---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 12/19/07: 35 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:11 AM - Re: Tail Dragger Towbar Question (Jeff Point) 2. 04:15 AM - Re: Tail Dragger Towbar Question (RV6 Flyer) 3. 05:52 AM - Re: Tail Dragger Towbar Question (Ron Schreck) 4. 06:06 AM - Re: Re: Tail Dragger Towbar Question (Sam Buchanan) 5. 06:15 AM - Re: Tail Dragger Towbar Question (Paul Besing) 6. 07:04 AM - King A&P Mechanics Exam Courses (Bill VonDane) 7. 07:18 AM - Re: Re: Tail Dragger Towbar Question (John Danielson) 8. 07:21 AM - Re: Tail Dragger Towbar Question (Tim Bryan) 9. 07:34 AM - Re: Tail Dragger Towbar Question (Tim Bryan) 10. 08:33 AM - Re: Test 2 (Tom Gummo) 11. 08:34 AM - Re: MT-Prop Governor (Ron Lee) 12. 09:19 AM - Re: MT-Prop Governor (Fiveonepw@aol.com) 13. 11:40 AM - Re: MT-Prop Governor (Dave Mader) 14. 11:48 AM - Fw: Tail Wind Project For sale (Ed Anderson) 15. 12:00 PM - Re: MT-Prop Governor (Randy Lervold) 16. 01:10 PM - prop governor (Brian Kraut) 17. 01:32 PM - Re: Tail Dragger Towbar Question (George P. Tyler) 18. 01:39 PM - Re: O-320 (Scott Gesele) 19. 02:54 PM - Re: Fw: Tail Wind Project For sale (Sam Buchanan) 20. 02:59 PM - Re: Fw: Tail Wind Project For sale (Konrad L. Werner) 21. 03:10 PM - good warning label. (Don Hall) 22. 03:19 PM - Re: Fw: Tail Wind Project For sale (Sam Buchanan) 23. 03:20 PM - Re: good warning label. (Konrad L. Werner) 24. 03:42 PM - Re: Fw: Tail Wind Project For sale (Konrad L. Werner) 25. 03:49 PM - Re: good warning label. (Paul Besing) 26. 04:01 PM - Re: good warning label (Konrad L. Werner) 27. 04:40 PM - Re: Fw: Tail Wind Project For sale (Sam Buchanan) 28. 04:41 PM - Re: Fw: Tail Wind Project For sale (Ed Anderson) 29. 05:00 PM - Re: Fw: Tail Wind Project For sale (Ed Anderson) 30. 05:24 PM - Re: good warning label (Russ & Marilyn) 31. 05:28 PM - Re: MT-Prop Governor (Bobby Hester) 32. 08:18 PM - Re: MT-Prop Governor (Don Vs) 33. 08:44 PM - Re: MT-Prop Governor (Don Vs) 34. 09:06 PM - Re: MT-Prop Governor (Fiveonepw@aol.com) 35. 09:31 PM - Re: MT-Prop Governor (Fiveonepw@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:11:30 AM PST US From: Jeff Point Subject: Re: RV-List: Tail Dragger Towbar Question 2nd what Kyle said about the Deluxe Cessna Towbar. Wag Aero also sells a similar which I have (since Wag is in my back yard.) As Kyle said, a little tweaking of the cotter pin is in order. Also, I reamed out the lugs on the towbar ever so slightly and that helps. I also used a slightly longer bolt for the tailwheel and put a few washers under each side. This gives the towbar some more "meat" to grab onto, but it probably cost me .001 knot. I forget the exact bolt size but it was about 1/2 inch longer than standard. Jeff Point RV-6 flying RV-8 tail done Milwaukee > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:15:59 AM PST US From: RV6 Flyer Subject: RE: RV-List: Tail Dragger Towbar Question After 10-years of flying my RV, I use the built in towbar (horizontal stab) to move the airplane were ever it needs to go. It is already part of the airplane, does not increase empty weight of the airplane, and did not cost any extra money. Gary A. Sobek "My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell, 2,0638 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA > Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 20:48:43 -0500 > From: rveighta@earthlink.net > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: Tail Dragger Towbar Question > > > I'm getting to the point with my RV-8 where I am going to need a towbar t o maneuver the plane in and out of my hangar, and I need some advice on wha t type of towbar works well at a reasonable price (ACS has 'em starting at $159 for the "Taildragger Dragger" and upwards). > > Sure would appreciate your input............ > > Thanks, > > Walt Shipley RV8A 300 hrs, RV8 gettin' close to flyin' > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > _________________________________________________________________ i=92m is proud to present Cause Effect, a series about real people making a difference. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:52:25 AM PST US From: "Ron Schreck" Subject: RV-List: Re: Tail Dragger Towbar Question Walt, I made my own tow bar. It cost me nothing because I had the materials at hand. It is light; less than 3 ounces. It folds to an overall length of 4 inches, so I take it with me with no problems. It is a rope with a 1-inch diameter dowel used for a handle. Slip it around the vertical shaft of the tailwheel and the plane will follow you wherever you pull it. I'm not trying to by cute. IMHO money spent on a towbar for a tail dragger is wasted. Ron Schreck RV-8 "Miss Izzy" Gold Hill Airpark, NC *************************************************************** I'm getting to the point with my RV-8 where I am going to need a towbar to maneuver the plane in and out of my hangar, and I need some advice on what type of towbar works well at a reasonable price (ACS has 'em starting at $159 for the "Taildragger Dragger" and upwards). Sure would appreciate your input............ Thanks, Walt Shipley RV8A 300 hrs, RV8 gettin' close to flyin' ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:06:48 AM PST US From: Sam Buchanan Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Tail Dragger Towbar Question Ron Schreck wrote: > Walt, I made my own tow bar. It cost me nothing because I had the > materials at hand. It is light; less than 3 ounces. It folds to an > overall length of 4 inches, so I take it with me with no problems. > It is a rope with a 1-inch diameter dowel used for a handle. Slip it > around the vertical shaft of the tailwheel and the plane will follow > you wherever you pull it. > > I'm not trying to by cute. IMHO money spent on a towbar for a tail > dragger is wasted. The rope works great....unless you want to *push* the plane with the "towbar". :-) With my hangar situation it is easiest to manage the plane with the towbar both coming and going while maneuvering around my hangarmate's RV-6A. The Cessna bar has worked great for eight years: http://thervjournal.com/airport.html#towbar Sam Buchanan ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:15:30 AM PST US From: Paul Besing Subject: Re: RV-List: Tail Dragger Towbar Question Why do you need a towbar? If you have a full swivel tailwheel (all of them do nowadays, but I just recently had to upgrade mine to the Bell tailwheel fork) just push on the horizontal and vertical stab and she'll move anywhere you want to go. Paul Besing RV-4 N73DD Arizona ----- Original Message ---- From: rveighta Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 6:48:43 PM Subject: RV-List: Tail Dragger Towbar Question I'm getting to the point with my RV-8 where I am going to need a towbar to maneuver the plane in and out of my hangar, and I need some advice on what type of towbar works well at a reasonable price (ACS has 'em starting at $159 for the "Taildragger Dragger" and upwards). Sure would appreciate your input............ Thanks, Walt Shipley RV8A 300 hrs, RV8 gettin' close to flyin' Looking for last minute shopping deals? ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:04:03 AM PST US From: Bill VonDane Subject: RV-List: King A&P Mechanics Exam Courses Anyone have the King A&P Mechanics Exam Courses DVDs they are willing to part with? ...or anything similar? Please contact me off list... -Bill VonDane bill@vondane.com 719-266-2388 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:18:14 AM PST US From: "John Danielson" Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: Tail Dragger Towbar Question I made up the same thing Ron. It works as well as any towbar I have ever used. Plus I always have it with me in the plane. John L. Danielson -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Schreck Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 6:51 AM Subject: RV-List: Re: Tail Dragger Towbar Question Walt, I made my own tow bar. It cost me nothing because I had the materials at hand. It is light; less than 3 ounces. It folds to an overall length of 4 inches, so I take it with me with no problems. It is a rope with a 1-inch diameter dowel used for a handle. Slip it around the vertical shaft of the tailwheel and the plane will follow you wherever you pull it. I'm not trying to by cute. IMHO money spent on a towbar for a tail dragger is wasted. Ron Schreck RV-8 "Miss Izzy" Gold Hill Airpark, NC *************************************************************** I'm getting to the point with my RV-8 where I am going to need a towbar to maneuver the plane in and out of my hangar, and I need some advice on what type of towbar works well at a reasonable price (ACS has 'em starting at $159 for the "Taildragger Dragger" and upwards). Sure would appreciate your input............ Thanks, Walt Shipley RV8A 300 hrs, RV8 gettin' close to flyin' ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:21:44 AM PST US From: "Tim Bryan" Subject: RE: RV-List: Tail Dragger Towbar Question Agreed the Tail Dragger Dragger might work ok on asphalt but it does not work well on grass. Here is my experience with it. I have to push the dragger up under the belly by going quite a bit up forward else the wheel doesn't fit under the back of my -6. Then pull it back to get it to the tail wheel and it wont really just slide to get the tailwheel between the pins so usually I end up picking up the plane slightly to set it on the dragger. Hard to do with only two hands. Then when I try to pull it backwards on the grass the wheel tends to want to turn in the saddle. This is especially true if you need to turn the dragger to position the plane differently. Once the wheel turns in the saddle, it will pop off the dragger and be a bad thing. To fix this I use a bungy cord to wrap around the wheel and the dragger and hook it to the pins. Well you can't just go under the dragger with the bungy so again you have to lift up on the handle while stretching the bungy under the bar so you can bring it over the top of the wheel again to hook it. Overall I have deemed it next to useless for my needs and would be willing to sell it to someone with asphalt only needs. Personally I wouldn't buy one again even if I was on asphalt. An engineer friend here on the airpark designed a simple and easy to use with positive connection for his Sonex. After seeing how easy it was it looked to me like it would work for my RV. He has redesigned a version for me and this works about as perfect as it could. Now I just walk this back up to the rear of the tail wheel and tip the handle up and push it in. Once under the wheel bolt, let the handle down and you have a positive lock on the wheel and it will NOT turn out, pop off or even require me to get down and screw around with it. I love it and am absolutely willing to share the design. Problem is you have to build it. If anyone is interested, just email me and I will scan the detail drawings in so you can see for yourself. Tim _____ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rv6n@optonline.net Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 8:38 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Tail Dragger Towbar Question Walt, I use the tail dragger dragger and it works fine on concrete and asphalt but I don't think the wheels are large enough for use on grass. Bob Bales RV6 ----- Original Message ----- From: rveighta Subject: RV-List: Tail Dragger Towbar Question > > I'm getting to the point with my RV-8 where I am going to need a > towbar to maneuver the plane in and out of my hangar, and I need > some advice on what type of towbar works well at a reasonable > price (ACS has 'em starting at $159 for the "Taildragger > Dragger" and upwards). > > Sure would appreciate your input............ > > Thanks, > > Walt Shipley RV8A 300 hrs, RV8 gettin' close to flyin' > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:34:41 AM PST US From: "Tim Bryan" Subject: RE: RV-List: Tail Dragger Towbar Question Here is page one for viewing. If you are interested in building this just ask me off line and I will send the other two detail drawings. Tim _____ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Bryan Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 9:21 AM Subject: RE: RV-List: Tail Dragger Towbar Question Agreed the Tail Dragger Dragger might work ok on asphalt but it does not work well on grass. Here is my experience with it. I have to push the dragger up under the belly by going quite a bit up forward else the wheel doesn't fit under the back of my -6. Then pull it back to get it to the tail wheel and it wont really just slide to get the tailwheel between the pins so usually I end up picking up the plane slightly to set it on the dragger. Hard to do with only two hands. Then when I try to pull it backwards on the grass the wheel tends to want to turn in the saddle. This is especially true if you need to turn the dragger to position the plane differently. Once the wheel turns in the saddle, it will pop off the dragger and be a bad thing. To fix this I use a bungy cord to wrap around the wheel and the dragger and hook it to the pins. Well you can't just go under the dragger with the bungy so again you have to lift up on the handle while stretching the bungy under the bar so you can bring it over the top of the wheel again to hook it. Overall I have deemed it next to useless for my needs and would be willing to sell it to someone with asphalt only needs. Personally I wouldn't buy one again even if I was on asphalt. An engineer friend here on the airpark designed a simple and easy to use with positive connection for his Sonex. After seeing how easy it was it looked to me like it would work for my RV. He has redesigned a version for me and this works about as perfect as it could. Now I just walk this back up to the rear of the tail wheel and tip the handle up and push it in. Once under the wheel bolt, let the handle down and you have a positive lock on the wheel and it will NOT turn out, pop off or even require me to get down and screw around with it. I love it and am absolutely willing to share the design. Problem is you have to build it. If anyone is interested, just email me and I will scan the detail drawings in so you can see for yourself. Tim _____ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rv6n@optonline.net Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 8:38 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Tail Dragger Towbar Question Walt, I use the tail dragger dragger and it works fine on concrete and asphalt but I don't think the wheels are large enough for use on grass. Bob Bales RV6 ----- Original Message ----- From: rveighta Subject: RV-List: Tail Dragger Towbar Question > > I'm getting to the point with my RV-8 where I am going to need a > towbar to maneuver the plane in and out of my hangar, and I need > some advice on what type of towbar works well at a reasonable > price (ACS has 'em starting at $159 for the "Taildragger > Dragger" and upwards). > > Sure would appreciate your input............ > > Thanks, > > Walt Shipley RV8A 300 hrs, RV8 gettin' close to flyin' > > ========== > ========== > ========== > ========== > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:33:40 AM PST US From: "Tom Gummo" Subject: Re: RV-List: Test 2 Anyway, Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, Happy New Year, etc. (I am not PC so don't know all the proper things to say, so add your own Seasons Greetings). Off to see Grandkids, so out of the loop for the next two weeks. Thanks to the TROOPS. Tom "GummiBear" Gummo Wild Weasel #1573 Major, USAF Retired http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html N561FS, Harmon Rocket II, 300+ hours - large smile on my face. Apple Valley, CA Harmon Rocket-II do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Konrad L. Werner To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 12:31 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Test 2 Tom, How could you pass if you didn't study for it...? ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Gummo To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 12:39 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Test 2 did I pass?? Tom Gummo Apple Valley, CA Harmon Rocket-II do not archive http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: John Jessen To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 9:02 AM Subject: RV-List: Test 2 Test 2 do not archive href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?RV-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?RV-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:34:26 AM PST US From: "Ron Lee" Subject: Re: RV-List: MT-Prop Governor Be careful doing a full power static runup with a taildragger? Can you say nose over? Please provide accepted methods of securing the plane so that a nose over does not happen. Ron Lee ----- Original Message ----- From: Fiveonepw@aol.com To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 10:33 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: MT-Prop Governor In a message dated 12/18/2007 1:41:31 PM Central Standard Time, randy@romeolima.com writes: The way to test it is to do a static full power run-up. The prop should not turn more than around 2625 rpm, 2640 tops. >>> Hi Randy- it would hit just over 2600 whilst dragging the plane across the run-up area, brakes locked. Max climbout rpm would be in the area you mentioned. Mark p.s.- be careful doing this without a sissy wheel! 8-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- See AOL's top rated recipes and easy ways to stay in shape for winter. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:19:10 AM PST US From: Fiveonepw@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: MT-Prop Governor In a message dated 12/19/2007 10:37:14 AM Central Standard Time, ronlee@pcisys.net writes: Please provide accepted methods of securing the plane so that a nose over does not happen. Can you say "tailhook"? 8-) Mark do not archive **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:40:35 AM PST US From: "Dave Mader" Subject: RE: RV-List: MT-Prop Governor Youbetcha! _____ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fiveonepw@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 10:17 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: MT-Prop Governor In a message dated 12/19/2007 10:37:14 AM Central Standard Time, ronlee@pcisys.net writes: Please provide accepted methods of securing the plane so that a nose over does not happen. Can you say "tailhook"? 8-) Mark do not archive _____ See AOL's top rated recipes and easy ways to stay in shape for winter. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:48:28 AM PST US From: "Ed Anderson" Subject: RV-List: Fw: Tail Wind Project For sale On the way back from a trip to Louisiana, I landed at Walker County Airport (KJFX) Alabama to refuel. While refueling a gentleman came over and introduced himself as Ed Banks. Mentioned that he had an RV-6 and invited me to see it. Very nice RV with clean paint lines. While in his hangar I noticed he had a Tailwind with the wings off which he was restoring. Ed stated that he had built new wings, had a newly overhauled O-295, new Plexiglas all around and had complete the process of recovering. The cloth needs one more coat of aluminum UV blocker before applying paint. I believe he also had a new instrument panel blank. He had new lightweight fiberglass cowling components as well. Citing insufficient time to complete it, Ed would like to find a buyer for it as a project. I asked him what he wanted for the project and he quoted me an attractive price. I must admit I was tempted as I have the plans for a TailWind that I had once planned on building, but I also lack the time. So if anyone is interested or knows of a Tailwind list where someone might be interested, please contact Ed direct. His e mail is IFLYRV6N264EB@AOL.Com his cell phone is 205-522-0539 Ed Ed Anderson Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered Matthews, NC eanderson@carolina.rr.com http://www.andersonee.com http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:00:25 PM PST US From: "Randy Lervold" Subject: Re: RV-List: MT-Prop Governor Of course you'd have your tail tied down, wouldn't think of doing the test without. In fact the tail should be tied low so that the prop has a much ground clearance as possible. My bad for not mentioning that. I use a fire hydrant near my hangar and tie a short rope right at ground level. This keeps the tailwheel on the ground. Randy Lervold ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Lee To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 8:30 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: MT-Prop Governor Be careful doing a full power static runup with a taildragger? Can you say nose over? Please provide accepted methods of securing the plane so that a nose over does not happen. Ron Lee ----- Original Message ----- From: Fiveonepw@aol.com To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 10:33 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: MT-Prop Governor In a message dated 12/18/2007 1:41:31 PM Central Standard Time, randy@romeolima.com writes: The way to test it is to do a static full power run-up. The prop should not turn more than around 2625 rpm, 2640 tops. >>> Hi Randy- it would hit just over 2600 whilst dragging the plane across the run-up area, brakes locked. Max climbout rpm would be in the area you mentioned. Mark p.s.- be careful doing this without a sissy wheel! 8-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- See AOL's top rated recipes and easy ways to stay in shape for winter. href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?RV-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:10:10 PM PST US From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RV-List: prop governor Can anyone recommend a good source for an overhauled prop governor? It is for an IO-470. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:32:37 PM PST US From: "George P. Tyler" Subject: Re: RV-List: Tail Dragger Towbar Question The "Taildragger", works fine as long as you don't have to pull the plane up any significant incline. I have used the least expensive version on my -6 for over 5 years. ----- Original Message ----- From: "rveighta" Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 8:48 PM Subject: RV-List: Tail Dragger Towbar Question > > I'm getting to the point with my RV-8 where I am going to need a towbar to maneuver the plane in and out of my hangar, and I need some advice on what type of towbar works well at a reasonable price (ACS has 'em starting at $159 for the "Taildragger Dragger" and upwards). > > Sure would appreciate your input............ > > Thanks, > > Walt Shipley RV8A 300 hrs, RV8 gettin' close to flyin' > > > -- 12/18/2007 9:40 PM > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:39:48 PM PST US From: Scott Gesele Subject: Re: RV-List: O-320 > Time: 08:34:44 AM PST US > From: "Konrad L. Werner" > Subject: Re: RV-List: O-320 > > Perhaps the other reason would be *final cost*... > I'd get a bid from > each of the many engine builders and shop around for > what you really > want. I don't know what the sales tax situation is > like in L.I.,NY, but > it may even cost more in sales tax alone then what > it would cost for > getting a Bartized Lycosaurus shipped from Canada. > Aerosport Power has > certainly earned themselves a stellar reputation > (not to put down > Mattituck, PenYan, LyCon and the various many other > custom shops). Your > call, but I would simply visit Mattituck to see what > they would have in > store for you, and then compare apples to apples... > Good Luck! I vote for Mattituck. I also live on Long Island and have a flying RV-6A out of Bayport. There is a Mattituck TMX-IO-540 sitting in my garage for a project that I am helping to build. The support from Mattituck has been first rate. They offer the free engine builders class and are right in your backyard. This is a huge benefit if you need assistance or parts. You are also able to witness the test running of YOUR engine if you want. There will be no sales tax. New York State exempts airplane parts from sales tax. There was no sales tax on that 540 mentioned above. I'm sure Aerosport produces a fine engine, but they can't offer you the local support that Mattituck can provide. If you still need more inforation, then call Mahlon from Mattituck and arrange to talk to them personally. They have been known to give builders a tour of their facility upon request. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:54:29 PM PST US From: Sam Buchanan Subject: Re: RV-List: Fw: Tail Wind Project For sale Ed Anderson wrote: > > > On the way back from a trip to Louisiana, I landed at Walker County > Airport (KJFX) Alabama to refuel. While refueling a gentleman came > over and introduced himself as Ed Banks. Mentioned that he had an > RV-6 and invited me to see it. Very nice RV with clean paint lines. > While in his hangar I noticed he had a Tailwind with the wings off > which he was restoring. > > Ed stated that he had built new wings, had a newly overhauled O-295, > new Plexiglas all around and had complete the process of recovering. > The cloth needs one more coat of aluminum UV blocker before applying > paint. I believe he also had a new instrument panel blank. He had > new lightweight fiberglass cowling components as well. > > Citing insufficient time to complete it, Ed would like to find a > buyer for it as a project. I asked him what he wanted for the > project and he quoted me an attractive price. I must admit I was > tempted as I have the plans for a TailWind that I had once planned on > building, but I also lack the time. > > > So if anyone is interested or knows of a Tailwind list where someone > might be interested, please contact Ed direct. > > His e mail is IFLYRV6N264EB@AOL.Com his cell phone is 205-522-0539 I can personally vouch for Ed Banks. He is part of our Tennessee Valley RV group, an honest fellow, and whatever he tells you about the Tailwind is the way it is. Sam Buchanan ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 02:59:46 PM PST US From: "Konrad L. Werner" Subject: Re: RV-List: Fw: Tail Wind Project For sale Ed, Is this newly overhauled O-295 a mixed breed between a O-235 and a O-290? More out of curiosity then anything else, but would you mind sharing with us this attractive price you were quoted? Thanks... Konrad do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Ed Anderson To: RV-List ; rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 11:42 AM Subject: RV-List: Fw: Tail Wind Project For sale On the way back from a trip to Louisiana, I landed at Walker County Airport (KJFX) Alabama to refuel. While refueling a gentleman came over and introduced himself as Ed Banks. Mentioned that he had an RV-6 and invited me to see it. Very nice RV with clean paint lines. While in his hangar I noticed he had a Tailwind with the wings off which he was restoring. Ed stated that he had built new wings, had a newly overhauled O-295, new Plexiglas all around and had complete the process of recovering. The cloth needs one more coat of aluminum UV blocker before applying paint. I believe he also had a new instrument panel blank. He had new lightweight fiberglass cowling components as well. Citing insufficient time to complete it, Ed would like to find a buyer for it as a project. I asked him what he wanted for the project and he quoted me an attractive price. I must admit I was tempted as I have the plans for a TailWind that I had once planned on building, but I also lack the time. So if anyone is interested or knows of a Tailwind list where someone might be interested, please contact Ed direct. His e mail is IFLYRV6N264EB@AOL.Com his cell phone is 205-522-0539 Ed Ed Anderson Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered Matthews, NC eanderson@carolina.rr.com http://www.andersonee.com http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 03:10:44 PM PST US From: "Don Hall" Subject: RV-List: good warning label. Your ironic humor for today: I'm adding the matco parking brake and needed to order some shorter brake lines. Found some 20" steel braided straight an4 lines from an online auto/performance website. They came with the label: "Warning: Competition/Off Road Use Only. Not approved for highway use." Hmmm. Well. I do hope to go "off road", so I'm thinking I should be good. ****************************************** Don Hall N517DG (registered) rv7 finishing ****************************************** ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:19:21 PM PST US From: Sam Buchanan Subject: Re: RV-List: Fw: Tail Wind Project For sale Konrad L. Werner wrote: > Ed, Is this newly overhauled O-295 a mixed breed between a O-235 and > a O-290? More out of curiosity then anything else, but would you > mind sharing with us this attractive price you were quoted? Thanks... Wouldn't it be much better to contact Ed Banks. the Tailwind owner, directly for this information? Sam Buchanan ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:20:01 PM PST US From: "Konrad L. Werner" Subject: Re: RV-List: good warning label. Don, You should be fine (as long as the hose material is compatible with the brake fluid). Just don't ever land on a highway, not even in an emergency, as you would be violating the hose's approval!!! do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Hall To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 4:09 PM Subject: RV-List: good warning label. Your ironic humor for today: I'm adding the matco parking brake and needed to order some shorter brake lines. Found some 20" steel braided straight an4 lines from an online auto/performance website. They came with the label: "Warning: Competition/Off Road Use Only. Not approved for highway use." Hmmm. Well. I do hope to go "off road", so I'm thinking I should be good. ****************************************** Don Hall N517DG (registered) rv7 finishing ****************************************** ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 03:42:34 PM PST US From: "Konrad L. Werner" Subject: Re: RV-List: Fw: Tail Wind Project For sale Sam, Wouldn't the absence of all information limit this gentlemen's projects exposure, thereby greatly affecting its marketability, as well as hindering a potential sale ?? I'd rather put all the information out there and then get call's only from interested parties ( even they do take a great deal of weeding out qualified buyers) Just my $0.02 on sales technique do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Sam Buchanan To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 4:18 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Fw: Tail Wind Project For sale Konrad L. Werner wrote: > Ed, Is this newly overhauled O-295 a mixed breed between a O-235 and > a O-290? More out of curiosity then anything else, but would you > mind sharing with us this attractive price you were quoted? Thanks... Wouldn't it be much better to contact Ed Banks. the Tailwind owner, directly for this information? Sam Buchanan ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 03:49:23 PM PST US From: Paul Besing Subject: Re: RV-List: good warning label. Go to the speedshop and tell them it's for an airplane and look stupid and ask for advice...they'll push you out the door and lock it and tell you to never come back... Paul Besing ----- Original Message ---- From: Konrad L. Werner Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 4:19:17 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: good warning label. Don, You should be fine (as long as the hose material is compatible with the brake fluid). Just don't ever land on a highway, not even in an emergency, as you would be violating the hose's approval!!! do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Hall To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 4:09 PM Subject: RV-List: good warning label. Your ironic humor for today: I'm adding the matco parking brake and needed to order some shorter brake lines. Found some 20" steel braided straight an4 lines from an online auto/performance website. They came with the label: "Warning: Competition/Off Road Use Only. Not approved for highway use." Hmmm. Well. I do hope to go "off road", so I'm thinking I should be good. ****************************************** Don Hall N517DG (registered) rv7 finishing ****************************************** href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 04:01:40 PM PST US From: "Konrad L. Werner" Subject: Re: RV-List: good warning label Paul, Being that straight forward would definitely defeat the purpose, now wouldn't it? It is not what you say, but how you say it: I would try "I need custom brake lines for an off road-RV" certainly wouldn't even be considered lying... do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Besing To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 4:48 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: good warning label. Go to the speedshop and tell them it's for an airplane and look stupid and ask for advice...they'll push you out the door and lock it and tell you to never come back... Paul Besing ----- Original Message ---- From: Konrad L. Werner To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 4:19:17 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: good warning label. Don, You should be fine (as long as the hose material is compatible with the brake fluid). Just don't ever land on a highway, not even in an emergency, as you would be violating the hose's approval!!! do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Hall To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 4:09 PM Subject: RV-List: good warning label. Your ironic humor for today: I'm adding the matco parking brake and needed to order some shorter brake lines. Found some 20" steel braided straight an4 lines from an online auto/performance website. They came with the label: "Warning: Competition/Off Road Use Only. Not approved for highway use." Hmmm. Well. I do hope to go "off road", so I'm thinking I should be good. ****************************************** Don Hall N517DG (registered) rv7 finishing ****************************************** href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?RV-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.m atronics.com ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 04:40:41 PM PST US From: Sam Buchanan Subject: Re: RV-List: Fw: Tail Wind Project For sale Konrad L. Werner wrote: > Sam, Wouldn't the absence of all information limit this gentlemen's > projects exposure, thereby greatly affecting its marketability, as > well as hindering a potential sale ?? I'd rather put all the > information out there and then get call's only from interested > parties ( even they do take a great deal of weeding out qualified > buyers) Konrad, I guess if the plane for sale was mine, I would want interested parties to get detailed, first-hand, totally accurate info straight from me instead of from someone whom I happened to meet on an airport ramp.... Ed Anderson provided Mr. Banks' contact info, I suspect in order to encourage interested folks to contact the seller directly. But if Ed Anderson wishes to answer your inquiry, I'm sure he will. I'm done. :-) Sam Buchanan ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 04:41:04 PM PST US From: "Ed Anderson" Subject: Re: RV-List: Fw: Tail Wind Project For sale Hi Konrad, I really don't know anything more about the engine - I fly behind a Mazda Rotary so the Lycomings other than the 320 and 360 series are a mystery. I could have had a memory slip and gotten the engine designation wrong. As far as the price, I would feel better if you got that from Ed Banks himself. He struck me as a straight dealer and the suitability of price is, of course, in the eye of the guy holding the greenbacks {:>). Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: Konrad L. Werner To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 5:58 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Fw: Tail Wind Project For sale Ed, Is this newly overhauled O-295 a mixed breed between a O-235 and a O-290? More out of curiosity then anything else, but would you mind sharing with us this attractive price you were quoted? Thanks... Konrad do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Ed Anderson To: RV-List ; rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 11:42 AM Subject: RV-List: Fw: Tail Wind Project For sale On the way back from a trip to Louisiana, I landed at Walker County Airport (KJFX) Alabama to refuel. While refueling a gentleman came over and introduced himself as Ed Banks. Mentioned that he had an RV-6 and invited me to see it. Very nice RV with clean paint lines. While in his hangar I noticed he had a Tailwind with the wings off which he was restoring. Ed stated that he had built new wings, had a newly overhauled O-295, new Plexiglas all around and had complete the process of recovering. The cloth needs one more coat of aluminum UV blocker before applying paint. I believe he also had a new instrument panel blank. He had new lightweight fiberglass cowling components as well. Citing insufficient time to complete it, Ed would like to find a buyer for it as a project. I asked him what he wanted for the project and he quoted me an attractive price. I must admit I was tempted as I have the plans for a TailWind that I had once planned on building, but I also lack the time. So if anyone is interested or knows of a Tailwind list where someone might be interested, please contact Ed direct. His e mail is IFLYRV6N264EB@AOL.Com his cell phone is 205-522-0539 Ed Ed Anderson Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered Matthews, NC eanderson@carolina.rr.com http://www.andersonee.com http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?RV-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 05:00:38 PM PST US From: "Ed Anderson" Subject: Re: RV-List: Fw: Tail Wind Project For sale > Konrad, I guess if the plane for sale was mine, I would want interested > parties to get detailed, first-hand, totally accurate info straight from > me instead of from someone whom I happened to meet on an airport ramp.... > > Ed Anderson provided Mr. Banks' contact info, I suspect in order to > encourage interested folks to contact the seller directly. But if Ed > Anderson wishes to answer your inquiry, I'm sure he will. > > I'm done. :-) > > Sam Buchanan Actually, Ed Banks did not ask me to spread the word. When I found out he was interested in selling his project, I volunteered to distribute the news. Not only to the RV list (which might know of someone interested), but also to the TailWind list. I thought I would be simply helping someone get rid of a project they did not have time for and to help someone looking for a reasonable way to get airborne. I get no $$ out of it. Don't know about Ed Banks, but some folks just don't feel comfortable trying to use a computer. I'm not the broker {:>), just the messenger - please don't shoot {:>) Ed ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 05:24:30 PM PST US From: "Russ & Marilyn" Subject: Re: RV-List: good warning label Tell them it's for a snow blower. ----- Original Message ----- From: Konrad L. Werner To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 7:00 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: good warning label Paul, Being that straight forward would definitely defeat the purpose, now wouldn't it? It is not what you say, but how you say it: I would try "I need custom brake lines for an off road-RV" certainly wouldn't even be considered lying... do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Besing To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 4:48 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: good warning label. Go to the speedshop and tell them it's for an airplane and look stupid and ask for advice...they'll push you out the door and lock it and tell you to never come back... Paul Besing ----- Original Message ---- From: Konrad L. Werner To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 4:19:17 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: good warning label. Don, You should be fine (as long as the hose material is compatible with the brake fluid). Just don't ever land on a highway, not even in an emergency, as you would be violating the hose's approval!!! do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Hall To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 4:09 PM Subject: RV-List: good warning label. Your ironic humor for today: I'm adding the matco parking brake and needed to order some shorter brake lines. Found some 20" steel braided straight an4 lines from an online auto/performance website. They came with the label: "Warning: Competition/Off Road Use Only. Not approved for highway use." Hmmm. Well. I do hope to go "off road", so I'm thinking I should be good. ****************************************** Don Hall N517DG (registered) rv7 finishing ****************************************** href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?RV-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.m atronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?RV-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 05:28:57 PM PST US From: Bobby Hester Subject: Re: RV-List: MT-Prop Governor I sent Mark a private email and I think he thought it was on the list. I am sure he wanted everyone to hear his reply :-) In a message dated 12/18/2007 8:09:13 PM Central Standard Time, bobbyhester@newwavecomm.net writes: Mark, I copied your message and posted it on VAF forums. Here is the link to the thread: http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=24754 Hi Bobby- appreciate you letting the VAF folks in on it. In their thread it was mentioned that cold oil or low ambient temps might cause this. I wrestled with this situation for almost 20 hours hoping it was just break-in on new equipment- ambient temps were anywhere from 80-45 def.F. No amount of cycling helped and neither did taking off again immediately after landing, even TAGs. MT replaced several main components in the unit to fix the problem, admitting the earlier units hadn't quite been as good as they were expecting. But let me re-iterate here that they willingly updated the unit with excellent turn-around time, and the returned unit works very well after about 4 hours additional flight time. My main beef was not knowing about this "known" condition prior to initial installation and flight testing... Mark ------------------------------------------------------------------------ See AOL's top rated recipes and easy ways to stay in shape for winter. -- ---- Surfing the web from Hopkinsville, KY Visit my flying RV7A web page: http://home.newwavecomm.net/bobbyhester/MyFlyingRV7A.htm ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 08:18:19 PM PST US From: "Don Vs" Subject: RE: RV-List: MT-Prop Governor Dumb question. This thread listed the prop as a BA. Is this a pure Govenor problem that should show up regardless of the prop used? -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bobby Hester Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 5:27 PM To: rv-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: RV-List: MT-Prop Governor I sent Mark a private email and I think he thought it was on the list. I am sure he wanted everyone to hear his reply :-) In a message dated 12/18/2007 8:09:13 PM Central Standard Time, bobbyhester@newwavecomm.net writes: Mark, I copied your message and posted it on VAF forums. Here is the link to the thread: http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=24754 Hi Bobby- appreciate you letting the VAF folks in on it. In their thread it was mentioned that cold oil or low ambient temps might cause this. I wrestled with this situation for almost 20 hours hoping it was just break-in on new equipment- ambient temps were anywhere from 80-45 def.F. No amount of cycling helped and neither did taking off again immediately after landing, even TAGs. MT replaced several main components in the unit to fix the problem, admitting the earlier units hadn't quite been as good as they were expecting. But let me re-iterate here that they willingly updated the unit with excellent turn-around time, and the returned unit works very well after about 4 hours additional flight time. My main beef was not knowing about this "known" condition prior to initial installation and flight testing... Mark ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- See AOL's top rated recipes and easy ways to stay in shape for winter. -- ---- Surfing the web from Hopkinsville, KY Visit my flying RV7A web page: http://home.newwavecomm.net/bobbyhester/MyFlyingRV7A.htm ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 08:44:51 PM PST US From: "Don Vs" Subject: RE: RV-List: MT-Prop Governor Make that regardless of the CS prop used. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Don Vs Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 8:16 PM To: rv-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: RV-List: MT-Prop Governor Dumb question. This thread listed the prop as a BA. Is this a pure Govenor problem that should show up regardless of the prop used? -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bobby Hester Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 5:27 PM To: rv-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: RV-List: MT-Prop Governor I sent Mark a private email and I think he thought it was on the list. I am sure he wanted everyone to hear his reply :-) In a message dated 12/18/2007 8:09:13 PM Central Standard Time, bobbyhester@newwavecomm.net writes: Mark, I copied your message and posted it on VAF forums. Here is the link to the thread: http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=24754 Hi Bobby- appreciate you letting the VAF folks in on it. In their thread it was mentioned that cold oil or low ambient temps might cause this. I wrestled with this situation for almost 20 hours hoping it was just break-in on new equipment- ambient temps were anywhere from 80-45 def.F. No amount of cycling helped and neither did taking off again immediately after landing, even TAGs. MT replaced several main components in the unit to fix the problem, admitting the earlier units hadn't quite been as good as they were expecting. But let me re-iterate here that they willingly updated the unit with excellent turn-around time, and the returned unit works very well after about 4 hours additional flight time. My main beef was not knowing about this "known" condition prior to initial installation and flight testing... Mark ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- See AOL's top rated recipes and easy ways to stay in shape for winter. -- ---- Surfing the web from Hopkinsville, KY Visit my flying RV7A web page: http://home.newwavecomm.net/bobbyhester/MyFlyingRV7A.htm href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/Naviga tor?RV-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 09:06:44 PM PST US From: Fiveonepw@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: MT-Prop Governor In a message dated 12/19/2007 7:30:38 PM Central Standard Time, bobbyhester@newwavecomm.net writes: I sent Mark a private email and I think he thought it was on the list. I am sure he wanted everyone to hear his reply :-) Yep! (doh!) Thanks, Bobby- do not archive **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 09:31:22 PM PST US From: Fiveonepw@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: MT-Prop Governor In a message dated 12/19/2007 10:21:08 PM Central Standard Time, dsvs@ca.rr.com writes: Dumb question. This thread listed the prop as a BA. Is this a pure Govenor problem that should show up regardless of the prop used? >>> I don't know if it is a result of this governor in combination with any specific prop- MT may be best equipped to answer that... _http://www.mt-propellerusa.com/contact.htm_ (http://www.mt-propellerusa.com/contact.htm) Mark **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.