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1. 02:33 AM - Re: good warning label (Paul Besing)
2. 03:59 AM - Re: good warning label - Baker Precesion (Jerry Calvert)
3. 05:36 AM - Re: cutting off the sticks (Ed Anderson)
4. 05:47 AM - Brake lines and Hydrauli fire (Ed Anderson)
5. 06:47 AM - Re: Hydraulic lines, was good warning label (glen matejcek)
6. 07:52 AM - good warning label (jhstarn@verizon.net)
7. 08:22 AM - Re: good warning label (mike humphrey)
8. 08:57 AM - Aircraft Painting; Central Florida (Bert Murillo)
9. 09:12 AM - Re: Re: Hydraulic lines, was good warning label (Steven Eberhart)
10. 10:06 AM - Re: Hydraulic lines, was good warning label ()
11. 10:20 AM - BMA engine pod for sale (N395V)
12. 10:36 AM - Re: Re: Hydraulic lines, was good warning label (Mark Grieve)
13. 03:14 PM - Re: good warning label (Carl Bell)
14. 03:24 PM - Re: Aircraft Painting; Central Florida (Carl Bell)
15. 04:25 PM - Re: Aircraft Painting (Dale Ensing)
16. 06:11 PM - Re: cutting off the sticks (linn Walters)
17. 06:21 PM - Re: Brake lines and Hydrauli fire (linn Walters)
18. 06:46 PM - Re: My losing fight with a prop (Dale Walter)
19. 07:12 PM - Re: good warning label (Vanremog@aol.com)
20. 07:12 PM - Re: Brake lines and Hydrauli fire (Vanremog@aol.com)
21. 09:28 PM - Re: cutting off the sticks (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: good warning label |
AN Fittings are 37 degrees.
Paul Besing
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From: mike humphrey <mike109g6@insideconnect.net>
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 9:51:45 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: good warning label
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Jim,
To make your own brake hoses is really no big
deal. ANY fitting that says 'AN' is an acceptable fitting. 'AN' is a
standardized mil-spec terminology= ArmyNavy. Any auto shop can make you
brake lines. As mentioned - you must use 45 degree flaring tools -not
automotive 37 degree. If it is 'AN' fitting, it is 45 degree. Go to
www.summitracing.com or www.jegs.com and they have pages upon pages of
fittings and different types of hoses. It took me about 2 hours to make
mine. The hardest part is figuring out the length that you need.
Steel braided Stratoflex hose is by far the superior type of hose. You can
find Aeroquip fittings at those two sites as well. I prefer Russell.
Same fittings, less $. Of course you only have to worry about flaring with
hard lines-not hoses. And to answer your next question-yes, they have
fittings that are combinations AN/NPT to fit your parking brake
or reservoir.
Hope that this helped,
Mike H 9A/8A
----- Original Message -----
From:
Jim Fogarty at Lakes
& Leisure Realty
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 11:34
AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: good warning
label
Don,
How about the fittings are they standard AN4
fittings that would be compatible to our fittings?
You have the hoses in your shop, do they fit okay on the brake fittings?
Do you think it would be a good place to order our brake hoses through and how
was their service and turn around time?
Do you have a link to the shop you are
working with?
Jim
RV9 Builder
----- Original Message -----
From:
Russ &
Marilyn
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 7:23
PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: good warning
label
Tell them it's for a snow blower.
----- Original Message -----
From:
Konrad L.
Werner
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007
7:00 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: good warning
label
Paul,
Being that straight
forward would definitely defeat the purpose, now wouldn't it?
It is not what you say, but
how you say it: I would try
"I need custom brake lines for an off road-RV"
certainly wouldn't even be considered lying...
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From:
Paul
Besing
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007
4:48 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: good warning
label.
Go
to the speedshop and tell them it's for an airplane and look stupid and
ask for advice...they'll push you out the door and lock it and
tell you to never come back...
Paul Besing
-----
Original Message ----
From: Konrad L. Werner <klwerner@comcast.net>
rv-list@matronics.com
Sent:
Wednesday, December 19, 2007 4:19:17 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: good
warning label.
Don,
You should be fine (as
long as the hose material is compatible with the brake fluid).
Just don't ever land
on a highway, not even in an emergency, as you would
be violating the hose's approval!!!
do not archive
-----
Original Message -----
From:
Don Hall
To:
rv-list@matronics.com
Sent:
Wednesday, December 19, 2007 4:09 PM
Subject:
RV-List: good warning label.
Your
ironic humor for today:
I'm adding
the matco parking brake and needed to order some shorter brake
lines. Found some 20" steel braided straight an4 lines from an
online auto/performance website.
They came
with the label: "Warning: Competition/Off Road Use Only.
Not approved for highway use."
Hmmm. Well. I do hope to go "off road", so I'm thinking
I should be good.
******************************************
Don
Hall
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(registered)
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finishing
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| Subject: | Re: good warning label - Baker Precesion |
http://bakerprecision.com/aqp9.htm
I used steel braided teflon with steel fittings from Baker Precision on
all oil, gas, & brake lines(on brake pedals and a short pieces on gear
leg from aluminum line to brake caliper). Simple to make. I had them
tested to 4000 psi. No problems with them.
Jerry Calvert
RV6
N235JC
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Besing
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 4:30 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: good warning label
AN Fittings are 37 degrees.
Paul Besing
----- Original Message ----
From: mike humphrey <mike109g6@insideconnect.net>
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 9:51:45 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: good warning label
Jim,
To make your own brake hoses is really no big deal. ANY fitting that
says 'AN' is an acceptable fitting. 'AN' is a standardized mil-spec
terminology= ArmyNavy. Any auto shop can make you brake lines. As
mentioned - you must use 45 degree flaring tools -not automotive 37
degree. If it is 'AN' fitting, it is 45 degree. Go to
www.summitracing.com or www.jegs.com and they have pages upon pages of
fittings and different types of hoses. It took me about 2 hours to make
mine. The hardest part is figuring out the length that you need. Steel
braided Stratoflex hose is by far the superior type of hose. You can
find Aeroquip fittings at those two sites as well. I prefer Russell.
Same fittings, less $. Of course you only have to worry about flaring
with hard lines-not hoses. And to answer your next question-yes, they
have fittings that are combinations AN/NPT to fit your parking brake or
reservoir.
Hope that this helped,
Mike H 9A/8A
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Fogarty at Lakes & Leisure Realty
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: good warning label
Don,
How about the fittings are they standard AN4 fittings that would be
compatible to our fittings? You have the hoses in your shop, do they
fit okay on the brake fittings? Do you think it would be a good place
to order our brake hoses through and how was their service and turn
around time?
Do you have a link to the shop you are working with?
Jim
RV9 Builder
----- Original Message -----
From: Russ & Marilyn
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 7:23 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: good warning label
Tell them it's for a snow blower.
----- Original Message -----
From: Konrad L. Werner
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 7:00 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: good warning label
Paul,
Being that straight forward would definitely defeat the purpose,
now wouldn't it? It is not what you say, but how you say it: I would try
"I need custom brake lines for an off road-RV" certainly wouldn't even
be considered lying...
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Besing
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: good warning label.
Go to the speedshop and tell them it's for an airplane and
look stupid and ask for advice...they'll push you out the door and lock
it and tell you to never come back...
Paul Besing
----- Original Message ----
From: Konrad L. Werner <klwerner@comcast.net>
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 4:19:17 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: good warning label.
Don,
You should be fine (as long as the hose material is
compatible with the brake fluid). Just don't ever land on a highway,
not even in an emergency, as you would be violating the hose's
approval!!!
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Hall
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 4:09 PM
Subject: RV-List: good warning label.
Your ironic humor for today:
I'm adding the matco parking brake and needed to order some
shorter brake lines. Found some 20" steel braided straight an4 lines
from an online auto/performance website.
They came with the label: "Warning: Competition/Off Road
Use Only. Not approved for highway use."
Hmmm. Well. I do hope to go "off road", so I'm thinking I
should be good.
******************************************
Don Hall
N517DG (registered)
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| Subject: | Re: cutting off the sticks |
Hummm, I must have been supplied with a shorter stick to begin with.
I have a stick grip handle which adds approx 2" to the stick length and
have never had a problem with my hand hitting the panel even with the
stick full forward. Its close but not touching.
This in an RV-6A - I wonder if there is a difference in spacing between
stick location and panel in different models??
Ed
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From: Fiveonepw@aol.com
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 10:57 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: cutting off the sticks
In a message dated 12/20/2007 6:06:44 PM Central Standard Time,
wdleonard@gmail.com writes:
Full length stick definately got too close to the panel.
>>>
Another consideration is interference with panel controls- my DAR
would not pink me until I cut my sticks another 1/2" since the pilot
stick would touch the throttle when at idle and stick hard right, full
fwd., and the right stick could just graze the mixture control at ICO
with stick fully left/fwd. (My throttle and mixture are in a small
subpanel under the standard main panel) Even if sticks were an inch
shorter, they'd probably still be fine in my plane. No hard aero yet,
but rolls are easy with very comfortable stick loading...
See photo at: http://websites.expercraft.com/n51pw/?q=project
and
http://websites.expercraft.com/n51pw/index.php?q=log_entry&log_id=743
5 which was taken before shortening.
From The PossumWorks in TN
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| Subject: | Brake lines and Hydrauli fire |
After a ruptured aluminum brake line (after 340 hours of flying)
resulted in runway departure, a hydraulic fire which charred tire and
wheel pant - whicht fortunately did not damage the aircraft, I went
with stainless steel braided brake lines with Teflon liners
I also replace the older brake fluid with the newer MIL-PRF-83282 D
brake fluid which has a much higher flash point (around 440F). I then
replace the brake rotors with discs twice the thickness to hold down the
temps.
Believe me it is a helpless feeling to have your brake go to the floor
and find you have no effective directional control. Just had time to
get the engine shut down and used the starter to get the prop horizontal
before going into a ditch off the side of the runway. Perhaps I should
have considered ground looping - with the remaining good brake, but the
thought did not occur until afterwards.
Did I mention, its smart to carry a fire extinguisher in your cockpit?
Ed
Ed Anderson
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----- Original Message -----
From: Jerry Calvert
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 7:02 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: good warning label - Baker Precesion
http://bakerprecision.com/aqp9.htm
I used steel braided teflon with steel fittings from Baker Precision
on all oil, gas, & brake lines(on brake pedals and a short pieces on
gear leg from aluminum line to brake caliper). Simple to make. I had
them tested to 4000 psi. No problems with them.
Jerry Calvert
RV6
N235JC
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Besing
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 4:30 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: good warning label
AN Fittings are 37 degrees.
Paul Besing
----- Original Message ----
From: mike humphrey <mike109g6@insideconnect.net>
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 9:51:45 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: good warning label
Jim,
To make your own brake hoses is really no big deal. ANY fitting
that says 'AN' is an acceptable fitting. 'AN' is a standardized
mil-spec terminology= ArmyNavy. Any auto shop can make you brake
lines. As mentioned - you must use 45 degree flaring tools -not
automotive 37 degree. If it is 'AN' fitting, it is 45 degree. Go to
www.summitracing.com or www.jegs.com and they have pages upon pages of
fittings and different types of hoses. It took me about 2 hours to make
mine. The hardest part is figuring out the length that you need. Steel
braided Stratoflex hose is by far the superior type of hose. You can
find Aeroquip fittings at those two sites as well. I prefer Russell.
Same fittings, less $. Of course you only have to worry about flaring
with hard lines-not hoses. And to answer your next question-yes, they
have fittings that are combinations AN/NPT to fit your parking brake or
reservoir.
Hope that this helped,
Mike H 9A/8A
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Fogarty at Lakes & Leisure Realty
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: good warning label
Don,
How about the fittings are they standard AN4 fittings that would
be compatible to our fittings? You have the hoses in your shop, do
they fit okay on the brake fittings? Do you think it would be a good
place to order our brake hoses through and how was their service and
turn around time?
Do you have a link to the shop you are working with?
Jim
RV9 Builder
----- Original Message -----
From: Russ & Marilyn
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 7:23 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: good warning label
Tell them it's for a snow blower.
----- Original Message -----
From: Konrad L. Werner
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 7:00 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: good warning label
Paul,
Being that straight forward would definitely defeat the
purpose, now wouldn't it? It is not what you say, but how you say it: I
would try "I need custom brake lines for an off road-RV" certainly
wouldn't even be considered lying...
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Besing
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: good warning label.
Go to the speedshop and tell them it's for an airplane and
look stupid and ask for advice...they'll push you out the door and lock
it and tell you to never come back...
Paul Besing
----- Original Message ----
From: Konrad L. Werner <klwerner@comcast.net>
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 4:19:17 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: good warning label.
Don,
You should be fine (as long as the hose material is
compatible with the brake fluid). Just don't ever land on a highway,
not even in an emergency, as you would be violating the hose's
approval!!!
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Hall
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 4:09 PM
Subject: RV-List: good warning label.
Your ironic humor for today:
I'm adding the matco parking brake and needed to order
some shorter brake lines. Found some 20" steel braided straight an4
lines from an online auto/performance website.
They came with the label: "Warning: Competition/Off Road
Use Only. Not approved for highway use."
Hmmm. Well. I do hope to go "off road", so I'm thinking I
should be good.
******************************************
Don Hall
N517DG (registered)
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| Subject: | RE: Hydraulic lines, was good warning label |
Hi All-
RE: > Go to the speedshop and tell them it's for an airplane and
look
> stupid and ask for advice...they'll push you out the door and lock it
> and tell you to never come back...
I live close to gasoline alley, and have been to several speed shops there.
Earl's has some familiarity with homebuilts, and doesn't flinch in the
slightest. As they put it, nothing would give them more grief than if
their products failed during the Indy 500. Also, unlike Aeroquip, Earl's
hoses don't require any special tools to assemble. All the components are
reusable, as well. With the larger fittings (I have up to 3/4) padded or
aluminum tools would be nice, but I just used a couple layers of T shirt
material to pad my steel tools. The catalog has embedded tutorials on how
to make up assemblies from their parts. The shop also has a lot of stuff
not in the catalog, including a pretty complete line of AN hardware, SCAT,
some electrical goodies, a full line of the various grit scotch brite pads,
a big bowl of Jolly Ranchers, lots of useful knowledge and insights, and a
sense of humor. All in all, a very good place to do business.
http://www.earlsindy.com 317-241-0318
The next shop down the street, North American Race Parts, suggested I could
trailer my plane to their shop and stand there and watch as they custom
made all my oil lines to fit, and for only the cost of the parts. That
would have saved me from buying and using all the different mandrels for my
different hose sizes, but that would have meant using Aeroquip. For a
couple of reasons, I've decided not to use them.
While a lot of places absolutely will freak at the mention of aircraft
usage for their goods, Earl's isn't one of them. I can't say enough good
about the guys at Earl's Indy.
glen matejcek
aerobubba@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | good warning label |
Sorry to disagree BUT "AN" fittings are 37 degree NOT 45. Go to the www.jegs.com sited below and read what it says about the 37 degree flairing tool Jegs# 80084. 45 degree flare is used in plumbing, heating & A/C lines. Hot rod & racing use 37 degree because of aviation fitting availabilty.
KABONG
(C-20, C-36 Calif Contractor for A/C & Plumbing and HRII builder and EAA Tech Advisor
and one time Corvette racer)
>From: mike humphrey <mike109g6@insideconnect.net>
>Date: 2007/12/20 Thu PM 10:51:45 CST
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: good warning label
>Jim,To make your own brake hoses is really no big deal. ANY fitting that says 'AN' is an acceptable fitting. 'AN' is a standardized mil-spec terminology= ArmyNavy. Any auto shop can make you brake lines. As mentioned - you must use 45 degree flaring tools -not automotive 37 degree. If it is 'AN' fitting, it is 45 degree. Go to www.summitracing.com or www.jegs.com
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| Subject: | Re: good warning label |
Mea Coupa - I got it backwards. You are correct. Thanks for the correction.
Mike H
----- Original Message -----
From: <jhstarn@verizon.net>
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 10:51 AM
Subject: RV-List: good warning label
>
> Sorry to disagree BUT "AN" fittings are 37 degree NOT 45. Go to the
> www.jegs.com sited below and read what it says about the 37 degree
> flairing tool Jegs# 80084. 45 degree flare is used in plumbing, heating &
> A/C lines. Hot rod & racing use 37 degree because of aviation fitting
> availabilty.
> KABONG
> (C-20, C-36 Calif Contractor for A/C & Plumbing and HRII builder and EAA
> Tech Advisor and one time Corvette racer)
>
>
>>From: mike humphrey <mike109g6@insideconnect.net>
>>Date: 2007/12/20 Thu PM 10:51:45 CST
>>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: RV-List: good warning label
>
>>Jim,To make your own brake hoses is really no big deal. ANY fitting
>>that says 'AN' is an acceptable fitting. 'AN' is a standardized
>>mil-spec terminology= ArmyNavy. Any auto shop can make you brake
>>lines. As mentioned - you must use 45 degree flaring tools -not
>>automotive 37 degree. If it is 'AN' fitting, it is 45
>>degree. Go to www.summitracing.com or www.jegs.com
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Aircraft Painting; Central Florida |
Hello:
I have good news for all those living near Orlando. There is a new
Painting Center,
at Deland (DED) Municipal Airport.
Is called called "Dev Air Painter Center" located on the north side of the
Airport.
These young man, will have your RV ready in 10 days..If you have the Cowling
primed and ready, you can save good money..not bad...I did mine, it
takes a long time,
three coats of the stuff, and a lot of sanding...in between...
I can assure you their prices cannot be beaten around here...
These young man are very nice, Daniel, his phone 772. 501 0188 and Charles
954.592.0984. Add: 1999 Industrial Drive, Deland FL 32724
devairpainting@bellsouth.net
If you want to fly in, and talk to them and see all the nice Jets, they work
on....too.
I am at deland myself, that is why I know.. I do not have any
interest with this
company...
Bert
rv6a
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Hydraulic lines, was good warning label |
glen matejcek wrote:
> Hi All-
>
> RE: > Go to the speedshop and tell them it's for an airplane and
> look
>
>> stupid and ask for advice...they'll push you out the door and lock it
>> and tell you to never come back...
>>
[snip]
> While a lot of places absolutely will freak at the mention of aircraft
> usage for their goods, Earl's isn't one of them. I can't say enough good
> about the guys at Earl's Indy.
>
When asked the question I always tell them it is for a three wheeled off
road vehicle. No lies, only the truth.
Steve Eberhart
RV-7A, 180 HP three wheeled off road vehicle
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| Subject: | RE: Hydraulic lines, was good warning label |
We needed to replace the electrical connection point on the alternator (stripped
threads) for HRII N561FS. Took it to a local repair shop and when ask "What's
it from ?" we answered very truthfully, "It's from a homebuilt RV, We would
have brought it but it's not drivable on the road yet". 8*) KABONG
>From: Steven Eberhart <steve@newtech.com>
>Date: 2007/12/21 Fri AM 10:10:32 CST
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: RE: Hydraulic lines, was good warning label
>
>glen matejcek wrote:
>> Hi All-
>>
>> RE: > Go to the speedshop and tell them it's for an airplane and
>> look
>>
>>> stupid and ask for advice...they'll push you out the door and lock it
>>> and tell you to never come back...
>>>
>[snip]
>> While a lot of places absolutely will freak at the mention of aircraft
>> usage for their goods, Earl's isn't one of them. I can't say enough good
>> about the guys at Earl's Indy.
>>
>When asked the question I always tell them it is for a three wheeled off
>road vehicle. No lies, only the truth.
>
>Steve Eberhart
>RV-7A, 180 HP three wheeled off road vehicle
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| Subject: | BMA engine pod for sale |
Mounted in plane but never hooked up or used.
$750 Costs $995 new from Blue Mountain.
PM or E mail me or call 601-810-7401
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--------
Milt
2003 F1 Rocket
2006 Radial Rocket
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=153545#153545
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Hydraulic lines, was good warning label |
A local auto electric shop rebuilt the starter for the Cherokee that I
flew and they charged the same as if it had come off of a tractor. The
FBO takes things in there regularly.
jhstarn@verizon.net wrote:
>
> We needed to replace the electrical connection point on the alternator (stripped
threads) for HRII N561FS. Took it to a local repair shop and when ask "What's
it from ?" we answered very truthfully, "It's from a homebuilt RV, We would
have brought it but it's not drivable on the road yet". 8*) KABONG
>
>
>
>>From: Steven Eberhart <steve@newtech.com>
>>Date: 2007/12/21 Fri AM 10:10:32 CST
>>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: RV-List: RE: Hydraulic lines, was good warning label
>
>
>>
>>glen matejcek wrote:
>>
>>>Hi All-
>>>
>>>RE: > Go to the speedshop and tell them it's for an airplane and
>>>look
>>>
>>>
>>>>stupid and ask for advice...they'll push you out the door and lock it
>>>>and tell you to never come back...
>>>>
>>
>>[snip]
>>
>>>While a lot of places absolutely will freak at the mention of aircraft
>>>usage for their goods, Earl's isn't one of them. I can't say enough good
>>>about the guys at Earl's Indy.
>>>
>>
>>When asked the question I always tell them it is for a three wheeled off
>>road vehicle. No lies, only the truth.
>>
>>Steve Eberhart
>>RV-7A, 180 HP three wheeled off road vehicle
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | good warning label |
Also, AN is now Air Force-Navy standards, some bureaucrat changed it a
while back. I'm from the government and I'm here to help. EEEE gads. CJ
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of mike humphrey
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: good warning label
Mea Coupa - I got it backwards. You are correct. Thanks for the correction.
Mike H
----- Original Message -----
From: <jhstarn@verizon.net>
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 10:51 AM
Subject: RV-List: good warning label
>
> Sorry to disagree BUT "AN" fittings are 37 degree NOT 45. Go to the
> www.jegs.com sited below and read what it says about the 37 degree
> flairing tool Jegs# 80084. 45 degree flare is used in plumbing, heating &
> A/C lines. Hot rod & racing use 37 degree because of aviation fitting
> availabilty.
> KABONG
> (C-20, C-36 Calif Contractor for A/C & Plumbing and HRII builder and EAA
> Tech Advisor and one time Corvette racer)
>
>
>>From: mike humphrey <mike109g6@insideconnect.net>
>>Date: 2007/12/20 Thu PM 10:51:45 CST
>>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: RV-List: good warning label
>
>>Jim,To make your own brake hoses is really no big deal. ANY fitting
>>that says 'AN' is an acceptable fitting. 'AN' is a standardized
>>mil-spec terminology= ArmyNavy. Any auto shop can make you brake
>>lines. As mentioned - you must use 45 degree flaring tools -not
>>automotive 37 degree. If it is 'AN' fitting, it is 45
>>degree. Go to www.summitracing.com or www.jegs.com
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Aircraft Painting; Central Florida |
Bert, Can you give us some ball park costs?
Legend Air in Aiken SC does an all white RV for $4000 and a two color for
about $5000, 3 colors for about $5500. Your have to have it ready to go and
pulled apart. Otherwise he charges for AP time or body work time. If he
balances control surfaces it may be a few hundred more. He does Jets and
turbos, and uses the new SW Jet Flow paints. He etches, Alodine and sands
between coats and stands behind their work. Just an FYI. CJ
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bert Murillo
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 11:56 AM
Subject: RV-List: Aircraft Painting; Central Florida
Hello:
I have good news for all those living near Orlando. There is a new
Painting Center,
at Deland (DED) Municipal Airport.
Is called called "Dev Air Painter Center" located on the north side of
the
Airport.
These young man, will have your RV ready in 10 days..If you have the
Cowling
primed and ready, you can save good money..not bad...I did mine, it
takes a long time,
three coats of the stuff, and a lot of sanding...in between...
I can assure you their prices cannot be beaten around here...
These young man are very nice, Daniel, his phone 772. 501 0188 and Charles
954.592.0984. Add: 1999 Industrial Drive, Deland FL 32724
devairpainting@bellsouth.net
If you want to fly in, and talk to them and see all the nice Jets, they work
on....too.
I am at deland myself, that is why I know.. I do not have any
interest with this
company...
Bert
rv6a
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Painting |
Had my RV-6A painted by Legends in May. I would not/do not recommend them.
If anyone would like more details on my experience please contact me direct.
Basically, they do not understand how homebuilt airplanes are
viewed/examined up close by other builders. Also, depends on who is handling
the spray gun this week.
Dale Ensing
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carl Bell" <carlbell@gforcecable.com>
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 6:25 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Aircraft Painting; Central Florida
>
> Legend Air in Aiken SC does an all white RV for $4000 and a two color for
> about $5000, 3 colors for about $5500. Your have to have it ready to go
> and
> pulled apart. Otherwise he charges for AP time or body work time. If he
> balances control surfaces it may be a few hundred more. He does Jets and
> turbos, and uses the new SW Jet Flow paints. He etches, Alodine and sands
> between coats and stands behind their work. Just an FYI. CJ
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| Subject: | Re: cutting off the sticks |
Ed Anderson wrote:
> Hummm, I must have been supplied with a shorter stick to begin with.
We all have our cross to bear.
> I have a stick grip handle which adds approx 2" to the stick length
> and have never had a problem with my hand hitting the panel even with
> the stick full forward. Its close but not touching.
Hmmmm. Maybe I should get one of those???
> This in an RV-6A - I wonder if there is a difference in spacing
> between stick location and panel in different models??
Probably is. I'll have to try a few models to be sure.
Linn.
Sorry Ed, I just couldn't resist it. Forgive me!
do not archive
>
> Ed
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Fiveonepw@aol.com <mailto:Fiveonepw@aol.com>
> To: rv-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 10:57 PM
> Subject: Re: RV-List: cutting off the sticks
>
> In a message dated 12/20/2007 6:06:44 PM Central Standard Time,
> wdleonard@gmail.com <mailto:wdleonard@gmail.com> writes:
>
> Full length stick definately got too close to the panel.
>
> >>>
>
> Another consideration is interference with panel controls- my DAR
> would not pink me until I cut my sticks another 1/2" since the
> pilot stick would touch the throttle when at idle and stick hard
> right, full fwd., and the right stick could just graze the mixture
> control at ICO with stick fully left/fwd. (My throttle and
> mixture are in a small subpanel under the standard main panel)
> Even if sticks were an inch shorter, they'd probably still be fine
> in my plane. No hard aero yet, but rolls are easy with very
> comfortable stick loading...
>
> See photo at: http://websites.expercraft.com/n51pw/?q=project
> and
> http://websites.expercraft.com/n51pw/index.php?q=log_entry&log_id=7435
> <http://websites.expercraft.com/n51pw/index.php?q=log_entry&log_id=7435> which
> was taken before shortening.
>
> From The PossumWorks in TN
> Mark
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Brake lines and Hydrauli fire |
Ed Anderson wrote:
> After a ruptured aluminum brake line (after 340 hours of
> flying) resulted in runway departure, a hydraulic fire which charred
> tire and wheel pant - whicht fortunately did not damage the
> aircraft, I went with stainless steel braided brake lines with Teflon
> liners
Sorry ED. I'm not picking on you!!! Honest!!! :-)
Whgere did the hard line break??? At the flare??? Not uncommon.
Happened to me. My fault. Using cheap flaring tool (but an AN flare,
not a plumbers flare). Also. clamping the tubing down next to the
caliper hinders it's natural movement as the brake pads wear. another
problem area. Unfortunately, I was aware of the problem (yeah, after I
lost a brake on my Pitts but no fire or other damage besides extreme
embarrassment cause by doing pirouettes on the runway)
> I also replace the older brake fluid with the newer MIL-PRF-83282 D
> brake fluid which has a much higher flash point (around 440F). I then
> replace the brake rotors with discs twice the thickness to hold down
> the temps.
Thanks for those two tips. I wasn't aware of either. Can you give us a
part number for the thicker rotors???
> Believe me it is a helpless feeling to have your brake go to the floor
> and find you have no effective directional control.
AMEN!
> Just had time to get the engine shut down and used the starter to
> get the prop horizontal before going into a ditch off the side of the
> runway. Perhaps I should have considered ground looping - with the
> remaining good brake, but the thought did not occur until afterwards.
Hmmm. For me, I was mashing both pedals for all I was worth ..... and
it came as a surprise to me that the right one was hitting the firewall!
> Did I mention, its smart to carry a fire extinguisher in your cockpit?
Ya know, I'm rather thick headed (and oblivious to strong hints) ......
but even after two fires up front .... still don't have one. Both fires
were due to my stupidity (hope I don't make more mistakes like that) and
on the ground. Educational experiences I call 'em.
Linn
again, do not archive.
>
> Ed
>
> Ed Anderson
> Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
> Matthews, NC
> eanderson@carolina.rr.com <mailto:eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
> http://www.andersonee.com
> http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW
> http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html
>
>
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| Subject: | My losing fight with a prop |
Hi Stein,
How are you doing? Hope it is feeling much better.
Dale
RV6a
KHWO Hollywood FL
....
I'm in good spirits and thanks to the support of all my friends/customers am
doing well - just not doing much work for a few days. I'm one lucky guy,
and am NOT complaining about my sitiation at all. I'm actually really
liking everyone's sense of humor (no "1/2 off sales, no DIGITal sales, the
10% off my next manicure, etc...") jokes are helping me cope. If I didn't
laugh about this I'd cry, and since I can't undo what happened I much more
enjoy laughing than crying!
I'll post the whole thing later as I have more time and more ability to
type.
Best regards and thanks for the support,
Stein
do not archive this macabre stuff - let's save it for a "lessons learned"
post later on!
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| Subject: | Re: good warning label |
In a message dated 12/21/2007 3:16:01 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
carlbell@gforcecable.com writes:
Also, AN is now Air Force-Navy standards, some bureaucrat changed it a
while back. I'm from the government and I'm here to help. EEEE gads. CJ
================================================
Was that when they put "under god" in the pledge? ;o) EEEE gads squared!
Merry Christmas everyone!!!
Do not archive
N1GV the soaring heathen (RV-6A, Flying 872hrs, O-360-A1A, C/S, Silicon
Valley)
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| Subject: | Re: Brake lines and Hydrauli fire |
In a message dated 12/21/2007 6:22:21 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net writes:
replace the older brake fluid with the newer MIL-PRF-83282 D brake fluid
which has a much higher flash point (around 440F). I then replace the brake
rotors with discs twice the thickness to hold down the temps.
Thanks for those two tips. I wasn't aware of either.
===================================================
Search on the MIL-PRF in the archives. I tried to hip everyone to this a
couple of years back when I did the research and changed mine.
I believe that several manufacturers have recommended this change for their
fleets but suspect that the old MIL-H-5606 is just too deeply ingrained in the
FBOs for anyone to stock to the better fluid.
BTW, can the thicker Cleveland disc really fit under the old (original non
pressure recovery) wheel pants?
N1GV (RV-6A, Flying 872hrs, O-360-A1A, C/S, Silicon Valley)
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| Subject: | Re: cutting off the sticks |
In a message dated 12/21/2007 7:42:55 AM Central Standard Time,
eanderson@carolina.rr.com writes:
This in an RV-6A - I wonder if there is a difference in spacing between stick
location and panel in different models??
>>>
I'd reckon there is much more difference in which grip you stick on the
stick- each commercially available grip will require some modification to the
actual "stick" tube supplied with the kit. Infinity grips (for example) are totally
different than the CH grips I used. Bottom line is that the final
configuration is acceptable to pilot and DAR...
Mark
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