bulbs after
> 3 1/2 years continual use, pricey but great lighting. Lowe's carries
> the 8' fixture and bulbs(green ends and they just push in, no
> twisting). In my work areas I have added specific lighting to the
> situation. Bandsaw, lathe, drill press (dangerous areas) have
> separate lighting on switches. I would not hang any lighting on the
> 16' ceiling though. Lighting disperses geometrically. So whatever
> lighting that you choose, suspend it from some cheap chain and lower
> it to about 2-3 feet above your highest point on the floor, ie tail of
> plane. Reflectors are cheaper than lighting units and you will save
> electricity which equals $. More $ to spend on RV's. Remember,
> whatever lighting that you put in, you will not want to replace
> anytime soon, if ever, by lowering your units, maintenance will be
> easier also, unless you just happen to have a 16' step ladder.
> Mike H
> 9A/8A
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Kraus"
> <n223rv@wolflakeairport.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 8:01 AM
> Subject: RV-List: Off Topic: Hanger Lighting
>
>
>> <n223rv@wolflakeairport.net>
>>
>>
>>
>> I am building a new hanger on my house and was looking for
>> information on what type of hanger lighting to install. The ceilings
>> will be 16' tall and it is 44' x 60'. I would like good work
>> lighting throughout. Also, if anyone knows of the light spacing it
>> would help.
>>
>> Thanks
>> -Mike Kraus
>> RV-4 Flying
>> RV-10 wiring
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: TRIO AUTOPILOT |
Both can be used to drive the Trio.
I know cause I have done so with both myself.
Mike
Bruno
<rv4@videotron.ca
>
To
Sent by: RV LIST <rv-list@matronics.com>
owner-rv-list-ser
cc
ver@matronics.com
Subj
ect
RV-List: TRIO AUTOPILOT
12/13/2007 11:41
AM
Please respond to
rv-list@matronics
.com
Hello Sam
Did you required a special cable to hook up your
handheld GPS to your TRIO?
I have a Garmin 295 that I could use for this purpose or the GPS built
in
my BMA Efis Lite G3.
Cheers
Bruno
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Time: 09:47:23 PM PST US
From: bobperk90658@bellsouth.net
Subject: Re: RV-List: Trio EZ-Pilot or Altitude Hold
Sam,
You know that the accuracy of the GPS coupled to the autopilot is proba
bly
what
caused the Brazilian GOL 737, and the Embraer Legacy 600 Collision in
October
06 both were at 37,000 feet and on opposing courses between Brasilia an
d
Manause,
both probably used the airport coordinates in a common data base. Ther
e
are probably not more than 75 airplanes in the air in northern Brasil a
t
one time.
Sometimes being accurate down to the micron is not good, and being able
to fly an offset course is good. The Trio will do that easily all day
long.
Just a thought. Trying to justify being a sloppy pilot }:>)
Bob Perkinson
I still marvel at how a sub-$2000 autopilot can hold my plane within a
wingspan of the course line with an inexpensive handheld GPS providing
the data! How many King Airs and Citations can match that? :-)
Sam Buchanan
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| Subject: | Cost of Paint Job |
Take a look at Randy's Lervold's write-up of his RV-3B paint process. I've
seen the final outcome and it looks great. He is a meticulous and
thoughtful builder, so you can trust his commentary. I have never painted
more than the interior walls of my house, so cannot say anything about this
topic, but the statement below, "the prep work...takes a lot of time and
that's why your local shop wants..." $$ is the truth. You just need to
know what to do and how to do it. Then you need to decide if your labor is
worth the savings. Applying the paint is the skill part. The rest is time
and effort.
http://www.romeolima.com/RV3hq/Paint/paint.htm
John J
40328
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andy Gold
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 9:59 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Cost of Paint Job
I painted my plane with three colors of Imron. The total cost of materials
was about $400. I did all the prep work myself, built a booth in my garage,
and asked a local pro to come over and squirt the top coat. He did a great
job and had about 2 hours into the whole thing. I bought him a case of
scotch and went flying with him a couple times. Everyone walked away very
happy.
With mine, the prep work was just that - "work". Its nothing difficult or
anything that requries any unusual skills. But it takes a lot of time and
that's why your local shop wants $7200. The only part of the job that takes
skill and experience to get right is the final squirt.
If you want to see how to prep and paint your RV, get Sam James's Painting
101 video. (Its at Builder's Bookstore www.buildersbooks.com )
Andy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shemp" <shempdowling@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 9:59 AM
Subject: RV-List: Cost of Paint Job
>
> I'm shopping around for a paint job and am getting sticker shock. The
> only "local" shop around Chicago told me his last RV paint job was $7200.
> I thought they typically cost around 5000. I've spent a lot of time on my
> glass stuff and its pretty much ready to paint. Anyone have a cost of a
> good relatively simple 2 color paint job that didnt require a lot of work
> by the painters?
>
> Shemp
> 300+
> 6a
> Chicago
>
> mike humphrey wrote:
>> <mike109g6@insideconnect.net>
>>
>> Mike,
>> In my hanger I have the T-12 cold weather 8' units. Great lighting, work
>> in cold fine, easy to replace, just started replacing bulbs after 3 1/2
>> years continual use, pricey but great lighting. Lowe's carries the 8'
>> fixture and bulbs(green ends and they just push in, no twisting). In my
>> work areas I have added specific lighting to the situation. Bandsaw,
>> lathe, drill press (dangerous areas) have separate lighting on switches.
>> I would not hang any lighting on the 16' ceiling though. Lighting
>> disperses geometrically. So whatever lighting that you choose, suspend
>> it from some cheap chain and lower it to about 2-3 feet above your
>> highest point on the floor, ie tail of plane. Reflectors are cheaper
>> than lighting units and you will save electricity which equals $. More $
>> to spend on RV's. Remember, whatever lighting that you put in, you will
>> not want to replace anytime soon, if ever, by lowering your units,
>> maintenance will be easier also, unless you just happen to have a 16'
>> step ladder.
>> Mike H
>> 9A/8A
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Kraus"
>> <n223rv@wolflakeairport.net>
>> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 8:01 AM
>> Subject: RV-List: Off Topic: Hanger Lighting
>>
>>
>>> <n223rv@wolflakeairport.net>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am building a new hanger on my house and was looking for information
>>> on what type of hanger lighting to install. The ceilings will be 16'
>>> tall and it is 44' x 60'. I would like good work lighting throughout.
>>> Also, if anyone knows of the light spacing it would help.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> -Mike Kraus
>>> RV-4 Flying
>>> RV-10 wiring
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cost of Paint Job |
Andy Gold wrote:
>
> I painted my plane with three colors of Imron. The total cost of
> materials was about $400. I did all the prep work myself, built a booth
> in my garage, and asked a local pro to come over and squirt the top
> coat. He did a great job and had about 2 hours into the whole thing. I
> bought him a case of scotch and went flying with him a couple times.
> Everyone walked away very happy.
>
> With mine, the prep work was just that - "work". Its nothing difficult
> or anything that requries any unusual skills. But it takes a lot of
> time and that's why your local shop wants $7200. The only part of the
> job that takes skill and experience to get right is the final squirt.
>
> If you want to see how to prep and paint your RV, get Sam James's
> Painting 101 video. (Its at Builder's Bookstore www.buildersbooks.com )
>
When I painted my RV-6 eight years ago, my cost of materials (PPG
Concept single stage) was close to $1000.
Wish I could've sprayed my plane in two hours...bet I had 15 hours just
in masking.............. )-:
I used to think aircraft paint jobs were outrageously priced. After
painting a couple of planes, I am amazed a paint shop can stay in
business by only charging $7000.
Sam Buchanan
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| Subject: | Re: TRIO AUTOPILOT |
Bruno wrote:
> Hello Sam
>
> Did you required a special cable to hook up your handheld GPS to your
> TRIO?
>
> I have a Garmin 295 that I could use for this purpose or the GPS
> built in my BMA Efis Lite G3.
>
> Cheers
>
> Bruno
Bruno, the cable is special only in the sense that it has to have the
proper connector to plug into the GPS. Most GPS vendors have a
data/power cable for the popular models, and all you have to do is
connect the data transmit wire in the cable to the EZ-Pilot. Just make
sure you Garmin can send NMEA data (most if not all Garmins can). The
BMA unit may be a little problematic. From reading the BMA forum, I know
there have been issues with getting good NMEA out of some of the BMA
devices, a call to Greg or the guys at Trio might be in order.
Sam Buchanan
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| Subject: | Cost of Paint Job |
I had my -8 painted two summers ago. I probably got a dozen quotes from
companies with RV experience from all over the country. Mine was a
multi-colored paint scheme and my quotes ranged from about $4900 to $7000
for a single stage job and $6500 to $12,000 for a base coat/clear coat job.
I decided on a base coat/clear coat for $8500 from Prestige Paint in upsate
Vermont (see the Yellerpages). I would suggest you shop around.
Additionally, virtually every shop I spoke to said they include a few hours
labor for prep in their quote because they rarely experienced an airplane
that was indeed ready for final color coating. You'll be hard pressed to
get them to quote less unless they see your work.
Rick McBride
RV-8 N523RJ
>From: Shemp <shempdowling@gmail.com>
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: Cost of Paint Job
>Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:59:57 -0600
>
>
>I'm shopping around for a paint job and am getting sticker shock. The only
>"local" shop around Chicago told me his last RV paint job was $7200. I
>thought they typically cost around 5000. I've spent a lot of time on my
>glass stuff and its pretty much ready to paint. Anyone have a cost of a
>good relatively simple 2 color paint job that didnt require a lot of work
>by the painters?
>
>Shemp
>300+
>6a
>Chicago
>
>mike humphrey wrote:
>><mike109g6@insideconnect.net>
>>
>>Mike,
>>In my hanger I have the T-12 cold weather 8' units. Great lighting, work
>>in cold fine, easy to replace, just started replacing bulbs after 3 1/2
>>years continual use, pricey but great lighting. Lowe's carries the 8'
>>fixture and bulbs(green ends and they just push in, no twisting). In my
>>work areas I have added specific lighting to the situation. Bandsaw,
>>lathe, drill press (dangerous areas) have separate lighting on switches.
>>I would not hang any lighting on the 16' ceiling though. Lighting
>>disperses geometrically. So whatever lighting that you choose, suspend it
>>from some cheap chain and lower it to about 2-3 feet above your highest
>>point on the floor, ie tail of plane. Reflectors are cheaper than
>>lighting units and you will save electricity which equals $. More $ to
>>spend on RV's. Remember, whatever lighting that you put in, you will not
>>want to replace anytime soon, if ever, by lowering your units, maintenance
>>will be easier also, unless you just happen to have a 16' step ladder.
>>Mike H
>>9A/8A
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Kraus"
>><n223rv@wolflakeairport.net>
>>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>>Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 8:01 AM
>>Subject: RV-List: Off Topic: Hanger Lighting
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I am building a new hanger on my house and was looking for information on
>>>what type of hanger lighting to install. The ceilings will be 16' tall
>>>and it is 44' x 60'. I would like good work lighting throughout. Also,
>>>if anyone knows of the light spacing it would help.
>>>
>>>Thanks
>>>-Mike Kraus
>>>RV-4 Flying
>>>RV-10 wiring
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cost of Paint Job |
In a message dated 12/13/2007 12:36:18 PM Central Standard Time,
sbuc@hiwaay.net writes:
I used to think aircraft paint jobs were outrageously priced. After
painting a couple of planes, I am amazed a paint shop can stay in
business by only charging $7000.
>>>
Same here. Doug Reeves used to have paint shop reviews on his Vans Air Force
website, but it looks like they are gone. Here is a description of my most
excellent paint shop experience, courtesy of Bobby Potts at TCL, Tuscaloosa, AL
(you didn't REALLY want to paint in the snow, didja?!). Damage was $7K
almost 3yrs ago, and very happy to pay it:
_http://websites.expercraft.com/n51pw/_
(http://websites.expercraft.com/n51pw/)
(The Expercraft website seems to down right now, but try later- select
Painting link from bottom of left column of homepage above)
Mark Phillips
Columbia, TN
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| Subject: | Re: Public vs Private use airpark - I know a little off topic |
Going public will make your airport property tax exempt...no property taxes
on the runway and hangars. The airpark we live on is a public airport and
as such has to be inspected by the state aviation department once a year.
Insurance is reasonable, under $3K/year.
Regards,
Bob Japundza
RV-6 flying F1 under const.
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| Subject: | Re: Cost of Paint Job |
>When I painted my RV-6 eight years ago, my cost of materials (PPG
>Concept single stage) was close to $1000.
>
>Wish I could've sprayed my plane in two hours...bet I had 15 hours
>just in masking.............. )-:
>
>Sam Buchanan
I agree. And I only painted a single color with no primer! Even
with a single color, you still have to mask!?!
Bob
RV6 "Wicked Witch of the West"
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| Subject: | Re: : TRIO AUTOPILOT & Anywhere Map/iPaq? |
Can the Trio read the signal from a hand held iPaq and Anywhere Map?
Kim Nicholas
Seattle
RV9A
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| Subject: | Cost of Paint Job |
Heres a pic of my 6a getting painted at my shop. I parked it in front during
the day to showoff but had to move it because it caused a few accidents with
the traffic out front. Any quality auto paint shop can do a great job. Just
pull the wings and flatbed the fuse. I did mine in basecoat clearcoat
because the painters were most familiar with that system. I think I have
500-600 in materials and 20hrs of shop time.
Steve dinieri
Iflyrv10
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sam Buchanan
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Cost of Paint Job
Andy Gold wrote:
>
> I painted my plane with three colors of Imron. The total cost of
> materials was about $400. I did all the prep work myself, built a booth
> in my garage, and asked a local pro to come over and squirt the top
> coat. He did a great job and had about 2 hours into the whole thing. I
> bought him a case of scotch and went flying with him a couple times.
> Everyone walked away very happy.
>
> With mine, the prep work was just that - "work". Its nothing difficult
> or anything that requries any unusual skills. But it takes a lot of
> time and that's why your local shop wants $7200. The only part of the
> job that takes skill and experience to get right is the final squirt.
>
> If you want to see how to prep and paint your RV, get Sam James's
> Painting 101 video. (Its at Builder's Bookstore www.buildersbooks.com )
>
When I painted my RV-6 eight years ago, my cost of materials (PPG
Concept single stage) was close to $1000.
Wish I could've sprayed my plane in two hours...bet I had 15 hours just
in masking.............. )-:
I used to think aircraft paint jobs were outrageously priced. After
painting a couple of planes, I am amazed a paint shop can stay in
business by only charging $7000.
Sam Buchanan
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| Subject: | Re: Cost of Paint Job |
Man, am I glad I'm going the polished route!! I think I can do the few
fiberglass parts with spray bombs from Wal Mart...
Scott
http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/
Gotta Fly or Gonna Die
Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version)
Andy Gold wrote:
>
> I painted my plane with three colors of Imron. The total cost of
> materials was about $400. I did all the prep work myself, built a
> booth in my garage, and asked a local pro to come over and squirt the
> top coat. He did a great job and had about 2 hours into the whole
> thing. I bought him a case of scotch and went flying with him a couple
> times. Everyone walked away very happy.
>
> With mine, the prep work was just that - "work". Its nothing difficult
> or anything that requries any unusual skills. But it takes a lot of
> time and that's why your local shop wants $7200. The only part of the
> job that takes skill and experience to get right is the final squirt.
>
> If you want to see how to prep and paint your RV, get Sam James's
> Painting 101 video. (Its at Builder's Bookstore www.buildersbooks.com )
>
> Andy
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shemp" <shempdowling@gmail.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 9:59 AM
> Subject: RV-List: Cost of Paint Job
>
>
>>
>> I'm shopping around for a paint job and am getting sticker shock.
>> The only "local" shop around Chicago told me his last RV paint job
>> was $7200. I thought they typically cost around 5000. I've spent a
>> lot of time on my glass stuff and its pretty much ready to paint.
>> Anyone have a cost of a good relatively simple 2 color paint job that
>> didnt require a lot of work by the painters?
>>
>> Shemp
>> 300+
>> 6a
>> Chicago
>>
>> mike humphrey wrote:
>>
>>> <mike109g6@insideconnect.net>
>>>
>>> Mike,
>>> In my hanger I have the T-12 cold weather 8' units. Great lighting,
>>> work in cold fine, easy to replace, just started replacing bulbs
>>> after 3 1/2 years continual use, pricey but great lighting. Lowe's
>>> carries the 8' fixture and bulbs(green ends and they just push in,
>>> no twisting). In my work areas I have added specific lighting to
>>> the situation. Bandsaw, lathe, drill press (dangerous areas) have
>>> separate lighting on switches. I would not hang any lighting on the
>>> 16' ceiling though. Lighting disperses geometrically. So whatever
>>> lighting that you choose, suspend it from some cheap chain and lower
>>> it to about 2-3 feet above your highest point on the floor, ie tail
>>> of plane. Reflectors are cheaper than lighting units and you will
>>> save electricity which equals $. More $ to spend on RV's.
>>> Remember, whatever lighting that you put in, you will not want to
>>> replace anytime soon, if ever, by lowering your units, maintenance
>>> will be easier also, unless you just happen to have a 16' step ladder.
>>> Mike H
>>> 9A/8A
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Kraus"
>>> <n223rv@wolflakeairport.net>
>>> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 8:01 AM
>>> Subject: RV-List: Off Topic: Hanger Lighting
>>>
>>>
>>>> <n223rv@wolflakeairport.net>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am building a new hanger on my house and was looking for
>>>> information on what type of hanger lighting to install. The
>>>> ceilings will be 16' tall and it is 44' x 60'. I would like good
>>>> work lighting throughout. Also, if anyone knows of the light
>>>> spacing it would help.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> -Mike Kraus
>>>> RV-4 Flying
>>>> RV-10 wiring
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cost of Paint Job |
I just got done having my plane painted. I also shopped
around and
had quotes of $7000 (plus any required body work) to
$10,000. I
decided it was too much and would do it on my own. Boy was
I
naive!
I couldn't do anything in my own hangar at a public airport,
so I
made arrangements to work at a friend's hangar at an
airpark. I
proceeded to take the whole airplane apart and set up a
paint
booth in a Costco car tent in my back yard. I bought a big
compressor and a DeVilbiss FinishLine 3 HVLP gun. Based
on Randy Lervold's recommendations, I went with PPG Concept.
I washed, acid etched, scuffed and alodyned all the
aluminum. I
spent a lot of time on the fiberglass and used almost a
whole gallon
of K38 high build primer, most of which ended up on
everything
in my shop when I sanded it off. I also used quite a bit of
SuperFil. I started painting the color coats with white
Concept.
It wasn't great, but it wasn't horrible either. Had the
usual
problems with dust, runs, and orange peel. There is a real
art
to putting on the final coat. You really can't sand very
much
because you will cut through a rivet or just a high spot on
the
aluminum. When I painted the empennage fairing with a dark
blue, I kind of lost it. The one piece had orange peel,
runs, and
dust everywhere, even with fans and filters. I decided I
couldn't
do a job I would be happy with. I went back to the shop who
quoted $10,000 and asked them how much just to put on
the color. They said between $3000 and $4000. Based on
really good review from a person I trust (Terry Burch), I
decided
to go ahead an do that. I brought the pieces to them in
sanded primer/sealer. They had to spray a coat of primer
and
then basecoat clearcoat. I ended up eating some Concept,
but that's the way it goes. I spent upwards of 200 hours
over the summer doing the prep and priming. I know it's a
lot
of hours, but there is a lot to do, especially with the
fiberglass
work. There are a lot of pin holes and they will show up if
you don't totally take care of them. I had one of the very
first
S type cowls, and it was rough in places. I ended up
spending
about $3000 for materials plus $3800 to the paint shop.
This
doesn't count the compressor, paint gun, tent, lights, fans,
etc.
Plenty of people paint there own airplanes, and I admire
them
for it. It is a lot of work. I took my plane down in late
April
and didn't fly again until September. In hindsight, I
really
wished I had just bit the bullet and had the whole thing
done.
That is one person's opinion. Your mileage may vary.
If your curious on how it came out, check out:
home.comcast.net/~doug.medema.
Doug Medema
RV-6A N276DM
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| Subject: | Re: Cost of Paint Job |
Doug,
Man you hit the nail on the head. I've painted a few airplanes and the
amount of work required for a nice finish is much more than you would think.
Russ
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Doug Medema
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 6:13 PM
To: RV-List@matronics.com
Subject: RV-List: Re: Cost of Paint Job
I just got done having my plane painted. I also shopped around and
had quotes of $7000 (plus any required body work) to $10,000. I
decided it was too much and would do it on my own. Boy was I
naive!
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| Subject: | Re: Cost of Paint Job |
Hi Doug,
Good advice. There is the pride of having done most of it yourself and I'm
sure it was a good learning experience. Regardless of how you got there the
plane looks fabulous! I can't wait to see it in person.
Dave,
RV6
_____
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doug Medema
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 3:13 PM
Subject: RV-List: Re: Cost of Paint Job
I just got done having my plane painted
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| Subject: | Re: : TRIO AUTOPILOT & Anywhere Map/iPaq? |
Knicholas2@aol.com wrote:
> Can the Trio read the signal from a hand held iPaq and Anywhere Map?
>
> Kim Nicholas
> Seattle
> RV9A
Kim, the last I heard on this matter was....no. It seems AWM doesn't
send the data in a format that EZ-Pilot needs in order to clear the
tight filters that are part of the Trio software.
I know Trio was working with a customer that had AWM so I suggest a call
to Trio to make sure some recent developments haven't proved me wrong.
Sam Buchanan
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| Subject: | Re: TRIO AUTOPILOT |
I have a 396 and it works fine. There is a special connector you can get from
Garmin and others that has single wires coming out to splice into your autopilot
harness. I think I got mine right from Garmin if I remember.
Paul Besing
----- Original Message ----
From: Michael W Stewart <mike.stewart@us.ibm.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 11:21:43 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: TRIO AUTOPILOT
Both can be used to drive the Trio.
I know cause I have done so with both myself.
Mike
Bruno <rv4@videotron.ca>
Bruno <rv4@videotron.ca>
Sent by: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
12/13/2007 11:41 AM
Please respond to
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RV-List: TRIO AUTOPILOT
Hello Sam
Did you required a special cable to hook up your handheld
GPS to your TRIO?
I have a Garmin 295 that I could use for this purpose or the GPS built in my BMA
Efis Lite G3.
Cheers
Bruno
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Time: 09:47:23 PM PST US
From: bobperk90658@bellsouth.net
Subject: Re: RV-List: Trio EZ-Pilot or Altitude Hold
Sam,
You know that the accuracy of the GPS coupled to the autopilot is probably what
caused the Brazilian GOL 737, and the Embraer Legacy 600 Collision in October
06 both were at 37,000 feet and on opposing courses between Brasilia and Manause,
both probably used the airport coordinates in a common data base. There
are probably not more than 75 airplanes in the air in northern Brasil at one time.
Sometimes being accurate down to the micron is not good, and being able
to fly an offset course is good. The Trio will do that easily all day long.
Just a thought. Trying to justify being a sloppy pilot }:>)
Bob Perkinson
I still marvel at how a sub-$2000 autopilot can hold my plane within a
wingspan of the course line with an inexpensive handheld GPS providing
the data! How many King Airs and Citations can match that? :-)
Sam Buchanan
Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page.
http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
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| Subject: | Re: : TRIO AUTOPILOT & Anywhere Map/iPaq? |
Sam Buchanan wrote:
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> Knicholas2@aol.com wrote:
>> Can the Trio read the signal from a hand held iPaq and Anywhere Map?
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>> Kim Nicholas
>> Seattle
>> RV9A
Update:
I have just been informed from a *very* good source (its amazing how
many vendors monitor these forums!) that at least some of the versions
of AnywhereMap software do indeed output a data stream that works nicely
with the EZ-Pilot.
However.....the problem lies with the new PDA platforms that don't
provide a serial port. Many of the newest PDAs only provide Bluetooth
connectivity and there is considerable concern as to whether or not
Bluetooth is reliable enough to be driving an autopilot, and Trio
doesn't support Bluetooth connectivity.
So, if you have an older PDA that has a RS232 data port, AWM may indeed
drive an autopilot. When I was actively using AWM in their earlier days,
it would sorta drive my old Navaid, but left me high and dry when I
upgraded to the EZ-Pilot. Apparently some of the newer versions of the
software play nice with the EZ-Pilot.
As usual, the best course to take is to call the vendors and get the
scoop directly from them.
Sam Buchanan
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