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1. 04:05 AM - Re: 60s (Chuck Jensen)
2. 05:28 AM - Re: Gel Coated Fairings (Kyle Boatright)
3. 06:10 AM - Re: Gel Coated Fairings (Patrick Kelley)
4. 06:48 AM - Re: Wheel pants fairings etc. (Bobby Hester)
5. 08:33 AM - Re: 60s (mike humphrey)
6. 09:04 AM - Re: Wheel pants fairings etc. (Konrad L. Werner)
7. 09:39 AM - Re: 60s (Vanremog@AOL.COM)
8. 06:15 PM - Spelling (Wheeler North)
9. 08:22 PM - Re: 60s (Ed)
10. 09:05 PM - Re: Spelling (Reuven Silberman)
11. 09:32 PM - Re: 60s (Vanremog@aol.com)
12. 10:27 PM - 2006 RV-6A Xmas Special $59,500 (Parker Thomas)
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The usage of the term "book" in this case references a personal ledger
in which I keep score and track, as in "making book". A nod is a mear
notation or remark on a remarkable observation (that being what is
observed is remarkable, not that observing it was remarkable).
Unfortunately, there are no assigned value to my nods, since they are
not traded on any exchanges, even though they are invaluable. If they
were convertible to a currency, the exchange rate with the value of the
dollar would still be incalculable since one can not divide by "0".
Chuck Jensen
Yes, please Do Not Archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 7:39 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: 60s
What's a book? And what is the current Nod/USD exchange rate?
Robin
Do Not Archive (Please)
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Jensen
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 2:51 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: 60s
In a message dated 12/15/2007 1:36:27 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
wnorth@sdccd.edu writes:
In the time memorialized words of Aldus Huxley "Ooh that was a bad trip,
please do not archive."
=======================
Anyone who has read The Doors of Perception gets the nod in my book,
even if he misspells Aldous.
N1GV (RV-6A, Flying 872hrs, O-360-A1A, C/S, Silicon Valley)
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Anyone who reads gets a nod in my book....
Chuck
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| Subject: | Re: Gel Coated Fairings |
Gareys
In general, gelcoat is your friend. It supplies a smooth pinhole free
surface that is more or less ready to paint. Unless your gelcoat is damaged
(spiderweb cracks), or the part needs to be seriously reworked by cutting
away part or adding to the part, there is no need to remove it. In fact,
you'll be creating a lot of work for yourself because you'll have to
completely refinish the part once you sand it down to the glass.
I believe the wingtips and empennage tips are made with polyester resin and
are still supplied with gelcoat. Cowlings and landing gear fairings are
from epoxy resin and don't have gelcoat.
On getting a nice skin/fairing line, I don't know any specific techniques
other than fit, cut, fill, sand, and repeat until you're happy with the
finished product. Sorry!
Kyle Boatright
2001 RV-6
N46KB
----- Original Message -----
From: "Garey Wittich" <gareywittich2000@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 2:49 AM
Subject: RV-List: Gel Coated Fairings
>
> Greetings:
>
> Have an "older" Emphennage Kit (circa 1999) that came
> with Gel Coated F.G. Fairings.
>
> 1) Do the "newer" Kits from Vans still come with the
> Gel Coated Fairings ?
>
> 2) My understanding from reading the Archieves is
> that the Gel Coat is used over Polyester Resin F.G.
> parts and not over Epoxy Resin F.G. Parts. Is this
> true ?
>
> 3) Is it worth buying from Vans the "newer" NON Gel
> Coated Fairings (assuming they come that way now) than
> trying to work with the existing Gel Coated fairings
> that I have ?
>
> 4) What is the purpose of the Gel Coat - mold release
> ?
>
> 5) What Grit / Method used - would you recommend to
> take off the Gel Coat (and not digging into the F.G.
> weave) ?
>
> 6) Is it recommended to remove ALL the Gel Coat down
> to the F.G. weave so that any "flexing" of the F.G.
> fairing will not crack any final Top Coat of paint in
> the future ? [My Fairing on the TOP of the VS will be
> removable for access to the VOR Antenna - should that
> be necessary and could flex during removal and crack
> the Top Coat of paint.]
>
> 7) Any helpful HINTS on getting a nice Fairing / Skin
> edge line where the Fairing meets the Skin and still
> keeping the Fairing removable ? [Will be using #6
> Screws into Nutplates riveted to the F.G. Fairing]
>
> Appreciate your helpful inputs,
>
> Garey Wittich Santa Monica, CA
>
>
> Be a better friend, newshound, and
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>
>
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| Subject: | Gel Coated Fairings |
I can't answer all your questions definitively and the ones I can are as
much opinion as fact, so you'll likely get more than one answer from the
list. But here goes:
Gel coat is most commonly used over poly; it's often just a colored
finishing resin painted into the mold before the first ply is laid down with
plying resin. Its purpose is to provide a finished surface. In practical
use, this is almost never the final surface because seams will be visible
or, in the case of our RVs, the molded color will not be the desired finish
color. I've flown competition model sailplanes for year with molded
components and the competitors usually leave them alone; lightness is more
important than cosmetic detail.
Gelcoat can be sanded, use a fine grit so you don't gouge the gel or dig
into the weave. You just want enough "tooth" for your primer; sand until
the shine is gone. Wipe with a solvent or alcohol (I like MEK) to remove
dust and any mold release (gelcoat itself isn't a mold release, so the mold
is usually first coated with release). Flexing should not be a problem for
your finish; you shouldn't have to squeeze the fairing much to get it on.
The biggest problem area will be filling the gap between the parts. Filler
tends to crack and while epoxy can be used over poly, filling with resin
usually leaves a brittle edge.
What you should do is fit the fairing with a little gap built in, say 1/16"
to 1/8". Then go back and carefully sand the sharp molded corners working
along the surface of the piece, not down into it. This will enlarge the gap
but not cut down into the weave. Both the inside and outside corners of the
joggle should be rounded; the main purpose is to ensure that the entire area
has been sanded to receive the fill. The flat area of the joggle should
also be lightly sanded. Mix up some epoxy filler, using flox until it is
fairly stiff. Wax or mold release the empennage along the joint both
inside, outside, and along the edge (if it were me, I'd do this with clecos
rather than after the screws and nutplates are fitted, to avoid epoxy in bad
places). Paint the gap with extra epoxy and apply the filler. Let harden
and then sand the joint smooth before carefully separating the parts. That
should leave you with an exact fit that won't easily crack.
By the way, consider the wingtip VOR antenna; saves you from having to make
the empennage fairing removable and from having the antenna sticking out of
the tail. The instructions for making the joint still apply except that you
can fill after the fairings have been riveted on and you can obviously skip
the mold release.
Pat Kelley - RV-6A - Making antenna cable runs to the panel.
-----Original Message-----
Greetings:
Have an "older" Emphennage Kit (circa 1999) that came
with Gel Coated F.G. Fairings.
1) Do the "newer" Kits from Vans still come with the
Gel Coated Fairings ?
2) My understanding from reading the Archieves is
that the Gel Coat is used over Polyester Resin F.G.
parts and not over Epoxy Resin F.G. Parts. Is this
true ?
3) Is it worth buying from Vans the "newer" NON Gel
Coated Fairings (assuming they come that way now) than
trying to work with the existing Gel Coated fairings
that I have ?
4) What is the purpose of the Gel Coat - mold release
?
5) What Grit / Method used - would you recommend to
take off the Gel Coat (and not digging into the F.G.
weave) ?
6) Is it recommended to remove ALL the Gel Coat down
to the F.G. weave so that any "flexing" of the F.G.
fairing will not crack any final Top Coat of paint in
the future ? [My Fairing on the TOP of the VS will be
removable for access to the VOR Antenna - should that
be necessary and could flex during removal and crack
the Top Coat of paint.]
7) Any helpful HINTS on getting a nice Fairing / Skin
edge line where the Fairing meets the Skin and still
keeping the Fairing removable ? [Will be using #6
Screws into Nutplates riveted to the F.G. Fairing]
Appreciate your helpful inputs,
Garey Wittich Santa Monica, CA
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel pants fairings etc. |
How many hours do you think it would take you to do it yourself?
If you paid yourself $25 an hour and worked for 6 hrs I would bet that
you would not have the first fairing made. Oh and by the way, you will
still have to pay for the supplies. You want 5 fairings for $150. Ha ha ha!
It's all in the way you look at it.
I spent 4 hrs. putting the hinge in one main gear leg fairing today. I'm
sure glad my intersection fairing from Bob are on the shelf. I tried the
upper one on and it fits great :-)
----
Surfing the web from Hopkinsville, KY
Checkout the latest on my flying RV7A web page: http://home.newwavecomm.net/bobbyhester/MyFlyingRV7A.htm
bert murillo wrote:
> Hi: I have posted a couple messages, no respond.. I will try again.
> Does any one knows, any one that sells the fairings for the rv6a...the
> wheels and legs fairings... other than Van's or Bob's
> I do not want to pay that kind of money...I will be willing to pay
> $150 for the set..
>
> Other wise, can some one tell me how difficult would be to make my
> own.....Those with the talent to do this, can send me photos, and
> 'details of how to do it etc...
>
>
> Thanks for any info....and Happy Holidays to all in the Rv...family...
>
> Robert
>
> rv6a
>
> do not archive
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Be a better friend, newshound, and
> *
>
>
> *
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At last we enter into my realm of quantum mechanics. "0". Is this to
say zero as in null and void, absent of substance or as in absolute
zero, a defining mathematical constant. Excuse me while I go
contemplate my navel lint. I love this site.
Mike H
----- Original Message -----
From: Chuck Jensen
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 7:03 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: 60s
The usage of the term "book" in this case references a personal ledger
in which I keep score and track, as in "making book". A nod is a mear
notation or remark on a remarkable observation (that being what is
observed is remarkable, not that observing it was remarkable).
Unfortunately, there are no assigned value to my nods, since they are
not traded on any exchanges, even though they are invaluable. If they
were convertible to a currency, the exchange rate with the value of the
dollar would still be incalculable since one can not divide by "0".
Chuck Jensen
Yes, please Do Not Archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 7:39 PM
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV-List: 60s
What's a book? And what is the current Nod/USD exchange rate?
Robin
Do Not Archive (Please)
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Jensen
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 2:51 PM
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV-List: 60s
In a message dated 12/15/2007 1:36:27 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
wnorth@sdccd.edu writes:
In the time memorialized words of Aldus Huxley "Ooh that was a
bad trip,
please do not archive."
=======================
Anyone who has read The Doors of Perception gets the nod in my
book, even if he misspells Aldous.
N1GV (RV-6A, Flying 872hrs, O-360-A1A, C/S, Silicon Valley)
==========
Anyone who reads gets a nod in my book....
Chuck
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel pants fairings etc. |
Bert,
You will have to buck up a little more $ to end up with a decent
product... (unless you are a magician in fiberglass).
Consider it a Holiday gift to yourself! So simply follow NIKE's slogan:
JUST DO IT!!! And do share pictures of the install once you are done.
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: bert murillo
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 3:47 PM
Subject: RV-List: Wheel pants fairings etc.
Hi: I have posted a couple messages, no respond.. I will try again.
Does any one knows, any one that sells the fairings for the rv6a...the
wheels and legs fairings... other than Van's or Bob's
I do not want to pay that kind of money...I will be willing to pay
$150 for the set..
Other wise, can some one tell me how difficult would be to make my
own.....Those with the talent to do this, can send me photos, and
'details of how to do it etc...
Thanks for any info....and Happy Holidays to all in the
Rv...family...
Robert
rv6a
do not archive
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In a message dated 12/16/2007 4:07:30 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
cjensen@dts9000.com writes:
Unfortunately, there are no assigned value to my nods, since they are not
traded on any exchanges, even though they are invaluable. If they were
convertible to a currency, the exchange rate with the value of the dollar would
still be incalculable since one can not divide by "0".
=======================================
I have been to ancient Greece...just look at this grape...
N1GV (RV-6A, Flying 872hrs, O-360-A1A, C/S, Silicon Valley)
**************************************See AOL's top rated recipes
(http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)
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"even if he misspells Aldous."
Sadly, Bill Gaits wouldn't let me spell it correctly so I just got even...
;{)
Do not archive
PS just ordered the RV-3 wing kit, tail feathers 3/4 done, more bird parts
removed from RV-6 air box(only feathers and goo this time, 7 down -
37,341,494,871 to go, flight instructor says I'll be an ace here shortly)
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Catherwood? Put down that pickle!
Pax,
Ed Holyoke
> I have been to ancient Greece...just look at this grape...
>
>
>
> *N1GV (RV-6A, Flying 872hrs, O-360-A1A, C/S, Silicon Valley)*
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> See AOL's top rated recipes
> <http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004> and
> easy ways to stay in shape
> <http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aoltop00030000000003>
> for winter.
>
>*
>
>
>*
>
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NB
How come when I respond to something I dont see it coming around on the site?
Class B
"even if he misspells Aldous."
Sadly, Bill Gaits wouldn't let me spell it correctly so I just got even...
;{)
Do not archive
PS just ordered the RV-3 wing kit, tail feathers 3/4 done, more bird parts
removed from RV-6 air box(only feathers and goo this time, 7 down -
37,341,494,871 to go, flight instructor says I'll be an ace here shortly)
"No pressure, no diamonds".
~Thomas Carlyle
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In a message dated 12/16/2007 8:25:53 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
bicyclop@pacbell.net writes:
Catherwood? Put down that pickle!
=============================================
I'll have pizza to go and no anchovies...
Do not archive.
N1GV (RV-6A, Flying 872hrs, O-360-A1A, C/S, Silicon Valley)
**************************************See AOL's top rated recipes
(http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)
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| Subject: | 2006 RV-6A Xmas Special $59,500 |
Merry Christmas to the listers...
2006 RV-6A for $59,500. See pictures at http://web.mac.com/fpthomas.
Currently on the ramp in front of the tower at KHWD.
Lycoming O-320 E3D 130 SMOH. This engine is NOT compatible with a CS prop.
Aymar-Demuth fixed wood prop (it looks metal in the pictures, but it is
wood). Sliding canopy, electric flaps, day/night VFR. First flight was on
February 15th, 2006. The interior is from Classic Aero with carpet under
the feet and baggage area, upholstered vinyl and cloth seats and side
coverings in all areas. The panel has a Vision Microsystems VM1000C (color
display) monitoring all 4 CHT=B9s and EGT=B9s, fuel pressure, fuel flow, gallon
s
burned and remaining, oil temp and pressure, voltage and amps, RPM and
manifold pressure, OAT and CAT and left and right fuel levels all on one 6
inch screen. It also has a panel-mounted Garmin 296, a NARCO transponder
and an Icom A-200 Radio with emergency inputs that bypass the intercom. Th
e
big 6 gauges are all overhauled or new. The intercom is Flightcom from
Van=B9s. Engine was overhauled in January 2005 =AD see web site for A&P signof
f
with a list of replaced parts.
Other little things: upgraded fuel valve, right stick PTT is on the panel s
o
the stick can be removed, both pilot and copilot brakes. One strobe light
on the top of the vertical stabilizer with nav lights on both wings and
tail. One landing light on left wing. Red map lights on both sides of the
cockpit. Entire airframe primed with zinc chromate.
I purchased the kit almost flying from an A&P builder, removed the panel an
d
replaced every wire, switch and gauge. This is the second RV I=B9ve finishe
d
- the first was an RV-8 I built from a QB fuse and slow-build wing set.
Call me at 510-393-9876.
Parker
____________________________________
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me@parkerthomas.com
www.parkerthomas.com
Phone 510-393-9876
Fax 510-225-2358
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